Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.

(Hall): "Good evening."

Good evening.

I have a letter here.

Who was this from, who just put it down here?

Who just came and brought that letter?

I have a letter, which I answered, and I wrote: I cannot give any consultations at home, I already receive ...

(Lady in the hall): "Mr Rulof, that is me."

And madam, what is the intention of your question?

You also write ...

May I deal with it here?

Not so pleasant, is it?

(Lady in the hall): "No, not at all.

Which is my reason."

Yes, but these are not problems, madam, which I deal with at home, because then I would be overrun with people and I would not be able to do anything else.

The arguments still come: "Can you not make an exception ...?"

No, that will not work, I heal ...

"Yes, but you just have to say it, sir, then ...

You just have to tell me: what should I do?"

Look, that is the same as a consultation.

Then they received a blow from other magnetizers which made their heads reel and then they were terribly off the mark, and then they come back to me, then they say: "Yes, but don't you know that then?"

I say: "No, madam, I have nothing to do with all the magnetizers in The Hague and in the world.

The society does not have any magnetizers."

And then they still want me to ... the people want advice; not just for healing, but also for other things, and then that is difficult.

So I write here: I can ... received your letter, I do not receive anyone at home for consultations.

But you can ask the question on Thursday evening in the 'Ken U Zelven' building.

And that is not possible, of course, is it?

And I will not go into that either, madam, because this is heading towards social states which I do not go into.

I only talk about the books and spiritual problems.

Do you think that is bad?

Do you think that is a pity?

(Lady in the hall): "Yes, I do."

I want to give you another opportunity during the break.

Just come to me.

Have you not been here before?

Then it is very difficult, indeed.

I will talk to you during the break.

I have here: The human being who let himself be embalmed during the time of the Egyptians, so remained in the ground as a mummy for thousands of years, must this personality wait for his first reincarnation until his rarefied body has dissolved?

Will you explain this question for us, who is right?

From who is that?

(Gentleman in the hall:) "Yes."

Your friend said that that spirit, that personality did not have to wait?

(Gentleman in the hall says something.)

What did you say?

(Gentleman in the hall): "He said that, that he did not have to wait and that that reincarnation went ahead directly."

And who is that friend of yours?

Does he come here too?

(Gentleman in the hall): "Yes, but he is not here now."

But that was well sensed, because that reincarnation goes ahead.

We have spoken here about embalming several times.

What happens now if you let yourself be embalmed, in Egypt, France, England, and everywhere you go in the world, so hundreds of lives, ?

What finally happens because there is a body of yours lying there, and there and here and there and there?

What finally happens to your personality now if you let yourself be embalmed everywhere?

Do you know that too?

Which of you knows the answer?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘... who regularly knew something.”

You already heard it, Mr Brand.

If you let yourself be embalmed here and there and everywhere by the life, by the body, then you miss a part of an aura.

There is something lying there, even if it is a mummy, but life is lying there.

That is unconscious life and by means of legal medicines you preserve - you know about embalming, I do not know exactly all the things that are needed for that, but fine - you preserve something, and you miss that completely on the other side, your spiritual personality lacks that in aura.

Because you assume that the personality is the feeling with knowledge, but the life on the other side is the astral life of feeling.

Can you feel, where I want to steer this?

So you keep on missing something of your own life, you start to fragment your life.

And finally, if you let yourself be embalmed everywhere, that is a psychopathic state.

You are still not psychopathically ill, but you are physically weak, unconscious, because the life ... You have perhaps just thirty-five or forty per cent of the hundred per cent in strength, life, which you actually get and possess in a new life.

Is that clear?

Did you know that it goes that far with embalming?

That goes that far.

Now there are ... In Amsterdam, a lady asked Master Zelanus the question about that book which I threw on the ground here, from that Spalding (B.T. Spalding: ‘Meesters uit het verre Oosten’. The original English title is: ‘Life and Teaching of the Masters of the Far East’. Published: California, DeVorss en Co. Publishers.), and she asks Master Zelanus, that also comes back to that: "Is it true now?

Is that possible?

And what is the purpose of it?"

There are yogis - in that book - in the East, who are that far that they preserve their bodies, so the body does not die.

Then they can ... in a thousand years they come back and then they descend into that body again, and then they live again.

Isn't that nice?

Is that possible?

(Gentleman in the hall): "No, that is not possible."

Wonderful, Mr Berends.

Master Zelanus says: "No, those occult laws do not exist."

And then he went to Christ, that Christ would be born through Mary and had to accept being a child.

Because that occult law which Spalding describes there does not even exist; you cannot look through it, then you already have to be very deep, if you want to know those laws.

Then Master Zelanus says: "But what would you do with that old rust?

Why not accept a new life?

Youthful, new blood, new eyes."

No, there those yogis preserve a shrivelled body like that, they want to be born again in that, in that old, old body, don't they, that mummy-like being, and they like that, that is art, that is occult art.

Sir, I have never read such nonsense anywhere before.

That is also in that same book which I flung there on the ground ... Eh, thump.

Oh, am I not allowed to say thump?

Then I am back again in 's-Heerenberg; that is not good.

I always have to be sure that I don't end up in 's-Heerenberg, here.

But that same question, that same situation from that book ties in with that embalming.

When God gives us a new birth because we are attracted by father and mother, we become new, we get a new voice, new eyes, we are completely new, a new body, very much 'newly made', really beautiful, with blond curls or black curls ...

No, there goes an Indian yogi ... because they are all masters, you know, sir, madam, they are high ... that is about the great masters of the East, and they crawl ... they prefer an old body to a new, new body.

But how sensible we are.

And if you challenge that then they say: "That Mr Rulof knows everything."

But now you, and then that gentleman again, and now the occult law, and now Our Lord.

Christ took the most perfect and purest path, He was born in the child, through Joseph and Mary.

Do you see?

And what Christ has to do, that is for sale for a yogi?

Christ took and had to take the natural, only divine path back by means of fatherhood and motherhood.

And the yogis there build up bodies, bodies.

Egypt, British India, ladies and gentlemen, they can now learn from us at the moment.

Just let them come, those, those, those ...

What did I say again, madam?

Do you see, sir, are you satisfied?

(Gentleman in the hall): "Yes."

I did not say hardly anything to you, but we made it.

I suddenly saw you over there.

We were both ...

No, not both, we were in Egypt, not both, not both.

We were taking a walk there and then I came across your face and then I said ...

What did I say?

Yes.

See, a human being can get lost.

Do you mind, Mr De Wit?

(laughter)

Do you know, ladies and gentlemen, why I had to bark all at once the last time?

You will say: what is that now?

I heard: "Do you understand that man now?"

(To someone in the hall): What did you say?

(Lady in the hall:) "Yes, you said it, your dog was there."

No, Mr De Wit was nodding.

I think: because of the talking he is falling asleep, then I will just bark.

(laughter) And he was suddenly awake.

He did not sleep again.

He got a fright.

Didn’t you, Mr De Wit?

And that animal ...

I was at home, I said to my wife: "Do you know what it was about?"

"No", she says, "the dog was ..."

I say: “No, Mr De Wit was sleeping.” (laughter)

But I only told about it this evening, you see.

Did you mind?

(Mr De Wit:) “No.”

But you didn't mind this?

See, then I begin, then I do something.

Then I react to something.

My dog Fanny says: "Will I waken him up?"

I say: "do it", and then I bark.

You see, also a good inspiration.

Don't you think so?

I react, I react to everything.

Who knows what else will happen here in an evening.

Just wait.

We will continue.

‘Could you answer the following questions for me?

Can a woman who is a mother for society’ ...

Is a woman a mother for society?

(Lady in the hall): "Not a mother."

Oh, not a mother.

Oh, there was a 'not' in front of that, I didn't see that ... ‘is mother, experiencing motherhood for the universe in the profession which she carries out?’

You mean the human being in society who is not a mother, so that is a woman who has not had any children?

That doesn't make any difference, you know!

Can that woman, that mother, that woman ...

We therefore cannot talk about mother at the moment.

You can talk about motherhood anyway, because the soul, the spirit - I told you the last time - which lives in the motherly body, is already motherhood; and because we, the life of feeling, the personality descends into motherhood, we get a step higher as evolution, so the natural evolution continues irrevocably.

Soon we will stand before karma and cause and effect, before new births - won't we? - by means of cause and effect, motherhood, fatherhood; we spoiled motherhood, we destroyed fatherhood, we murdered and committed arson, then the karmic laws come.

That is clear, isn't it, we talked about that the last time.

‘For example, I could mention a teacher who knew for certain from a young age: I will become a school teacher later.

The game she played with other children was always schools.’

Yes, there are people like that, whose profession they carry out is in their blood, as it were.

There was something in me too.

Not school ... yes, playing schools too.

I was always giving orders in the past, you know.

One person has this, another person has that.

‘And they therefore irrevocably achieve their goal.’

That is true.

Now we will just answer that.

Look, now you can ... motherhood and fatherhood ... motherhood for nature and for the cosmos, that is natural, that lies outside of this.

Now you mean to say, now you want to ask and you want to know: Can I experience motherhood through my work, my task?

And especially if you are dealing with children.

Madam, miss, that is the highest type of development which you can give the human being.

I remember, at school we had a teacher, and that was nice, but she was not nice.

In the beginning she liked me, well, then she says: "He is stupid, Crisje, and on the other hand he bombards me with questions."

But there was something in her which I did not see in Crisje, and then I didn't like her.

And there was another one, and she was a sweet child; now we say 'a sweet child', but she was a sweet lady.

And we did everything for that lady.

We already enjoyed it when she went and stood before the class.

And everything which she said; nice, kind.

And she thought: oh well, those children do not understand that anyway.

But the four of us, the five of us, Anneke Hosman and Theet Bouwman and along with my friends from 'Jeus I' - that is not in it - but then we went, we went to play on the heathland, and then I was, one of us, was the teacher.

Well: "How much is four plus four?"

Well ... well.

"No, you must not say it like that, you are far too insolent, because the teacher is not nearly as insolent as you."

See, that was it already.

"And you must not do it like that, because the teacher never hits", she never hits you.

"No, you cannot do that." (Then) another person had to carry on until we were the teacher.

That got through to us like that.

And if we could just say good day to the teacher and could show her the doves, because she saw the doves at every moment: "Come and have a look, miss, I have another, we have young doves again."

And that was happiness for us, because she was a lovely person, a lovely child.

And if you bring that to your children too, Miss Bruning, then those children will still carry you, later when you are eighty years old.

That is the most lovely thing, but that is also being a mother in society.

I too have, I too have become a bit of a school master.

They call me father; I am not a priest, I don't want that.

