Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.

(Hall): ‘Good evening.’

I had to stop recently with Mr Berend’s questions.

I will just read it out, and then we will continue.

I have here: ‘People must lose something of the personality in order to want to experience the divine laws.’

And I dealt with that.

And: ‘The soul must be awakened by the masters,’ Mr Berends says.

But I explained that to him.

‘In order to experience the inner life.’

Inner life, if you still accept and feel that, to be able to experience inner life, is a book of a thousand pages.

What is the inner life?

After all the books, and the reading, and the lectures the people are still confused.

What is subconscious actually?

What is feeling?

People speak about four things, matters.

Life, isn’t it true, what is that?

They do not actually know that.

No one knows that, people say.

People speak about the soul, about the spirit, the life of feeling and the personality.

That is that whole clockwork.

And that is the human being.

And then you also have an organism, that is the temple, the house, that is the exterior.

And the inner self, that is that engine, and that is life, spirit, feeling, personality.

(To someone in the hall): Come in, sir and madam.

We have another two chairs there.

Right next to the stove.

It only cost ten cents more.

Ten cents doesn’t make any difference, sir, does it?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘They are worth twenty-five cents.’

Worth twenty-five cents?

Look at that, sir.

We are making progress again.

We are making progress, sir, because if I just ...

We are talking about money.

But on Sunday morning, before Mr Zelanus came, there were two thousand guilders lying on the table.

We came home, and then there were five hundred lying in the hallway.

And on Monday morning five hundred came in the post.

So we are not badly off.

That is three thousand guilders.

The masters did not get that from their customers, but from their disciples.

I may thank those people.

There are no names there, nothing.

If I hold onto it like that then something tingles there, but we will not go into that.

Again something, a push for ‘Jeus III’, fair is fair.

But the rest will begin again, in order to build up ...

Let’s hope that we finish ‘The Cosmology’ sometime.

Because if you have that in your hands, yes, then the lectures in Diligentia will be of more use to you.

Master Zelanus, I see that, I saw that, and I heard, he made everything from that, didn’t he?

He takes you into the infinite.

He says: ‘We will make dramas of that.’

But you feel and you hear ...

I once said: ‘Yes, the people learn nothing.’

But then I must bow my head anyway, mustn’t I, we are getting help.

Now another one with seventy-five million, then we will suddenly be on top of it. (laughter)

If I just get those two million and my dream comes true.

Do you still know him, sir?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Yes, gosh.

‘Wer weiß’, people say in the Ruhr region.

‘Wer weiß.’

Can happen.

It can happen.

But you see, sir, there are also those twenty-five cents.

Yes, I am not forgetting those twenty-five cents, you know.

They say anyway that I am a thief.

But if you just take that into account, ladies and gentlemen, it is in the right place and it will irrevocably go into the books.

I do not ask for anything myself, and we do not ask for anything ourselves.

Now and then a nice bow tie.

Fair is fair.

Fair is fair.

But here, Mr Berends, it concerns: what is life?

What is feeling?

What is soul?

What is spirit?

And what is the personality?

That is already a book for the personality alone.

The life of feeling is awe-inspiringly deep, but that is also the personality again.

But the soul ...

But they are still quarrelling, searching for the soul.

There is no theologian and no professor who can say infallibly: ‘So, that is from the soul, that is from the life, that is from the feeling.’

And then there is that terrible subconscious, the personality.

That is all the human being.

I could, master Zelanus could give a thousand lectures about that.

Look, I have the ‘Cosmology’, the first five in my hands.

There were seven of them, but they have been abridged.

But the ‘Cosmology’ alone about the life of feeling of the human being, for the human being, personality, subconscious, we must begin with that when we ...

These books end with the end of the war, these five.

And then we must begin with the personality.

No, first the animal world.

And then Mother Nature.

Because if you let go of that, then you cannot follow the human being.

Then we do not know again how that human being advanced.

The geologists, biologists do not know it either.

They say: ‘Yes, yes, ice ages, ice eras; there was a time when the whole earth was in flames.

And then there were still no people.’

So, because the biologist, and the geologist, does not know the beginning of creation, that story of Adam and Eve from the bible, and paradise, and snake, and tree, was also a huge success, because they had no foundations.

Because they said: ‘There was a time when there were definitely no people on earth.

There was nothing, it was one blaze.

And then it is called that some planet or other, or a sun, spat out the earth, and then it is just the other way round.

It is no wonder, because those people must, the academics must look back, and lay foundations.

And in this way we are still faced with: what is soul?

What is life?

What is spirit?

What is feeling?

Subconscious?

That subconscious, the people think, you will never experience that.

But subconscious is day consciousness.

If the child begins, then that child already had feeling, and this and that, and already does something, already knows something.

Just like a duck; that goes into the water.

But the human being who awakens for a moment, a child grows up, and you see the phenomenon.

That would ...

Look, that would have to go back millions of ages, eras, because where was the first feeling built up?

What was the first experiencing for the soul as divine spark?

You get to experience that when we, miraculously soon – I advise you, experience the lectures now to come – when we start to experience the moon.

Fatherhood and motherhood split themselves on that last journey which we made in Diligentia, that first part.

And now we also have the experiencing again.

And, you will feel, you must also experience that, mustn’t you?

Because then you will soon get the being one with those laws, and then you will be ready, and then you can take care of a great deal.

Because that is universal thinking.

Now of course the masters can go of their own accord directly to that begin stage of the moon, and then you will get the first experiencing as a human being, as embryonic life, that is the human being in the waters.

What happened there?

What built itself up there?

And that became the feeling.

Feeling, feeling, feeling.

When the first life was over, the second, the tenth, the thirteenth, the twentieth, the hundredth, on the moon ...

We had millions of lives there.

On one planet you have millions of lives.

Because you do not become free from that planet just like that, and then you experienced a planet, I am sorry.

Experiencing a planet, sir, people know nothing about that.

And if you see the following grades, they are the type of race (see article ‘There are no races’ on rulof.org) for the earth.

That the human being from the jungle has to go to the white race (see article ‘There are no races’ on rulof.org), in order to experience the highest of the earth, isn’t it true, how simple actually, science still cannot accept that, because they consider the human being on earth, and the types of race, from their own time.

And they cannot go back.

From prehistoric ages; that is gone.

Well, it is so poor now.

If they have to accept me ...

Yes, dear God, dear people, then we will get such a great deal from the whole world, then we will not know what to do with it.

Because then it will suddenly be too much again, won’t it?

Then they will have to give me the divine doctorate for every spiritual faculty.

Because we possess that.

I prove that to you.

The books prove that.

If I think about it now and again, then it no longer makes my head swim, but then I must make a great effort in order not to burst.

They are all faculties, spiritual faculties.

You have studied, sir, you know what your study of engineering also cost you.

And now all the divine faculties in one hand, in one feeling, in one brain, one personality.

I had to deal with all of that.

Just read ‘Jeus III’ sometime.

Yes, that is still nothing, sir.

That is absolutely nothing, they are just crumbs.

What is in there, that is nothing at all.

I cannot tell you what I experienced, and how I had to fight against that.

I can tell you something.

But then I must also write a book of a thousand pages, and then I will still not have made it.

But what does science know about that?

Yes.

That are ...

If you start to ask about that soon, and I am finished, my dear man, you can experience a dozen evenings because of that which are a hundred percent.

You can learn from that.

Then you will suddenly know yourself and then you will start to feel what is actually the matter.

I much prefer that than that ...

Oh well, we will answer every question.

There is also something in every question, if we make something of it.

And I have here then: ‘Jeus is with master Alcar in the All-Source, and experiences the pre-creation as divine law.

So the soul had to become the divine law.’

The soul had to become the divine law.

No, the soul did not have to become, the soul is.

You see, there it is again.

‘Jeus ...

Jeus experienced the All-Source by means of the pre-creation.’

Pre-creation, what do you mean by that?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘All that which happened before the creation.’

All that which before the creation, before the spiritualization, the materialization of God ...

Isn’t it?

Then there was still nothing, do you mean?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Then there was everything.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘That was already there.’

Yes.

If you enter that source, sir ... I was in there, four, five, six, seven times.

And you can also experience that here.

But then you must be able to lose yourself a hundred thousand times.

But when there was still nothing, there was everything.

The creation is, God is as deep as His world is in spirit and material.

But how deep is that?

Other universes originated.

But if you enter that, in ‘The Origin of the Universe’ and ‘The Peoples of the Earth’, if you enter that ...

You go through this world first.

In the following lecture in Diligentia we will set ourselves free, then we first enter the material earth, the material macrocosmos.

Then we leave the earth.

You will see the earth as a sickle.

It is morning.

No, the earth is now lit up.

And then we will leave the material, the material world will dissolve.

We come from that material – you should hear how wonderful – and it is perfectly simple if you experience that sun, then you enter the spiritual world.

Then you have no light, then you do not see any light, then that world is dusk, dark.

Because there is no darkness, there is only unconsciousness.

You must therefore still master that light.

And by what means?

I told you that recently.

Then you said: ‘Just continue.’

But then we only just had ten minutes.

That is the fight with yourself.

The real beginning.

Because you are not given any thought.

Nothing.

Because it is not possible.

Because if you think wrongly, and you just go against reality and against the grain, go against normal real thinking ...

Sir, I hear the people talking and then I already had stab-wounds, only because I hear a human being talking.

And I must resist that with force.

And otherwise I would much rather put a knife like that into my heart, than to hear the talk of a human being against the grain.

That is terrible.

Unconscious cows, people say.

Cow consciousness.

But people of ours talk against the grain and the core.

Why?

Yes.

You must want to lose yourself irrevocably.

You must want to lose yourself a thousand times, bow, bow, bow, bow heads.

Because you get something by means of that bowing, you learn something.

Incredible what you get if you want and can bow.

The evolution for the human being is nothing else than bowing, bowing, bowing.

The easiest thing which there is actually.

I say to master Alcar: ‘Just beat me to death’, then I saw what I got, what I saw.

I was still at the garage, I say: ‘Well, I will paint, I will write.

I will become a writer and a painter.’

A day before I had wanted to change a ‘two’ on the car.

They kicked me off it.

I could not get that ‘two’ right, not round, with a curl on it.

Well, then a painter had to come.

He says: ‘Just go away with your messing about.’

But three days later I produce a beautiful ornament drawing.

Then the masters had started.

But bowing, bowing, bowing, bowing.

Yes, sir.

The feeling, if you hold onto this, remember it well: bowing for the feeling.

What happens when you bow, and accept and analyse?

The people are at loggerheads.

About what?

I do not understand why they have to be at loggerheads with each other.

And why must one person give the other a thump and a beating?

Why, why, why?

Those are feelings, that is the personality, the will.

Yes.

And you have the animal-like wanting, and the pre-animal-like.

Because you do not pull it out just like that.

Because you need a hundred thousand lives in order to conquer a small thing of yourself.

True or not?

But the whole creation is in that, in thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking, feeling, feeling, feeling, bowing, bowing.

Yes.

(Gentleman in the hall says something.)

What did you say?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘That is precisely the greatest difficulty nowadays, that bowing.’

Yes, you say that.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No, I say it, but I mean ...’

