Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.

(Hall): ‘Good evening.’

I hope that you can understand me, or understanding is perhaps something else, but able to hear me, because I have lost my voice.

(Lady in the hall): ‘The cold.’

You will also get that soon, you know, madam.

You will also get a bit of a cold.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Oh no.’

I will begin immediately this evening with Mr Berends.

Let me see, what he has in his note.

Oh, what a lovely time that man had sitting reading that book.

Look, that is reading, do you see.

(Jozef begins to read): ‘‘Are you there, Frederik?’ Materially.

‘I cannot hear him.

I say: ‘Precisely, captain, it was there.

And then there were victims.’

Hans tries it once again.’

Look, Mr Berends, I will begin with page 180, I will also include your monster, but I will also tell you, that: we are busy here in a mental institution, Frederik has left his place in society and follows states; there is something to it, there is truth in it, humanity, and it can always be placed.

He says, he does that only in order to prove, for himself and for the reader, that he still has his consciousness, and can talk nonsense.

And if Hans had also done that, and Karel, if a doctor really descends into the psychiatry, into the psychology to the core, they lose this consciousness.

Science - if I may say that to you - will never make it. Because the doctor must lay foundations.

Which is possible.

By what means did the occult metaphysical world originate?

Only because Egypt, China, Japan, but especially Egypt, began with the construction of those foundations.

If you take my book ‘Between Life and Death’, then you will get a wonderful analysis.

And then you will irrevocably lose the day consciousness, but you will get something else back.

And Egypt had the consciousness completely in that state.

When I disembody, my body lies there, there is still twenty-five percent feeling in it, as apparent death, it is completely empty, and yet full, there is twenty-five percent feeling for the blood circulation, you will feel, or the heart would stand still, and remain still, and then you would instantly be out of this world.

But when Frederik descends into that - Hans does not do that - you will understand, that is the tremendous school for the human being, and Frederik wants to prove in that that he has kept his consciousness.

And if you now want to learn from this, then I will explain this to you: if you - and you experience that every day, you will read that in the magazines and in the newspapers, and something happens everywhere in the world - when the human being makes a study of life, socially, spiritually, spatially, then he must dissolve into that state.

And the geniuses, the people who experience the unity, for example, with a planet, an astronomer, they start to think and dissolve.

A professor forgets his hat, or he looks for his glasses and is wearing them, only because that man dissolves into his state.

And then you say: that’s another half-wit, isn’t it, or a forgetful professor like that, he is looking for his hat and his glasses.

But that man dissolved into his state; which I was never ever allowed to do, or I would have been gone already.

You are already irrevocably dissolved at two grades for these laws, then you mean nothing more, because in our subconscious, let me put it like this, not subconscious but unconsciousness, we must think and keep our contact with the material world.

And that is Frederik’s study.

But if you were to get to know Frederik - and you will get that at the end, in the third part - if you were already to get to know Frederik now, if you were already to know now that he is already a psychologist, and a paediatrician, then you will feel ... He stands there so awe-inspiringly strong, because he has established for himself: I will never make it like that.

And that is all in that.

And then you can, if you go into that and you sense it, you can ask those questions, and then you will really get nice answers from me, because the human, spiritual, spatial psychology lives behind that.

You can experience that unity in that.

So now we come to those sayings.

That does not mean so much to me.

But if you now categorically want to know what that all means ...

‘Frederik gives her a kiss on her lips ...’That is that nurse, isn’t it?‘ ... and the lips react, but the body cannot stir a muscle, he says, because she is immediately under hypnosis.

Does this reaction come because Frederik reveals her deeper feelings to her life?’

Sir, if the hypnotist goes into a subject, into you or into another, and he gets that under control, then your consciousness goes to sleep, your balance centre goes to sleep, your reacting has gone, and you are asleep by means of the will of another.

Well, and that girl, that nurse, she dissolved.

Frederik, the modern psychology, he does that in that way.

Modern hypnotism no longer does that like it used to: ‘You will sleep’, ‘you will do this’, and, pfft, pfft, and just blowing ...

If you have seen this week’s Vizier ... I warned you about it last week.

Two years ago they already came with the question: is hypnotism dangerous?

I say: they should kick those people off the stage.

Because in England a girl has already been unhappy for three, four months, five months, and she did not come out of it again, she became nervous, was broken, personality destroyed, everything destroyed; now there is a large trial.

They are playing with fire, they now write.

If we say it here ...

No.

Those accidents must first happen.

And now you have the proof.

When the (hypnotic) psychology occurs you have nothing more to say, and then I can waken you, or another, whatever we want.

And especially ...

Now imagine, then they put the cat among the pigeons, and all those other things, and then they go into worse things, all the things you awaken with such a thing.

That attaches itself to the life of feeling, it is a sting, and that goes deeper, and pulls up something which you still did not know a moment ago.

There is the danger.

Frederik did that without misgivings, like that by talking and talking ... I just mean to say, modern hypnotism is like that: we go through the human being like that, are unaware of what is happening, and they are already under hypnosis.

Because the life of feeling ... They send that to one point, and that is a concentration on one point, you touch feeling, you get thoughts back, there is also telepathy, and suddenly so ...

I told you, I can also do that if that is necessary.

And they wanted to have that from me once.

We went outside, and then they said: ‘You cannot do that.’

I say: ‘Oh boy, when the sleep comes, and then you can sleep so soundly, and that is so wonderful.’

Wham, he was already gone.

We let him snore two hours.

And when we were at the destination, he said: ‘Do you mean that?’

I say: ‘Do you still not know yourself that you slept in the train?’

I say: ‘Then just sleep quietly again, oh, it is wonderful, you will sleep and feel nothing, you will dream, wonderful.’

Well, off he went again.

I say: ‘Just let him sit until this evening, then we will just eat everything.’ (laughter)

And then we let him sit for four hours.

And then he wanted to eat porridge and then we had just eaten it.

I say: ‘You ate porridge in your sleep, and we let you eat steak, and you got a pickled herring and a rollmop’, just like I do at the fairground, ‘a smoked herring and a pudding.’

I say: ‘Are you not feeling sick?’

Then he said: ‘Yes, there is something here.’

I say: ‘There you are.’

That is the spiritual misery which is in that.

And we can do that.

This is why I know the grades of contact and feeling for hypnotism, because the psychic trance is exactly the same, only now it goes through the laws of Mother Nature.

And of course the nurse was under Frederik’s hypnosis, his feeling.

Hypnosis is imposing will.

That takes over you, and if you are a bit sensitive, Mr Berends, then we will also make an acrobat of you this evening.

They would like that, of course, wouldn’t they?

Or we will make him Minister of Finance, and then we will get thousand guilder notes this evening.

And then he says there ...

‘How many of them do you want?’

‘Ten.’

And then you are it, sir, because you have lost your day consciousness for that moment.

They cannot put stronger people under hypnosis.

I would like to get into contact with a man like that.

I will say: ‘Sir, just put me away.’

But then I will move to space.

But those people run up against a spiritual wall, search for that, and then you cannot hide, sir, you cannot go left, and you cannot go right, and then you are forced into a corner, and then you are sold.

But when you have space, then you go to hell or you go to heaven.

Or you go, I go and sit on the ring of Saturn, and he just lets me look there.

I take a meteor or I fly through space, I go the jungle, they are all spaces of feeling, and if he is not in control of that, then you will feel, then nothing will happen.

But an innocent nurse like that, who is not aware of anything, she walked into that, and was suddenly gone.

And then he kissed her like that, and that cost Frederik a house.

He was honest.

Because spiritual justice does not kiss just like that.

Yes, you probably do not know that.

That only applies to the gentlemen, sir.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Do the ladies not have a part in that then?’

No, because they do not do it anyway.

If we do not start it, Mr Berends, then the ladies do not react, that is logical, isn’t it?

(Jozef continues to read.) ‘Does this reaction come because Frederik revealed his deeper feelings to her?

Sir, that’s it now, what I explained to you a moment ago; you can go on with this for another hour, of course, and then you will still not know what hypnotism is.

‘Hans asks: ‘Are you there, Frederik?’

And he replies: ‘Precisely, captain’’, ... Because Hans is the captain, after all, isn’t he?

Did you see something else in that?

You must just read what it says there.

‘It was there.

And then there were victims.‘

Are they not there?

Hans is a victim.

Karel is a victim.

That nurse is a victim.

And all those people there, when Hans entered that institution, saw his own misery in those people, then he stood on his own victims.

They are all victims of society.

And then there were victims.

You see, Hans does not understand Frederik, and he does not know the laws.

And then you have to see millions of victims.

Don’t you?

Victims.

‘Hans asks again: ‘Frederik, are you there?’’

‘‘Yes, lieutenant-colonel.’’ ... He adds a little extra, because Hans is a professor doctor, and what else can you give him, you can give him everything, because he does not have it anyway.

‘‘Yes, lieutenant-colonel.’’

Now, he is just saying any old thing.

‘And then the roof collapsed.’

Then Hans collapsed.

Then his world collapsed into bits and pieces, not bits and pieces, but fragments.

I am swallowing a lot this evening, and you will just work that out next week.

(Refers to his hoarse voice.) (laughter)

‘‘The crazy people go to sleep’, Frederik says.

In his sleep Frederik sees the nurse coming to him a few times in order to look at him.’

The crazy people go to sleep.

‘When Frederik woke up, he thought that Anna was standing next to his bed and was bringing tea.

Then he had to realise that he had been admitted to a mental institution, and that he done four and a half years there.

So by means of sleep the day consciousness worked at full power.’

Do you see?

It is very simple, when he woke there in the morning, he thinks: Gosh, but where am I?

What have I done?

But do not blame me for what he got up to there.

So he thought: oh yes, I am not lying upstairs. Because he got his tea from Karel upstairs there.

And now a nurse comes, he thinks: my God ...

Oh yes, I am in the mental institution.

You see, you must realise that.

That is nothing special.

And then you ask here: ‘So because of sleep the day consciousness worked at full power.’

Do you see?

‘And then he acted like a crazy man.’

Perfectly ordinary for abnormal.

‘Frederik begins to write:

‘Yes, what does a human being think about who has gone from home, into a strange world.

I am here alone and there are masses of people around me.

The nurse from my hotel ...’’

You see, he had said to the people, to Karel, after all: ‘I will go to Switzerland.

I will write you a letter.’

Now he is beating about the bush.

Because in that train ...

He balances that like that, that he still remains with the crazy people.

He thinks: if you know later what was the matter, and what I got up to, then I can tell you that that letter is right again.

That all has no meaning, you see, they are incidental circumstances.

That is in order to fill up his character, the things he does - not that they happened - but, in order to fill up, to absorb, to explain.

He must tell it to a certain extent, because he says: ‘I will write.’

And he does it from there.

And that is perfectly ordinary.

What he writes there, also refers to his abnormal people whom he lives amongst.

And then you also write here: ‘The nurse from the hotel, where I am, I am in a rest home,’ do you see? - I searched for a rest home - sits next to me and thinks ...