(laughter) They call me curate.

But being a school master is: awakening the life of feeling of the child, of the personality.

And that takes ... If you want to begin with that and you want to touch cores, then you take for one core, before the child knows who you are, you take six months, in order to let one thing come out of your personality, that they say: "Oh, she does not want that, but that."

The child needs time for that and you too, it takes six months.

And then you have laid a little foundation for yourself, a little foundation.

Just put me in your class, then I will immediately point out the mistakes which you are removing.

I want to be just as obedient as the rest, you know.

And talking, looking, descending into the child, is the nice(st) thing there is.

I longed for that when I was a child at school.

I ... We had arguments with everyone.

That master was good at telling stories.

There was one master, who understood it and he was a friend of Tall Hendrik.

"Hendrik, he, he is something, he looks at you and he also looks behind.

He only wants to know what you have to tell him", he says, "and then he is gone."

And I was always gone.

I looked into his eyes in the morning, I think: oh, he does not need me this morning.

And then I was gone, I was gone in thought.

I just sat there messing about, and I was not there.

Sleeping ... now and again I was sitting like that and then I was in the Montferland, I was sitting at the top of a tree, carrots at Aunt Trui’s ... eh ... (laughter). And suddenly the bell went and it was over, I had to go home.

I did not learn anything, I did not learn throughout my whole life.

But if it was something to do about life, about this ... about a tadpole and about a frog ...

Do you know what frogs are?

Tadpoles?

It was about rabbits, and pigs and horses and cows ... my dear ... and chickens.

Good heavens, have you ever seen a porcupine in the evening, about eleven o'clock in the evening?

Do you know what a porcupine can do at eleven o'clock in the evening?

I don't know either.

(laughter) But then we were sitting on that feeling and then we entered that life and then we all enjoyed ourselves.

I take myself ...

And if you can do that, and the sisters and the teachers, we have more of them here, who can do that ...

Look, I am always ... I was busy as a child, not like now, but still all the time, I act, I want an opportunity - Master Alcar taught me - in order to make me popular, loved by the human being.

But I do not do that with a will.

I am just nature, I first make myself that nature ... a complete consciousness, I want to be like that and I will be like that, and then I will not have to think anymore.

So, when Master Zelanus began, and I had to begin with myself, then all those horrible things with me, those wild things, and this and that, that had to go.

And now I have received, laid down, one character for society.

In that state, I cannot be any different than that.

And I balanced that out to a hundred percent and that belongs to: manners.

"Yes, madam.

Yes, sir.

Yes, indeed, madam", you see, "Oh, of course, sir, naturally.

No, sir, that is not right, not, it is not like that."

"What did you say?"

"No, sir, it is like that.

Yes, indeed, yes, yes.

Good day, sir, good day, madam", and then we continue.

Manners, that is bowing, that is accepting, understanding things from the human being, even it does not concern me and they say something about it: "Yes, sir, it is true, it is awful."

But then I start to act from my life of feeling, my consciousness.

So I do not go into the people, but I accept their state so that I am open to that moment for the human being.

Now people want to bring me into their state, where I must not be in.

Soon, then I will act.

But if I was standing before a class, that is society - and that is difficult, but the nicest work there is - and I was to send out, I was to radiate, again and again, every morning; you have the children.

Then, I guarantee you, in one week, in seven days, the children will change with regard to you.

And then they will say at home: "Mother, I don't know what ..."

We said: "I don't know what happened to that person, but she, she, she, she is completely different."

The teacher had experienced something, for example: a beloved family member had died, and I looked through that, we looked through that, there was still someone.

How sweet that teacher is today, this week, isn't she.

But that is not real, she is sitting on 'the coffin'.

I think: someone has died in her family, she is mourning, she is mourning, she is not sweet, she is mourning; and then we got a bit of sadness from her, but we did not dive into it.

A fortnight later she had forgotten her corpse and her loved one, then it was: 'Hunky Dory', then she began again.

(laughter) You see, we got sadness from her, and it was not love, not reality.

We looked through that like children.

A child is extremely sharp.

You see, in society, if you build up being a mother, being a mother for everyone, and especially for the class, then you are busy mastering, mastering universal spiritual happiness and possession, love, everything.

And when you can also try that and do that with adults - then we stand before the adult conscious being - then it even more difficult, of course, but then it happens of its own accord, because we tried it with the children.

Isn't it true?

Or am I just telling stories, teachers?

Just chase me out of the class, you know.

Are you satisfied?

Now we have here: ‘Where does this knowing for certain and tough perseverance from a pre-school child like that come from?’

Well, that is the character.

You write here ... ‘I knew, I was playing at schools’ ...

That is already central consciousness, that is also national consciousness; that has nothing to do with a country, does it?; but that is already social feeling in order to participate in building up.

And now you are: "I want to become a teacher."

Men are men: "I will become a school master."

You often have that.

Children know beforehand what they will do later.

And that has already been built up, that is also reincarnation, that has already been built up in previous lives.

Because you cannot be born with this consciousness.

Getting it just like that, that is not possible.

So you already built that up in previous lives, in order to start being part of society.

There are women and men, mainly women, who learn, study to become a doctor, dad and mum have spent a lot of money, get married, have a baby, another baby, another baby, never became a doctor; money gone.

Then there was a feeling to obtain a study, a study, to gain a title; becoming a doctor is gone, other people continue.

See, you now get the feeling, one mother, one person is fully conscious in that state and the other one is not.

Just like that: I want to be that, I want this; and then of course the life of feeling speaks of its own accord, but you brought that with you from previous lives.

Because if we begin here, then we begin with a clean slate for this life, but what there is, is all reincarnation.

We are completely blank for this life.

We have to deal with this light.

The light in the eyes only comes after seven days; and then we start to look and then the past immediately recedes.

If that child could be adult now and could speak, then reincarnation would lie completely open and then you would see into all those other lives.

Now you also say: ‘Where does that certain knowledge come from?’

That is already the answer, for you that is reincarnation, the previous life, but for the pre-school child that is exactly the same as for you.

You read Jeus: "What will you do later, Jeus?"

"I will write books."

Haha, I had to laugh myself.

And suddenly I knew that I should not laugh.

"Ha", Anneke says, "but you need money for that."

"Money or not, I will write books."

Because they had cows and we had nothing, isn't it true?

I say, yes, then we went to play on the clouds, I say: "You, you only understand ..." I said something completely different, you know, it is in the book.

In the book it says ... no, it says so, it really says so, I say: "You only understand cows and horses and chickens and half destroyed dogs.

That dog has nothing to eat.

But I wrote book, and I wrote, and I have written books.’

I don't know where they come from, but they are there.

(Someone says something.)

What did you think?

(laughter)

Madam, did you also have something yourself?

(Lady in the hall): "No, but I thought it had to do with reincarnation."

Become hundred percent mother for your children and then you will experience - and you know that, for that matter - that you cannot even lose your love, because there are some ... tired now, they cannot be tamed.

I don’t need to bark this evening, Mr De Wit, do I?

(laughter)

We will begin here with Mr Reitsma.

‘Now and then in our literature we meet personalities who are visionaries to a certain degree, the past or the future passes their inner eye in pictures or flashes.

For example, in the latest issue of 'Vizier' there was an article from H.J.G. In Enschede, which is in world vision Bellamy 1953.

He can still remember a previous life.

He cites Jozef Rulof and Pierre van Delson as souls related to him.

Paul Brunton also undoubtedly belongs to these present school of visionaries.’

(Something falls with a bang. Jozef says:) "That is not my stick."

In ‘Secret Egypt’ (a book of Paul Brunton) we see him sitting at the feet of the sphinx.

He also sees in visionary images the origin ...’

And Paul Brunton does not even know the hidden meaning of the sphinx, ladies and gentlemen, Mr Reitsma.

Paul Brunton still does not know the sphinx, no, he still doesn't even know the pyramid.

Paul Brunton is not deep, he just tells stories, he was searching.

Paul Brunton is a great boy, a great person, because he has done something for the masses.

His books reach ...

He has reached more people with his books than I have.

It is too far, but Paul Brunton does not know the sphinx or the pyramid, even if he slept at the top of that.

He spent a night in the pyramid, but he still does not know the pyramid, you need the other side for that.

But Paul Brunton is wonderful.

‘He also sees in visionary images the origin and the full meaning of the sphinx and of the pyramid of Giza.

Just like Frederik?’

No, sir.

No.

Now know ...

And 'Masks and Man' does not go into the pyramid so deeply either, because this is at least, let's say, that is two, three books of some 1500 pages, if you want to analyze the pyramid, with the sphinx.

The sphinx ... oh, human being, just go and stand before the sphinx.

One night I was standing, I had disembodied and namely, I was standing before the sphinx and then I spoke English; I still know a little bit of it, but then I spoke really good English, it was a previous life.

And I looked at them and I say: "You with your animal face, let me, give me some knowledge for a bit ..."

I gave myself a fright and I think: how good that sounds.

"Don’t live in silence."

I say: "Do not live any longer in that silence and give me a little bit of happiness, knowledge, science, spiritual science."

And then I started to shout.

And then I started to whisper, Mr Reitsma, then she heard me.

I say: "Please, please."

She did not understand Dutch.

And then I started to speak Dutch, I say the Dutch word for: "Please."

I think: how strange that sounds here in the East, "please" in Dutch.

And then, deep in that life, at the back in the tail, you know, the lion's body, from that spinal cord, and from those lungs, I heard at once from there: "Hhhuhh".

I say: "Can you hear me?

You are sighing."

The moon was in the sky, Master Alcar was standing over there, Master Zelanus was there, they wanted to see how I made myself one with the sphinx; and I reached unity.

And suddenly ...

And then I went, in the astral world I went back to sleep again, but I had learned that - then you went like that again, I let myself go, and then I remained conscious - by the building up of ... by the painting, healing; the trance was built up, you know that.

And then we went through that and then we remained consciously asleep.

In the deepest grade of sleep I am conscious, because my life cannot be disengaged.

And then I heard her speak.

Then she says: "Go to, go to my man, my husband."

That is her husband, the pyramid.

"Talk to him, maybe, maybe he will let something be heard", she says.

"Then come back, the way is there."

She touched my heart and ... "Listen", she says, "listen", and then I got a kiss: like that.

(kiss) I think: good grief, that kiss, that is touching the life, the being one with the life is the kiss of the universe, which knocked me to the ground.

And then I woke up and I was shouting loudly because I was burning to pieces.

If you get wisdom, deep wisdom, did you think, Mr Reitsma, that it will not knock you to the ground?

It also knocked me to the ground.

But if you come in there then you go from the sphinx to the pyramid, and finally the pyramid is the husband, and the sphinx is the mother for the universe.

