Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.

(Hall): ‘Good evening.’

Is Mr Brand here?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

I have the question here from Mr Brand, I have already had it in my pocket for two weeks, so he may have a turn.

‘A human being knows a lot ...’ That is about what Frederik wrote in the logbook, in ‘Masks and Men.’ ‘A human being knows a lot, he is open to big and small things and he also finishes them, but it is good and evil what he does ...’ And there follows immediately after: ‘Does he know that for himself?

‘By means of Christ he gives himself as a friend, by means of the devil as a satan.’

Yes, is that not true?

‘You usually then see a friend, if you see the life by means of Christ.’

Also clear, isn’t it?

‘But you see the dirty, worn-out mask for the first time when you do not know the soul of that, because those demonic thoughts are represented by this horrible mask.’

What do you still want to know about that?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, that last thing, Mr Rulof, is not very clear to me.

I do not understand that properly.’

Which last thing?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘That last sentence.

By means of Christ he gives himself as a friend.’

If the human being comes with Christ, then the friend stands before you.

A human being who accepts the Christ sincerely, for a hundred percent, he no longer has any mask in that case, does he?

But when you ..., he says, with that satan ...

Then you usually see a friend, usually, if you see the life by means of Christ.

By means of Christ; well put, isn’t it?

‘But you see the dirty, worn-out mask first ...’ That is from that satan. ‘ ... if you do not know the soul of that, because those demonic thoughts are represented by this horrible mask.’

That is the human being whom you come across in the world and does not want anything to do with God and Christ and astral laws.

When you stand before that mask, then you will not know that mask that quickly, and that is the intention.

You cannot look behind it.

But a human being who already accepts the Christ and he does what he is taught, a Protestant, a Catholic, a Reformed person, whatever religion which leads to the Christ, then you stand before a friend of the Christ.

That is very simple and clear, isn’t it?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, but the human being who is posing as a Christian, but does not act like it ...’

Yes, yes, yes.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘ ... under the guise of Christ the greatest crimes took place.’

Yes, sir, if you do not act like it, then that mask is even meaner.

A demon and a satan, you see them.

Yes, they can put on a mask and a beautiful, wonderful garment and all those other things, and are friends, but you will perish.

There are millions of those people living in the world, aren’t there?

And if they use that camouflage, put on that mask, with faith and all those other things, yes, then it is even meaner.

You do not see through that so quickly, do you?

It becomes dangerous.

And Frederik means that.

You would have got that out of it, of course, wouldn’t you?

How deep and beautiful ‘Masks and Men’ are, aren’t they?

A little sentence like that, now you can write a book about it of seven hundred and fifty pages, from this, only to analyse the masks, only with regard to Christ; what will remain of this?

Grow one day; you will get deep ...

How many thousands of personalities do you not see now for this?

Anything else?

I have here: ‘Can you explain why it is that nowadays more so-called mongols are born than before?

The doctor says: “This is because of the war.”

But that is not possible in my opinion, since the last war is still too soon in the past for that.

According to statistics these mongols are born the most to older people who have their first child.’

From who is that?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘From me.’

Sir, Mongols are psychopaths (see article ‘Psychopathy’ on rulof.org) and that has nothing to do with old age.

Have you not read that story in the bible, where a certain ...

What is she called, that midwife?

She was a hundred and eighty years old, and she had quadruplets and triplets and twins, and they were healthy.

They were healthy, he says.

But do you know – I already explained it here once – where those Mongols actually come from?

Why that manifests itself during this time?

That has to do with thousands of problems, and that means ...

Do my people know it?

We have dealt with it here.

Forgotten?

To someone in the hall: Yes?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘It is connected of course to previous lives of the person in question.’

Yes, also that, of course.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘But then it cannot have anything to do with the last war?’

No, not at all, that war means nothing.

(To a lady in the hall): What did you say, madam?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Is it the evolution of the human being?’

Yes, it is evolution.

But now you must listen carefully.

We have still not reached a spiritual level in the world.

I will now tell you something, you will never get that out of it.

We have still not reached a spiritual level.

And we are still busy with the inbreeding.

The human being who has the highest consciousness – that is now, isn’t it? – will perhaps come back in a thousand years.

But then the world will also be further once more, society and mankind, and then the consciousness of a people will be higher.

So, at this moment we get ...

If you already have and give birth to a healthy child, then you are already one in millions.

A mother who can say: ‘My child is healthy’ and ‘My child is wonderful’, then you are already amazingly lucky; and that proves that mankind has progressed a great deal in the last thousand years, in the last ten million years.

Because that inbreeding, that destruction, which we all experienced from the jungle – then we began, we exceeded laws – that race (see article ‘There are no races’ on rulof.org) now comes back to earth again, and millions of other cores and grades of people who lived during that and that time and knew only destruction.

So it is really not so bad.

It could be that bad that half of The Hague was a mongol.

That means: if a hundred children are born, you can have ninety-five who are psychopathic.

And if you now take those weighing scales – that is also harmony again, that is cosmic harmony – if you take those weighing scales and you put the conscious down there and here the unconsciousness, it is the consciousness and unconsciousness, then those scales will remain in balance anyway.