She just asked me whether I am a writer.

I said: ‘Yes.’

The journey was quite difficult ...’ Well, he did not have it easy.‘ ... because there were a lot of crazy people on the train ...’, You see, Hans’ institution.‘ ... who went to Switzerland with their doctor in order to get better.’ Isn’t it nice?

Do we not also say that every day?

It is a wonderful symbolism.

It is not symbolism.

It is a wonderful, it is a great feeling and thinking of Frederik.

Because if you were to give a story like that to the newspaper, there would at least be something to it again.

Don’t you think, sir?

Then we will get laughter again, then they will say: ‘Ha, how does he get it together?’

‘In Belgium those two were in my car.

What do you think of that?

Not so pleasant, is it?

Because I am quite interested in crazy people I got to understand many masks.

There were also beautiful masks.

I am now sitting enjoying myself in nature.’

There.

‘Before me lies ...’

Oh, when that happened, at the moment that this was written, sir, that could have become fifty pages, that could have become a whole volume, if only to make comparisons from that world with society, for woman, man, government, God, Christ.

Then we would already have here - this is why, you can write fifty books from ‘Masks and Men’ - we would already have written ten books about this alone.

Only that bit, that little letter, those are a thousand pages, if he starts to make comparisons with God, Christ, Golgotha, bible, universe.

The psychologist, the doctor.

Well.

All the things that are in that.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, there is a great deal in that.’

An awful lot, sir.

Tremendous.

‘There were also beautiful masks.

I am sitting enjoying myself in nature.

Before me lies ‘Neu Karelshof’.’

That is Hans’ movement.

‘That is a great big hotel where many foreigners spend their time recovering.’

He has still got hold of the truth.

Do you see?

‘There are sick people on board.’

They must not know, for that matter, where he is.

He is categorically telling the truth.

I reread those pages, which were written that afternoon, I read them twenty times in the evening; but with Van Eeden.

We experienced that together, that whole book.

He says: ‘If they ask you something later, it is your business.’

He told me it just like that. I am only retelling what he said. He told me what he meant by that, and that went from feeling to feeling, you know.

And then I got to experience his books, while writing.

I was able to experience them with him, I was able to experience this, these three books, because I remained in my organism; he in his, here master Zelanus, and behind us master Alcar.

So four psychologists on it, on this work.

And I experienced it like this: fifty percent.

He says: fifty-fifty.

He says: ‘Oh, my God, I have begun, it is already recorded’, and master Zelanus immediately continued, didn’t he?

Master Zelanus typed, and I in him, and also Van Eeden, in one organism, in one aura, that is a space, that is a world.

We were in each other like that.

I had my eyes closed, Van Eeden had his eyes closed, and master Zelanus behind the typewriter.

And master Alcar looked like that, he was sitting above that.

And then master Zelanus began.

For that matter, everyone who comes from that world and starts to tell closes his eyes.

You reach unity.

But that Gerhard the coachman, and Theo from the Grebbe Line, oh, sir, madam, how I enjoyed myself with that, if only for that unity.

And then, when you are sucked apart after recording and experiencing their lives ...

The day, the hour, the minute comes irrevocably.

And then you get the last full stop, sir, that is simply a spiritual transfusion in which your heart, your brains, your blood and everything loses.

I get scared again at the moment if I have to write again only because of the last full stop.

I am already afraid of that.

And I get even more scared, because I live for three, four months in that world.

If I am now faced with a book of three hundred, four hundred pages, a book like that takes six weeks, then I live in that world for six weeks.

And I have talked here, I have told here - and you think: that is Jozef Rulof - I am conscious here, but then I lived in my book, because I have to go along.

So spacious.

When you have ‘Jeus III’ soon, then you will not believe it anymore anyway, but it is in that and it happened.

Then you will say: ‘My God, my God, can a human being deal with that?’

Sir and madam, you can deal with a universe, as long as you begin with the real, with the truth.

But that enjoyment with Van Eeden ...

So then he went, he began, and then those things came.

I was not allowed to say anything, he just recorded, with master Alcar, he says: ‘Then we will experience it again’, and meanwhile I saw what he meant.

I think: God, God, God, my God, how that man can think.

All the things he had brought to the world, with a play, and with a psychological work, which they kicked into the corner - and which was the greatest by him - because it was not understood again.

It was the worst, they just said.

They hissed at his play - you stand on the divine stage with him - sir, it was the greatest thing there is.

Van Eeden.

And now he comes back to the divine stage, but differently.

Still nice, if you are ‘behind the coffin’ and you want to do something for Our Lord, that you can begin again ‘behind the coffin’, and come back.

‘Do you have contact (see ‘Jeus of Mother Crisje part III, chapter: ‘1939-1945’)?’

‘Yes.’

‘With the earth?’

‘Yes, we have contact with the earth.’

‘My God, my God.’

Yes, God.

Every thought, sir and madam, which you really lay for the University of Christ, that is the Christ, that is the deity of your space in this universe, if you lay foundations for that, no one will take them away from you again.

And then you can be angry today, sir, and you break in, or you commit a murder, it all means nothing, people do not take that deed away from you, because it remains.

Then the people say: ‘Well, he did good things, and now everything is destroyed.’

Oh, sir, nonsense!

I saw the demons rising there and they suddenly got the feeling again from before - they betrayed the Christ and did everything, and they murdered the people - and they could heal, and step just like that back into that sacred healing, and he could do it.

Or did you think that a murderer always remained a murderer?

And did you think that a human being makes a mistake, that then the whole personality must immediately be kicked into the corner?

But society does that.

‘No’, society says.

And then you are stoned, sir?

No, first you go to prison.

You serve your sentence and then no one looks at you.

And whether you like it or not, sir, you must be destroyed again, because no one accepts you.

And that is our nice faith in which we live, do you see?

And that is then: God is love.

Yes, indeed.

Yes, you can go on with that, but that is not the intention.

You also write here: I am only saying this to show you the nice part, how deep, how wonderful those masks and people are, because the books teach you to think. ‘The human being exhausts himself in society.

There are sick people on board.’

‘The human being exhausts himself in society ...’

Do you not understand that?

But how does the human being exhaust himself even more?

How does the human being destroy himself?

I can tell much more soon, I can destroy, destroy much more, and then you will get, for heaven’s sake, you will then get the picture of how they destroyed me.

And I was grateful for a beating.

And if you just look at the human being, they are already scared.

If you want to teach the human being something ...

Do not touch that little personality, then that human being will already be lying flat.

Oh God, and then they throw God and Christ and the whole world aside.

Do you see?

And the people are so strong then.

I have been destroyed by the sun, by the moon, and that is the worst thing there is, by Mother Nature, the water.

I just wanted to go to the water every day.

Then I would therefore have ‘committed suicide’, they would say then. No, I was one with the water.

Everything speaks.

We were born in the water.

I have not dared to go to Scheveningen for two years, because if I walk in there, I will not come back again.

I go, and I go into the water like that, and that wonderful space in which we were born, it calls to me at once: ‘André, finally I have you with me again.’

I say: ‘Yes, you would like that.’

And if I had not stopped myself with force, sir, force ...

That is the natural hypnosis.

Do you not believe in that?

Half of Egypt walked into it, into the Nile, and drowned themselves, because they heard the water speak.

That is the unity with the life of God.

And the water is God as mother.

Yes.

We are in a mess now.

But when you go in there then you can learn something.

And then the human being can really make something of himself.

The human being, I keep hammering at this point, the human being exhausts himself in society.

What do you actually live for?

What do the masks and the people say now?

What does Frederik say there: ‘A fuss about nothing, nothing.’

Yesterday there was something wonderful in the Algemeen Dagblad daily newspaper: an English sailor sold his Victoria Cross for seven hundred guilders, because he had nothing to eat.

And then they said, that nice newspaper, ‘Yes, that tin medal ...’

That tin medal, that tin medal, that tin medal; so finally it is just a tin medal.

That tin medal.

But it is the highest military order and honour, which you can get in England, that is the Victoria Cross.

That boy had nothing to eat, then he just sold it, he at least had food for his wife and three children.

Sir, will you let yourself be taken in any longer by a tin medal? (laughter)

Madam?

And what does the human being in this society exhaust himself for?

For what?

Become a minister, sir, and you will be a child of satan.

What did I say?

Yes, that is, that is not yet so certain.

Because they are good people, aren’t they?

Sir, if you hear ...

Take part in politics, sir, then you should see in what kind of mud you end up.

Christ was also a politician.

Masters take part in politics.

Did the masters not say in Diligentia: ‘Make a king of me over the whole world in this state, and we say: no!’

Because then you must still be a part of injustice - yes, if I had a say in it - then you must do nothing else than approve of injustice.

But the human being in society is beaten down by a hundred thousand things.

You can say: you are out of it; you are in it.

I am also in it.

When I was a taxi driver, sir and madam, then I was exactly the same.

Why would I ...

‘Poppie Liquorice ’, we said, didn’t we?

Poppie Liquorice.

Why would we do that, sir, if it is not necessary?

I punished them there every day.

I was such a dope.

All the things you come across in society.

If you ask a taxi driver from The Hague, sir: ‘Do you also know where that gentlemen lives?’

Oh, sir, the higher we come the clearer society becomes for us.

We knew everything.

And they thought that we did not know it.

We always went, on Friday evening we always went to the Oranjeplein, around the corner from the church, because at a quarter to nine the priest came, and no one knew that.

I say: ‘Are you going there?

Then I will go.’

Then I went to the priest.

And then we had to go to the Waldeck Pyrmontkade there.

‘Just come back in an hour.’

‘Yes, your reverence ... yes, sir.’

Because he was in plain clothes.

I think: but I will get that.

I think: Crisje, there goes someone this evening.

And I went back.

Then he says: ‘What do I owe you?’

And then I added twenty-five cents to the price.

And then he said: ‘No, that is too much.’

I say: ‘Sir, why?’

I say: ‘You are bad and I am bad, your reverence.’

I say: ‘You went there, and I know exactly how many ladies there are.’

I say: ‘And I will get twenty-five cents, your reverence!’

‘Do you know me?’

I say: ‘The whole of The Hague knows you, is it okay now?’

Two weeks later the priest was gone.

Look, then you get to know ... (people laugh heartily.)

Madam, mother, that really happened.

(Lady in the hall): ‘I wanted to say ...’

What did you say?

(Lady in the hall): ‘You mucked up all his fun.’ (people laugh heartily.)

Madam, I destroyed his whole career.(laughter)

Oh well, there it is, and then the boys said - I will tell the whole story - then the boys said: ‘Where is sir?

I don’t see him anymore.’

I say: ‘That gentleman has gone.’

I say: ‘His reverence ...’

‘His reverence?’

‘Do you know me?’

I say: ‘Sir, there is not a driver in The Hague who does not know you.’

‘What?’

‘Yes, sir, you are already a year and a half old.’

And I had a twenty-five cent piece.

And I took that extra coin in order to beat him from the corner.