Yes, it appears to be the difficulty.

I have to go back.

I have to think back, and otherwise I will walk out of that society.

I have to think back.

Then I also think again: is that not possible now?

Is that not possible now?

Is that so difficult now?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘It appears so.’

I can no longer imagine ...

I must experience it, I must think that the human being cannot do it, otherwise I will be at a halt.

Yes, I can lay down the means for you.

There are manageable feelings.

There are feelings which thirst like I don’t know what and they say: ‘Just beat me to death.’

I used to try it, but then I also lost them.

I do not hit so quickly anymore.

I have had more of those people: ‘Just hack me to death.’

And, and then we went with the picks over the ditch.

What is that play called?

But then we just fell backwards.

Then we were still lying in there.

Picks, sir, oh, oh, oh.

Yes, if you can let your soul and bliss burn; what is that body which is crackling there?

And: ‘Just destroy me.’

There are still people here, with tears in their eyes: ‘Now, gosh, I wanted to be able to prove it.’

I say: ‘I believe it, sir, you do not need to prove anything to me.’

Are those people who thrown down two thousand guilders there, with nothing with it, they just walk away, are they crazy too?

Am I it then, or are they also crazy?

Are those twenty books crazy?

My God, I come from the clay, I did not learn anything.

What I am ...

I can take on the whole world.

And I was never allowed to read a book.

If I also had to doubt for myself: would that, would that be possible?

Then they beat me to death with – the masters – with the art which I have.

Writing also appears to be not so easy anyway.

Because if a man like that comes out there with a book like that, that book is slashed.

They only slash my book because, ‘the coffin’ lies between that book, and another God.

But they can already no longer say anything about the rest.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, it is very childish.’

Yes, madam, because we have all lost the being a child.

We are no longer children.

We have become big men and women.

The being a child is no longer there.

Because if you follow and hear that talking, then it is always: that is the human being, that is that personality, that is that will.

I had to be a child in everything.

Yes, I had to stick up for myself in society.

Then they said: ‘Well, well, that is not to be sneezed at.’

I say: ‘Yes, I let myself be kicked to death, is it okay now?’

If I just let myself be gassed, and I just say nothing, then I am still a child.

Yes, indeed, but I will first overthrow that gas stove.

Won’t I?

But a saint like that?

I am not saintly at all, I am just a perfectly ordinary being.

Amn’t I?

Yes, well.

And then the fight will begin.

And then society will hit back.

Well, then I will hit back.

Anyone who hits back, sir ...

Well.

Recently I told someone ...

I think: well, tried, what I am starting again.

You are already afraid to teach the human being something.

I am giving you far too much here actually.

Too much, I say.

I already go into your character sharply.

Because with loose, nice, talk like that I do not achieve anything.

You also have those jokes.

But with nice talk, sir, I do not achieve anything.

I must pitch into it, because you will soon be grateful to me for that hacking.

I said to someone: ‘Just become a father, sir, take care of that and become gentle.’

‘Yes, but that was not Jeus either.

He did not give Irma an hour.’

I say: ‘The ‘droodles’ with your Irma, and also your hour.’

Well, wham.

I say: ‘Sir, it is not for me, it is for you.’

I say: ‘If only you knew more from me, don’t you think, then I would also have that.’

I say: ‘Well, I am a jailbird, and I am this, I stole a lot.

What else do you want to know?

Just scold.’

Yes.

No, that was no longer a joke.

But teach the human being, sir; you will get one back.

And why?

If the reality ...

You have nothing to do with that society and with that human being, it only concerns yourself.

If only you begin with yourself and what you are involved with.

You have one goal in mind.

I had just one goal in mind all those years.

I no longer had a Crisje, no longer a Tall Hendrik, no longer any brothers.

And if those people do not want to walk in the harness for that world, those characters means nothing to me either.

You become free from all of that.

Because I got hold of the spiritual being.

And I hold onto that.

I saw him on the other side.

‘A View into the Hereafter’, well, sir.

If you could experience all of that, then it will happen of its own accord.

I once told you one evening: ‘If my Crisje was to be wrong, and she was to go into that ...

I would say: Well, die.’

Sir, do you become that harsh?

No, because you know – that justice is there -: if the human being does not want to, the human being must just walk against the wall; just walk yourself to bits, go to pieces.

And we talked about that recently, we are back in it again.

And if you want to know that, sir, then I ask myself: ‘Why can they not do it?’

Yes, for two hours.

And then they are in a mess:

oh, oh.

‘Yes.

I did not mean it like that.’

And: ‘I did not mean it like ...’

Fine.

Very well.

I do not have anything to do with characters.

I love life.

You are still looking at the character.

But that life must first be ready, sir.

Because that life is the divine, and that is the soul.

The life, professor, is the soul, the Divine core.

No, sir, because the world ‘God’ ...

Yu must put your thoughts of God completely aside.

Because people immediately think again of the Lord who sits there with his long beard.

‘And you will just get three barrels of brandy, Noah.’

And then the Lord hit the table with his fist.

Knock, knock, knock.

Not anything for a deity, don’t you think?

If a deity must still hit the table with his fist, and make himself angry ...

That God in the Old Testament loses himself every minute.

He is just a little mite.

He hates there and he hits there, and he kicks there.

And goodness knows what kind of clown that is, but I do not know that.

But you should tell that to a protestant, or to a minister: ‘That God of the Old Testament is a clown.’

Yes.

Yes.

Yes, but it is precisely much worse.

I just find him a big brute.

He is also a brute.

Because he is not a God, ladies and gentlemen.

He is a story from those bible writers.

They made a gentleman of him: the Lord is a gentleman.

But then with a small ‘g’, not even big.

But that old gentleman there from that Old Testament, he is a man who hates and hits and curses his life.

Be a human being for a moment, and just start to think: But that does not correspond to the reality, does it?

And that is still the faculty, in 1952.

Yes, I am too far away.

I just cannot understand that the human being does not want that, and that the human being cannot do that; I must see it every day again.

Yes, and if you can do it, then you will also get that gift, or then space will also speak.

But I was talking about that Lord and that God, that God is dropped.

That word G, o, d, was invented by the human being.

The people got that from somewhere.

We know for what purpose and why.

But that God who is the bible and the God of the Catholic Church and Protestantism, he is a name.

But the life, soul, spirit ...

The spirit of space, planets, stars, animal world, Mother Nature, that is the real God.

And to experience those life laws by means of giving birth, motherhood, fatherhood, takes you to the end of the earth, and then you will have reached your cycle.

And then you continue, in the spirit.

But then that gentleman with that beard is dropped, he is no longer there.

And society, the universities still have to master that.

Don’t they?

Yes, and he therefore has here: ‘ ... before the creation ...’

The gentleman knows that.

‘ ... but in order to experience the divine laws inwardly, is something entirely different than that we people, the audience, accept those laws, isn’t it?’

You say, look, you mean by this, if you read those books, then you do not experience those laws.

No, that is also logical.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I can only read.’

Look, I experienced them.

But you can experience them the same as me, with that difference: you do not need to make those journeys, you make them with us.

You do not need to deal with that either.

But you can experience what is there.

You must only try not to behave in an occult way, because then you enter insanity.

If you now want to disembody ...

That word, those books which you get there, ‘A View into the Hereafter’ – and you start to follow that, those journeys, - if you definitely read that, and do not add anything, sir, then you will experience that journey with the masters.

And you just crawl into André.

Because I am not any different ‘beyond the coffin’.

And nothing else happened either than what we experience and tell there.

But if you now want to come out of that body for a moment and start to float, well, just go onto the roof this evening, and try it – and just jump down – try to continue to float; then you will know it in five minutes, in one minute.

We will bring you to the Zuidwal (a hospital in The Hague).

We also have a few cars at the door, Mr Berends, and then you will be lying like that with two broken legs in the hospital.

If I now jump off the roof, and I imagine that Master Alcar will help me, then I will also be lying on the ground, then I will also be lying in the hospital.

I do not need to imagine now: I will jump off the roof, they will catch me; then I will also be definitely lying on the street.

Because I do not need to imagine now that they will help me with everything, and that they will just catch me.

They once dematerialized me.

I once walked in front of a tram on the Laan van Meerdervoort and went through it, dematerialized, but they also just do that once.

That happened.

That is not even in the book, because they say: that man is crazy.

The most wonderful things are not even in that.

Why?

It is all too much.

But, you will feel, if I am in the army, and something has to happen for the world, for the University of Christ, then they can do what they want to me if it concerns disembodying, painting, writing, and all those other things, the talking now.

But I must not form any own thoughts: I will just finish that.

Then I will be standing outside of it just like you.

Do you see?

But if you read those books, ‘A View into the Hereafter’, because they are books, then you will get to see the heavens and your hells.

And you do not need to ask me, sir: ‘What is feeling?’

And: ‘What is personality?’

And: ‘What is will?’

In that you can, if you read those books properly, madam, sir, then you will know exactly where you will end up there.

Your sphere, your feeling, your character lies infallibly in that.

If you go against the grain, you will certainly not be in that little light, in that sphere of harmony and consciousness.

Because then you will be up to your neck in the Land of Twilight.

And that is certainly not so nice, you know.

Because, you know, here you have enjoyment, here you have people, light, sun.

But that sun has gone.

The people have gone.

Here you have warm-hearted people.

You can still find your own kind?

No, you now have other kinds.

You still have harmony here, you meet people whom you can talk to; you can no longer do that there.

You have your own kind there, your own thinking and feeling.

And you suffocate in that.

That is a wailing there, that is terrible.

Because they have the consciousness: I should not have done that, and I must do it like this.

And they cannot do it.

And they are stuck there.

There is no blade of grass, sir, a bare barren plain.

Because there is still no life.

Yes, that one and that one, he says there to one of them – I followed those people there, books are so big again – he says: ‘There is grass there.’

I think: he is a Dutchman.

You hear French, German, Spanish there and you hear everything there, also all the languages and all the dialects of the world, there in those spheres.

The spiritual language, that is the first sphere, that is universal, macrocosmic, feeling, telepathy.

But there you hear French, German and English through each other.

All the languages of the world.

There is black, brown and light, that chaos is sitting there together again.

And then someone says to the other one: ‘That is grass, mate.’

I say: ‘Oh, it must come from Drente.’

Then you are ‘beyond the coffin’, and then Drente is right next to that.

Yes.

And you can hear dialects there, you can also hear those people with a potato in their mouths.

‘Gosh, where do you come from?’ he says.

And then you can say: ‘Gosh, that is ridiculous, that is directly earthly.’

Sir, you still sit there up to your lips in the earthly feeling, thinking and feeling, and nothing has changed, only with this difference: you have lost your house, your bed.

You no longer need to call Johan for tea, because you will not get it anyway.

You are no longer cooked for, and you bark from hunger and thirst.

Yes.

You are completely alone there.

I told you recently, here – people, you are married, aren’t you, you have marriages, you have people, you have friends -: ‘If you do not want to experience that Christ, then you will not see each other again there.’

And then they say of course: ‘Thank God, that I am rid of that brute, here.’

Yes, and then you are wrong again.

Because you must accept that brute anyway.