And that mother begins from the animal-like life to the royal one.

Did Paul Brunton have that, Mr Reitsma?

You see, two large books can be written about that.

I experienced the sphinx and the pyramid.

Paul Brunton lay in the king's chamber and it was already a racket which he made, he could also have gone crazy that same night.

Why?

If I go into that pyramid there, I want to take all of you along, then nothing will happen to you, even if you are still so unconscious.

Because mysticism is not ... that cannot hit you if you know the law of mysticism and that is: there is no death.

And everything which is wrong, I do not have to do with that: I am good, I am true, I am pure, I am honest.

And then those Indian yogis and those maharadjas, they say: "Do not go in, sir, because you will be killed."

And you will be killed.

From what, sir, by what means?

Fear, yes, being unconscious; your fear is still unconscious.

The deeper you come, everything ...

God did not create any fears and any trembling, it is the unknown for the human being which makes the heart stand still.

There was someone - I told it the last time - he says: "So true, I swear it on the health of my wife and my children, the Christ can hit me."

But the man was lying, and instantly he fell down stone dead.

The fear in him made his heart clot, swirl, he was dead.

He was lying.

And then he thought as fast as lightning: Imagine that Our Lord now sees me anyway, that I am lying; and he was lying, he was already on the ground, had already been beaten.

And then they said: "God punished him."

No, sir, madam, no, sir from the church, that man was not punished, that man punished himself, he went above his head.

He took ... as it says in 'Masks and Man', Mr Reitsma, that theologian who wanted to go to Jehovah, continually further on this path, higher and higher, but he forgot a ladder.

And now he is dangling, Frederik says, between heaven and earth, he will not come back again, he is now in Rosenburg (psychiatric institute in The Hague).

He said: "Jehovah, Jehovah."

The theologian, he has become a religious maniac.

If the human being goes into faith deeply, deeply, deeply, deeply into faith, then you are finally at a hundred percent, you are nothing anymore.

If you truly start to look for God ...

We have a grip here on every step, you will never become crazy in this, as long as you do not go too far yourself.

But if you start to look for God, look for God, look for God, as a theologian, as an ordinary human being ...

How many religious maniacs are there not in the mental institutions?

They all went too far; and wanted to get to know God, do not know themselves, have their feeling, but do not know how deep they are, what they can deal with, take hold of Jehovah's coat, or Jesaya, whatever they are all called, and lose themselves, no longer have any ground under their feet, that means: the conscious knowledge, the grip for yourself: I may not go too far, I do this, I am thinking, I am thinking ...

I was at home, I was writing and so far in trance that Master Alcar said - you should see how far we are going, I will give you another image - he says: "Open."

I say: "Open"?

We were busy with 'A View into the Hereafter'.

"Open?

Everything is open.

Everything is open."

I was writing at home, Master Alcar in me; but we were in a temple on the other side.

Everything is open, I can fly, I can go to the first sphere, to the second sphere, I see the people, I see the trees, I see the birds.

And then a bird came and sat on my hand.

I say: "What, what, what, open?"

"We are not in the spheres, we are in the Esdoornstraat 21, in The Hague, in Holland, on earth."

He had to go back ... I had to go back.

"Open, open up!"

I say: "Open?"

"Yes, Anna is not there, she is away, has forgotten the key, there is someone ringing the doorbell."

"Oooh, open."

I take the key from my pocket and stand from inside prodding that door.

Not to pull it, but ...

And then I finally have it open, I say: "Who are you?"

Where is that going?

Then she thinks: Oh, my God, he is just crackers.

And I say: "Oh no, that was my wife, now I know it, now I know it."

In that state, I am completely crazy, Mr Reitsma, I no longer know where I am living; for the earth, but not for the other side.

Because we were in an open space and were writing 'A View into the Hereafter', which knocked Esdoornstraat completely away.

You see, that is dissolving; I am giving you the proof, that it is possible, but Paul Brunton did not have that.

I was busy with 'Spiritual Gifts'.

And then it was precisely in the war ...

Then I got a letter sent to my home, we would ...

No, we were not yet busy.

I got a letter sent to my home from the Germans: I had to go to Germany.

I say the following morning, I say to my followers, I say: “Please, yesterday morning I said, Master Zelanus said: “We will begin with ‘Spiritual Gifts’.

And now I have to go to Berlin.

"But you are not going."

I say: "I am going."

I can perhaps reach more people there than here.

Just throw me in hell, I want to go to Germany.

Because I have my mouth everywhere, I talk everywhere; even if bombs fall around my ears, I will talk."

"But then I will go for you."

I say: "No, sir, no history of suffering for me, I will do that myself."

But oh well.

"But", they said, "yesterday morning you said: We are going to start 'Spiritual Gifts'."

I say: "Yes.

Now I would like to know, I too, who is right now, Master Zelanus and Master Alcar – nonsense, or what is it? – I say, or Hitler is right, I am going to Germany."

I am walking in the street and I say to Master Alcar: "Master Alcar, you know for sure, don't you?"

I say: "Here you have a letter from Hitler, if you are stronger ..."

I think: the angels can do such a great deal, but I must pack my case tomorrow.

I am going to Germany.

And I am just not doing anything, I am going.

Just try getting me out of that.

What do you want?

Now I think: Now I have got them, now I have got them.

I say: "With hundreds of thousands of angels?

We are living in times of war, I am an instrument, I must write?

is it true?

Prove something to me for just now ..."

Wrong, isn't it, wrong.

After so many millions of pieces of proof.

But I think: Well, just let him now, don't you think?

Later, of course, I received a terrible beating.

But, oh well, I did it.

I go home, get hold of the typewriter, I put it down.

And my wife says: "Don't you have to pack your cases?"

"Pack my cases?

What?"

I say: "Master Zelanus has just started to write."

I say to Master Zelanus, who is standing next to me, I say: "Don't you know anything?"

"Not me", he says, "it is not my business, after all, you sent it higher?"

I say: "So you are going to write?"

"Of course, we are going to write."

I say: "But do you not know anything at all?"

"Just wait, it is already through, the cable ... the telegram is up above."

He says: "I already saw where it ended up, a great deal will have to happen, but I am going to write", he says.

And we start writing.

Well, at half past three, the door bell rings, a doctor comes in.

I say: "Sir, are you a duck or an angel which has been sent, who are you?"

I say: "When did you get the feeling this morning to come to me?"

Then he says: "At half past ten."

I say: "Then I sent the message to Our Lord."

I say: So and so and so.

He says: "But you are not going."

He says: "From now on you are sick.

You have had a stomach bleeding."

A note, my wife went to the doctor, and I was sick, with a stomach bleeding.

I got eggs, milk, for nothing; I was as fit as a fiddle.

And we write, in pyjamas, write, I didn't go to Germany.

The doctor was sent for; a doctor came to me.

Master Alcar says: "Did I just get you?"

I say: "Yes, you have got me, you won."

I say: "Fair is fair, I bow my head."

Then I sat, I sat there for a fortnight, because a doctor had to come to check.

I am, one afternoon I am busy.

There is someone there.

My wife is not there.

I say: "Good heavens, good heavens", there is a car at the door.

I say: "And there is a bicycle coming ..."

No, it was not a car.

I say: "There is a doctor coming, I can see him, there he is."

I looked through the houses.

I say: "Open the door quickly."

I race into bed, you know.

If all of that was from me, would you think that the other side was helping me?

If I have to write books ...

They sometimes say: "He is sitting scribbling all of that himself."

I have hundreds of millions of pieces of proof that it is never me.

It is never me.

I jumped into bed, I say: "Just let him wait."

The typewriter is put away, the door opened and that man races directly to the room: "Where is the patient?"

I am lying there in bed, they say: with such a head.

Mr Reitsma, I became epileptic from one moment to the next.

I was in the deepest physical trance there is, I became ...

My eyes were suddenly yellow, blood in my eyes and no more breathing, that man looks.

"Huh, huh, huh."

"Just say something", he says.

"Huh, huh, huh, (whispering softly with difficulty) I can't talk."

I no longer had a voice, nothing left.

And in the midst of all of that I thought: How real that is.

(laughter)

Yes, I saw my corpse-eyes.

And he raced out the door.

I think: Man, how off the mark you are.

He goes to an acquaintance of mine, who knew me.

He says: "Now ..."

A hour later milk was already brought, butter was brought, flowers were brought.

"Jozef is sick!"

"Yes", that man says, "and that looks wrong.

That man has leukemia."

Because he had heard it.

"Did you have a stomach bleed?" he asked.

I say: "Yes, a very large one five days ago."

"Yes", he says, "well, that is bad, you know, but stay calm, you know."

It went through the whole of The Hague: Jozef Rulof has cancer.

"And now, good, he himself needs a doctor."

Those were the spiritualists.

He was not yet out the door, the door closed; I went to the typewriter.

Master Zelanus says: "We will begin."

Gone, gone epileptic sleep and trance, gone yellow from my eyes, gone, the blood has gone.

When I first sat down, I say: "If only I had a cigarette now", we do not have that, "because I must recover first."

I say: "How clever they are.

How clever that is, Master Zelanus."

He says: "Yes, that is still Master Alcar just now.

But Doctor Brands was there and Master Cesarino was there."

He says: "But they brought you into the apparent death."

They brought me into the apparent death, so deeply, that that man swore ...

I also spoke to him later after the war, he says: "Sir, you had a hundred percent leukemia, because the eyes, and everything, were dying."

I say: "Sir, it was gone in a second.

Don't you think that is funny?"

Then he says: "Well, if they now dare to tell me that you did not have any special ... and no trance ... or whatever you are ..."

He says: "I experienced it."

I say: "Two minutes later I was sitting at the table, and we continued."

I had to stay at home for six weeks, didn't I, you lie there for six weeks.

That man did not come again, I got tasty milk, I got food and drink.

And I think: yes, if only they had given a packet of cigarettes as well.

But they did not have any.

But food and drink.

I say: "Doctor, would you also like some?"

Well, then those people get something too.

Because I got double food; I didn't even want it, I didn't even need it.

We have two books finished ...

Then we wrote 'Spiritual Gifts' in six weeks' time.

But Master Zelanus said: "We will not stay here, we will go to France to my castle."

You rememeber, from 'The Cycle of the Soul'.

"And we went to the tower room."

And then ... my wife experienced hundreds of millions of wonders with me.

And then I came up in the morning and then we sat there and she looks into my eyes and then I can just talk to her, but I am in France, we were in France.

I say: "A moment ago we had a lovely horse ride.

Can't you see the swans there?

That beautiful nature, those wonderful cypresses.

Oh, it is great."