I say: ‘Sir, you are now going ... your reverence, are you now going to serve mass?’

And truly, he went in.

I think: God God God.

Yes, then André was already messing around in me, you see, he was already busy, he was already busy.

But in that society ...

I can tell you thousands of stories by means of which you can learn.

And then it immediately punishes the human being.

I come there.

‘Stop.

Just take me ...’

Yes, we are finally busy with masks and people, but this is also a mask, but it is worthwhile.

Or don’t you like it?

Then I will stop.

Another gentleman.

When you soon get Jeus the chauffeur, he also knows something.

Another gentleman says: ‘Oh, chauffeur, may I sit beside you?’

I say: ‘Sir, go ahead.’

‘In the front?’

I say: ‘There is enough room in the back.’

Well, madam ...

A smart man, a gentleman who does not crawl next to a pan of oil, because we had a pan of oil hanging with a litre of oil.

And then sir sat down next to that with his nice trousers.

Oh, well ...

No, those people were less of a psychologist than we are.

You could learn from them.

I say: ‘Sir, just sit down.’

But I already had the piece of strip iron ready.

Well, I did not hit him.

I did not hit him, but I already had the piece of strip iron ready.

We were also attacked in the evenings, madam, and then they knocked us across the street.

Yes, that is also a good profession, you know.

But I learned a lot from it.

Master Alcar had brought me into that. If you ask by what means I learned, I can say: ‘I learned the most when I was a taxi driver.’

Then I learned.

Every day new psychology.

And then that gentleman came, he says: ‘Driver, it is nice weather.’

I say: ‘Sir, it is beautiful weather.’

But I accepted him at the same time, I say: ‘Nice, beautiful weather’, (laughter) and I drove along the Prinsenstraat, up the Scheveningseweg.

And I already drove fast; and he came again, he says: ‘Yes, yes.’

I say: ‘Well, well, well.’

And I pushed him away again; from my beautiful legs. (laughter)

And I drove up the Parkweg, I think: as long as I have to give change from twenty-five guilders.

My God, and then I will checkmate him.

Then I stole, madam.

But I punished that man with money.

Then he says: ‘What do I owe you?’

And really, he produces twenty-five guilders.

I say: ‘Sir, you owe me NLG 2.40.’

‘Good, just take NLG 3.-.

Are you satisfied, driver?’

I say: ‘Yes.’

‘Would you also like a cup of coffee?’

I say: ‘Let’s settle, sir.’

I say: ‘Sir, here are ten guilders back, I will keep the rest myself.’

I say: ‘That is for the touching.’ (warm laughter)

I say: ‘Sir, if I tell that in Scala, I will earn a million every evening.

You still got a cheap deal.’

And then he started to shout.

I say: ‘A nice gentleman you are.’

I say: ‘Yes, sir, you are just as fat inside and outside as that oil burner there behind my meter.

Is it okay now?’

I say: ‘Sir, it was an honour meeting you.’

Then he says: ‘Yes.’

I say: ‘Yes.

Pft.’ (laughter)

Yes, madam, that was that farmer from ‘s-Heerenberg, do you see?

But I learned by means of the human being.

And if you want to know even more in society, Mr Berends ...

The human being exhausts himself in society.

And this is why I am now telling you such a good story.

I experienced it physically, yes, I felt it, I experienced it socially and materially.

Because if you open your eyes, you can learn in society at any moment how it should not be done.

Well, just become a taxi driver now, then you will learn more, sir, than if you go to Leiden as a psychologist.

Because I had them: ‘Well, goodbye, child, we will go and play a whole game of bridge.’ (Jozef talks posh.)

Then we had to bring them to the Daendelstraaat, the gentlemen.

Do you want to receive the baron, madam?

Well.

But I will not put down any visiting cards here.

I say: ‘Oh yes, sir, are you going to play bridge?’ (Jozef talks posh)

Well, and we always punished them with fifty cents.

Madam, did I steal now?

Yes, that is pinching. (laughter)

Pinching.

If you go to my old boss even now, then he will say: ‘Jozef?

Well’, he will say, ‘he drove the whole of The Hague crazy.’

Now I am busy again.

I am really driving you mad.

Don’t you think?

What were you actually laughing about a moment ago? (laughter)

What did you say?

(Lady in the hall): ‘With that piece of strip iron, I see in my thoughts a man with a piece of strip ...’ (laughter)

Well, madam, let’s start the new season a bit properly because it will be a long time, don’t you think?

I have just got out of bed, you see, I am certainly not a sourpuss.

Because this morning I was already standing on my head at nine o’clock.

I think, at once I dreamt that I was a ballet ballerina, and then I ended up in the kitchen, and then I felt that it was not true.

But then at least I was rid of a lot, otherwise I would not have been able to talk this evening.

Do you really think I am mad?

You don’t, do you?

(Hall): ‘No, we don’t.’

You see, now we will begin again with deadly seriousness.

Sir, you will learn all of that, Mr Berends, if you learn to think.

I can go just as deeply into farce as into wisdom.

Because the deeper your feeling becomes, the nicer the things you can say.

Every day, for example, I make my wife - I have managed this since 1930 - I make her laugh three times a day.

Once at ten o’clock, then I say something, then she is suddenly awake, of course, but then I get tea.

I do it for that tea.

But if you can also do that in society, Mr Berends, and you can deal with the beatings and the slaps, in order to still love life and not throw yourself away as such people who sit down next to an oil burner and a greasy driver in order to sit and mess about with the body - you must punish them with ten guilders; if he had given me a hundred, then he would have got nothing back - then you get to know society.

And something can be learned everywhere.

And Frederik says that.

‘Society exhausts the human being.’

And if you then analyse the spiritual core, the foundation of that, then you get growth.

And the masks and the people serve for that purpose.

Tear those masks off.

He does it in the second part of ‘Masks and Men.’

Then they already tear off the masks.

And in the third part the masks are explained.

Do you see?

This is why there is also a piece of strip iron, madam.

(Jozef continues.) ‘‘Wherever you go’, Fredrik says, ‘you will see misery everywhere.’’

Isn’t that true?

‘‘I cannot deal with all that suffering.

I will not go into it.’

He first intends to recuperate because these people do everything for you.

He also wants to go to Italy, he goes on foot first, and goes there through the mountains.’

He is still talking about that letter, that is all still about that letter, isn’t it?

‘There were sick people on board.

The human being exhausts himself in society.

Wherever you go, you will see misery everywhere.’

And that is there, of course.

‘I cannot deal with all that suffering.

I will not go into it.

He first intends to recuperate because these people do everything for you.’

Frederik is preparing himself to take the plunge in order to descend into that psychopathy for those people.

And if you begin now ...

Because of that you have those ‘Masks and Men’, this trilogy.

And if you begin now, because of the ‘Masks and Men’, these books, in society, in every wrong thing which you come across - now it is about God, isn’t it, about Christ, it is about leprosy, insanity, psychopathy - if you now start to deal with and analyse that, then you will get to see the state of purity.

And at the end of the third part you will be on the divine stage.

And that really means something.

That book will take you out of the mud of society, and will wage a battle with you for life and death, and will stand with you before the ‘coffin’.

It is Frederik himself who dies, he is released, he becomes free, and then the whole family is on the divine stage.

And you are busy with that at the moment.

Nice?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, indeed.’

Yes.

Yes, indeed.

I thought that you said: ‘Well.’

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Well.’

This is wonderful, sir.

But if the human being does not feel and does not understand the wonderful part of a little core, a little thing, a trivial revelation, which life gives you to carry and to see, sir, then the great wonders will have no meaning either.

And then we also get here: ‘He first goes on foot, and I then go through the mountains ...

But does a guide go along?

That is Frederik’s consciousness.

‘Above Frederik gives a summary about crazy people, masks, suffering and sorrow, wants to recuperate, go into nature, the travelling etc.by means of which society is analysed in all kinds of ways.

Is that correct?’

Mr Berends, you felt that properly.

If you go on like that, you must irrevocably come out of it.

And afterwards you know something, you can analyse something.

But, now there is also something else, one hard word with regard to another person ...

You can perhaps ...

You will be provoked sometimes in society, and then you will sometimes say something back, but, woe betide, if we start to hit, or whatever.

Then you will also have lost that consciousness again.

There are geniuses who have done and were able to do everything for the world, and they had no love, they had no feeling, and then they were still nothing.

I can make something of you if you also begin with that yourself.

Isn’t that true?

And if you really do that ...

I will say it again, ladies and gentlemen, here you live ‘behind the coffin’, and not when you stand before that occurrence which is called ‘you will die’.

Because there is no death.

And you can drag me along by the hair later, but I have already seen and experienced that death, I swear it to you.

Where must those books, where must everything come from, for heaven’s sake?

From the Grim Reaper?

When you have part III soon and you know my life ... Could I really make up all of that?

And then you can talk about subconsciousness ...

But, ‘We are in the world for the first time’, the psychologist says, ‘this life is the first one.’

And we have had a hundred million of them, as father and mother.

In other words, accept it, accept it: begin now.

If you do not stop here with inner groaning and kicking, and your pathetic thinking and feeling, then you will soon be in a tremendous world in the spirit and then you will be just as cold as now.

That is what I am concerned with.

I cannot help you there either.

There is no one who can help you.

If you flatly refuse it here, do not do it here, you will be alone there.

Here you still have people, here you can still drink coffee and drink tea, here you still have company, here you still have this, people are still next to you, but there you will be alone.

Then there will be no one else, because you close yourself off to that other world, for which the Messiah came to the earth.

Just carry one, just wreck yourself, just destroy yourself.

The human being hunts, hunts, hunts, hunts; for what, for what?

For that glance from that boy there.

That boy sells the Victoria Cross, the highest thing there is - say he is wrong - for seven hundred guilders.

That boy could not get a job.

Is a war hero.

For whom will you sell yourself?

In India they read the ‘Grebbe Line’.

Then the lieutenant came, then he says: ‘Oh, now I understand the rebellion here.’

Then someone said: ‘Well, read yourself too, then you will also walk away.’

Then there were forty boys reading the ‘Grebbe Line’.

Then he says: ‘Here it is.’

And then they wanted to leave.

A boy in The Hague comes here, one of ours, for the medical. He says: ‘I am no use to them.’

The colonel says: ‘Why not?’

He had asked me: ‘What should I say?’

I say: ‘Nothing.

You must just say: I will not kill.

I will not kill.’

So the colonel said: ‘Why not?

Well, what faith do you have?’

‘I am connected to the Spiritual Scientific Society of Jozef ...’

That Jozef Rulof again.

Then there had already been a hundred and fifty of them.

He says: ‘Boy, Jozef Rulof is right.

But just do not tell it to anyone else, otherwise I will have nothing more to eat tomorrow.’

He also read my books, that colonel.

He said: ‘He is right.

But what will remain of us?

Who can accept him from us?

Then we can also put the government in his hands.’

And he says: ‘Away with that mess.’

Atomic bomb?