You must love that brute.

If you love the life, then that character and that personality will come of their own accord.

When it started then I said to master Alcar: ‘What must I take care of from society, those characters?’

He says: ‘Love the life, then you will take care of everything.’

It happens of its own accord, as long as you love the life in you, as long as you get hold of that.

And then you should see those people sitting there, let’s say approximately four hundred million people together in one little sphere.

Because there are people living, sir and madam, they have already been living for a hundred thousand years in that sphere, and just do not come out.

Because you are definitely exactly the same there as here.

You talk, they go against the grain again.

Yes, now and again, if they start to see it – what do you want now? – and then you get the obedient human being.

Do you know what happiness is for the other side, and for the human being, and here on earth?

If the human being can offload something onto the other human being.

Is that not for yourself too?

If you can offload something onto each other, then that is the possession, isn’t it?

The human being does not learn, the human being flatly refuses.

If we were to have the true school, I would set up a school here ...

Oh, sir, you are walking for years and you make no progress; because you must, you must remain with that first bowing, and that must go.

I must have those foundations of the character which destroy everything and just hold onto everything, I must have them destroyed, they must go.

And they are often just a few small characteristics which I see in people, and they destroy the whole personality completely.

See that castle, and the treasures of people; and if the character speaks for a moment, it is just like stockfish.

No, they are hyenas.

Human being gone, finished.

The nice part has gone.

Yes?

Sir, the example is there, isn’t it?

It was in the paper recently, that Mr Van der Bult had already had five wives, all beautiful earthly angels.

I do not know what type of person he is.

Oh well, sir, you cannot find your happiness.

And you cannot buy it either, sir.

There will probably have been something, with those five.

And that man, he is also a clumsy oaf, because the real, real personality, sir, he does not look wrongly, he does not go from one life into the other.

Do you know that?

And she is a woman, who says: ‘Oh, well, I knew my life, my husband was good.’

I can imagine that.

And that is probably the love for eternity, for the other side.

But people who now collapse here, sir, and are immediately married in three month’s time, and ‘because, well, I cannot live alone’, what kind of a personality is that?

What kind of feelings are they?

Sir, they do not know it.

If you really say for yourself: ‘I have worth, I have meaning, I possess something’, sir, you do not place that in the hands of the human being just like that, because it is destroyed.

Can you sense this?

There are sometimes people: ‘That Rulof, he has ten women.

And twenty.’

And I have children, there are ten, twenty walking around from me.

But, sir and madam, no one will get me in this world.

I am now starting to understand that I am becoming too precious.

I no longer accept that stupid chatter.

Because you put me in a prison.

I would rather go to the jungle to talk to an animal there, than to marry a princess like that with ten million.

If I could marry such frills with ten million, then I could do something anyway, sir.

Don’t you think so?

Sir, I would die.

I would go crazy.

Your thinking and feeling goes so far that you still do not even devote, still not one wrong thought for ten million.

Sir, your feeling becomes so precious, your thinking, and your love with regard to peace, quiet, well-being, evolution.

I think: those people do not know me, they do not even know who Jozef Rulof is.

But earthly love does not mean anything either, sir.

You must try and get the spiritual.

And that is again, what Christ said: love the life.

Do you see?

I talk, and you know me, but you do not know me.

You would be surprised if you were now to see, I was alone in life, how I would act.

That whole, whole mankind means nothing to me; and everything, if it concerns the life.

So you get pure spiritual thinking and feeling, from that world to here.

Can you feel that?

And from here to there, you do that.

By means of those contacts master Alcar freed me, and that went through the other side in the beginning, now to the macrocosmos.

Then to the Divine All.

Sir, then you just touch a little star, a little piece of ground, which is the earth in feeling, then you just lose that.

I have that feeling of earth in me, with the macrocosmos already there now.

I mastered that, only because I love the life.

Otherwise I would be out of it again, immediately.

They gave me a study.

Master Alcar says: ‘It is up to you to make something of it.’

He can take me along to the Divine All, but I do not have it yet.

I look just as good as you, sir.

I must earn it.

And now that I know what can be earned, I will no longer let that be rapped from my fingers by any mankind.

It is too precious.

It is wonderful.

And all of that, that precious definitely lives in your heart, under your heart.

It is your feeling.

It is your personality.

What do you want?

I would like to take the people over my knee sometime, I said to someone.

Then she says: ‘Just go ahead.’

I say: ‘Yes, but with a poker.’

Then they also liked it too.

I say: ‘But you will not like that anyway, because I will make it red-hot.’

‘Well, it still does not matter to me.’

I think: that is smart.

I say: ‘Then just add a ten guilder note.’

‘Just put the money on the stairs’, they used to say.

Oh well, sir, you understand what I mean, Mr Berends, there are some who want to be beaten.

Oh well.

‘Question is: When are those laws accepted by the day conscious self?

And which still have to become conscious?’

Just begin again with ‘A View into the Hereafter’.

Peacefully like that in the evenings, with a nice cigar, and just go through those hells again, to the heavens: wonderful, wonderful, wonderful.

Pfftt.

Just like Rosanoff: ‘Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful.

Jozef, I free, floating, flying.’

What proof, isn’t it?

The man says to me: ‘To-night, at half past three, I die.

Free now.

Master here.’

I say: ‘Gosh, gosh, gosh.’

‘Yes, all true.

Mankind, you accept.’

I say: ‘Yes, yes, yes, yes.’

I say: ‘Now just go back again.’

And then those eyes closed, those astral eyes closed again – then he became tired – master Alcar took care of him like that, and then he brought him like that to his corpse, which was dying; cancer.

What more proof do you want?

How many millions of pieces of proof are there not in the books?

The world – I told you – already had to succumb because of the money which Jeus found in the wood.

That was a piece of proof.

That was for the world: ‘Oh well.’

The people do not learn anything.

For the world, for the universities.

How could that child find that money there?

And there were so many other wonderful pieces of proof.

And whether you learn by means of a piece of proof, I do not know; but I do not think so.

And do you now change because of a piece of proof?

I now understand that Christ stopped performing miracles, and that He does not come back either to perform miracles.

Because miracles, sir, do not help you.

They go in here and out there.

We also sense them for a moment ...

You should all have been holy after ‘Jeus III.

Now, decide for yourself ...

Someone says there: ‘I have ‘Jeus III’, and I got a good beating for myself.’

And I do not want to, God save me, I do not want to make you be released.

But that man says: ‘I got a good beating there.’

I say to mankind and society: ‘Do you not have a hereafter?’

You will not have a hereafter soon.

You have nothing to do with a hereafter, do you?

Yes, it will matter to Mr Stikker whether we have a hereafter, that gentleman who has now become an ambassador in England.

Yes, indeed.

I am lying in wait to see if I can get hold of Prince Bernhard and say: ‘You also have a hereafter.’

Then he will say: ‘What do you mean?’

He would say: ‘I am being attacked in the street, lock that man up.’

I would say to the judge: ‘My lord, I only just said that he, that the prince also has a hereafter.

That is allowed, isn’t it?’

Oh, how I would like to challenge them.

But up there they are still restraining me a bit.

Aren’t they?

‘When are those laws accepted by the day conscious self?’

You will feel what you have to make conscious.

Oh well, I can continue talking about that, but I have other things to do.

Something else again: ‘Jeus finds himself on the waterfront and is about to join Mother Water’, ... that was on Scheveningen ..., ‘which would result in the material death.

And right at that moment Doctor Franz appears who takes him back to reality.

Will you explain this further?’

Sir, I wanted to go into the water.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘ ... Sunday morning ... (inaudible).’

Oh yes.

If you suddenly hear today or tomorrow: ‘Jeus is dead.

Jeus has gone.

André has gone.

Jozef walked into the water, has drowned’, that is certainly not suicide, then that is a perfectly simple passing on of me.

I can leave any day if I want.

This evening about ten o’clock I can ...

I can leave here if I want. (laughter)

(Jozef reacts to someone in the hall): Did someone get a fright there?

You see, the hells are already cracking there. (laughter)

But you can leave there irrevocably.

I wanted to leave there because I alone was fighting against the universe, the origin of the universe.

Against million, millions of worlds, spirits, feelings, worlds, personalities.

Alone.

Completely alone.

I could not talk to anyone.

No one could follow me either, because that does not work.

And then I gave it up.

I gave it up a hundred times, you know.

I stood before it hundreds of times.

And then that moaning.

And then that experiencing.

Then I left in the evening, to the pictures, quietly closed the door, then I said: ‘See you later.’

And then just through the dunes, to the harbour.

Everything, everything was open.

The night became light.

Sir, it is such a book.

Such a book, so thick, what I experienced there.

Did you also catch ...

You accept that – but did you also catch that I was standing on the promenade, and from the city someone asked: ‘Jozef, Jozef, Jozef, Jozef, Jozef, I need you’?

That came from The Hague to the promenade.

I was standing like that against the lighthouse.

Then Doctor Franz said ...

Doctor Franz was also there, because that was higher again; master Alcar could not even reach me, I did not even look at him anymore.

He says: ‘What is that then?

Can you hear that?’

I say: ‘Yes.’

You have that spiritual unity there.

If that was not true, sir ...

But I just continued.

Sir, I will tell you something else.

Doctor Franz says: ‘Jeus’, he let André go, ‘Jeus, come.

You are not so crazy after all.’

But André did not like that either.

But he said: ‘Come, then we will have a glass of beer.

And that happened.

I go to the Gevers Deynoot square there, it was summer.

And I go and sit there somewhere and I got my glass of beer.

He says: ‘We will prove to you that we are here.’

And suddenly ...

I say: ‘Now, fine.’

I am sitting looking like that, and suddenly, ‘sshht’, that beer goes down, this far.

‘That is for you.’

And then I drunk that little bit, sir, then it was as if I was drunk, but it was nothing but phosphorus.

That had dematerialized.

Then he says: ‘You are not alone in this battle.

Because it concerns us.

It is us.

And if you start ...

No one has brought this so far yet, who can stand it.

Not Ancient Egypt.

No one has come yet who has experienced the laws so deeply.’

Otherwise we would have had those books in the world, sir, wouldn’t we?

Was theosophy that far anyway?

No one has yet experienced it.

No, fine, through that, half way to Katwijk, then back.

And then to that lady there.

I talked until half past seven in the evening in order to put that matter there right.

So I had not slept all night, with a hundred million problems, and then in the morning like a lion on top of it in order to put that together, until half past seven in the evening.

And then I went home, then I went to sleep.

The following day I started again.

And then again.

Well, well, well, well.

If Our Lord has something to say, then I will kick the whole heaven to pieces.

Yes, it is true, isn’t it?

But I do not dare to say anything to Him either, sir.

I am now praying differently.

I have been asking Him lately – already during that time-: ‘Are you no longer interested in Jerusalem?

Is this Your life or ours, what we are doing here?

From who is it actually?

What are we fighting for?’

Yes, I also asked that when we, for the cosmology, when we were at the end, I crawled up the stairs to the machine, I could no longer do it, the last book and a half, then I was completely like a skeleton.

‘Are you no longer interested in Jerusalem?