She came with me to France.

We lived in France for six weeks in the castle of Lantos Dumonché.

Sir, six months later I was still walking in France, The Hague was gone.

I no longer felt the ground of The Hague.

You see, those are now conscious spiritual occult laws: writing, experiencing, visions.

And I can tell you about a hundred thousand of them.

If you can never believe, if you say sometime: "Too good to be true", sir, then evening after evening I will, I will tell about the wonders, the miracles which the masters experienced with me.

Hitler did not get me.

Exactly to the second, Dr De Ruyter here in The Hague heard: “Go to Jozef, go to Jozef, go to Jozef, go to Jozef.”

"Yes, I will go to Jozef", then he accepted it.

He was needed, was the only man, I had seen him once.

He was once in my home for a patient, that was a year ago.

So I had nothing to do with that man.

But he was amenable, was open: "Go to Rulof, go to Rulof, go to Rulof, go to Rulof."

And when he said: "I am going", then it stopped.

I say: "At exactly twenty-eight minutes to eleven my message went to Our Lord, to the masters, twenty-eight minutes to eleven, at twenty-seven minutes to eleven Master Alcar was with him and says: "Go to Rulof, go to Jozef, go to Jozef, go to Jozef."

He impressed it upon him.

He came to me at half past three (with) the note: I did not need to go.

I did not need to go to Germany either.

But I would have gone.

But during those hours a doctor had to come, whereever he would come from.

I say: "Whatever you do does not matter to me, but I have to leave early tomorrow."

I am not going to go into hiding.

Did you think that I would waste my time by going into hiding?

I will go into that battle.

There are also children of Our Lord in Germany.

Mr Reitsma, it did not work, we wrote the books, we lived in France, in the castle of Lantos Dumonché.

Just read Lantos Dumonché, 'The Cycle of the Soul'.

Months later I had to go back, I could just not find The Hague again, I lived in France, so real.

And that is true.

And no Paul Brunton, no Ramakrishna, had that, the yogis did not know that, Ancient Egypt did not know that.

Mr Reitsma, ladies and gentlemen, that is only possible now, the masters built that up.

Oh, I can tell you, I can tell you hundreds of thousands of wonders about that war, which we ...

I had never had such a wonderful life before, precisely when the bodies were threatening to crack.

When I was a skeleton and had to sit on the stairs seven times in order to get upstairs, then I experienced the most beautiful and the most wonderful.

If you say: "I am tired", I will laugh right in your face.

And if you say: "Oh, how sick I feel", even worse.

I experienced it, I saw it.

We came from the Divine All.

The last books of the Cosmology had to be recorded, there were another four, five, I couldn't go on, I couldn't move another step.

My back was destroyed, I weighed ... I was skin and bone.

If you saw me, then my chest was in the Laan van Meerdervoort and my back was still in the de De Ruijterstraat.

You know that.

You see.

Now and again I was, I think: they look fine.

It rattled, sir, when I walked past you.

The Grim Reaper was laughing, I did not see him in my neighbourhood.

I crawled up the stairs, I couldn't go on.

I say: "Now I can't go on.

I will not make it up the stairs again."

I do not know how I made it upstairs, but I think: but that is not working, that is not working.

"Yes", Master Zelanus says, "I am standing ... we did our best, we wanted to break a record", and then we wrote six books in three and a half months, four and a half months.

In those longest, four, five months, I experienced those books, and the cosmology.

Precisely then, sir, madam, when you have devoted yourself completely, then Our Lord reacts, I experienced that in hundreds of thousands of possibilities, sir.

I crawled upstairs, and my wife did not hear it, fortunately - I crawled like that into the room and I fell flat on the floor into my room.

From the door to the chair I already collapsed.

Then I crawled to the chair, I hoisted myself into it, the typewriter was there, I think: now another thirty pages of the fifth part and then it is finished, and I cannot go on.

That is not possible anyway, that is not possible anyway.

That is not possible.

That is impossible, that is not possible!

Have you ever cried out spiritually, if you can no longer go on, if you no longer have any strength ...

Not to beg for strength, sir, but to bring working into that body.

"But, my God, I have to work, Our Lord, I have to work, those books have to be finished, they have to be finished before the war, in God's name, give me strength.

I have been in the Divine All, and what can the Divine All do now?

Can the Divine All not do anything at all?"

I was in the Divine all, I saw Christ there.

I say: "Is that nonsense?"

Yes, I could, with my finger I could no longer press down that key, there was no longer any strength in my hand to press down a little key.

I was finished, finished, completely empty.

I was sitting looking like that, Master Zelanus says: "Can you see that?"

I say: "Yes, my God, my God ..."

We look through the spheres, through the fourth, the fifth, the sixth, the seventh cosmic grade, a voice comes and a light and That says: "Did you call me, André?"

I say: "Our Lord ..."

"Yes", He says, "we have to work, it must be finished."

And that light lifts me up, that goes through me, and that strength; and at the same moment, there was a new folio in the typewriter and we finished typing thirty pages that same afternoon.

We started immediately with the sixth part and wrote that in a fortnight, and had it ready.

Strength which I still have now and where I still live in now.

You see, that came straight from the Divine All.

My bones, those legs of mine, well, they shouted for joy, they did not even creak anymore.

Living juice from the universe, sir, light, life, Our Lord, yes, Our Lord.

And do you want in your earthly life, do you want to succumb, do you want to achieve that with a little prayer?

Could Paul Brunton do that, and Ramakrishna?

Ramakrishna says: "Mother water, mother water", and walked in there.

He had also already got hold of the Mother.

And if Vivekananda had not gripped him by his jacket, he would have drowned.

I bumped into a tree and Mother Water talks to me every day and says: "Come, André, come, you will have peace and you will be safe in my arms."

I say: "Yes, in order to drown, of course."

I say: "But you are just a big brute."

"Hey", she says, "how harsh you are."

I say: "If you ..."

In this way we stand in mysticism, Mr Reitsma, I cannot let you experience my cosmology because then you will have immediately lost your grip on the world.

How deep am I now?

I say: "Mother water, you are just a big brute because you are doing it to me.

And if I do not possess my concentration, then I will go into your arms and I will drown", in Dutch, isn't it?

I say: "What do you do with unconscious people?"

"Yes, but they do not hear me, André.

I will let you descend into me", she says, "and I will send you back to the task, which you will experience and have to accept."

I say: "What would you have done then?"

"You would have got a bath from me and I would have sent you back", she says.

I say: "Nice, in the middle of winter."

That was the Suez canal (waterway in The Hague), the Suez quay, Suez canal.

Then she says: "Do you want a bit to eat from me?"

I say: "A bite to eat?"

I say: "But there are no fish in that stinking water?"

Did you not experience this evening that I was standing there looking, then the sun had to ...

I will continue with this because I want to give you a piece of proof; what those lads don't have, and we do.

That the sun said: "And André, now this evening I have received the honour from the masters to free you from your organism because, we know it, if you come back and you say to me, the sun, how I will shine there in the Divine All, then I will free you."

I say: "I will do that."

And then I was standing like that at the Suez quay, like that by that bridge, it was half past seven, just having a nice look ... lovely sunset and the sun was already talking.

But a crazy person, don't you think?

And then a gentleman comes and stands next to me and he says: "There are no fish here.

There are no fish here."

I say: "No, sir."

I say: "Fish ... Fish."

"No", he says, "but there are no fish in that stinking water, are there?"

I say: "Oh", I say, "sir, what do the fish matter to us if the life feeds you?"

Then he says: "Didn't think I know it.

Sir, are you now also so troubled by being rarefied", he says, "now in the war?"

I say: "Sir, I am rarefied day and night.

I float over the waters and I kiss the moon, sun and stars."

He says: "I did not take it that far yet, sir.

But I think: Sir, be careful, sir, because hunger takes you to the mental institution.

I say: "And the truth of the life speaks feeding, inspiring, spiritually ascending."

Then he says: "Sir, but then you have walked behind a funeral procession."

I just say nothing.

"Do you also see so many falling down in the street?" he says.

He says: "But you look bad."

I say: "Yes, it is bad, it is very bad."

He says: "But there are no fish here."

He says: "Go home."

I say: "Yes, sir."

And I went to the sun again.

I think: I was far away from him after all.

So I was sitting on a bench, I had ended up here in the rosarium and I did not know why.

There were a few flowers there and I am sitting looking and those little flowers were talking to me.

Lovely roses, a daisy and an ox-eye daisy.

Then I heard those flowers talking to each other there: "Yes, André, oh, how lovely it is, the human being who is open to our life.

May I tell you about my life?

What do you think of my little sister?

What do you think of my little brother?"

And that went on, went on.

I say: "Gosh, how beautiful that is, isn't it?

But you are also quarrelsome too."

And an old woman and a man are sitting next to me, I didn't notice that either.

Then he says: "Yes, sir, and a sandwich with sugarbeet does not do you any good either." (laughter)

I say: "No, sir, I cannot take it."

"Sir, but it is ... you are already talking in yourself, you are talking about the flowers."

I say: "Yes, sir", I say, "the children of God are speaking to my life", I was just like a child, I was a child, sir.

Then that man says: "We have waited a while, but it is not pleasant sitting next to you because at any moment you think that you are crazy too." (laughter) Then he says: "All the best, sir, but be careful because hunger makes you crazy."

And I kept coming across people in this way, I think: am I crazy?

Oh, oh, oh, and I was standing there and I think: Now I will just go to Jeus; gone flowers, gone world, gone sun, gone moon.

And when I ran past that man, I think: I will overtake them, those old people.

I say: "Good day, sir, madam."

I say: "It is cold, don't you think?

It is cold, it is chilly."

I say: "Now I will just go home again.

I have wandered about for long enough, for a while in nature.

Sir, it is the only thing there is left.

You say: "You are crazy, you are psychopathic", but it is the only thing to descend into the life?"

"Yes, sir, if you put it like that; I really thought you were crazy."

I just put that right, I just showed that man that I was conscious.

Later I met him, after the war, in the street.

Then he says: "Sir, eh, you must have a flower shop, because you talk to the flowers like that?"

I say: "No, sir.

Yes", I say, "the flower shop is here and there and there and there", then I started again.

And then he turned round and said: "Good day, sir, it was a real honour for me."

And then he thought: Now he is crazy after all.

(laughter)

But do you want to receive spiritual consciousness, unity, miss, with the children?

If you treat a flower, if you treat nature lovingly, harmonically, one day - there is a lot wrong with us - when those doors have all opened, one morning the life will speak, and I experienced that during the war.

I could already do it in 1934, but woe betide, during those same war years we went through all the mysticism which the earth and the universe possesses, Mr Reitsma.