Haha, sir, we will make the fight against cancer out of that.

And we will make this and we will make that.

And if the Russian wants ...

Let him come, we will wait for him at the border and then we will have a nice talk with him.

And if he does not want to, then we will build up lice, then we will prepare insects for him.

But we will do nothing, we will only just think about lice from space, which come down like that and get him out.

(Someone laughs) Yes, indeed.

You are probably laughing again.

That is possible, madam.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes?’

Yes, indeed.

Look, if you want to experience a divine wonder as a mass then you must first make sure, madam, that you are not armed with daggers.

Be careful.

God, yes, there is someone sitting there who is talking about God and then a long strip of wood walks in front of him, which he almost breaks his neck over.

He must lift it up like that and walk like that, and then they have coals under their legs, of course, because it is warm down there, and then they look up as if God blesses everything.

And then they are decked with canons and soon with atomic bombs.

And then they go.

Did you see my smile?

And that wants to be protected by God.

Hahahaha, I laughed.

They say: ‘And Father, help us, and help us.’

And then I suddenly burst out laughing in the Protestant Church.

Oh no, it was at home, that is true, with the Catholics.

The minister said: ‘And Father, help us.

And that the enemy of ours is banished.’

And he had really put a hundred thousand howitzers on the border.

‘Love what lives, what there is, then you will have Me.’

What do those wretches hope to achieve now?

Do you wish to experience a wonder of the masses by means of ‘Masks and Men’?

That is also possible, if you surrender to God.

But if God can, if Christ can ...

I can also build up a biblical story like that.

I experienced it, I am talking completely from experience.

I experienced all of that.

I do not get to see a master Alcar if I shoot him and him and him down and stab there and rape there and destroy there and just do everything.

And that I have a thing hung on my coat, by means of blood!

Dear God, give me a forget-me-not.

And a person like that wishes to experience God, experience Christ.

Haha.

You should hear the sermon.

And God can help the masses.

And that also often happened at the beginning of the bible, that a small bunch of people were really protected.

They had not done anything yet, so God could still help; but they were the masters again.

But they do not take you from dry land into the ditch.

And they cannot help you if you are armed.

You must first be free.

You will stand naked before Golgotha.

And those wonders begin from there.

Not only for the individual, but for a whole people.

And now you must imagine and feel all the things the university, the theologian still has to learn.

And then a minister stands there on the battlefield and prays.

And then that soldier also goes to heaven, he has just sawn away some four hundred, five hundred.

And then the minister came, the chaplain, and he also gave him a blessing.

Gosh, gosh, gosh, would you not fry both of them?

Really fry.

But then we go back to the prehistoric age and then we take part in cannibalism.

But I would also like a piece of that minister.

He would go into the frying pan as far as I am concerned.

I will say: ‘You will go back to where you were born.

And you will first look for your own attunement.

And then a time will come that I will send you to the university in order to become a minister.

But then it will no longer be necessary.’

And they have to learn all of that, yes.

Mr Berends, will you continue with ‘Masks and Men’?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘May I also ask you a question?

That letter from last week, that probably remained behind, didn’t it?

And you put it in your pocket and it was to be read out this week.’

I put it in here.

You perhaps lost it in the street.

If a minister has found it, then that will be a fine thing.

Perhaps you will read it today or tomorrow in the paper.

Then they say: I have something of a ...

If a minister has found it on the street, Mr Berends, it will be fine thing, then we will have a nice advertisement.

But I put him in here, you know.

Perhaps he is still in there.

What a darling you are.

(Jozef is searching.) I just ... it here ...

Yes.

No.

But I put it in here.

I gave it to you to take home because I think: perhaps that man will also make something of it.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Well, it is not in there.’

Sir, do you have any other questions?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, there was only that conversation, that, it was at the top of page 17, about those brown bears and hyacinths, and then you claimed, here from the back of the podium, that must be hyenas, of course, now that is open again, of course, to all kinds of explanations, but ...’ Do you remember what page that was, it was 172.‘ ... at the top of page 171.’

Look, I am saying that, you are right, because it says that, but you see that, I also told you, if you take out a piece from there and there, I lose the contact, but there are new chapters.

Here it is, yes.

‘If people break their word ...’

(To the sound technician): How many minutes do I have left?

(The sound technician says something.)

‘ ... the snakes of life will endanger you.’

You will sense it, the snakes in society, there you have something similar, the characteristics which ... If you break your word then you get misery, don’t you?

A human being who breaks his word, a human being who says categorically: You can depend on that.

And then the word was word.

And the word was ‘yes’, wasn’t it?

But that is not there and then you are deceived from left and right, and then the snake comes, the misery in society which then destroys you.

After all, we still live in lies and deception.

‘Remains standing as if nailed to the ground.

And I also say: ‘If the people do not keep their word, the bears and also the hyacinths will come in order to bite them to death.’’

Do you feel, the hyacinth is now the good one.

Now good and evil face each other.

The good of Golgothas immediately ...

He can say: Christ ... in order to bite you to death, you do not understand that.

But the good attacks you, the wrong attacks you, and the good immediately calls you to a halt and now you can prove what you have done.

The last judgement is already lying there.

If it continues with just that, you will get another twenty pages, which connect you to society.

Hyacinths, he is still talking about them here.‘ ... precisely, the hyacinths which come in order to bite their heads off ... in order to make them bow their heads and to bite them off ...’

The flower is the cordiality for life, the benevolence, the love, in order to make you bow your head, and in order to destroy, kill you, in order to show yourself with regard to space, God, Christ, to say: you see, I managed that now.

The good calls you to a halt in this.

Has got hold of such a perfectly ordinary flower.

And makes a comparison.

‘And I will get them ...

I never had that opportunity before, now I will get them.

Oh, how lovely those apples are.’

Do you feel, he is prattling away.

How lovely those apples are.

They are sour, poisonous, everything is in them.

He is immediately sitting under the tree of life.

This is why he ... from the tree of life in the beginning, after all ...

The one tree of life which has everything on it, that is your life.

The human being ...

If we had had the opportunity, this book would have been very different, because then we would have had the tree of life, and we would have got all the characteristics out of it.

Then you would have got an introduction which sounded perfect.

But we did not have enough paper at that time.

‘Oh, how lovely those apples are.

I have never seen them like that before.

I know them.

Yes, precisely, I know them.

I know who he is.

I know where he was.

Did you see that, Hansi?’

Now he begins again for himself.

‘Did you see that?

Hans gets a fright.

Did you see that, Hansi?’

Because he has lost Hansi.

And now he goes ...

‘Hans gets a fright.’

He already starts to fathom out Hans directly.

And he establishes with those things - Frederik rises above everything - by means of that tremendous thinking and comparing he establishes that Hans is just an unconscious being.

And now he just touches upon that word ‘Hansi’.

That is that little woman with whom Hans had an argument and who deceived him.

Hans is in a mess.

Hans forgets that whole world of Frederik again and is faced again with the material destruction, that little woman whom he has lost there, who made a fool of him and deceived him with the butler.

‘The name Hansi is to him what the rag is to a bull.’

Didn’t I know it, there goes the human being.

As long as you have something, the human being ...

If you ... with the most sacred, the most wonderful problems ...

You want to know how you hold onto that.

By means of one thing of the earth ...

There were once two people in the street and they were having a nice happy talk, two women.

And if you now really want to possess spatial, spiritual trust ...

Then a man came there and he whispered to that woman: ‘Say, woman, your husband is standing there talking to a woman.’

‘What?’

Gone woman, gone.

Completely shaken.

And he continued.

He says: ‘Yes, I was just kidding her, in order to see what was in there.’

Then he says: ‘Well, you should have heard her for a bit, that man was already murdered.’

He says: 'Now take ...'

If the real society, which is so animal-like nasty, charges at our life ...

You just believe everything, don’t you, and if people place you before that tomorrow, and people were to try it ...

Madam, you will not tear off those masks for that or that woman.

I told you last week: you did not need to go to Crisje with that, we learned that.

No, then the human being will fall apart.

He says: ‘Didn’t I know it.

I have ...’

Oh gosh.

Then that man comes and says: ‘But, child, I took you in for fun.’

‘Well, yes, indeed, now I also want to lie too.

I have known it for a long time.’

And there it goes: two weeks later, sir, they are separated.

Those things have already happened a thousand times.

The human being does not believe the human being.

The human being does not trust the human being.

Yes, you can now see the grades of trusting and believing.

‘I saw that you went out the door.’

The wife puts a bike at the door in order to see whether the man leaves while she is also away.

‘Oh yes?’

That man put the bike down there.

And she says: ‘You see, you were away.’

Then he says: ‘Yes, I certainly went downstairs from upstairs, I put that bike down there, otherwise I would have broken my neck.

Is it okay now?’

‘No, you were away!’

What is that?

What is that?

When does the human being only attract nonsense, destruction towards himself?

Why can you not make that clear to a human being.

My God, you are not the only one who lives here on earth, but we live with millions of people of our grade.

Christ is also there too.

You stumble over everything.

They are the masks of the people.

If you just tell the human being the truth ... I have told something again, I said it a moment ago, I say: ‘Yes, sir, but madam, yes, sir, but then that happens and then you get this.’

‘Hahahaha.’

I think: oh God, what I have started again.

Oh, goodness me, what I have started again now.

I must start to lie to them.

I must say to the human being, when the human being comes to me, I must say: ‘Do nothing that ...’

Or I must say (in a posh tone):  ‘Potztausend (darn it), how beautiful that is, isn’t it, oh, how beautiful that is.’

‘Yes, isn’t it?’

‘Yes, it is beautiful.’

And when the door is closed ... (laughter)

And then say: ‘Can you stand rough handling?’

I have an artist visit me.

I say: ‘Yes, you want to show your art.’

I say: ‘Sir, can you cope with something?’

‘Yes, just tell me, Mr Rulof.’

‘Well, the tumour is there.’

The tumour was there.

So thick on top of it.

I think: God, God, God, at least twenty guilders’ worth of paint on that thing.

I say: ‘I will make a hundred paintings from that.’

I say: Man, man, man, stop it.

Become a baker.’

‘Huhuhuhuhuh ...’

We had to fetch aspirins, had to buy morphine, the doctor had to come, because sir collapsed. (laughter)

Madam, the whole house in an uproar because after three hours he had still not recovered.

I say: ‘Come to me again with art.’

Oh, oh, oh, how that boy wept.

That boy was also here the last few years.

That boy ended up in Rosenburg.

Not crazy, but he read ‘Masks and Men’, and then he became a carer.

You should see him now.

But he no longer paints.

He says: ‘How crazy I was, Mr Rulof.’

I say: ‘You were completely crazy.’

I say: ‘You lived above your intellect.’

And I have more like that.

Then they ask me: ‘What do you think, sir?’

I think: let’s see, how many, how many grams may I give?

A full kilo?

Boom.

Hahahaha, there they go again.

Society, sir.

You must not ...

Oh no, you may not say taken for a ride.

You must be deceived.