And You say: ‘It is me’, and, ‘Anyone who wants to lose His life will receive Mine’.’

And if that is just nonsense ...

Well, sir, I would have thrown that whole cosmology in the ash bucket.

And yet you are still always faced with the fact: you are only a human being, you are still not Our Lord.

Yes.

So you must bow again.

Even if you are that and that, and even if you can do that, and then you get that and that and that, then you must still think: yes, I am here.

But you may say: ‘Are you no longer interested in that?’

Sir, that is already insanity.

But I wanted to have the reality.

And then that began, experiencing, experiencing, experiencing.

Through that, through that, receiving; and back home, and beginning, again, again, again, again.

A hundred thousand times again, again, again, again.

Bowing, falling, collapsing.

Yes, sir.

But you do not need to do that, for that matter.

But when you begin to ask: ‘Let me do something too’, you will already be completely destroyed tomorrow.

You will be irrevocably destroyed.

You cannot cope with that.

And you do stupid things.

I would like to warn the people, sir: keep your fingers  – you hear me say it so often – keep your fingers off gifts if they are not given to you from above.

Because you destroy so much for yourself.

People who heal ... if you hear the things then ... well.

I would be capable of blowing away their lives.

I will not do that of course.

But I see so much that they destroy for themselves, only because they reach out their hands for gifts.

If you hear those spiritualists, that loose talk.

‘Oh, they are in trance.

A minister can do it a thousand times better.

And that stops the development.

Because those spiritualists have still not earned the polite form of ‘you’.

It is just a perfectly simple chaos in that world.

Those spiritualists stop the spiritual evolution.

Those spiritualists do not want to go along, they want to make a mess themselves.

And now that Felix Ort says there: ‘Reincarnation does not exist.’

Just like that.

I have to fight against Madam Elise van Calcar, who says: ‘Reincarnation does not exist.’

We spoke to her, and she says: ‘Yes, one or two sometimes.’

Now she comes through again for the spiritualists: Elise van Calcar is now speaking this evening.

And then the same story as here.

But it is those people.

That Elise van Calcar is groaning there into infinity.

I saw Mary Baker-Eddy, met Blavatsky.

I say: ‘I have to put you all over my knee.’

Yes.

Yes.

Finally we all laid foundations.

But that Elise van Calcar is my going to pieces here for those crazy spiritualists.

They cannot accept that reincarnation.

Because Madam Elise van Calcar said: ‘Reincarnation does not exist.’

A wonderful personality, but destroys herself completely for God and the universe, the hereafter because she says: ‘Yes, reincarnation does not exist.’

Because she was also a medium.

There you are, sir.

Just you tell something nice.

But, woe betide, if it goes over the world.

All those spiritualists ...

Elise van Calcar is groaning there and is weeping there, a sorrow, because she is now attached to those unconscious spiritualists, and to her own word.

Yet I hear every day, sir, that the spiritualists say: ‘That man is crazy with his reincarnation.’

You will not get out again what happened here in this building to the spiritualists.

Imagine that those people could bow, with the theosophists, and with other people, what couldn’t we raise here for the whole world?

Sir, but that hammering which is sitting on a horse, and which is sitting there, closes its eyes, and it has nothing to eat tomorrow.

But there is just one in millions of people, but you still do not even have one good, real medium in a million, hundreds of millions, sir, because it is a rarity.

They are all born for it.

And now here, in The Hague alone, there are already five, six, seven, eight hundred walking around.

Then Harmonia asked to register you:

‘Who has that?

Who has anything?’

I did not register.

Not Seven, was also ...

Nor Akkeringa.

Then they said: ‘We will just stop.

We already have eight hundred of them; ladies and gentlemen.

And Rulof, and Akkeringa, and Mansveld, and that ...- we were recognised, those gifts – they did not even write.

Well, we know the rest.’

Eight hundred, in The Hague alone.

What a muddle.

And it goes on like that.

Just tell me something.

If you now violate yourself, if you do that, do this, do that ...

But the people who now there, in Diligentia, and all those little ones ...

You can say: ‘They do good’, sir, but they cover up, stop the evolution.

People ...

And then you can say: ‘Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Oh yes, it is also nice.’

Sir, it is wonderful.

They will come here anyway one day.

But those little ones cover up, and stop the evolution.

Because they do not come, and do not want to come to the core, to the masses.

You are in a mess.

We are too far away.

They say about me: ‘Yes, that guy is too far away.’

If you now really have contact, you are too far away.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘But actually this is the powerlessness of all those mediums ...’

Yes, they are all powerless.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Only, they are pretending.’

They could murder me, sir.

Why?

Because I have so much.

You can no longer get out of this.

And I am the only one, sir.

Not only in Europe, but also for America.

I have not yet been in those other countries.

But they are not there.

No one will get over this.

There are powers which can think cosmically, yes indeed.

But you see it.

And it is like that with everything.

Yes, I saw and felt that long ago, and I know.

I no longer make a fuss.

But what would you not be able to do?

Yes, then I would make a leap of fifteen years ahead in one day; that does not work either.

But what could you not do?

Yes.

Yes, then my dream also comes true.

Then Princess Wilhelmina will come tomorrow and say: ‘Come, you will not get two of them, but you will get ten million of them.

Now erect that beautiful little temple.’

I say: 'We will make a beautiful little thing, madam, for mankind.'

Oh yes, God, whether I think myself crazy or not, it will not help you anyway.

That will help us, because we saw that on Sunday, sir, and those twenty-five cents from you. (laughter)

Yes.

Well, sir, I experienced that as Jeus there, as André and Jeus.

In the book it is Jeus, isn’t it, it concerns Jeus.

André and Jeus, and Jozef, but André, and we succumbed there.

And we just conquered it.

I was having a lovely walk up to my knees, at half past one at night, along the sea, and then I cooled down a bit.

A lovely walk along the water.

Up to my knees in it, I also toppled over, because I ended up in a hole.

Well, then I ran back home fast.

(Lady in the hall says something inaudible.)

It all helped.

What did you say?

(Lady in the hall says something inaudible.)

No, I did not do that.

Well, Mr Berends, you know that.

And then you get here: ‘Do we have to accept that in the tone ...’

Oh, something else again.

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

‘Master Alcar could make a diagnosis by means of a telephone conversation with someone in Arnhem.

Do we have to accept that the illness processes make themselves known in the tone?’

That would be something for science.

Sir, we proved that.

The personality lives in the tone of the voice.

And the personality is ill.

It is one with the body.

This is the spiritual making a diagnosis, the spatial being one.

Master Alcar made himself one, and he drew that towards him; and then we knew it.

Try it sometime.

If you experience that unity then the life speaks to you.

The same situation as then, which master Zelanus told about, with that bow tie from that gentleman in Arnhem.

Then we came under the water.

And by means of all those great wonders I got to know the other side, sir.

Not only there, but also as a human being here.

And you can also do that.

But I will let go of you now.

If you have anything to ask later, sir, then I will be pleased to answer them.

I have here: ‘Can an anaesthetic for having teeth out cause insanity?’

From who is that?

Madam, there was a lady in Diligentia on Sunday, who had become unwell.

And that was only because she had almost the same problem as Loea (see the books ‘The Cosmology of Jozef Rulof’).

Because her child is also psychopathic.

And she experienced it badly.

And suddenly she went under, and then her legs were paralysed.

Do you know ...

I do not know whether you were there?

(Hall): ‘Yes.’

But do you know what I did during that minute?

Otherwise that lady could have gone to the hospital.

I suddenly became her legs.

I crawled into those legs.

And I made those legs taut, because she almost went through them.

I had let go of my will for a moment, I took her along.

That is strict.

If you do not understand that, then you will think: how harsh that is.

I said: ‘Now stand!’

That is a pure ...

Then we also started to work with will and hypnosis to a certain extent.

But I suddenly had to go into those legs, I saw.

And master Alcar was also there.

Because if that comes that far then it already goes upwards.

And I suddenly crawled into those legs, into that personality, I say: ‘And now stand up, now hold on and breathe.’ And immediately: ‘Hhhhh.’

Therefore a pure trance.

So I also have to start to breathe immediately.

When I come out of that trance in Diligentia, I have to start to breathe.

And that was: she had gone under in her sorrow.

And she could have lain in it for months and months, if you cannot break that.

And that is the same thing, that is not the same thing, it is the spiritual state, because of sorrow.

And this, what you mean, that is because of pain.

Because of material pain you can experience the same state, by means of which you lose the day consciousness, by means of pain.

And if you are now sensitive enough, so you are actually ...

Those people who are mediumistic or so, then they can ... they are immediately be attacked, because we live in millions, millions of worlds of people.

It is still a wonder that the human being who is open to this work, reads books, that those people are attacked so little.

You should hear about a great deal more dramas.

In a manner of speaking, you attune yourself, you start to read, and then you start to think.

And you can already see from that how blessed you already are, that you can read a book in peace.

But there are enough of them, before, there and there, who read a book, and gradually go under, and they go to a mental institution because of the book.

And then they said: ‘You see, that is all a devilish carry-on.’

(Gentleman in the hall says something inaudible.)

Oh, you hear that every day.

And that is now quite simply the sinking away of the day consciousness – feeling, sensitivity – and then someone from that world immediately crawls into you.

And then I am still surprised that there are still so few amongst us – by the way, you do not need to say that to the world – are still not round the bend, you see.

Because Jozef Rulof gets saddled with all of that.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Mr Rulof, ... (inaudible) ... a child, who has gone mad, that lasted a year, and then she went to Switzerland, and three years later she went insane again.

A child of seventeen years.’

Yes, then it is the life of feeling of course, you see, then ...

By means of taking teeth out, by means of a car, an accident, not so bad, because then it is suddenly too bad ...

(To the sound technician): Are you looking again at ...

Has that happened again now?

How fast that is going.’

Then you get collapsing because of sorrow, because of pain.

That is just the same thing, madam, as that someone comes with a red-hot poker, and he holds that against your back for a moment.

And then the collapsing from the pain.

And you are now sensitive, then someone crawls in there, into that personality, that personality is still vulnerable, and goes along.

That is a tale, a tale of woe.

And then you are possessed, and then you can be insane, already insane, because the sorrow knocks you back so deeply.

It can also be possession.

(Lady in the hall): ‘ ... in the hospital ... malaria ... and then she got a very high fever and during the fever ... and when the fever went away then she got it.’

Yes.

And the doctor does not understand that?

(Lady in the hall says something inaudible.)

The doctor cannot understand that?

Just imagine what a – yes, now I will use a nice word – what stupid dogs they are.

Stupid.

If I explain it to you then you must all say: ‘How can it be?’

How perfectly simple.

But then you can see what poor, poor little mites they are, those doctors.

If you get a fever, what happens to you then?

Then there is something dominating physically.

Well, madam, then the feeling goes along.

That fever is exactly like the shock which you get.

And then the feeling goes along, and then you are normal.

And the fever goes away, then you also sink back again.

And they do not understand that now.

The wisdom of God lies perfectly simply, childishly naively open.

If you can just see through that spirit.

Is that not enormously simple?

Did you understand it?

With the fever the child was normal.

And when the fevers went away, yes, simple, that spirit sunk away, the day consciousness was gone.