And did you ever really ... me here ...

I can go far, I can go so far that you will no longer understand anything of me.

I, because I have seen those worlds.

But am I sober or am I not sober, sir?

I have my happy feeling, my laughter - not that sombreness - that joy of life, I have Jeus in everything with me, with that: "Yes, sir.

Yes, madam.

Yes, indeed, madam."

I will no longer look you in the eyes to get ten cents, I do not do that anymore either (see ‘Jeus of Mother Crisje’ part I).

I don't do that.

You see, in this way you get feeling, in this way you get space, in this way you get space.

And then you should just compare the books with the books which have been written in this area by people on earth.

Well?

Mr Reitsma and people and men, we have in our hands the very, very highest which mankind will ever get.

I truly represent the University of Christ, because the masters who can do that ...

I say: "If you are so strong then ..."

"We can do everything", Master Alcar says, "but we do not have five cents for you."

Also honest, isn't it?

"We have the power of the Messiah in our hands and we can do everything.

We will give you a wisdom which the world does not possess, you are universally, macro-cosmically deep, André-Dectar", he said to me, "but we cannot help you with five cents.

We can work wonders."

This evening I have, by the way, I have brought along one of my dishes, porcelain dishes, I have brought along such a wonder, and I will lay it down here, and that is soaking wet, I only got it yesterday.

You should see this wonder.

Don't touch it, ladies and gentlemen, it is soaking wet.

That is a mother - then I will not need to say anymore soon - and that is a mother who is searching for the spatial, the spiritual, the divine pearls, as wisdom, and they are set like pearls, with the macrocosmic spiritual pearl - with the little ones around it - in the middle.

You do not know what you are seeing, such beauty, a revelation in art.

And no Ramakrishna, Mr Reitsma, no Paul Brunton, there has never been an instrument before for the world, for the masters on earth, who had all the gifts.

Did you know that?

I have all of them.

I have all the physical, all the psychic.

Master Alcar says: "By means of those twenty thousand gifts which we can bring about, we will build up three, and that is writing, that is painting - and that was healing - and that is speaking."

Don't you think that is wonderful?

I was never allowed to do psychometry, they did not want to fragment the gifts.

I could have knocked them dead with proof.

It is time.

Mr Reitsma, are you satisfied?

Let's see what else is under it.

Question two: ‘Are it the own thoughts here which play their part?

Is this the cause?

He will not know the psychic trance of Jozef Rulof.’

No, they do not know that at all.

There are hundreds and thousands of mediums, trance-mediums; there is not one of them - accept it, just check it - there is not one of them in trance, or you can know everything, everything, everything.

The slightest fault which by words, the wisdom ...

If you possess the psychic trance, sir, then you have contact with the cosmos.

Accept it now, there is not one in Holland, a hundred percent - I tell you that - trance-medium.

Just check it.

If it is the case, then you are allowed to shoot a bullet through my head if you want, then I will miss my ... I do not want to shout - but then you can get the light from my eyes, and everything from me, if you meet one trance-medium in Holland.

It is not there in the whole of Europe, so bad.

And now just read 'Spiritual Gifts'.

I checked it in America.

Master Zelanus and the masters are real, and do not write nonsense.

Ladies and gentlemen, it is time for the break, and now I will show you that wonder.

Don't touch it, don't touch it, it is the mother who is searching for spiritual pearls, those of Christ, those of God and the universe, and that transformed into art.

I thank you.

INTERVAL

Ladies and gentlemen, we will continue again.

Did you admire the thing?

(Hall): "Yes."

Worthwhile?

(Hall): "Yes."

I have Our Lord on the waters, Christ's ascension, Christ on the cross, in Gethsemane, talking to His apostles, twelve before him, fifty different symbols.

Wolff also painted, but Master Alcar is also busy.

This is a revelation, if you see it before you, in colour.

I don't know how that paint was treated, it is impossible.

But anyway, we have got them.

I will begin with: ‘I read the following in 'The Peoples of the Earth'.

The Messiah received his material organism by means of the connection of Joseph and Mary.

In my humble opinion, Joseph and Mary were the unresisting instruments of the masters, because they entered into a connection at a moment determined by the masters, because it was a cosmic event.

There was therefore no question here of the own will of Joseph and Mary.

The circumstances were created and the feelings were placed in Joseph and Mary by means of which the connection could and had to take place.’

From who is that?

(Gentleman in the hall): "From me."

Sir, ‘in my humble opinion, Joseph and Mary were the unresisting instruments’, are you unresisting if you attract a child?

Are father and mother unresisting if they reach unity for a child?

(Gentleman in the hall): "It depends on what level they are at."

Is a human being unresisting who creates, attracts, gives birth to a child?

Father and mother, are they unresisting?

(Gentleman in the hall): "Yes, they are at that moment."

Is a human being ...

It is not possible, sir.

I will go into that unresisting of yours.

It is not possible, sir.

Every human being who experiences unity as man and woman and attract a child, attract a soul, so that the mother becomes fertilized, they are a hundred percent conscious for fatherhood and motherhood.

And would Joseph and Mary not be that?

A hundred percent is the law of nature here for giving birth, motherhood, speaking by and for the human being.

Is that clear, or not?

(Hall): "Yes."

So you cannot talk of unresisting.

I am only coming ...

I am only taking that unresisting out of here, because you are emphasizing that.

It is not possible.

(Gentleman in the hall): “ ... what should it be there then, if it is not unresisting?”

Yes, but here I have unresisting, it is not possible.

You see, there was no question here of an own will of Joseph and Mary?

They did not know any better.

When Mary and Joseph experienced that unity, they did not know that Mary would give birth to the Messiah.

Not one mother, not one mother knows that.

There were some people in mysticism, in the East and there, who say: "I have a conscious child."

My mother said: "I am floating and I am flying and I am ending up in the heavens.

I don't know what I have now, I had that with Bernard and I had that with Johan."

Bernard was so wild, always unsettled; working, working, working; now Bernard flew.

There are phenonema in every mother which the mother gets from the personality of the child.

But of unresisting ...

And there is therefore no question here of an own will?

Sir, the will, a hundred percent.

Yes, but I can also add something of course.

(Gentleman in the hall): "Yes, it concerns in this case, doesn't it, for example, there are women who want children and who do not get them; they have a hundred percent feeling for that, and yet they do not get them."

Look ...

(Gentleman in the hall): " ... so here that will has not been disengaged anyway?"

Sir, the human being is so fanatical in his will if that happens, in the first place a hundred percent will for lust.

There are people who experience that unity, do not want a child, so they have ... they are still a hundred percent in lust at the moment, in lust.

They do not want a child, but they want to experience that unity.

A hundred percent will.

Here, there is no question of unresisting, sir ...

If a human being is ever conscious in this state, then it is for connection with the human being, being a man, being a woman, love, love, love.

For a dog and a cat if you want ...

In the whole of nature you cannot talk of unresisting, because every insect knows what it is doing at the moment when the mating begins.

(Gentleman in the hall): "The difficult part to understand is ..."

What did you say?

(Another gentleman in the hall): "But people who are drunk ...?"

And then they know it absolutely.

Sir, precisely under that drink psychosis, narcosis, in a manner of speaking, then the human being is still conscious of what he wants.

There is no question of unresisting here.

If it concerns ...

If you now want to go further ...

First this of the human being.

So in other words, now I will see and follow the spiritual, cosmic, divine, and then you will be able to say: were Mary and Joseph forced into that?

Not?

(Gentleman in the hall): "Yes."

And now there is no question of unresisting, but now you could speak of domination.

(Gentleman in the hall): "Yes, that is a question of giving a name."

No, that is not giving a name, sir.

Domination is conscious inspiration, and unresisting is: well, was that me now or was it another?

(Gentleman in the hall talks at the same time, but Jozeph continues.) You see, that is not giving a name to the thing, now every word speaks with regard to the universe and changes the whole matter.

Yes.

I just want to tell you: This is completely off the mark, that unresisting, that has to go, you see.

(Lady in the hall): "Mr Rulof?"

Yes.

(Lady in the hall): "It says in the bible ...

Mary was sought out, wasn't she?"

Yes, the bible says that.

But who told that?

Yes, you see, who wrote that?

Mary was sought out?

(Lady in the hall): "Could she not have been clairvoyant?"

Mary was at that time, when she was between the fourth and the fifth month, just as clairvoyant as every other mother who possesses that sensitivity, but she did not know anything more.

At the moment that that unity came about, Joseph and Mary were perfectly ordinary people and did not know it.

They came precisely, by means of the cosmic time ...

I want to tell you how.

I know the whole situation, the whole plan, the whole objective.

When Christ wanted to be born - now we are going to that inspiration, sir - then Christ sent out His thoughts for the birth and saw two people.

Then Joseph was already inspired in order to give himself.

(Gentleman in the hall): "Precisely, so not own will, he got inspiration.

You are saying it yourself, aren't you?"

No, sir, you cannot take that away from me.

No, sir!

If you are inspired by the cosmos, by the universe in order to give birth to a child ...

Sir, I will tell you something, there has never been one man on earth before who has given birth to a child by means of his thinking.

There is not one man living on earth who says: "I want a boy.

I will give you a child", to the mother.

Or it is the mother who experiences the contact and asks: "Husband, I want a child", or it is the husband.

But those feelings which enter them, which enter you, really ... not when it goes to lust, just experiencing the physical sometime, then that law from the Other Side has no contact, no concentration and no inspiration.

But now father and mother are open to a child, what did you think now, sir, what would happen?

(Gentleman in the hall): "Precisely, the child therefore attracts the father and mother.

Mutually, actually."

The child cannot attract anything, the child ...

(Gentleman in the hall): "But Christ did it?"

The child is ...

(Gentleman in the hall): "But Christ attracted His father and mother?"

Yes, but, sir, I say: There is no man and no woman who can attract a child, otherwise the human being would also have that in his hands, but that is not for sale.

The soul which must be born inspires, not the father, but it goes through us - unconsciously, sir, it does not enforce anything in you - but it goes through us and you are ... at that moment you as a man go into creation, into evolution, into reincarnation.

(Gentleman in the hall): "Yes, exactly, oh well ..."

And none of that belongs to me and you.

That is the cosmic law of birth, by means of which we serve, no more than that.

So Joseph and Mary were not helpless beings, who served the universe with birth, the birth to be seen as universe, which millions of people have to do with.

That Soul who came from the Divine All, Christ, He said to the masters there: "I am going to the birth, you can no longer think about me."

And then they knew it in the Divine All ... I saw that, now you can laugh at me, but I saw the whole birth of Christ in the Divine All along with Master Alcar and Master Zelanus, how Christ dissolved there, and also of millions of people here, because I had to experience reincarnation, for myself, otherwise I would not stand strong enough.