You do not want to see the core, the spiritual core of that truth.

And then you must beat about the bush. In society you go to those and those people, they do that, and then you are, you are deceived from in front, from the left, from above and from the right.

Madam, sir, I do not accept that.

I had to begin directly with the core with master Alcar, and then I said: ‘This one of mine is rotten, absolutely bad, that must go.

Wring its neck.’

And then I began.

Now you would like to know, of course, what that was, wouldn’t you? (laughter)

Didn’t I know it.

Especially Mr Berends.

He says: ‘Then I can also begin with it too.’

But you do not have those things anyway.

You don’t have those things, do you?

It proves, sir, that you learn to think by means of those things.

But I have already been busy for far too long with that gentleman.

I will move onto something else.

However, you learn by means of all those things.

And if you then ...

I will be able to talk even more nicely to you soon when you have ‘Jeus III’.

And if you have finished that, then you will have seen those problems, and then you will say: ‘Yes, by means of that you go further, by means of this, by means of that.’

And then you can ask questions sometimes, and then I will end up by those masks; that has to go.

And you have to bring that to founded evolution, that means, they are lying there, and then you see a crumbling of that, and then you get a little nail out of there and then you put a stronger one in there and then you see this and then you see that, and suddenly you are empty.

Completely empty.

Then you say: ‘My God, I have lost everything.’

And you will feel that so completely, then you will enter a haven, sir, and then your own inner life will say to you: ‘It was really earned.’

And that applies not only to a book like that which you read there, but now you have to do with hundreds of thousands of characteristics, you have to do with a hundred million things in society; and in order to take them to Frederik’s stage, ‘behind the coffin’, that is now all the art for you.

And that is the essential, the spatial, the universal for which you now live.

Is it clear?

Yes, we say that too.

I have the question here: ‘Is it possible to have prayers answered, and how must we imagine this?

Since there are so many people who pray to one God at the same time.’

From who is that?

Madam, do you not know that?

Do you not know that?

(Lady in the hall): ‘But I have forgotten it again.’

She is now one of my very, very, very oldest pupils, there.

And now you still ask it again?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes?’

Yes, then ...

Have you lost everything during those years?

I may not talk about being senile, it is not about that now.

But where did it go?

We used to talk differently at Kijkduin.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, but I have changed.’

I was thirty-four then.

Do you remember?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, but there was a lot before that.’

Yes, wasn’t there?

Yes, that lady has known me since 1934.

And she comes with: Is it possible to have prayers answered and how must we imagine this?

But you know that.

And you don’t know it anymore?

How is it possible?

(Lady in the hall): ‘I am starting to doubt.’

What did you say?

(Lady in the hall): ‘I am starting to doubt.’

Because of what?

Because of the war perhaps?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, because of everything.’

Because of suffering and sorrow.

If you experience suffering and sorrow you also doubt God, of course.

(Lady in the hall): 'But I only want to know how God can fulfil that for all those people who pray simultaneously.'

Yes, but you have still lost a lot of that book.

‘Father, father, father, just help me’, one person prays.

And next to him there is someone kneeling who says: ‘Oh, vuvuvuvuvu.’

And he the same thing, the same thing, the same thing.

But Our Lord does not hear anything, madam, he does not hear that mumbling.

(Lady in the hall): ‘No, who hears it then?’

No, no one hears you.

(Lady in the hall): ‘No one?’

No, no one.

(Lady in the hall): ‘No?’

Do you know when you are heard?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes?’

When you are okay yourself inside.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, okay.’

Yes, then it is over.

(Lady in the hall): ‘I am doing my best for that.’

And then you go to the core which is just like that and that is then the spirit on the other side.

But what are we praying for now, what are we praying for now?

For what?

(Lady in the hall): ‘For what?’

Yes, what are you actually praying for now?

Those mothers all ask that, and those men.

Do you still have a lovely kneel down beside the bed to pray?

You do not do that anymore, do you?

No, quickly, quickly under the blankets, quickly under the blankets. (laughter)

But who invented that kneeling beside the bed?

Frederik says in ‘Masks and Men’ ...

There was a woman and a man, father, and the man said: ‘That does not happen anymore, the children are getting sick.’

The children had pneumonia.

Beside the bed, cold.

Yes, but how can Our Lord approve of that now, the children pray to Him and then they also get pneumonia too?

Yes, but no one agreed with the father.

The father says: ‘Oh, but that is not necessary, when the children are lying lovely and warm in bed, they can also do it.’

No, that had to happen on your knees.

Otherwise there was not enough reverence.

Who is right now?

How many arguments were there in the Protestant world and the Reformed, the Catholic world about kneeling or not?

He said: ‘No.’

She said it there.

He was backward.

Here she was it again.

‘Kneel down, otherwise that prayer will have no meaning.’

(Lady in the hall): ‘But that is said.’

Madam, that is still the battle in the whole world, and no one hears you.

No one.

But what do you actually pray for?

Ladies and gentlemen, we have talked so often about praying.

But when should you pray?

If you wish to become cosmically conscious, get spiritual independence, then I will teach you when you should pray.

(The sound technician): ‘One minute.’

One minute.

When you get a cup of tea, or coffee soon, then begin to prepare your question: when should I pray?

And then I will give you three quarters of an hour.

Then I will finish this first, and then we will begin with that praying, because it is urgently necessary.

I am the happiest person in the world.

Do you believe that?

You can say that, but I have happiness.

I will prove it to you.

I also get happiness from everywhere.

Nice, lovely cold these days, lovely snot, having a lovely lie-down to think, it is all over far too quickly, madam.

Lovely operation: ooo, that does not work.

‘Goodbye darling.’ (Jozef pronounces this in a posh voice.)

Ladies and gentlemen, the tea is ready.

We will continue soon.

INTERVAL

Ladies and gentlemen, I will finish this letter first.

And then we will begin - and that is necessary, I think - with: When can and may and should I pray?

We have spoken about this several times and then the truth came.

I have here: ‘Dear Mr Rulof, from your book ‘The Cycle of the Soul’.

Do you know how the human being is born on earth?’

Listen.

‘When the father, or the mother, start to think about this event, they are already in a cosmic attunement.’

And we also already dealt with that here several times.

‘This event is therefore a cosmic wonder, a power, which strengthens and attracts this connection, as a result of which both beings are absorbed.

The parents have a connection with the universe at the moment of attuning.

So with the world.

And that connection can only be broken by brute force and is a spiritual murder.

The life which is bounced back to this world, is cursed by the human being himself in this way.

And the parents, or the human being, will have to make amends for this.

Question: How should we see this?

When we have sexual intercourse and we do our best not to create an embryo, are we then committing a spiritual murder?’

From who is that?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Sir, all of mankind hobbles with your question.

You have asked a good, wonderful question, and the people yearn for that.

But they do not dare it, because then they still think eh ... oh well.

(Gentleman says something.)

What did you say?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I am a God myself.’

Yes.

I have had ladies here who say: ‘Sir, I must return to the earth.’

Well, the human being who has read those twenty books, and has followed all those lectures, knew immediately, that lady murdered a baby.

‘Yes’, she says, ‘I must go back.

I must go back.’

Because she knew the laws.

And that takes a nerve, sir.

The whole universe knows that.

You do not need to hang that on anyone either, everyone’s face, that visiting card, that is not necessary at all.

But the law itself connects you with the unity.

Sir, when we fling back the life which we attract to space, that is a slap in the face of God.

And do you know now, my old people know that too, how that slap appears for Our Lord, you can also call Him Our Lord?

You hit Him right in His face.

And what was that slap like?

There is certainly not a piece of strip iron here this evening, madam.

But He gets a slap right in His face.

He gives you the most sacred thing, the most wonderful thing there is, because God gives you reincarnation by means of the child, you can go back to the earth.

Now the human being says: ‘I do not want to go back into this chaos, into this mess, into this misery.’

But the human being forgets that you must experience the cycle of the earth as a body.

How and what you make of it, God says nothing, you will finally make it anyway.

Then we will begin spiritually.

So you must experience the cycle of the soul physically, that is the highest organism which the earth made for the human being.

And that is God.

The earth.

How does that slap appear to God?

Well?

I told you it.

Now you must ... the terrible ... if you also ... for the Catholic Church ...

The church is right about that again, it is not allowed.

To attract little souls, that is the most beautiful and the most wonderful thing which the Catholic Church fights for, without knowing it.

Which the Catholic Church built up for itself, and for the human being, to attract little souls, to the faith: make babies, make babies, make babies ...

‘Is there still not one there?’

‘No.’

‘What a pity.’

And then they say: ‘Those fanatics.’

But you should know.

And the pope and the cardinals, they are theologians, they are still so backward and naïve that they do not know that they are categorically fighting for divine laws when they follow the human being and ask: ‘When will we get another one?’

From me he will immediately get: ‘Become a mother yourself, sir.’

But that is not possible, is it?

Sir.

He cannot become a mother.

‘Sir, give birth and create yourself, sir, begin yourself there with your beautiful nuns and make babies, then you can come back soon.

Now that mother must do it there, who gets fifteen, sixteen children there, for you.’

Because they must go back to the world, mustn’t they?

So God gives you, because you have children, reincarnation, or the world will die out.

If everyone began with that, there would be no more life on earth.

Another example.

Theology immediately falls for that and from the Catholic Church.

If we were all so chaste and holy - they call that chastity; and that is no longer chastity for them, but for another it is - and if we became so holy, we would all become cardinals too, we men, and the mothers would all become little nuns, then the world would be gone in one year.

In fifty, sixty years, isn’t it true?

The babies would grow up, but there would be no more babies, then there would be no evolution, then reincarnation would stand still, then we would all be cardinal, then we would all be pope.

Hahahaha.

Don’t make me laugh.

And we would be so holy, and we would be married to Our Lord, we would have that unity, we would have the divine authority in us, we would have mastered it.

Yes, indeed.

But thank God that not every human being follows that study.

What would Rome do, what would the Catholic Church do if we all, the whole world, every man was to say: ‘I will become pope.

I will study.’?

Well, then there would be a hundred million too many women.

And now?

Now you have an example how crazy, how terrible that is if we descend from the spirituality into the naked material, human, and then see the laws before us by means of which we got life.

And what does the human being do himself?

Sir, surrender that to your divine self, in you.

And then you can ask questions again, and I can give three, four evenings about this again.

Just as bad as praying.

Well, let’s connect it together.

Well well, how many millions of people do not pray for a baby, mothers and fathers?

They go to confession even more on Saturdays, even more pure, and they prepare themselves, are one, and then a child comes into the world in bits and pieces.

Or ...

That Lord, or that God does not interfere with those prayers.

And they wait, and they wait, and they wait, they remain childless.

And then one came anyway, and he was crazy, he was psychopathic.

I once had a gentleman visit me, also Catholic, walks round with that dreadful problem: why them, why them, why them, why them?

You should see that, they swear like troopers, we are chaste and immaculate and pure, we do not deceive the people, and do not get children.