But because of fevers – that is working, isn’t it? – and because of that working the feeling goes along to the day consciousness, with the fever to the day consciousness, because fever is day consciousness.

And now you have conscious fevers, and you have unconscious fevers.

You have day conscious fevers, then the clinical picture is finished.

Did you read in ...

There are hundreds of those states.

Because I could be a good doctor, you know.

Even now.

Even better than before?

It is not possible.

But now I see extremely sharply.

With Wim, who is now a doctor in Leiden, in ‘A View into the Hereafter.’

That father, a barber, did not even have money.

I say: ‘Your son will become a doctor.’

Then he says: ‘Who will pay that?’

They were unconscious fevers, because the fever was there, but there was no clinical picture.

So the doctor searched and searched, and did not find anything.

I give a drawing, received by master Alcar: here, there, that lung, there, that point, there, there.

How is it possible?

Just take a photo.

There, there, there and there.

Then he says: ‘Well ...’

So we look through those lungs.

Still not enough proof.

The doctor says: ‘Yes, well yes, that guy can see.

That does not have to do with the other side.’

There you are again.

But when I came there, madam, prisnic compresses, first treatment ...

Madam, if you had seen that, two buckets of water came through the bed, to the ground.

And that was the lucky thing.

Then it had happened.

And then I had to leave.

‘I will not come again’, that doctor says, ‘what is that guy doing here?’

Then he says: ‘Well, doctor, now just get lost., because he saved our child.

You were searching for eight days.’

Well, sir was in a mess.

I say: ‘Just leave that man, it has happened.

It does not matter.’

But you see it.

So that doctor does not know it.

That doctor looks.

So the phenomena lie before him, that is spiritually and materially a world, a universal world, a universal unity; and they do not look through it.

Isn’t it perfectly simple?

The most amazing thing was always for me ...

If we came to a patient, and we looked there, like that, master Alcar looked: ‘Have you already seen it, André?’

Then he showed it to me.

And in this way, I could say within a second for the patient: ‘Madam, you have that and that.’

Then we did not need to begin at all.

But, ladies and gentlemen, you have the tea there, then you also have that and that.

See you soon.

INTERVAL

Ladies and gentlemen, I have here: ‘I have been following your lectures for approximately a year, and I read your books.

Up until no I have been unable to get an answer or an insight about the relationship of my children with regard to religion.

I have three children, 2, 5, 10 and 11 years old respectively.’

That is four, isn’t it?

(Gentleman in the hall says something inaudible.)

‘ ... has three children ...’

Oh, yes.

‘They go to the State School, where they also have religious education.

Should we let this continue in this way?

Or: how should we act as parents?’

From who is that?

Madam, just let them ...

You can already send them to different schools at the moment.

You also have here: ‘Also this seen with regard to the social situations like you have that in the country.

So where you cannot separate them so easily.’

No, madam, you cannot do that either.

I would give you the advice, if you a protestant or a catholic school there ...

Yes, if they go to the catholic school, again there is – we experienced that ourselves – then again there is such fear and trembling in that.

And if you start to talk and you read the books, and you start to tell the child something, then it has already happened, then they send that child away like that.

So the Catholic, that priest or that curate ...

They knocked me from the bench, and they made another one afraid, anxious, with those hells, and that being eternally damned.

If you were to send them to an independent school ...

But that is not so simple in the country, is it?

An independent school, a protestant school ...

Yes, madam, one day we will come that far, then the child will start to ask, and then you will begin.

For goodness sake take all that searching away from the child.

Just imagine for yourself: how did we begin?

It is a great sorrow, and pain, that searching for God, for the problems, and especially for fatherhood and motherhood.

Go for goodness’ sake ...

The doctors are also already talking about it now, on the radio already.

We must develop mothers and fathers, because the parents still do not even know how to tell a child: we are in such and such a situation.

That is a moan.

The fathers, the parents should now go and sit on the bench.

In order to prepare themselves for the child.

It is still not that far.

You hear it every day.

But the best thing is, madam: you let them go, and if they start to ask questions, you will begin immediately, and then you will explain it.

If they come back to school and they start to talk there, then you will get to hear as a matter of course what is the matter.

But here, there are still so many people ...

They asked me so often: ‘What should I do with my children?’

I say: ‘Send them there.

There are Catholics who also read my books.’

And then the sister said: ‘Where did you get that from?’

Because the sister told of the purgatory, and all that burning.

And then a little one of five, six years began to laugh, because father and mother read aloud to each other when the children were there.

Then she says: ‘What are you laughing at?’

Then that child says: ‘That is rubbish, isn’t it?’

Then she says: ‘How do you know that?’

Then she says: ‘From uncle Jozef.

Uncle Jozef writes books, and he knows it.’

And then the priest went to the parents.

Then the father says: ‘Yes, do you find it crazy, strange?

We still send them to you.

Just let them learn that too.

We will take care of them again.’

‘Yes’, he says, ‘also a means.’

Then the father says: ‘But surely you don’t believe either in that damnation and in that purgatory?’

Then he says: ‘Yes, it is still there, sir, but we are being a bit more liberal, but it cannot go yet, because otherwise they will walk away.

And then, yes, then, then we will have nothing more to eat.’

The people now still have respect.

That priest now also gets a nice glass of wine, only because they are afraid of him.

And when that fear has gone, then they say: ‘Yes, indeed.

Yes, indeed.

Sir, just go and work.

Just go to the farmer too.

Go to the country, and do something.’

Because bringing people to purgatory, well, that is not such an art.

Madam, I therefore advise you: just let them go, you will take care of them later.

Read the books, and you are strong yourself, and then you will know absolutely when you must start to speak with the children.

Tell them as quickly as possible ...

If they start to read just put ‘Jeus I’ in their hands.

And then you will not need to say anything else.

Then one morning they will also come charging into you and they will say: ‘Now I know everything.

You do not need to tell me anything more, do you?’

And then at the same time they will look down, to see if anything new will also come.

Mother said to me: ‘Then you are surely hungry?’

I say: ‘Yes, I am starving.’

People ...

And it is a pity.

I sent minister Spelberg and that one too ‘Jeus I’, but you see, you will not get that.

And then they have there: ‘Yes, we must, we must build up, take care of the youth.’

Sir, is there anything else more beautiful than ‘Jeus of mother Crisje I’, to let your child read?

What I just talked about, about those people, those children read ‘Jeus I’, and then that little one looked like that, quiet.

Then the father says: ‘Now she is almost there, surely?’

And the following morning, looking: ‘What is the matter?’

‘Nothing.’

In the afternoon: ‘But what is the matter?’

‘Nothing.’

But she looked very differently at father and mother.

Because she knew it at once.

She knew it at once.

And then she began to smile at once, and she went out the door.

Then he says: ‘Oh, she has started the story.’

She was five years old.

Five years old.

And so without effort, with the dog there, Fanny, and Jeus, you reach creation.

All the things a cow is good for.

As long as you look.

And they are the biggest dramas for fathers and mothers, in order to take care of the children.

Put ‘Jeus’ in their hands, and they will be so quiet, quiet.

They will lock themselves up and will immediately just read the book again in secret.

You will experience a film, and in this way they will gradually find out the truth.

You will have no battle at all.

Because suddenly they will stand before you, and they will have different lights in their eyes.

They will have suddenly become twenty years older, at least for that.

But then they will know everything, and they will no longer have a battle.

Because that is a dreadful battle, sorry.

Isn’t it, sir?

Were you also bothered by it, sir?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I was never bothered by it.’

What did you say?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I was never bothered by it.’

Oh, did you already know that so soon?

Ha ha. (laughter)

That is also the best thing there is, sir, but there are others walking around stammering.

They just stand in the street stammering.

It is an enormous battle in the world, and especially in Europe.

It is much easier in the jungle, because those children there experience everything.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

But it is precisely ...

(Jozef also reacts to someone): What?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘They see it just like that there.’

They are standing on top of it.

But that horrible unconscious West here, and ‘is that allowed?’ and ‘is that not allowed?’

‘And then you make the children impure.’

Then they know too much.

God, if we had told everything to Crisje, she would have collapsed.

We were already looking so soon.

Bernard said ...

Bernard, tell it.

(There is warm laughter)

Bernard said: ‘Yes, do you think I am mad.’

Then he says: ‘Just go to Johan.’

When I think back on those stories from before, I still laugh myself silly.

And Johan was already older, wasn’t he, he knew it all.

Then you had to lay it on thick with sir.

I thought: Now ...

Later – I already told you, he is here this evening, he thinks ... – when he asks me something at this moment then I will also let him wait for four days.(laughter)

But Bernard ...

‘Bernard, why is mother getting so fat?’

‘What?’

Then I had just had an argument with him, you see.

And then I was completely out of it.

When I read ‘Jeus I’, I still enjoy every minute of it.

This afternoon I was also reading it.

I say: ‘Bernard, Bernard’, I say, ‘Bernard, why is mother getting so fat?’

‘You should just ask Johan.’

I go to Johan.

Him?

Johan. (laughter)

Yes, madam, that is still all for your children, you know.

He immediately looked down at me from space.

I say: ‘Well?

Well, say it.’

‘You should just look out of your own head’, he says.

I say: ‘And I have already been looking day and night, and I still do not know anything. (laughter) ‘I have been looking for a fortnight, Johan, and I don’t know anything.’

Then he says: ‘Then you should just look for longer.’

I was reading this afternoon, and I had a wonderful few hours.

I laughed myself silly at Bernard because he was so cheeky.

I still enjoy every moment of it.

Why would a child not experience that, mother?

Put ‘Jeus I’ in their hands.

Then you will also have a nice colour.

Yes.

(You hear the rain outside.) Our Lord is dividing himself.

And you can only take care of that if you have an umbrella with you, madam.

But Our Lord is now dividing himself.

Do you see?

Creation began in this way.

I will just continue again.

I have here: ‘‘A View into the Hereafter, part II’, page 141, it concerns the consequences of cremation there.

‘Those who pass over and who still have pink cheeks, which people can see so often,’ ... and that is true, ‘ ... find themselves in that terrible situation.

The material has been abandoned by the life,’ or the life is free from the material, ‘the spirit body has freed itself from the material garment, and the life aura keeps the discarded garment alive.’

Question: ‘This keeping the discarded garment alive for a long time, does that point to a certain mentality, for example, to a being tied to earth?’

Madam, those people, that personality is still attached to that body.

So, that body still cannot die normally, and is still fed by the life, the spirit, because no separation has come yet.

Because an absolute dying ...

But you can also have that, not every body passes immediately into dying.

A seriously ill patient, for example, a body which has suffered a lot, passed immediately into rotting.

And that is the dying off.

And you also have situations where people, bodies, only die off after two, three days, four days, the coffin is already in the grave.

You do not even see that anymore.

But you still see that ...

You can then say ...

You sometimes hear that: ‘It is as if they are sleeping.’

And that is the sleeping, that is the aura which still feeds the tissue, because there is still unity.

Because the spirit, the life of feeling, the personality is still not free from the material.

Is that clear?

(Lady in the hall says something inaudible.)

That is because of the life which you have had.

(Lady says something else inaudible.)