Everything which you experience, you stand strong, don't you?

So they can never do so, so, so, so and so; I always have the word because I experienced all the laws for birth, for dying and for insanity, diseases of the soul and everything, I experienced them on the other side.

So Christ said: "I am now birth."

And then they could not ... could no longer find, no longer see Him, He had already become hazy.

And on earth the contact came about with His grade, to which He used to belong.

That is the tribe where Joseph and Mary came from.

And that tribe, that family, who were prepared for that and that task, and that and that source, and that and that history too; all that had meaning, in order to follow and reinforce that bible, that bible after all, but those foundations for mankind, for religion, building up for the house of Israel.

Because otherwise Christ would have had to begin with a new house, with a new sect, with a new foundation, and then He should not have done that, but then another person would have had to be born, and he said: "There is a God."

Then it began.

Do you see?

But Joseph and Mary were exactly like you and I and everyone.

We are not unresisting, because I know, I know surprisingly well, if the feeling comes into me and in the human being in order to give birth to a child, for the mother, that is the most, most wonderful thing for God and the cosmos.

And then they know surprisingly well what feelings are in them.

A dog and a cat, sir, are a hundred percent conscious, I also talked about that the last time, they jump out the window.

But it also thunders and roars in us in order to give birth too.

And that is not ... that does not need to be lust, sir, but a hundred million people give brith in pure unity with the universe.

And that is the thundering for birth, lightning flashes, we burst from happiness.

Isn't it true?

And that wonderful, wonderful feeling, sir, that does not belong to us.

Only then when the personality speaks.

And now, sir, we go to the human possession and now it becomes lust.

Helplessness, unresisting in a grade of motherhood.

You should ask me questions about that, sir, then I will make you weep, as a man I will make you cry, it is so wonderful, so deep, so incredible, incredible, that you will say: "My God, my God, what do the people know about it?"

You touch something there.

(Gentleman in the hall): "Yes ..."

You touch something there.

I find it very interesting, you should present that to Master Zelanus, then you would see what kind of lecture you would get; because he fights like - not like a devil - for Christ and for Joseph and Mary.

There was once someone who said it like that.

He says: "Joseph and Mary were immaculate, they did not know ..."

He says: "What a dope that Joseph was."

Yes, that is social again, do you see?

The Catholic Church says: "Joseph, that was not even Joseph."

Can you feel what stories have been added because of this problem?

Sir, wars already started, because of the immaculate conception of Mary.

That Catholic Church makes it even worse, it says: "The Holy Spirit descended into her."

That happened of its own accord.

That is impossible, that is impossible in the universe.

Joseph and Mary were physically one, and that is the very highest and the most sacred which God created.

The Catholic Church considers that indecent and dirty.

And Christ said: "The way you did it was good.

And I have to bow", and He became a child.

Yes.

There was therefore no question here of the own will.

Sir, if a child is given birth to, our will has nothing more to say.

The soul in the world of the unconscious, the human being whom we attract as child, as feeling, as life, that life determines the life on earth, and not I.

(Gentleman in the hall): "Yes, yes."

And are you then trying to say that I am unresisting?

(It remains quiet.)

Am I now unresisting?

(Gentleman in the hall): "Yes, if I look around me in the world, I do not have any children myself, you know.

If I look around me in the world then I cannot imagine that, if children are born, isn't it true, that it happened consciously."

No, sir, I was consciously one, and got a child.

(Gentleman in the hall): "Not because of that child."

Yes, sir, it concerns a child.

A hundred million people are in that unity, in that paradise, and look, experience something, and they do not know it.

"Good gracious", he says, "now they have got us.

I didn't count on that."

But someone else continues counting.

Now we will begin.

He says: "Well, little pills, just go away."

Miscarriage; child gone.

Another one, another one and another one.

I know someone like that who had eight children, and the man just wanted to get rid of them, and then that mother said: "But now it is finished."

She read a book of mine.

And do you know what I then said to that gentleman?

I had to treat a patient, then I got a diagnosis.

I will give you a wonderful diagnosis this evening.

Then Master Alcar said: "Only a child takes away stomach aches, because the womb has been murdered."

And the one operation ... from the one professor to the other for those stomach aches ...

The ovaries were diseased, the womb diseased.

And then I came, then I had to make a diagnosis.

Then Master Alcar says: "There has been a lot of messing about here, but only a child can save and cure the inside."

And then that man said: "I will not do that."

Sir, then one morning I dashed in and I said: "Sir, do you see that dagger?"

I say: "That will go in your heart if you do not give a child to that human being.

I will destroy you, I will do it."

After three weeks, four weeks, five weeks, the child was there.

Then he says: "Would you have done that then?"

I say: "Well, no, dope."

I say: "But she has a child."

And then that mother says: "And now sir can tell me another one."

The child came, sir.

Then she says: "Because I can now make amends."

In this way I fought with people for a child, and the child came.

And then you should, you should just see the mother with remorse.

But the infallible diagnosis, sir.

When the child was born, the pains had gone.

The doctor says: "What happened to you?"

The birth, sir, the clean pure development of the tissues took place, and a professor was no longer needed, the diagnosis was made infallibly.

Three operations for nothing.

Four, five thousand guilders; gone, sir.

Only the child, that is the pure diagnosis.

It happened.

Those people were not willing; that child came.

It proves, and hundreds of thousands of people are not willing, the child comes, it proves that the human being will never ever get hold of the birth for the soul, sir, otherwise we would be the destroyers of Mother Nature and God's creation.

How many children ...

(Gentleman in the hall): "That is the same thing, this is why I say unresisting."

No, sir, the will, the will, unresisting ...

The will of that universe, you must listen carefully, now I will continue again, the will of that soul becomes the love in me in order to experience the being one with my wife.

I get the will, I get the being one, I get the paradise because the soul said: "Attract me and I will give you the love."

Because I meanwhile go without knowing ...

But now we people must know that.

If you now soon ...

Are you married?

Well, get married quickly and just ask the woman it.

(laughter) If you now meet a really sweet, a really sweet princess in the spirit, sir, and you know these books, and you both prepare yourselves for that wonderful moment, sir, then the birth dissolves , the strength and the inspiration, that dissolves in you and now the happy feeling comes in order to crush them to death.

And then now try saying that you are unresisting.

(laughter)

My dear man, if that feeling starts to awaken in you ... and, eh, oh well, now you probably thought that I would tell everything.

(laughter)

But about that the human being, sir, the human being knows ...

What happens with the attracting of a child, the being born of a child ... "That is my child", he says and she says this.

"Yes", she says, "but the child looks like me, so you have nothing to do with it", they do not know either.

Sir, they know the psychology ... psychology still knows nothing about the actual birth; it is awe-inspiringly deep and beautiful.

People are often afraid of asking questions about it, but there is something to it.

Yes, sir, and that happened so purely and absolutely, naturally, cosmically naturally, with Joseph and Mary, that when Joseph approached her, you see, and started to experience the silence of her life, that Mary, that good mother, and he prepared himself to pick an apple from the paradise of the universe, then they heard 'click' behind them, and then the door became locked.

And he descended into her life and said nothing, nothing, nothing ...

You have to think about this, sir.

If the soul wants to be born, ladies and gentlemen, children, people, and you think you can attract another child, then you are already alive, then you have already been in contact perhaps seven years beforehand with the soul which has to be born.

Already seven years, seven months, seven weeks, seven hours.

But the foundations are already there that the karmic law reaches awakening, sir.

And I am that.

I have to do with that child, or she, one of the two of us.

We have to make amends, or we will get that from that child.

But the karmic law, sir, now I will go even further, it dominates everything at the moment.

(Gentleman in the hall): "Precisely, also the own will." (laughter)

If you become annoying now, I will stop with it.

If you continue to hammer on about that, then I will stop.

You see, because I am bringing the most beautiful thing there is.

(Gentleman in the hall): "Yes." (the man says something else)

Also the own will.

No, what I now said about that has already been finished and you must accept that: Yes or no.

That is already finished.

(Gentleman in the hall): "Yes, but they cannot disengage karma."

Now I will include the secondary states, the incidental circumstances, built up by us, I will now include them.

But I already explained the law of birth to you and now you begin again with own will.

That is like putting up wallpaper, done!

And we pull it off again!

Do you understand this?

(Gentleman in the hall): "Yes, one is inextricablely linked to the other."

No, sir, all worlds, the law of nature, birth, that is the macrocosmos, that is God, can you feel that?

Do we have that in our hands?

No.

I explained that to you.

Now we get the attracting, now I went into the attracting of that soul; karma or no karma.

I explain the feeling of the birth to you.

The birth becomes the feeling and the love in me, the being one of the human being.

So, I am elevated, for a hunded percent, into that birth.

Is that clear?

So you mean to say: "Without will, unresisting."

I become birth for so many percent, that nature can give me, that is a hundred.

So I am will, birth, inspiration, love, I am now everything at that moment because I am the instrument in order to bring about that possibility.

That will has now gone?

(Gentleman in the hall): "Yes."

Has that will now gone?

You see, that will has now gone.

You have everything.

No, I mean, that will is now set aside, we have nothing to do with will; you dissolve as a human being here in the birth of another.

(Gentleman in the hall): "Yes."

Do you see?

So you are birth, you do not have to do with will, you become feeling, you become love.

Isn't it wonderful?

Yet it is still deep.

And now you get: the circumstances; now I passed over to karma, now I would ...

I have to do with that child, that child goes through me and that child now looks like me.

Don't you think that is nice?

That child, that soul goes through me, and that child is the spitting image of the father.

That girl looks, that boy looks like the mother, the mother now has contact with this child, that soul went through the mother and not through me, the soul did not touch me.

If that soul just touches me, the materialization of feeling will come immediately.

As a result of my feeling, the feeling of the child materializes, but my look and my life already lie in there.

That is the form, the face of the man or the woman.

Don't you think that is wonderful?

That is pure and natural.

So the karmic law now, we also have cause and effect, goes ... also dissolves in that birth, everything dissolves in that birth and we have to do with that and we do not have to do with that.

But only then when this child now begins, then we will see or we will get, or that we have to make amends.

Isn't it wonderful?

‘The circumstances were created and the feelings were placed in Joseph and Mary by means of which the connection could and had to take place.’

You know that.

God did not make and does not make any distinction, the Messiah was also born in the normal way.

That is all good.

‘This is contradictory to 'Masks and Man' where Frederik says: ‘The mother who does not want to give birth to children is a sponger.’’

Is that contradictory to the law?

Sir, now we come from the divine to the human destruction.