He had a little grocer’s shop, good, he had food.

‘We will not take any apples, any rotten apples for real money, we do not do that, sir.

I am honest.

Were you also Catholic?’

I say: ‘You are lucky because I was also one.

I am still one.’

He says: ‘And now, sir, now my wife has come across something else. She complains and complains and complains, she wants to know something and now categorically comes up against a woman, who has read your books, and she says: “Read it.”’

And now that man comes to me and wants to talk.

He says: ‘Now we have waited eighteen years, it has already cost me a fortune in flowers, sir.’

Because masses were read, a hundred guilders, fifty guilders, seventy-five guilders, and now they go.

‘Wait, sir, wait, sir, even more beautiful, even more beautiful, are we still not good enough?

And then a boy came and he was psychopathic.

Would you pull that God there above from his chair?’

Hans also said that to Frederik.

Hans said, in ‘Masks and Men’: Frederik, if someone dies here - and that goes over the whole world for us, for my colleagues - a crazy person here, then we hang a card around that crazy person’s neck.’

Not around his throat, but around his neck.

He says: ‘And then he goes straight back and then I say: “Do you have nothing else to do up there than manufacturing crazy people, in order to just destroy society?”

We are powerless.

“Who are you actually?”

Well, the doctor says that.

Sir, the real psychologist who wants to get to know the life, stands before a divine mask every day with regard to his patients, or is that not true?

The father who did not have a child, who wants to have a child with the mother, his wife, who wants to have a child, because it is happiness for the human being, they already know happiness, my child, my child, my child - no, sir, it is your reincarnation, that goes to the universe - they pray and bring flowers and have masses said, you can go even further, what you must do, they pray day and night, are honest and good and get a crazy child.

Gah, gah, gah, gah, what a holy Father that is up there.

And then, if it does not come, then they start to doubt, then there is no longer any faith, and then the succumbing comes.

And that is that God, a God of hatred, and a God of revenge, and also something else, and also something else, and then it goes into the corner again.

That goes out of the church, they fly over The Hague, those people, and they say: ‘I must do something else.’

Sir, if a baby is born tomorrow in our house, and it is completely mad - is it still not harsh enough? - a hundred percent psychopathic, sir, then we still say: ‘Thank you’, because I am it myself.

I have to do with that crazy situation.

This is life which I have to do with.

She or I.

Woman or man.

And if there is no baby and the body is normal, then I go to the doctor and I say: ‘Is it okay?’

‘Okay, sir.’

And there is no child, we do not get any contact, any unity with God; then there is something else speaking, and namely this, that we have beaten ourselves from that divine harmonic birth.

And that is already sad enough.

And now the human being who begins with murdering, the human being who is desperate here.

Because there are fathers and mothers ...

I fought like a possessed being for my child.

And I did not get it.

But I fought so much as a man and a mother who would really have wanted it.

It had been something fantastic for me, because I already knew the hells and the heavens and space, I was already travelling.

I think: now something for myself, the human being in society who does not want to learn, then I can finally talk with my own blood.

And now I say: imagine that it was also a psychopath?

My God, my God, what do we long for?

Imagine now, I had been sitting there, I also talked about it this week: my child, my child had already stood with the mother behind the table with the books, and had already talked for father.

Imagine that she went into the Wagenstraat, and said: ‘I do not want anything to do with that fine mess of yours.’

And then you just beat it out.

Then I would have received an even bigger blow.

I would perhaps have murdered them.

Yes, all the things which happen when you want to devote your blood, your soul, your spirit, your whole self for your own child and they say: ‘Get lost.’

And they say: ‘Yes, but now I am the boss.’

Just like during the war, and then they went before Mussert, and were wearing ‘gamaschen’ ( gaiters), and ribbed trousers, and with a hat on, and then they stood with a revolver: ‘Now say something.

‘You’, the captain says, that also happened, sir, ‘I also have something for you.

Come upstairs.

A present.’

He shot his child like that in his head.

Then he surrendered.

He says: ‘I murdered my child.

Because we will all die.’

Sir, that is the same thing as when we commit that spiritual murder.

When we fling that child away, then we stand exactly before the same picture.

There is no revolver needed for that: pfft, a bubble, and the life is gone.

And what should we do now?

What should we do now?

A hundred million problems - which are not problems to me - they charge at your question, and can all be taken care of if you learn to think.

Otherwise I will have to write a book here.

It is absolutely wrong to do that, and this, that and the other.

I have said to several people: ‘Sir, surrender that.’

I was also able to take care of those Catholics, I said: ‘Sir, just be happy’, happiness, you do not even know whether you can be happy, ‘I can assure you that the psychopath means happiness to you.’

And then you say: ‘Yes, but it is really something if you get a crazy person from God in your house, and your whole life is destroyed.’

There are people who have three, four of them, and they say: ‘Yes, yes, yes.’

But the human being with spiritual feeling, and who reads these books, he says:

‘Good heavens, good heavens’, now you should hear the difference, ‘what did I manage then and then?’

And they can bear it, they can deal with it.

And that is also the only possibility.

Because you know, you surrender that.

No, sir, your own destruction is standing next to you.

But in order to now consciously fling that life into space ... that life also came to you consciously, and now you are faced with that ruin, spiritually and physically, that is the psychopathic side.

Now just start to pray for a child, sir.

There are millions of mothers, fathers, millions, who say ...

A girl of twenty, of seventeen years old, yes, my God, my God: pregnant.

That child is cursed in society, the boy also walks away; yes, just begin now.

Does that not happen every day?

Do those children have human, social intellect?

And society says: ‘Gosh, children, you will both get a thousand guilders because there is a child, because now another can be born again, the evolution will continue’?

No, sir, you are talked about with your child.

And what happens now?

Wham.

But it remains a murder, it is destruction for your life.

Because you are, just out of puberty, sir, when the women menstruate, you are a mother of course, and ready to give birth, it goes back that far.

And then we stand before natural consciousness, responsibility, divine unity happens, materializes, and gets spiritual feeling.

And a character is already there when the child awakens in the body, the spirit.

What will we do now when we are twenty, twenty-four, twenty-five, thirty?

What do we make of our life by means of our marriage, by means of our unity?

Well?

What else do you want to know yourself about this?

(Jozef continues to read.) ‘How must we see this?

When we have unity and we do our best not to produce an embryo?’

Sir, then we are anaemic, then we are crazy and psychopathic, then we are so insane, crazy and mad, not only physically and spiritually, but we ring the bell in paradise, and we want to see everything, and then we get it, and then we set fire to the lot.

Don’t we?

We set fire to paradise.

We are like that.

And the whole world began with it.

We all took part in cannibalism, we were all crazy, sir.

You did not used to have those institutions like now, because then we were walking round somewhere in the jungle, and then we had those screams, you know: ‘Huvhuvhu, huvhevhe.’

Yes, that was not understood, because they all screamed like that at that time.

Yes, you want to laugh again, of course, but I will not do that.

But we screamed there.

And now they still scream in society, but now no one understands them.

Having children, sir, is the most, most, most sacred thing that there is.

The human unity is a divine journey to space, is the becoming one with planets and stars.

It is God.

Because it is the reincarnation which lies in our hands.

It is the fatherhood and motherhood.

If the mother does not yet know herself, then the spheres and the laws and the planets and the stars will teach the mother it; the mother is the most, most sacred thing in this world, for the earth and for all the spaces created by God.

Yes.

We once talked here in the evening about a spiritual perm, but let them just give that a spiritual perm.

Don’t you think so?

Anything else, sir?

Just think about it, then you will know it.

Read ‘The Cycle of the Soul’, read ‘A View into the Hereafter.’

(Lady in the hall): ‘Mr Rulof?’

Yes, madam.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Is that really also murder?’

What?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Not wanting to have, or produce children.’

Madam, that is even worse than murder.

(Lady in the hall): ‘But then a soul has not yet descended.’

The person who experiences and receives it, and sends it away again, has at least experienced something.

But those who do not want to experience anything at all ...

That one does not want, does not want ...

They want to experience something, but not received, do you mean that?

(Lady in the hall): ‘No, I mean then no soul has descended yet into that mother, has it?’

You think that ...

Yes, it was on the tip of my tongue, but I will just not say it.

I am too fast again.

No soul has descended into the life.

Yes, indeed, there are circumstances because of which the mother, and the father, cannot give birth, nor create, then there is no fertilization.

And then you are not in harmony either with the life which you will attract.

You can then only attract that when you are ready.

And now the strange thing is, that there are mothers with fifteen, sixteen children, that is one after the other, and then people say: ‘You should see that bunch of rabbits.’

The people scold at that.

They do not know that they are doing it for them, and that something happens there by means of which they have the life.

Millions of people owe their lives to those hundred million people who had twelve, fifteen, twenty children there.

Because the rest in our lives, we still have ...

Dear God, what do we learn in one life, we are still animal-like conscious.

If we read the books and know laws and start to make all those journeys, and I do not begin to do that and that, that has no meaning; because we are faced with the reality.

And the whole world throws away, and kicks, and destroys.

How many millions of children will God get in His face today?

How many?

Today?

And that is from those millions of births ... it continues every second, nurse, every minute, someone dies every millionth of a second - no one dies - goes back to that cycle, that continues.

That has been like that since creation began, God manifested himself, that began.

And now the human being continues through the cycle of the earth, for material and spirit, the other side; the Divine All is now there.

How many murders are committed at this moment because the babies, the life, are flung back in the face of God?

And that must go back.

Because the soul will be born on time.

Yes, I can also explain it cosmically, then you will not get the chance, madam and sir, to fling that life back.

This is why you are not only materially, but then you are also spiritually crazy.

Did you really think that you could fling that life back?

If I now want to begin cosmically ...

I must now start to think humanly, but now I will, now I can give you the divine answer spatially.

I am God here this evening, and did you really think now, if I gave you my life, and my light, and my fatherhood and my motherhood, and did you really think now, madam - just imagine that now, sir - that you could just fling that back in my face again and that I did not know how stupid, how pathetic that life still is, that consciousness still is in you?

And did you really think that a God of love, a God of justice - the divine psychology is called cosmology - that He does not know that you cannot understand His life?

Hahaha, and the world laughs.

And the world prays.

And the world continues.

And the people do that.

You should see that misery.

Who can answer you?

I, through the masters, and the masters again through their masters, and finally you stand before Christ, and He said: ‘Do not kill, if you do not want to be murdered.’

Yes.

Hahaha, the Catholic Church, becomes cardinal.

They are walking there.

‘You should see those  pan-wings’, we used to say.

Do you know what pan-wings are?

Butterflies.

We called that pan-wings.

They are walking there with a half a kilo of lace, which you could make aprons from for nothing, wearing a cocked hat like St. Nicolas, with a revolver next to them like a pair of tongs, like the bishop of Spain; and they are bone-dry inside.

Salamalaikum.

(warm laughter)

Yes, sir, salamalaikum.

Oh, what were we talking about again?

(Lady in the hall): ‘No, that curl, that is a worm pricker.’