Yes, if you have had a difficult, terrible life – that does not even need to be so terrible – but then you are not free just like that.

Because then that state still holds me.

I just lived it up, and did all those other things, lied and cheated, and hated, and all those other things, that is already the life of feeling and the personality.

But if we touch the body, we touch other laws, then I will not be free of that body at once.

Even if I have to go back to the earth, that state, that dying there, will still hold me for a while.

It can even be two, three, four weeks.

And then I will also already go into the grave; even if I do not experience the rotting then, because if you experience the rotting, then you are completely in that.

But now you are out of that.

You stand next to that, and you can already go where you want.

Yes, you will feel, you are sucked back, something pulls you back.

And that is still the state, the being one with that body.

And this is why you see, if someone dies, then you also sometimes see those pink cheeks.

And then it is always, usually suspicious.

But I have also experienced people, madam, and then it was a spiritual colour.

Then you should also be able to see through that.

I say, I came somewhere ...

Good grief, I think, that does not look great either.

Then master Alcar says: ‘Wait a moment, can you see that?’

‘Yes.’

And then we went to check that, and then it was something else.

Then it was a real abundance of feeling with regard to above, and that referred to the body, you see, it referred to the body.

So the body also took something of that sacredness with it.

And that was really passing away.

(Lady in the hall says something inaudible.)

What did you say?

(Lady in the hall): ‘ ... not wanting to die?’

No, yes, not wanting to die ...

You have no say in it.

There are thousands of people who are afraid of death, and thousands, just say, almost, here in the city ...

Oh well, who knows something about the life, who surrenders.

But we also have people here under me, and they are still walking everywhere, who read books, and they are still afraid of that death.

Because they still do not know all the things which happen.

Because that is purely the world of feeling, the consciousness of the human being which dies, which experiences the dying.

You do not experience the dying according to the body.

Isn’t that nice?

But you experience the dying.

That body goes of its own accord.

But you are the one who dies, and not the body.

That had to ... something else for the world.

‘The human being dies’, people say, yes.

Yes, then they think of the corpse.

They think of that material being, but science and mankind actually still know nothing abut that spiritual dying.

What do people here in Europe know about spiritually dying?

Isn’t it true?

Nothing.

Mr engineer?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘People say: the spirit does not die, the spirit is immortal, the body dies.

And now the body does not die, and then the spirit dies.

Yes.

I cannot understand that.’

No.

That is not possible either.

The body dies, I say, and the spirit does not.

But you die, because you are the one who experiences the dying.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Well, then you have worked it out, haven’t you?

The body dies.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

And that means nothing.

That does not actually die, no.

Why does that die?

Because you leave it.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Do you know it now?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

So you are the one who brings the dying to revelation.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Oh well, yes.’

Yes, but that’s it.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘’Yes, now you say it differently again.’

No, I said exactly the same thing. (laughter)

Do you see?

And then they say: ‘Oh, that is not possible.’

But sir, do you feel ...

This is why I say: ‘The university still does not know that.’

Most people say: ‘Yes, that man died.’

But when we start to see it cosmically, then they also purely go into the grave with that man.

We go out of there, after all, don’t we?

But the body dies.

But that does not die, sir.

Yes, rotting, of course.

But we are not talking about that.

The actual dying process, we are that ourselves.

And now you die spiritually.

And spiritually dying, sir ...

They laugh at me!

And how simple it is.

The body goes down, goes into the grave; from material to material.

But we ...

That lady comes there with the question: why do those people, that corpse, still have colours?

That is, I say, because there is still being one with the spirit.

So the spirit is busy freeing itself.

Freeing itself if the dying for the spirit, the releasing from the material.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘The second death.’

And they call that the Grim Reaper.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘The second death.’

The second death.

And now I also have another dying, sir.

There is another dying.

Now you will say, when we begin now with cosmology, then you will say: ‘Well, that body has died.’

You die there; you experience the dying, because that is the wisdom for you, it is evolution.

It is now reincarnation for the spirit.

And then you get your reincarnation for the material.

But now you also have spiritual dying off on the other side.

That is also there.

A human being has love.

I will explain it to you at once, how wonderful, clear and natural that is.

There are people, you have, for example – you hear that in society – you have someone whom you love a great deal, and he pulls your leg (cheats you), he hits and kicks; then those feelings start to die.

That is pure dying.

Recently in Amsterdam someone comes to me, and that man had tyrannized his wife terribly, for years.

I say: ‘What will you do?’

Yes, now they are weeping again, now they have run away. And now they know how well off they were.

I say: ‘Yes, that is your business.

I do not dare to say anything, because then you will begin under my power.’

I must be so careful with words, with advice.

They want advice from me, but then I may not say anything.

If I say: ‘Yes ...’

I can immediately say: ‘You may do that, you can do this.’

Can’t I?

And then they do it.

I am responsible.

But I may not do that, because then they will not learn anything.

Master Alcar taught me that.

And that is a divine law.

But now you get that dying.

Then she says: ‘Yes, but, that beautiful thing, which I felt a moment ago, that is pure dying.’

Also died.

And in this way so much dies in the human being.

And that is only because of that man, who beheaded, tortured, beat, kicked that love completely, and there it is this and there it is that.

That was consciously destroyed before your eyes.

There is not a foundation left of it.

She says: ‘It has purely died, because even if he weeps himself to death, I do not like him anymore.

I also feel, I did it, I could have done it, for years, five, six, seven or ten times, but I managed it.’

And you all feel that, and that is now, I can also tell you, cosmic again, that is the spiritual death of something.

Of something.

And then you also get the spiritual dying with regard to the body, madam, and then those colours go down.

And then the spirit withdraws itself.

And then it is purely materially and spiritually dying; killing.

Isn’t it simple, sir?

Good.

Do you know when I, when you learn something from me, sir? Do you know what I have learned the most from?

When we went hand in hand through the graveyards, went to visit corpse after corpse.

We crawled under, we descended into a graveyard ... and I was in ‘s-Heerenberg , because I saw Tall Hendrik lying in the grave.

If you read that in part III, we went back, and then I saw mother and Tall Hendrik there again, but I also saw him lying in the grave.

And suddenly father was standing next to me.

I say: ‘Father!’

He says: ‘Yes’, he says, ‘what do you think of my legs?’

I say: ‘They are still just as long as they were there.’

Not one bone from him had been carried away.

But he did not have drop of flesh anymore on his bones.

I say: ‘What a nice hole you have in your head.’

But then you are standing next to the spirit, then you suddenly learn that, and then you know that.

And then the really spiritual beauty stands, that image of that Tall one which he is now, a young man of twenty-eight years old, with those same sparkling eyes, only his moustache had become a bit smaller, stands next to you.

He says: ‘Otherwise I will go past Our Lord, because that moustache is so big, but I may have just a small one.’

And then you can also make fun and then you can also think.

Everything is absolutely just human, earthly.

But the corpse lies there, but you are standing next to it.

And the wisdom lives there.

Because you yourself are the wisdom and the universe.

And if you then go through all those corpses there, those bones and bone splinters, and you see those skulls, and then you go and sit next to a grave like that, especially if you have known that person, and then you say: ‘Fusspot, then you were a real fusspot, what do you still have to say now?’

And then, just believe it, sir, then the heads go down.

And it is quiet there under the ground, sir.

Quiet.

You could hear a pin drop.

And I was not afraid at all.

I looked like that into the thin face of a skull.

And I knew who it was, because the moustache had gone.

Yes, his moustache was still lying next to him.

The hairs were also still lying there.

How you will dream tonight.

You must dream through that.

If you want to experience something, you must really go to a tomb like that, and mutter, become a bit afraid.

But then you must see the reality next to it, and yet they say: ‘Ugh.

There is something on my back.’

Are you afraid anyway?

No, but then you see the reality.

You go through that, and you crawl through that, and then you go through a hundred million graves, and then you see nothing else but skulls and bones.

And the real human being, mother, is standing next to that, if you have light, if you are good, sweet, affectionate, nice.

Isn’t it true, mother?

Yes, you see.

We will enjoy that.

That is at least worthwhile.

And that is all connected to spiritual and material dying.

But I learned the most from that, sir.

The human being who knows you, you still see them lying there, and then they must ... there ...

Where are they?

They cannot be found.

Can you find even more of them?

Yes.

We can find all of those who are on the other side.

And we take on a good pace, a concentration.

‘Just hold onto me’, master Alcar says.

And then you go like a hurricane.

Within a second you are standing on the other side?

No, sir, that moves itself up like that, and the world changes, and then looking again, adjusting, and there, now, they are walking there, they are there; with sandals.

There are also some, they then stand in front of a mirror, they are still standing combing their hair.

And there is a man, who also asks: ‘Do you have a bit of tobacco for me?’

He also still had his pipe in his pocket.

That is not much cop.

That is not a great consciousness, because they are attached to the tobacco, and they hold onto this, and this, and that, and the whole world, madam.

And if you experience that on earth, and those people die, and all those thousands of longings, madam, because of which they are still attached to the earth, to that material body and life, all of that causes those colours.

Do you know it now?

You see, and you can learn from that.

I have here: ‘page 144, André is there with master Alcar in the awakening sphere.’

Yes, ‘then many beings float past them ...’

If you were to see the universe, madam, in society, you can already see that here too, millions of beings float past me, float past you, and no one sees them.

That is here too.

‘Then many beings float past them, and master Alcar explains that they are the helping spirits from higher regions.

Fathers and children, brothers and sisters together, all from higher spheres, conscious worlds, in order to help, they descend for this purpose.’

And now you ask: ‘Do children also help in the lower spheres?’

No, madam.

No, madam.

What has a child to ...

On the other side you have children, you know that, in order to grow up.

A short time, a long time.

According to the life of feeling ...

If a child has reached the hereafter, and it does not go back to the earth.

The majority of the children must all go back, back to the earth.

That is a destroying, do you sense it?

That is not normal.

A child dies; that is not normal, because a normal life, a normal birth gets time to grow.

If a child still has to die, that is all still destruction.

All chaos, chaos.

That is all subconscious.

Or, that child, that soul, is another personality, and must continue.

And if it is already in the happiness, then it is no longer necessary either, because you do not learn anything here on earth anyway.

The human being only makes a fuss in order to learn something socially, but the human being learns nothing spiritually.

And then you should see: when does something remain in you and behind you, here on earth, if you put those feelings and thoughts for which you work and live, if you put that on a weighing scale?

And then you should see, then you can see absolutely: there are thoughts there which have light.

And everything in that is complete darkness.

And then you just see a few of those little sparks, and that is you yourself.

They belong to you.

You take that with you for your spirit.

That is true, isn’t it?

Good deeds are part of your personality, so that personality has already built itself up.

But what do we master in such a short life?

If you see and hear that people ...

Twenty years old is still nothing, and thirty years old means nothing either, because it is only between forty and fifty years old that we begin to think humanly.

Just work it out for yourself, you can still not do anything with a human being of thirty and thirty-five years old, you must first be over that forty years.

And then that personality appears.

And then you get to see such fanaticism.

What still used to go smoothly, getting off something, for example.

Then you say: ‘Well, why are you doing that?’