The mother - I explained to you - deformation, deformation, deformation ... it happens every day.

There is a mother who does not want a child.

A nun, a priest, they sponge off mankind, because they must return to the earth, they must continue their evolution and do not want any evolution; they are spongers.

And is that contradictory to reality?

Yes, sir, they have kicked themselves out of the divine, harmonic births, births.

They have now fragemented their life and must go back.

(Gentleman in the hall): "I see that in previous lives, they now undergo what they caused in previous lives."

Yes, we do not have to do with that now, we do not have to do with that now.

(Gentleman in the hall): "But it is about that now ..."

No, that is going too far.

Now you are going too far ... (Gentleman in the hall talks through it.) We have to do with the personality here which is not yet a mother.

So now we get: are you a mother or are you not a mother?

If you are not it, then it is the hardest.

But it goes ahead, the plan, true or not?

Then it become lust.

So now we have already raped, sullied, deformed, the divine harmony for birth, we do not want any children.

We do not want any ...

Do you not want oneness in the case of homosexuali(ty)?

What do you want now?

Now that is also added, now thousands of human character traits are added which fragment and darken the birth.

Isn't it clear?

And that is a pure, human psychology.

(Jozef continues to read.) ‘This is contradictory to 'Masks and Man', where Frederik says: 'A mother who does not want any children is a sponger', other mothers must take over the task of the unwilling mother and sometimes give birth to twenty children.’

You get that now.

There are mothers who have twenty, twelve, fourteen children there; and another says: "You should see that rabbit hutch."

People do not know what they are saying.

And you will sense, if a child must be born, then that cannot be stopped.

(Gentleman in the hall): "Precisely, I mean precisely, if a child must be born, a father and a mother can never stop that."

No, you can get rid of it.

(Gentleman in the hall): "Not true ..."

You can destroy it, can't you?

(Gentleman in the hall): “ ... takes over.”

That cannot exist in a karmic way, can it?

You can destroy the embryo, can't you?

There are possibilities for destroying that embryo, aren't there?

That is therefore human destruction.

Isn't that true?

(Gentleman in the hall): "Yes."

Yes, that's it.

And now what?

And now what?

(Gentleman in the hall): "But that soul must be born, so that feeling is also, just like with Mary and Joseph, that feeling is also placed in that father and mother."

Now I will tell you something and now we come to cosmology.

I am now the man - I will use myself as an example - and my wife, and say: "We do not want that child."

Sir, did you think now that you have that in your hands?

That I murder that child?

I will now give peace to the mothers and the people who have done that.

Master Alcar says: "We never talk about this otherwise it will become even worse."

You will stand irrefutably before murder.

But, if I must attract a soul, sir, and I have the consciousness 'when it is that far then I will just get rid of it', sir, then I will not get a soul who must become a mother and will experience sixty years on earth, but then I will get a psychopath in me, and I will get rid of that; that will go back anyway.

You can only - now I will go a bit further, and those are all books - you can only attract that, sir, which lives in you as love, and consciousness.

(Gentleman in the hall): "Yes."

But you have ...

If you are free from karma, then that is possible.

(Gentleman in the hall): "I don't believe that."

Your karma says: "I first, I have to do with you, I will come."

But now I have to live for fifty years, because that is in my aura, my life space for this birth, my plasma, that is feeling, that is plasma, that serves me for fifty, sixty years of life here.

And a human being can now murder that if I come there?

Is that true?’

Clear, isn't it?

But now I turn left precisely, because I will be born there; he will not get the chance to murder me, sir, because I am birth.

And that cannot be destroyed by the human being.

The human being destroys an embryo, but they destroy spiritual destruction.

So the destruction attracts the destruction.

(Gentleman in the hall): "Yes."

So far, sir, that the human being says: "I murdered a child", I can and the masters can say about that: "You would like that."

Because that was already established.

(Gentleman in the hall): "Yes."

That soul knew that.

Before the soul was born, she knew: mother will make a flaw in that, and I will come where I have to go.

We do not even have that in our hands either, because then you wouldn't be here, and no one would be here, because then the human being would have the life of God in his hands and then the human being could say: "I will just send you back", and fling that life in the face of God.

But we do not even get the chance for that either, because we all get destruction, psychopaths, half-conscious beings, people who must be born again and who had torn that embryo apart anyway.

Sir, I know states, I know states for suicide, where the human being committed suicide himself, and it was not suicide.

And I also know states, I followed all of them and experienced with the master ...

A mother came to me and says: "Yes, of course I think it is terrible, but I have destroyed an embryo of three months old and now I have pain in my stomach, can you do something about that?"

At the same moment I get my vision.

In the first place, my master started to treat and says: "She would like that, to destroy a soul and an embryo, but she cannot even do that, that embryo would become loose from the embryo material."

Do you understand this?

And then the feeling entered her, and then the mother took part for thirty-five percent to destroy that embryo, but seventy-five percent was for the soul; it was not even her.

It goes that far.

You can still analyze and justify such things?

Yes, sir, because murders came about by means of the human being who was not a murderer.

A child went, a child, a little girl, who later walked into the water, and said: "I am going back."

"Why?" the father says, the father is a spiritualist, a good one, he also had a good contact.

Then they went to Holland and she walked behind the house into a ditch and drowned.

And after four weeks she came back: "Father, it was my time."

Do you see?

And I knew those people, it hit the mark, it was good.

You will certainly feel, sir, what kind of university there is in this?

No academic on earth knows that, sir, no yogi, no Egyptian, this is only in the hands of Master Alcar and the masters.

This, which I am telling you this evening, is a revelation for mankind.

No one in the world can explain that to you, so deeply; we can explain it humanly, destroying, unconscious - so destruction - spiritually, spiritually, spatially.

And you can get the divine word from me at this moment, because I am in contact, do you see?

And then you will only just say: "Yes, it is true."

And you will feel that under your heart, that it cannot be any other way: it is true, true.

(Gentleman in the hall): "Yes, I also agree with you completely."

Thank you.

But I like those questions because there is a lot to them.

Now we get: ‘Every soul is born at the time determined by the masters.’

No, sir, the masters have nothing to do with that, it is no longer in God's hands, that is all possession of the soul.

(Gentleman in the hall): "Oh well, I feel it differently."

But can you feel how far it goes?

God no longer has that, because you are the god who wants to be born.

‘If Mary, or Joseph, had not been willing, would another random couple have had to have taken on this task?’

If those people had not been conscious, sir, then the Christ would have been with the conscious people, but Mary and Joseph were conscious giving birth and creating, no more than that.

Is it clear now?

Clear now?

You cannot get into it, apparently.

You don't know.

Well, that is a pity for me, because then it is no good to me.

I will read it out again: ‘If Mary, or Joseph, had not wanted’ ...

Now I have explained it so much, spiritually, macro-cosmically; there is no question of will.

Now I have explained it by means of various possiblities and now you still shrug your shoulders, and that is a pity then because then we will not come any further.

‘If Mary,’ you write with capitals, ‘or Joseph, had not been willing, would another random couple have had to have taken on this task?’

Yes, then there would have been, then there would have been no question of Mary and Joseph.

They were consciously mother and father, and were creating and giving birth, it was possible, they were not eighty years old, they were that and that age, they could give birth and create, there is therefore no longer a question of will here, the Christ came, the birth of Christ came; and now you still behave like that.

Do you still not know it now?

(Gentleman in the hall): "Yes, I know it now."

Then why do you not say: "Yes", then I can continue?

You are making it difficult for me.

(Jozef continues to read): ‘In my opinion, it is not possible that everything is cosmically arranged in order to prevent chaos.’

In the birth for the human being, sir, chaos never ever emerged.

And then you should look - now we are going to another problem - and now you should look over the earth at how much, how deep the chaos is which the human being created by means of fatherhood and motherhood.

And in fatherhood and motherhood, there is still not one light point taken away, one light point, one grade, one little number, one little particle of the hundred percent taken away and could be raped by the human being.

The birth for the macrocosmos, in the hands of the human being, is still divinely pure; I explained that a moment ago.

Don't you think that is wonderful?

Otherwise - I told you - life would be for sale.

And then you could make and break, and I, what I wanted; but the birth carries on.

If you, and I, do not want, sir; there is a mother and a father, who now give birth to those twenty children for me, and for you, and for another.

Isn't it great?

Is it clear now?

(Gentleman in the hall): "Yes, but I cannot imagine what you are saying, but you get another karma through that, other circumstances.

I will just say, someone in The Hague does not want a child, and the child is born in Paris ..."

Sir, I have the word again, I have the word ready again.

I refuse now, and you and the woman, the mother, we refuse.

Don't we?

Now it goes ... now I say: Now another person is sorted out by my karma ...?

(Gentleman in the hall): "Yes."

Sir, that soul, that soul which goes there, that is connected to a group spirit, and those are the millions of people with whom we are involved, those are the mothers of one grade.

That mother attracts me, I have to be born - and they refuse - because I am involved with that.

If I am now involved with you for fifty percent and you refuse me, then that other forty-nine percent of that then comes, and I have to do with those people for forty-nine percent.

That means: the highest karma, the deepest karma experienced with the human being, attracts, the very first.

So you are working here, and thinking and feeling, you are a human being, I have to experience the most intense karma with you, so the highest grade in karma now attracts me.

And you refuse?

Then forty-nine percent appears and I go to that; but I am born.

Up to one percent and then I have at least a thousand fathers and mothers which I can experience, who will elevate me, and I will get my birth, then just for five percent, one percent, that fifty percent will come later.

When you are that far then you will appear.

Don't you think that is nice?

(Gentleman in the hall): "But why is that feeling not laid in that fifty-one percent, that it will be born?"

Why is that fifty-one percent not laid in you to do that anyway?

(Gentleman in the hall): "No, you say if you are attracted to me for fifty-one percent and to another for forty-nine percent, and I am not willing, that you then bypass the karma, take the karma of forty-nine percent.

I don't understand that."

Don't you understand that?

That means, sir, if you refuse to attract me - doesn't it? ,- then I have also lived there with those people, in Jersualem, in France, and they attract me.

Those people are there now.

And I meet you on my way, but I come, and you come to stand before me in order to make amends for that.

Can you feel that?

But that birth does not let itself be stopped, it carries on.

And so ...

And you can only just find that now with the mothers who have ten and twelve and fifteen children because they are now outshined by the other destruction of the human being, they can now sort that out.

Now we must write a book about this because you will not work it out anyway, you are clinging to something.

Do you all understand it, people?

(Agreeing voices from the hall.)

But slowly then ...

Oh well, I want to make every effort.