What kind of a thing is that actually?

(Lady in the hall): ‘A question mark.’

Oh yes, he himself and she too are question marks.

And that also serves a mass for me, because I will be a mother.

Yes.

Well, you should send me once more to the catechism, then the whole of Rome will knock me off the bench.

Madam, did you have anything else, nurse?

(Lady in the hall): ‘No, I still have to absorb it a bit.’

Gosh, but there is not so much to it. (laughter)

I just find it perfectly ordinary.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Do you think?’

Yes.

Yes, madam, I find everything ordinary at present.

Become rich inside.

Never ever feel irritated and beaten, become spacious, become ...

What did you say?

Madam, then you will grow.

And do not violate fatherhood and motherhood.

Yes, I would like to have children.

But tomorrow they will come with forty children.

Then I can do nothing else, that does not work.

School master is nice.

Sir, did you have anything else?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Mr Rulof?’

Yes, sir?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Is it actually possible that if two people are one, and both cannot consciously attract any new life, that they can be one together there in thoughts, or in the execution of the deed?

I mean: are the thoughts of the human being himself not directly closed during the action, by means of which they cannot actually enjoy the unity?’

Sir, oh I will be able to ... you ...

There are those psychopaths ...

There was once a gentleman from Assen, he came to me, and he wanted to tell me a wonderful excuse: he was physically so completely one, and it was so wonderful.

I say: ‘So.’

I say: ‘Now I must certainly leave here, Jan?’

Yes, that was nothing.

Sir, do you really think now that the human unity has meaning for space?

Yes, it does for the mother.

But we, as men, walk next to creation.

Sir, it is really true.

You can just talk openly.

I once heard an evening in ‘Pomona’ during those years, and that man there was talking about sex lives.

I think: yes, that is good because that man at least hits the nail on the head.

And he said: ‘Yes, children, boys and girls, I must talk ...’, there were also old people there, perfectly ordinary.

But now, yes, what nonsense that man there told.

But did you really think that you could kid yourself that the divine cores in the human being are subject to a human character if there is love?

In other words, do you wish to kid me that it is physically successful because the human being has no unity with the other human being?

Yes, that is possible.

Because this is a question of feeling.

And because of the feeling the material is forced to division, isn’t it?

God did it like that in the creations.

He separated himself from motherhood and fatherhood, and then the universe ripped apart.

It is also still like that in the human being and for the human being.

And then you are right, sir, but what are we faced with then?

What are we faced with when that law, which you are talking about, speaks?

Do you not know that?

Gosh, now sir, if I tell you it soon you will say: pooh.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘ ... the aura.’

What did you say?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘ ... the material aura.’

No, sir.

Where are we when those feelings speak, madam, sir?

What?

What did you say?

Yes?

(Lady in the hall says something.)

You see, in the first sphere.

If you want to experience that sanctity of unity, sir, then make sure that you are in harmony with everything, for the word, for the thinking.

The more love you have for the woman, sir - or the woman for the man - the deeper you will get to see the divine unity; and then, truly, then you will have the divine attunement, sir, and then you will fly apart from happiness.

Won’t you?

And we all know that, sir.

But what does that mean now, what are you talking about?

If you want to create and give birth, sir, then there is no question of fighting and of destruction.

Because I can also explain that to you, sir, even the psychopath still feels that the urge for creating and giving birth enters him, because a little woman in the mental institution, sir, still longs, and the man too.

And if a child like that, sir, sits there rooting about with that body, and does something, sir, then you only just think that that is all lust.

And then do not think at all that if a dog runs out the door, and that fellow sits there for four weeks at your door, and that bitch does not come out, then you say: ‘Mientje is not there.’

But he can smell it.

We discarded our speech organs and nasal organs and feelers, we kicked ourselves out of nature.

We no longer feel anything, sir, because we have become as hard as a brick.

If only we were that.

No, Mr Berends.

If you are really creating, sir, you will be outside of it, and you will have nothing more to say as feeling, because then God speaks in us.

Because the unity of the human being is the dividing, is the mixing, is the unity of divine fatherhood and motherhood.

So, sir, when that is speaking the personality is at odds with society and nature.

Isn’t it?

Yes, we know it.

There are grades of marriage.

There are grades of feeling.

There are loving, comforting, supporting feelings.

A human being who hits and kicks, and snarls and snivels and does everything; sir, how can you love that life?

You mean that, don’t you?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Yes, sir, then you break your spiritual neck.

And now it is also really human.

Don’t you think?

Because by means of that I want to bring forward the divine, spatial with regard to the human, and then you will see what is from yourself and what belongs to creation.

Is that clear?

(Gentleman in the hall says something inaudible.)

Thank you.

Which one of you?

And what, madam, will we pray for now?

That that mother and that man start to deform the character?

Oh, be nice for God’s sake, then we will have the life.

Yes, people, if you are really nice, your life will also grow by means of creating and giving birth.

And he said it, and she said that to him.

And there they have the hit, slap, destroying.

Ochvrgvogh.

Listen,

What did you think, how did you think soon ‘behind the coffin’ - I tell you: here is eternity! How did you think you could imagine those things there?

Like here?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘As you are yourself, will have to continue again in your own state ...’

Where do we end up, Mr Berends?

Where will we end up then?

Where will we see each other again then?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Well, I think that we do not see each other again at all.

We will have to be completely for ourselves for the time being, and stand in the cold around them ...’

You are at least still honest at that source. Thanks.

Yes, he goes, she goes.

Oh yes: ‘I will see you soon.’

Sir, madam, you can only see each other again when in all those sources you still have the justice and the love of and for the divine laws in you.

A friend of mine, who loves me so much here, he must also be able to bear that love.

I do not like a sole love.

I cannot live from a human being who just loves one human being.

I will suffocate in that.

Would you not?

That becomes a one-sided closed-off love, sir, it has nothing more to do with God, with any space, with any nature.

They are those people who only love themselves.

Yes, I always add: ‘I will not carry the life.’

I have learned, sir, and you still have not.

There are people who boast about the other human being.

Yes, if it is necessary.

If it is necessary a hundred thousand times, sir.

If something must be done well, sir, you must precisely want out, because I have always done wrong.

And later I learned.

And then I knew that I should not do it.

How do we become wise?

No, when do we become conscious for society and that directly to the spirit?

And now fatherhood, motherhood, Christ, God, Golgotha, Gethsemane?

We have already been sitting here talking for seven years, about Gethsemane, and they want to experience Gethsemane, and what do they take away from it?

‘Oh, that sanctity, what a morning, what a morning, those masters!’

Good grief, was the master helped with that when you only take that light from that Gethsemane and throw the rest overboard?

My God, I wish that I already had the book now.

When you read it soon, then read quickly, then I can at least begin with you on a real human fight, it is only then that you will get happiness, if you dare to take the bull by the horns in yourself.

Isn’t it true?

Then they say: ‘Yes, it is difficult.’

It is difficult, they call that difficult.

My God, is starving to death difficult?

Was it so difficult for you during the war?

Then you could buy the human being for a potato.

Yes, women and men.

Yes, you now still can, you know, if you add five guilders.

The war and the misery were the most wonderful, the best times for my life, because then the people ate out of my hand.

And now they say: ‘The ‘droodles’.’

We have already had hundreds of thousands of people here, sir, but they walked away.

Because, it is so difficult.

Difficult.

Soon you will say to me: ‘If only you had beaten us to death, Jozef Rulof.

Because how happy I am that I continued to listen.

No one can take that away from me again, what I have now.’

And if you do not begin with it, it is your own business.

But when should we pray, madam?

You now just pray for spiritual happiness.

Hahaha, Just go and have a nice lie in the evening, or soon, you are now forty-four, aren’t you?

(Lady says something inaudible.)

Let’s say a hundred and three.

(Lady says something inaudible.)

Well, a bit out, it doesn’t matter.

A hundred and three.

Just go and have a nice lie under the blankets, madam, and then having a lovely lie on your back, wrap up warmly, and then start to think about Our Lord, about your God.

Will you not do that?

Why not?

(Lady says something inaudible.)

No, I am only giving an example.

I will do it like that, madam.

I will no longer kneel down.

(Lady in the hall): ‘No, I won’t either.

But you ask for support in that then.’

From whom do I wish to have that?

(Lady in the hall): ‘From God.’

And what will you ask Him then?

(Lady in the hall): ‘For strength, for the life of my daughter.’

For strength.

Where will you get that strength ...

Which strength?

What, what should that strength be like?

What do you want to use that strength for?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Well, to be good, to do good ...’

Yes, madam, but you do not need to ask it, if you do it, you will already be there.

Then that strength from God is not necessary.

If you categorically say to yourself: ‘I want to do good’, God does not need to help you, does he?

Because then that power is already busy.

Otherwise that strength from space must come to you.

(Lady in the hall): ‘But you have guardian spirits with you, don’t you?

Can you ask them something then?’

Guardian spirits?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Who are they?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, who are they?’

Guardian angels ...

(Lady in the hall): ‘Angels.’

... With with with ... with wings.

Madam, a guardian angel, he can give nothing to the human being if the human being is not busy himself getting to know the trust in himself.

I used to pray to the guardian angel too, and then I saw him, then he said: ‘Yes, but it is not me you want.’

I say: ‘But it is you, isn’t it?’

‘Yes’, he says, ‘Jeus, it is me, but that guardian angel is in yourself.

You must awaken it.’

Because God lives in the human being.

God, and His almighty laws and powers, live in us, madam.

Now you must first awaken that by means of your will, and then a guardian angel can only tell us, let’s assume that I now have a bit of that: Madam, first that releasing in yourself by doing good, being friendly, being cordial; you make your life.

And if the human being asks you something, you answer properly, don’t you?

You work until you collapse.

You are not lazy in the first place, you are not easy, but you work, even if you are eighty or ninety years old, you work from evening until morning, even if you collapse; you will first have to use up your divine human powers, because the human being got them for that purpose.

And then that guardian angel says from inside: ‘It is going well like that.’

Now there is something else, and that is also from God and that still lives unconsciously, but by means of your fanatic will to be strong, you have brought your divine spark for this to awakening today, and God speaks to you.

If you do not know that way now, and you go to a guardian angel, as the spiritualists say that: ‘My guardian angel, my spiritual leader, he says that and that.’

He cannot do any more, because if he is really a spiritually spatially conscious being, then he will say: ‘Descend into yourself and awaken that.’

Because you do not get anything for nothing.

(Lady in the hall): ‘But if you then want to pray for another person that he gets better ...’

Hahaha.

(Lady in the hall): ‘But can you ... yourself?’

Madam, I will give you an example.

To pray for another that he gets better, does not help you if that man, that feeling, does not begin with it himself.

There are men here who are told off by the whole family, they are Catholic, and say: ‘You, heretic.

And that fellow, that guy to whom you go should be locked up.’

And he says: ‘Yes, but I am going.’

Even if you pray just as long until the devil destroys him.

But that man will just not be destroyed.