‘Oh well, you are actually right.’

But you no longer get that after forty years.

Because then the human being opposes it.

Then everything is adult and conscious.

And then you stand before the naked personality.

Isn’t it extremely difficult to make it clear to a human being, with faith ...

What a chaos there is, and what war there is, only just through two people; he likes that and he likes that, and then you already have discord.

The marriage is completely destroyed, only because of a God.

Both yearn, he follows this, he follows that, and she follows this, and she has that, and that does not reach unity, because they flatly refuse to experience one God.

Arguments.

Yes?

This is why it is so amazing.

I would like to exclaim to young people: ‘For goodness sake, use your eyes.

If you could take something here from me, then take one.

Because then at least you will both be standing on ‘The Peoples of the Earth.’

But woe betide, if the other one stands on the bible, on the Old Testament, then you will be sorry.

Can you sense it?

Two boxers: wonderful, sir, as long as you are fortunate.

What they make of it is up to them.

Take two people ... that Fanny Blankers-Koen; well, her husband trains her, she runs. (laughter)

She runs.

And he says: ‘Well done, child.

Now that too.

Great.’

Yes, and then ...

When she has run well, they kiss each other.

Did you think that that kiss by those two is not nice?

Puh, Luc van Dam started to box, and she sat by the ring: ‘Come on, Luuk, hit out, hit out!’

And in the evening those two just went home.

They were happy.

And now you get wisdom.

You get painters.

You get artists, actors.

What can an actor hope to achieve with a runner?

Then she says: ‘Yes, there is someone, he is standing there, and he has this the whole day.’

A minister, well, and another is an acrobat.

How can a minister marry an acrobat?

She hangs up there in the circus, and he hangs between life and death. (laughter)

Well, ladies and gentlemen, you will sense ...

Yes, it is true, isn’t it?

It is the truth, isn’t it?

A minister cannot, but he cannot marry an acrobat.

Yes, he hangs between life and death.

But he looks for Jehovah in the spatial circus.

And she is an acrobat.

Oh well.

And do you know what he said?

He says: ‘I must go to the church, I must pray.’

And then she says: ‘And I must study.’

Well, and she hangs up on the climbing rack, and he went into the sky.

Arguments.

Arguments, sir.

That does not work.

Or did it work? (laughter)

I just want to say this, if you start to think it through ...

For example, recently someone comes to me ...

There it is already, I still have to finish that letter.

But it is all connected with it anyway, sir.

... and he says: ‘Yes, yes, yes, those parents do not like me, because I am a Protestant, and the girl is a Catholic, but we love each other.’

I say: ‘Come on man, watch out.’

‘Oh yes?’

Good.

But, it was in his head, wasn’t it?

Then that father says: ‘Nothing can be done with that, because ...’

I say: ‘Bring him along sometime.’

I say: ‘You have experienced lectures by me, haven’t you?’

‘Yes.’

I say: ‘You are already so priceless at the moment that you know this.

You already have so much.’

A boy of twenty years old.

I say: ‘You already have so much.

Lectures, you have read the books, you have heard the lectures by the masters.

And now you have a girl.

Good.’

I say: ‘And now you will look there.’

I say: ‘Cooing?

Pfftt, they can coo everywhere.’

I say: Ask whether she also likes those books.’

I say: ‘And if she does not like them, sir, run away.

See that you leave.’

‘Oh’, he says, ‘I will try that.’

He was sitting with a book.

‘What are you reading there?

Are you also taking part in those crazy things?’

Then he thinks: you should try telling me that again.

Second time: ‘You should read that.’

‘Yes, indeed, I am crazy, that devilish carry-on?’

Then he says: ‘I already know it.

It is over.’

Put it behind him.

Then he says: ‘Father, just do not worry, because I have written her off.’

I say: ‘Sir, there you are now.’

The human being searches, searches, searches.

But sir, if the human being ...

Imagine how stupid we are at the age of twenty, twenty-five.

You still cannot think, because you are not adult.

And master Alcar sometimes says: ‘The human being must actually first be thirty years old in order to marry.’

Sir, we must begin with fifteen years in order to build up the character.

Because ten years of happiness have gone, twenty years of happiness have gone.

And really, if you both stand on ‘The Peoples of the Earth’ and he stands on ‘A View into the Hereafter’ and ‘Between Life and Death’; sir, those are a few foundations which are as sound as a bell, and you pick up a great deal, a great deal by them.

Because we see it with the adults, sir.

Don’t we?

Well, I would just say to the young people: ‘You must coo much more here.’

Imagine, Bernard, we should have known that before, you know.

We should have known that before, then we would not have cooed on the wrong path.

How stupid we are and all the things we still have to learn, sir.

Did you not read that there, when Bernard came to me in Arnhem?

Then he says: ‘How they took us for a ride.’

And then he says: ‘Oh well, we were still able to coo for ten minutes.’

He perhaps does not even like that, but I will say it anyway. (laughter)

Well, fair is fair, Bernard, fair is fair.

But it is about that, ladies and gentlemen.

I will just continue again.

But it is all part of it.

Look, madam, and then of course you get, you are talking here about the children, that the old and the adult being still do all that talking and all that thinking.

That is exactly the same here on earth as on the other side.

We must begin here.

That question from you: ‘Do children also help in the lower spheres?’

And then I picked up speed there again, and then I come back to the older being as a matter of course.

But here it is the experiencing of those laws.

That we arrive there as a child means again of course, I explained that to you, is still a gap; or it is a child, or it is a consciousness and a life of feeling which already has to do with the other side.

(Lady in the hall says something inaudible.)

And then I will tell you something nice, madam, and that is also there.

If you now soon ...

Yes, then it will perhaps no longer be necessary.

But here – there are still always mothers who have lost a child – here is also a lady who has lost her child, other people have lost it.

If you could now experience that, if you also went along immediately.

Bu then the child must be taken care of there, and you also by someone else, because you have another consciousness, and you get exactly that feeling next to you, as you feel yourself.

In other words: your child is taken care of there by another personality.

And when you come there later then that child is already at peace.

At least when the child, at least when that soul dies as a child and continues, five, six, seven years.

Then it is already an adult.

And then they must go back again to the last, in order to show: ‘Yes, mother, I have also grown.’

And that is also logical, if a child of yours of seven years old goes away, and in forty years’ time you come on the other side, then that child will also be old and adult.

And there you are very old; if you do not have any feeling, any love and any space, you are ancient there.

If you have light then you descend immediately to the being a child, the youthful, and then you reach twenty-five, twenty-eight.

There are masters there ... if you were to see master Alcar now, then he is a boy of twenty-eight years old, thirty years old, with an immensely wise face, of course.

An immense consciousness comes from those eyes.

But the child grows up, and it can take years and years, then it is still a child, because then that life of feeling still has to awaken.

So according to your feeling ... and that is also exactly the same thing the people here experience.

You, you are adult.

One comes into it, another cannot come into it, and another says: ‘Yes, I do not understand what is so difficult now.

Why is that so difficult?

I understand that immediately.’

And another plods away with that for months and months and years, and just does not come into it.

And that is again, the sensitivity of your life of feeling for that and that and that.

Do you understand this?

Is this clear?

(Lady in the hall): ‘ ... children were there who descend?’

Then they let ...

When a child, a child, is released from you, your child is attached to the mother and to the father, but especially to the mother, and it goes into the coffin, the child becomes free, then you cannot bring that child in the spheres to peace just like that.

And then people take the child along, when they are already strong – that is only possible when they can deal with that, people see that in that feeling, and in the radiance of the child – then people definitely take the child along to the source where the state lives.

And a child is not such a child anymore, madam, to not go into that, because it immediately sees the mistakes, and then the master can deal with that, or the mother who brings that child to evolution, and then that child gets to see purely why it is sad.

And then it sinks away.

Then he says: ‘Mother will come soon.’

And when more wisdom comes into that child soon, into that feeling, then the master says: ‘You must love universally and then ... because I will also show you another mother.’

And that is already a mother who is standing next to it, and then that child gets to see the reincarnations, and then she is standing before ten, twenty, hundreds of mothers.

And you get to see the more you can let go of that one mother.

If you do not become detached and free from your own mother of the earth, then you will remain poor.

Won’t you?

You must learn to love universally.

And people then teach a child that.

Clear?

Good.

And that is nice work, madam, taking care of children.

But then the nicest work is actually ...

Here it is not nice, because I can bark myself to death, and I can explain everything to you, but there we stand – you see, what I told you a moment ago – in a lovely way, there we stand above a grave, and we descend into it, and we see the corpse lying there, the bone splinters and the bones, and the skull, we give that skull a stroke, and you no longer hear any barking, they do not bite, do not hit, do not kick, and the human being learns from that.

And then the human being eats from your hand, people say.

I said to my wife this week ...

Oh, I began at once to laugh, then she says: ‘What are you laughing at?’

Then she said ...

‘Oh, oh, oh’, I say, ‘how I will get them soon ‘behind the coffin’.

One by one ...

Then she says: ‘What a hateful way you are saying that ...’

Then I say: ‘I am not saying that in a hateful way at all.

But I know all of you will experience that soon.

I am already having fun with it now.’

I know how those heads go down.

And how they are there: ‘Oh oh oh, just come back and help me now, and help me now’, and I already know that.

I know exactly what all of you will get soon; and I am having fun with that.

That is the only pleasure which I have.

Why not?

(Lady in the hall): ‘If I hear someone laughing, then I will say: “Hey, Jozef Rulof.”’

(There is warm laughter.)

Yes, indeed.

Yes, madam, yes.

My wife says one afternoon: ‘If it is not true, then I will drag you there by your hair.’

I say: ‘Child, then there will be nothing to drag.’

‘If it is not true, all the things you are telling me, then I will drag you there by your hair.’

I say: ‘Child, then there will be nothing to drag.’

If it does not exist there will be nothing to drag.

(Lady in the hall): ‘No.’

Very simple.

Yes, I will never agree with her, will I?

Yes, it is not easy either, madam, it is certainly not easy.

But that’s it.

But then you can laugh?

Yes.

Then Our Lord gets such a lovely feeling.

He says: ‘On earth they could beat Me and nail Me to the cross.

But there they can no longer do it.’

And then you stand next to the human being, and then they eat from your hand, if they want to learn.

That which lives under there, what under there in those ...

Just go down, some hundreds and thousands, millions of men and women live there, and there even deeper, even deeper, oh God, sir and madam, they strangle you, and they suck you empty like that.

We are not even talking about that.

But we are talking about us.

We already want to do a little bit.

Eh.

What a club we have standing there for ourselves.

A little club like that.

But I will continue, because I am not there yet.

I would like to tell those jokes along with it.

I must see that I talk that skeleton away again this evening, do you see?

Because you will dream anyway.

Tonight you will get the creeps.

And if that boss of yours does not sleep well, I will be saddled with it again.

Someone came.

Someone who had experienced a nice evening, but she should have laughed there, but there was also a fear, and then she had come like that.

Then he would have hit his fist against the bed.

And then he says: ‘Now it is done with.

Because you are already getting the creeps now.’