There is also: ‘In my opinion, it is not possible that everything is cosmically arranged in order to prevent chaos; one woman is allowed to not want and the other woman has to want.’

No, the other woman is ready to receive me.

Ready, and I am involved with that life, otherwise she could not attract me.

But there are also moments in the macrocosmos that no one can attract me, we also come to stand before that too, of course.

No one could attract me to the world, than only my Crisje, mother Crisje.

I was already in the first sphere, I came from a world, I was already there, I am an absolute conscious reincarnation now.

And I knew Crisje, from Ancient Egypt, from there, from there, in Jerusalem, and I know that soul from there and there and there, there.

I am so deeply and profoundly one with her, almost nothing can exceed that, a deeper feeling and unity with a mother and child is no longer possible.

What is that?

Do you see?

I know those lives.

But no one else on earth would have been able to attract me because I am finished with karma.

I can only receive reckonings here, sir.

If I now ... I can tell you things, I experienced them, so awe-inspiringly beautiful ...

It is nonsense, because a human being does not know his past.

In the past, or years ago, someone said to me: "Here like this, you have that."

I said: "You will not give me that, because I still have so much outstanding."

That is the reason, that is a reckoning now.

You would be surprised.

Don't you think that is nice?

Sir, I still get reckonings from people, every day, they think that they are doing that and that, I think: Oh, there is another one from there.

Not from North Brabant, you know.

But then we are involved with each other, they now do it like that.

And then they think that they are doing good, sir.

We must never think that we are doing good, we stand before a human being and say: "Well, I don't know what it is about but I helped them."

Sir, it is on the mark.

Just look into that.

(Jozef continues to read.)‘ Mass karma does not solve this problem either because individual karma, attracting a soul and giving birth to the child, has been achieved, has dissolved in the group karma.’

Sir, we have now dealt with that.

You have felt that well.

‘We have to undergo both karmas and cannot undo that, or change that.’

Not that either.

‘But we can, and in fact we always do that, make new karma, but must deal with karma already caused.

We are now busy smashing new things to pieces.’

You have sensed all those things wonderfully.

And if you just hold on to this for a moment and think through - are you doing that? ,- then you will feel, then you will get hold of a cosmic problem yourself and that is a great, wonderful possession, because if you hold onto this well, sir, then a book will come to you of seven hundred pages, and you will now experience that yourself.

Isn't that nice?

But you have sensed this well, sensed this good.

I must ... I only want ...

See, that unresisting, that does not exist now, but you will also throw that away, won't you?

Won't you?

Will you throw it away?

Yes, those eyes still do not tell me that much.

Will you now throw away that unresisting, is that now done with?

(Gentleman in the hall): "Yes, of course."

Thank you.

(Gentleman in the hall): "Yes, I, I, yes." (laughter)

‘We can in fact make new karma.’

We know that.

‘What you sow you will reap.’

Sir, there you have it.

‘From this it follows that the human being is unresisting at the moment and undergoes that karma passively.’

Well, what were we talking about again?

That is once more ... but that goes once more to the personality, to the human being himself.

‘That is not fatalism, since the human being has it in his own hands in order to make better his coming karma, new karma than the already caused one.’

Also good.

‘The mother who does not want to give birth to any children now and does not get them either now, has laid the seed in her previous lives for the not wanting.’

Sir, that is very good, do you see?

The mother who is not a mother now, for example, that does not need to be destruction from the previous; she could be finished.

Somehow she is still for here.

But there are masses, millions of mothers, who do not have any children, have a miscarriage, the child is taken from the body in bits and pieces; that is karma, otherwise it is not possible, is it?

That lives in disintegration, destruction.

How can creation destroy something if we evolve harmonically, are ready to receive it?

‘It is therefore cosmic disturbance.’

No, sir, that is in the human being.

If you go into that, sir, then I can tell you why and how those tissues are destroyed, sir, and why that child is pulled out of position, sir, and why that child lies there like that, and lies like that, and lies like that, and why why why.

We can explain all of that, the masters can do that.

Just ask a doctor.

Now we come to the doctors, the gynaecologist can get a lecture here, sir, he does not know it, why why why.

Now he starts to look in the tissues; and the spirit has done it.

Material disturbances can now occur by means of a step, a wrong wanting, a wrong lying, but the depth in the human being brought about the disturbance and gave the possibility.

Don't you think it is nice?

Infallible!

I told you the last time that there was a mother.

I was involved with that.

"Now", her brother says, "now she is already twelve months pregnant, and she still does not have a child now."

And then the doctor waited until fourteen months.

Then he says: "Are you crazy or is it me?"

I say: "That doctor must have been a dope, because after nine months ... that is another five months ... in fourteen ..."

Five months, then he still did not know it?

Five months too late?

I would start to scream.

After three weeks then I would scream the walls down.

Then he says: "I will not accept that any longer."

Yes, what a miracle.

By means of suggestion, everything was there.

She was still ... She was still bigger than an ordinary mother.

They thought that she would have triplets, and there was nothing, just air.

Spiritual air, sir, is bad.

Spiritual air is strong.

The will of the human being ...

Now you must just say: the human being has no will.

But the will of the human being in giving birth and creating, sir, nothing can compete with that.

We certainly go through steel infallibly.

‘The mother who now does not want to have any children,’ I have had that.

‘Now the mother receives, must give birth’ - which concerns me - ‘to what she evoked, caused in previous lives.’

We are now that far.

‘Thanking you in advance.’

Did you have anything else?

(Gentleman in the hall): "Not for the moment."

What did you say?

Nothing else?

(Lady in the hall): ‘May I just say something?"

Sir, is this a great problem?

This is worthwhile.

(Lady in the hall tries to say something.)

If we ... those thousands there ...

The University of Christ - I will come to you directly - has hundreds of thousands of books.

And I have to write books about all of that, sir, my life is too short, and about all of that, about thousands of problems, human, divine, spatial matters.

We will write those books when we are on the other side and the direct instrument, the apparatus, the direct voice, is ready.

Then my task will be waiting for me there and that of Master Zelanus and then we will continue.

Because there is not one on earth who has books like me, me.

My task on the other side is to teach mankind, the colleges, the universities later ... and then they can ... they can then start to listen to those sound recordings.

And that will not be long now, we will save them carefully and say: just listen first to those evenings which we gave in 'Ken U Zelven'.

And now sit down, sit down and listen, my word is law!

And now also about this.

You can now say - there are still people-:"Could that be possible?"

But I have the divine law as word in my hands, and I hear that and I see that.

And if I tell you: "It is true, sir", then there is never, there is no longer any going back, because I am a thousand percent certain.

I am true, in these things.

Because do you know what happened to me?

I say: "Pull the other one, I want to see it first", and then they show it to me.

Did you have anything else?

(Gentleman in the hall): "But accepting is wrong."

What did you say?

(Gentleman in the hall): "But accepting is wrong?"

You should know.

(Gentleman in the hall): "You are a thousand percent certain, aren't you?

You may not accept it ..."

I should know.

(Gentleman in the hall): "Yes, for yourself, but if you sit here as an audience."

Accepting is wrong.

(Gentleman in the hall): "Yes."

I can tell you, be pleased that I can tell you it: This word is truth.

There is no damnation.

There is no death.

But now we go higher and higher and higher.

I know that you will go home there soon: Well, could that be true?

Gone evening.

This is the worst thing there is, sir.

The most terrible thing there is.

I am sick of these evenings, don't you know that?

Why?

Yes, one or two people who are sitting there and I can elevate and they say ...

After all, you do not know my happiness; my wisdom is my happiness, my life, my strength, my inspiration.

And then you still say: "Could it be true ...?"

You will not get into it, you will never get into it.

I would just as rather do what I used to do, digging potatoes, than this.

You can take over my task immediately if you want to, because I know your feeling, your feeling.

You are pleased, grateful, but I am not getting out of this what I want to get out of it.

You have to be able to experience acceptance, sir.

I have experienced everything.

You can ... that happiness from that wisdom ...

I told you about wonders, miracles, here; and where are those miracles, where are those wonders?

Oh, sir, they are perhaps lying in the street gutters of the city, but you should know that.

I will not pay the least bit of attention to your happiness.

Do you think this is harsh?

Sir, I am doing it all for myself.

I like it, you will still pay twenty-five cents.

(laughter) And, sir, I will also buy a few bread rolls for that tomorrow, otherwise I would not have it.

So in other words: I have to just talk, otherwise I will not have any food.

Now, sir, then I will sell flowers: "Beautiful flowers!"

You will see how easy I manage to sell them.

I will look into the eyes of the ladies and say: "Oh, mother, I have four, five children and ..." I also have to eat, "beautiful colours, just look, beautiful colours."

That is banter, but fine, it is about this: you say "accepting".

No, sir, that is still not knowing.

If you could experience my word, the books, in the hells and in the heavens, then you would no longer need me.

I know how difficult it is, but I also know how I got it here.

I gave everything for it.

I will tell you a story from the war, I can tell you a hundred thousand things like that which I devoted myself completely to, even if I was a driver.

I get everything out of what I do, I think.

And when the masters came then I said: "Yes, pull the other one."

He says: "I will prove it to you."

In the beginning we always spoke colloquial, dialect.

Then Master Alcar says: "Then we are closer to each other, Jeus.

Because that André whom I will now build up, he doesn't know me yet.

And I must give him strength and inspiration."

Can you feel it too?

Sir, it is time.

Did a lady there have something else?

(Lady in the hall): "Yes, according to sir, the man and the woman who have contact are unresisting, and the woman who refuses has a will, that is not possible, is it?"

Is that true, sir?

(Gentleman in the hall): "I did not understand the lady at all."

The lady says ...

(Lady in the hall): "The man and the woman who have contact are unresisting and the woman who refuses suddenly has a will.

That is not possible, is it?"

No, that is not possible.

She is right, yes.

You say ...

(Lady in the hall): "That is clear."

That is very clear, yes.

(Talking in the hall.

Someone says): "Could you just explain because that gentleman does not understand it properly, he is a bit hard of hearing."

(Jozef begins): She says: “The people who do not want it ...” (The lady adds to it): “ ... who have contact and according to that gentleman do not have a will ...” (Jozef continues): “ ... who have contact as father and mother, have no will, and the woman who does not want any children, she has a will because she does not want the child?”

(Gentleman in the hall): "Yes."

You see, we are going to wanting, sir, that being human, animal and pre-animal and having no meaning for God, that belongs to the destruction.

That is clear, isn't it?

Ladies and gentleman, was I able to give you a little something this evening?

(Hall): "A great deal."

What did you say?

(Hall): "A great deal."

Then see you on Sunday morning in Diligentia.

I thank you for your benevolent attention.

(There is clapping.)