(Lady in the hall): ‘It is about my daughter ...’

Madam, there are people here - I will give you an example - there are people here and they would like to drag the man, and the man the woman, and he would like to drag the family here, because then there will be happiness, because they have the feeling.

And another says: ‘Go away with that rubbish.’

And then they are in a mess.

It will work one day.

But then something completely different will appear.

There are people here who fight for consciousness.

A woman is the most wonderful being for space, and if the man does not want this, and the woman does, for example, then that man is penniless in society, and cannot experience the spiritual pleasure and feeling and spatial happiness of this personality as a mother.

And then we go to Mr Berends, and he meant that, and then you get a slap right in your face.

Do you see?

And now you want to start to pray for a human being, and to bring a human being to better thoughts?

Madam, that does not work and is not possible either.

Mussolini went to Abyssinia.

And a hundred million Catholics and Protestants and members of the Reformed church, and every right-minded human being said: ‘Do not go, Muus!’

That was amicable, because that did not even exist then.

Then he did not say Mussolini, but Muus.

But Mussolini went!

And all those prayers, the churches were full, and Muus thought, Mussolini thought: ‘Well just let pontu del ance del anco’, and he went. (laughter)

And in the ‘s-Heerenberg dialect that is called: get the ‘droodles’.

I can also speak Italian, as long as you understand it. (laughter)

Madam, he went to Abyssinia.

But, it says in ‘The Peoples of the Earth’, he loses it again; because he could have done that before, then he could have had it for fifty, a hundred years.

We used to go to India, madam, three hundred years ago. Jan de Wit, and Jan Pieterszoon Coen, what is that lad called?

Piet Hein was also there, I think.

And Hendrik de Groot and Jan de Visser. (laughter)

And there was also a Herman de Koster there.

And we, madam, we brought culture there, madam.

We set fire to kampongs there, because they did not want it.

And now we were flung out of there again. (laughter)

We also brought millions of soldiers there in order to save that, but we just had to take them home again.

And now we also have a lot of Canadians ...

What are they called?

They have been messing about now, for five months, with those poor wretches who served for queen and country.

Oh oh oh, I get extremely annoyed at those politics of yours.

I say: ‘Stop, get out of my space, Willem.’

Yes, I am talking to Willem from the baker. (laughter)

In order to tattoo those poor souls there.

No.

What are they called?

Albanians?

(Hall): ‘Amboinese.’

What?

What?

(Hall): ‘Amboinese.’

Oh yes, Amboinese.

Isn’t that sad?

Those children have a primitive faith in Her Majesty.

I read it yesterday evening in the paper.

Our dear queen Juliana went to Winterrust; then there was a little girl standing there from those people, and she gave her flowers.

I think: does your heart not sink now in the street?

But, my God, my God, is there a question of justice here?

Yes or no?

And then ...

Well, I do not know what she did.

But, my God, I would have let those people make a trip around the world, in order to make amends for it, because they love you, queen.

And here they are chopped up in a plantation.

And if they say anything, they also get into an argument, then they are killed.

Nice country, isn’t it, nice people.

Nice justice.

Sir and madam, do you wish to pray for that?

If you ... those cursed people ...

Those people also have a faith, they believe in the first place in material, social justice, and are given the brush-off.

And then, oh oh oh, what do see you of the life?

They pray to be allowed to go home again.

They suffer cold and poverty here, and have surrendered for queen and country, and are now taken for a ride.

They do not know it.

That scheming.

They wanted to die for that scheming.

Enough of them have died, madam.

We went to India, madam, in order to bring happiness and prosperity.

And the people prayed, because by means of God’s authority and help we gave the banners colour, and the medals are hanging on them.

Yes, those tin medals.

Do you see, do you also pray for that?

‘Just become a general, and you will be a killer of cads.’

I said that to an admiral in my house.

I say: ‘Sir, here you are not a general.’

I once had a ‘feldwebel’ (sergeant-mayor) from Holland in my house, a ‘feldwebel’, the supreme command.

I say: ‘Here not a word about soldiers in my house, or I will kick you down the stairs.’

He says: ‘I am not here for that either.’

I say: ‘For what then?’

I say: ‘Then take those greasy medals off your coat.’

I say: ‘We cannot start to talk about the University of Christ now, because you are walking with daggers in your pocket.’

Then he says: ‘The next time I will come in plain clothes, Mr Rulof.’

I say: ‘Thank you.’

He was gone.

Well, two months later he came in plain clothes.

I say: ‘Ha, colleague.’

Well, I should have said that to him in the street, then he would have got rid of me.

But he was looking for God, he also wanted to pray.

I say: ‘Oh, yes?’

I say: ‘I must also teach you to pray?’

You cannot pray for a child, madam.

You cannot pray for your daughter and for your father and for your mother if they flatly refuse to be good, because they are still psychopathic, unconscious.

Lives are needed for that.

And you cannot pray: ‘God protect me’, if you are not walking in the divine harness yourself.

But try beginning now.

I can explain hundreds of thousands of problems to you when you should not pray.

Because a prayer does not help if you ask for something of which and for which you are too lazy to bring it to awakening yourself.

Yes, indeed.

Do you have anything else?

What do you want to pray for, madam?

That your child must be healthy, it must die?

That does not work.

A lady comes to me, I have the proof.

I say: ‘Madam ...’

‘Yes, I have heard of you.

I have come for my child.’

A girl of seven years old.

Later I come in there.

Master Alcar says: ‘Just look.’

I say: ‘Madam, she will die magnificently.’

I think: how can I calm those people.

Huhuhuh.

I think: gosh, gosh, gosh, what have I started now.

I must tell them the truth, I say: ‘The child will die magnificently.’

I say: ‘But there is no death, madam.

Because the child will go and will go to the world of the unconscious, and will probably be born again soon.

But this child will go to eternity, and will continue there to the seventh sphere, and then go back to God again.’

‘Yes, but I will have lost my child.’

And she started to pray.

She went to the church, and just burnt candles, and did this.

But the child went.

And the mother was in a mess.

Madam, if you cannot accept those laws which we are talking about here, that your child must die, madam, then you cannot pray for anything, because the human being does not know God, not his prayer, does not know Christ, not the life, not the death, not the spirit, not the soul.

The human being is a psychopath in the space of God.

Yes, and now I also have the cold, and now I am letting rip.

And this afternoon I was praying, I say: ‘Just give me the power of my voice.’

I say: ‘What?

Now I am making cokes out of it.

But I will talk.’

And I do not need to pray to Our Lord for that.

I once went to Diligentia, then I had no voice anymore at all, and I came like that ... gone.

And then master Zelanus said: ‘Yes, I can do it once, not always, but I will go around it.’

And then a baritone came.

And when I came off the stage again, I said something to sir ...

Then he said: ‘Yes, I am also going crazy, because I do not know you anymore.’

I say: ‘Neither do I.’

I say: ‘But what was the matter?’

He says: ‘You had a baritone, listen for yourself.’

I say: ‘That came from somewhere.’

I say: ‘That was God.’

And then I said it there so that someone would hear it.

And then he says: ‘Hahahaha.

You see.

Hahaha.’ (laughter)

I say: ‘God talked this morning, because I have lost my voice.’

I said to someone: ‘Follow him.’

‘Well’, he heard that man saying, ‘he is completely crazy.’

But I had lost my voice, madam.

And I did not need to pray either.

I was lying in bed one morning, madam ...

What do you want to pray for?

Hahaha, don’t make me laugh with your mumbling.

I am strong and hard, madam, but I give you a special flight for your mumbling.

I put a thread in your hands, by learning to think differently, that will connect you with ten guilder notes and golden eagles.

Yes, and then you will see money lying in the wood like I did.

I was lying one morning in bed with spit on my lungs.

Do you know what that is?

Then you cannot do that.

And master Zelanus says: ‘Do you want to, André?’

I say: ‘Yes.’

He says: ‘Then we will speak this morning.’

I say: ‘Yes,’ I say, ‘but then just get me out of the bed.’

He says: ‘Well, I will do that.’

He says: ‘Give me ten percent.’

I say: ‘I have nothing left.

That is not possible, because there is muscle here, and then you cannot just ...’

There are things, then I must also listen, mustn’t I.

It happens sometimes.

And now something happened.

I have also dematerialised sometimes, madam, then I walked under the tram, under line three, on the Laan van Meerdervoort, and I went through the driver, through the electricity, through the people, I floated like that to the other side. And then I rang people’s bells, they said: ‘You are just like a ghost!’

I say: ‘Yes, madam’, I say: ‘it is a bit like it because I was one a moment ago.

But now I am back in my ribcage.’

And I say: ‘Sir, is it so bad?’

He says: ‘Look for yourself.’

Madam, I looked like a corpse, because I had dematerialised.

But that morning when I had to go to Diligentia ... praying for spit ...

And how many people do not have a mass said if someone has something in his back, in his head, in secret like that.

Huhuh, another ten guilders for a poor person, then it will help even more.

I said to Crisje: ‘What are you praying for always?’

‘Yes’, she says, ‘but I gave that poor person five guilders.’

I say: ‘Then I believe you, because that praying does not help anyway.’

But it went surprisingly well for us in The Hague, let me tell you that first.

If Crisje had not prayed like that, madam, I would not be standing here. (laughter)

Really.

And if mother had not done that, madam, I must honestly admit it, then I would have had none of it, and now I have it anyway.

I say: ‘Mother, mother, if you had not prayed so well for us, what would have become of me and of Bennad and of Johan?

Nothing, nothing, nothing at all.’

(Lady in the hall): ‘Do you mean that?’(laughter)

Madam, I got up ... I was in bed, and master Zelanus gave so much feeling ...

(To the sound technician): I have another two minutes?

... he got hold of me and I pulled myself up by him ...

I do not know how we managed it.

I looked a bit crumpled that morning, but I went like that to Diligentia, down the stairs.

They pulled me out of the car and I went moaning, I walked like that, you know, just like a ballet dancer, forwards.

I made extra steps in order to go into the artist’s room.

And when the Panis Angelicus began to play, then master Zelanus said: ‘Get up.

Put your hands in your side, André.’

I say: ‘Yes.’

He says: ‘I will take over you’, and he walked away, and he came on stage, and he had a baritone.

(Lady in the hall): ‘But then you also got strength from the master?’

Yes, madam, but by what means?

By means of the occult laws.

By taking possession of that organism.

By means of the metaphysical teachings, for which I squeezed out and gave my blood.

And then he took it over.

So by means of the trance it was possible to speak, madam, or I would not have been able to say a word there.

And God was not necessary for that, and Christ neither, because it was between me and the masters, master Alcar and master Zelanus.

And when the lecture was over, the people ...

‘It was tremendous’, they said.

And when I came off the stage and came to again, then Jeus of mother Crisje just collapsed again, and I was dead beat.

Ladies and gentlemen, just pray now, but ask first where you wish to begin.

See you next week.

Madam, another evening like this?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Thank you.’

Thank you too.

(There is clapping.)