Then she says: ‘I did it from happiness, husband, because I thought that I had wings.’ (laughter)

Then she says to me the following day: ‘But it was not like that.

I saw that corpse at once in front of me.’

I say: ‘There you are.’

And then she just made that out of it, didn’t she?

Then he says: ‘Oh well, just go ahead.’

Yes.

‘On page 139 of that same book.’

Yes, you are taking me there yourself, I cannot help it.

‘In the dark spheres ...,’ there it is again, ‘ ... where André was attacked, he asks master Alcar: ‘Did you live here?’

The answer is: ‘I accept that all of us, whoever it is, have lived in these states.’

Question: Does master Alcar mean that all people must experience the dark spheres?’

Madam, we have had a hundred million lives.

Should I spoil your food tomorrow again?

Then I must go into the soup, into the pot again with you, because we were cannibals.

Cannabals or cannibals?

(Hall): ‘Canni ...’

A canis.

Yes, we have a human being ...

Yes, we murdered, committed arson, we are just out of it, madam, we are still busy with it, spiritually.

But you have not yet lived in that darkness.

But why not?

(Lady in the hall says something inaudible.)

What did you say?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Otherwise I would still be there.’

Yes, there you have it now, otherwise she would still be there.

Then she would not be here.

(Lady in the hall): ‘No.’

Am I a nice schoolmaster, sir?

I sometimes wanted to be a real schoolmaster, because I also made the children laugh sometimes.

You will never experience misery with me, sir, because I am not it myself.

You must first make sure that you ...

I told you recently, gentlemen, I make my wife laugh every day once or twice.

Yes, she must also wait for it sometimes.

But now I am already four weeks ahead.

So I can now say nothing for four weeks.

But, sir, it is that.

That is the fun, madam, that is the happiness, the tingling of your own personality.

I told you recently, I have to laugh at all that misery, which is not there, I have to laugh at that.

And then I also have another image immediately, and then I just continue with it.

You are becoming comical.

You are becoming tingling happiness as a matter of course.

I am happy, I am always happy.

Even if I say so myself.

When I was walking there on the beach, sir, I was still happy.

Because that was not misery.

That was only the fighting in order to ... that sun, it was busy with me and the moon and the cosmos.

I could laugh again within two minutes just like that.

I was also laughing inside.

But here it concerned seriousness, in order to definitely grow.

And that fight, sir ...

Hahaha, then I laugh, I am still laughing about it now.

But soon that moon says: ‘Wait, then we will get that loudmouth again.’

And now I say: ‘Go to hell, mother.’

If you enter ‘The Cosmology’ soon ...

Oh no, that has already happened, in the first part, you heard that in Diligentia.

I almost walked into the Suezkade.

And when I was standing there, I say: ‘Dirty ugly bitch, you are letting me drown.’

Then she says: ‘Bitch?’

I say: ‘Yes.’

Then she says: ‘Yes, André, but how can you say that now?’

That was ...

I would have drowned.

I would have clearly drowned.

‘Suicide’, they say.

No, sir, the universe absorbs you.

But at once I called her a ‘dirty bitch.’

Because she said that she was mother, didn’t she?

Well, I didn’t think she was very nice in that.

And then I called her a ‘dirty bitch’.

And someone who does not understand that, says: ‘Hey, that Rulof said that to water.

That is a bitch, he says, that is a woman.’

Sir, just come, then we will explain it to you.

You all have to go through that.

And, madam, that is exactly the same for this.

You see, that is thinking, thinking, thinking, and experiencing.

I wanted to present you with the question; you have not been there yet, madam, because otherwise you would not be here, but then you would live in the astral world.

(Lady in the hall): ‘They say that from death you can go up then back to the earth again.’

Yes.

Yes, yes.

Yes, but then you would have something else, then you would not be sitting there, but then you would be standing here.

If you have not reached that first conscious world, sphere, well madam, then they still do not need you for the hells, because then you do not know it yourself.

So you come from a source which you have mastered, and then it is already: do you have the feeling in order to be born?

I was ahead of a hundred million men.

Because of Egypt.

And that is also very simple.

We were there with a few people in Isis, weren’t we?

In those temples.

And that in comparison to the whole world.

Those few people.

So just one who is finished there, because we experienced occult laws and those other people did not?

So those people who really possess something here, all come from that time.

There are those followers who then read a book there and there, and then they also begin.

Just let them get on with it.

But you were there.

And then you also get here: ‘In the dark spheres where André was attacked, he asks master Alcar: ‘Did you live here?’’

Yes.

I have answered that now.

The answer is ...

You see.

‘Does master Alcar mean this: that all people must experience the dark spheres?’

You have an incredible blessing in this life at the moment: we will now hear about that.

Sir, that is just short, you know.

Imagine what those people there, from Jerusalem, from Christ, that and that time, but all those centuries, and those hundreds of thousands of centuries ...

But now take, for example, just two thousand years, from Christ to now, what do people know about a hereafter?

Go and talk in the city, sir, they will still laugh at you.

(The sound technician): ‘About three minutes.’

About three minutes?

Good grief.

You see, that is the development, isn’t it?

‘Can a better world actually come?’

Madam, now you are talking, now I must give you a slap on the wrist, because you have read ‘The Peoples of the Earth’.

Haven’t you?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Yes, and then just read it again, because it is in there.

(Jozef reads): ‘When the human being has completed his cycle, or when he is spiritually that far, he will not come back again.’

You know that too.

‘The less good always remain behind, and can they build up a better society?’

The evolution of the peoples of the earth has been analysed in ‘The Peoples of the Earth’.

Hasn’t it?

Ladies and gentlemen?

(Hall): ‘Yes.’

You see.

Read that.

I also have here: ‘page 140.

Here it talks about the life aura which supports the spirit upon its arrival in the hereafter.

It says: several spirits take away from the material body,’ you can also read that again in ‘A View into the Hereafter’, ‘after five and seven days the life aura, when the material transfers into the first stage of decomposition.’

Yes, madam.

It can also take longer, it depends on the attunement of the human being.

I explained to you.

Is that true?

‘Does it mean that after his passing over the human being sometimes also five and seven days ...’

I explained that to you with the first question.

Clear?

Thank you.

I also have here: ‘We come from the All-Source, and go back to the Divine All.

Have we changed in that period?’

From who is that?

H‘ave we changed in that period?’

Madam, read: ‘The Peoples of the Earth’, ‘A View into the Hereafter’, ‘The Cycle of the Soul’, ‘Between Life and Death.’

‘Have we changed in that ...’

I have been telling you the whole evening about those jobs and matters and laws.

You are God there, now as mother.

You also become a man.

And have you changed?

You have had millions of lives on earth.

And what change do you wish to see in yourself?

You are already busy at the moment, you live in The Hague, you read books by the masters, and you do not live in the jungle.

So you are already on your way to reaching growth.

Is that clear?

(Lady in the hall): ‘ ... with the first division.’

The first division on the moon, when you began in the embryonic life?

What do you want to know about that, madam?

(Lady in the hall): ‘ ... All-Source.

And we go back to the All-Source.’

Oh yes.

But then you must wait until the lecture in Diligentia, because we will begin with that.

Can you not come on Sundays?

(Lady in the hall says something inaudible.)

Why not?

(Lady in the hall says something inaudible.)

That is a pity.

But read ‘The Peoples of the Earth’, the beginning, it begins like that.

Doesn’t it, the first chapters of ‘The Peoples of the Earth’.

This is why you get the beginning of creation.

In order to be able to analyze, to want to analyze the peoples, I must absolutely give you the beginning, otherwise the human being will still not know it.

Master Alcar had to go back, master Zelanus had to go back to the beginning of creation in order to analyze the peoples of the earth, for Adolf Hitler.

Otherwise the people would not have understood that.

It is something.

Yes, madam, I must give lectures during that time on Sundays, otherwise ...

If you also need a babysitter sometime, I will baby-sit. (laughter)

But then I will have an argument with those other people.

Yes.

(Jozef reads): ‘Where do those bad tendencies come from?

They must then be present in the core in us anyway.’

In the divine core we are as white as crystal.

In our deep divine core, madam, we are all as pure as gold.

But what is gold?

But we have built up a character, and that personality from now, which we now are, still does not want to.

And that is not bad.

You must never be bad to a human being.

Even if they still go against the divine grain so much.

You must, I say, love the life.

Yes, you do not need to embrace a murderer.

And there is someone who says: ‘Say, eh, I must have that money from you’, and all those other things.

You do not need to yearn for that at all.

We are not talking about that either.

It concerns, to gauge the life and to love the human being with whom you are involved.

‘Good day, madam’, you just say.

Be very polite, it does not cost anything anyway.

It is up to the human being what he makes of it.

I never pay any attention to the human being, what they think of me, as long as I make sure what I am.

And then you start to think.

Now you are still a human being, but we go back to the All-Consciousness.

Therefore you are busy.

For me there are no sins on earth.

For me there are also no bad people either, madam.

Yes, I will also tell you, I do not associate with jailbirds, with thieves and murderers and everything.

I want nothing to do with that grade of life, that character.

I look for my peace, my own colour.

And then you have peace.

And that is very simple.

(To the sound technician): ‘Sir, do we still have a few minutes?’

What a skinflint he is, isn’t he?

When it comes to time, he has no more time.

Oh well, what does that thing mean.

When it comes to it, sir, then you have nothing else for us.

Sir, checkmate.

Madam, that does not matter to me.

I look for my peace.

I will tell you, if my own blood, my own life, and my own that, does not want to; sir, madam, you will go to pieces anyway.

If your child does not want to, madam, then it will go to pieces anyway and ‘it will be destroyed’, people say.

Yes, you are weeping.

I do not even weep anymore.

Because it is a personality.

I know, that child, that soul has known millions of lives and is now busy evolving; by means of evil, by hitting his head, going to pieces, the human being will have to change.

And it is true, isn’t it?

Therefore there are no sins for me.

For the cosmos there are no sins.

And then you say: ‘Stealing is a sin, cursing is a sin.’

We cursed enough here in the evenings last year, and nothing happened.

Nothing happened.

We are still busy.

(Someone laughs.)

Yes.

What are you laughing at?

It is true, isn’t it?

We cursed here.

Someone said: ‘what is a curse?’

I say: ‘Yes, then you must not get a shock, but now I will curse.’

And a woman: ‘Eh, hey.

Yes, it sounded harsh.’

I say: ‘What?’

There you have it again, that does not exist.

You do not need to do it.

But it concerns, madam, how we now start to experience the life.

Now that we know this, now we are starting to think and feel differently, we start to act differently, and we take ourselves to that state of purity, which Frederik talks about in ‘Masks and Men.’

And then we get awakening, growth, love, life and happiness.

And now I will stop.

I cannot put it as well as master Zelanus, but it is exactly the same.

Ladies and gentlemen, see you next week.

I hope that you are now beginning to think.

Mr Berends, the next questions: What is feeling?

What is soul?

What is spirit?

What is life?

And what is the personality?

I will be pleased to do that, because then I can tell something different.

And then we will get depth.

If you all begin with that, asking questions: ‘What is feeling?

What is life’ then you can learn.

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your nice feelings and have a good night’s sleep.

(There is clapping.)

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