But can you feel what I mean?

That the reincarnation, the evolution, centuries and centuries ago, is now born, and is psychopathic?

Is that not clear?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Why is it not so ... The doctors who say: there are more of them born than, let me say, ten years ago.’

Then you must listen carefully.

(To someone in the hall): What did you say?

(Gentleman in the hall): The doctors say that are more being born now than otherwise.’

Look, now you have during wars ...

What is a war?

If you take that war spiritually, then you will feel that those same masses, that draws anyway, whether there is war or not ... That war means nothing, it can change nothing about it and give nothing.

And why not?

Because the human being from 1914 is now still alive – do you feel? – or attracts a soul, a life which has already lived centuries and centuries ago on earth, perhaps five thousand years ago, and has no understanding of 1914-1918.

So you can just put those wars aside.

But people attract the same attunement, as a grade of life, and evolution, and that is unconsciousness, and that manifests itself as psychopathy.

Is that clear?

That doctor cannot give you that answer.

Do you feel, what is a war now, what is four years now out of four hundred million years?

(Gentleman in the hall talks through it.) You see, it becomes childish, this is childish.

There will come ... In five thousand, ten thousand years we will be here on earth, then we will be a lot further, but then the wild ones from 1940-1945 will come back.

And then they will say: ‘I have one here who looks like Adolf Hitler.’

Yes, that is possible.

Yes, sir, that is possible.

But Adolf was not so wild (see article ‘Hitler’ on rulof.org).

Do you think that he was very wild?

Do you have any more questions about this?

There are some here who walk on the street, who are much wilder.

(To someone in the hall): What is it, sir?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘That question of the Mongols, does that have that influence of the sperm?’

(Jozef waits with answering, it is quiet for a long time, and there is some nervous laughing in the hall.)

Yes, we are sitting there now.

The reader is standing still here, isn’t he, Mr Götte?

Mr Götte, you are asking something which you know, because that is not possible.

This is why I came like that, I am thinking ...

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘ ... it shows itself as a Mongol. But when the white race has a society, then you just expect ordinary, almost ordinary, it can sometimes go on for a few generations ...’

You mean this: whether it is absolutely material, don’t you, sperm is material ... a hereditary question.

No, sir.

Look, the soul gives birth and creates the organism.

Every disharmony in the human being – we talked about it recently, about being blind, and he has lost an arm, and he comes into the world like that, and he is this – those are not injustices of God, but that is a disharmonic state or of the personality in that mother, or the mother has experienced something, has fallen, this, that, and the other, and because of this a disturbance occurred.

That is also possible.

And that is also the case.

But every illness and all the miseries in the organism, you see them separately, that is already in that organism.

But a mongol, that goes directly to psychopathy (see article ‘Psychopathy’ on rulof.org) – do you feel? – that is half-waking consciousness.

That spirit has no normal law.

There you have it.

What is a psychopath?

Why does the psychopath deform the body?

You should see those wretches some time, shouldn’t you?

In Noordwijk I came across a few in the summer, a club was out walking, I say: ‘Oh, those brothers.’

Oh, waving, waving, and happy and happy.

I say: ‘Yes, I am family of yours.

I am just out of that.

I am just out of that psychopathy.’

And all of us.

And then you should see those twisted faces and those hands, and this and that, that cannot talk; that comes to earth, in the mother, that no longer has any natural consciousness.

Because if you put a seed into the ground – it goes like that – and you keep on adding rat poison and it still has the power that it continues, so you do not kill that seed, then you feel, then you just get a disturbance in that.

And that spirit, that life of feeling of this personality therefore does not feed the body in a normal, natural, harmonic way.

Because the life of feeling drives the body.

So that spirit no longer has any harmony, because it has exceeded those laws.

So that spirit is actually still asleep, half asleep, a bit of this and a bit of that, a pandemonium, and that pandemonium is there in that organism.

And now those tissues must start to condense in a natural harmonic love-power, from the embryonic life in the mother, must start to radiate and grow, and there is no normal feeling in that cell.

And now you get that twisted character.

That twisted character is the twisted face.

The human being reflects the inner self so truly and precisely on the outside, that is a watertight case.

And the psychologist is still standing looking, he says: ‘Search me what kind of people they are.’

He does not know.

Perfectly simple: they are psychopaths.

Insane people?

Oh, those people, they are mad.

No, sir, they are not mad.

They tell you the absolute truth.

We have social consciousness.

But who says of us that we are spiritually, really, harmonically in contact with the creation?

But those people fight a battle for life and death in order to release themselves – the insanity – in order to release themselves from animal-like carry-on, that is not the psychopath, the psychopath, that is the insane person, the possessed person.

And now you get thousands of grades in that again.

‘But’, master Zelanus once said in Diligentia – the Catholic church could kill us, couldn’t it?

‘If no religion had originated, then there would not be any religious maniacs either.’

It is so perfectly simple.

Just like ‘Masks and Men’; Frederik says there in the mental institution to Hans: ‘He is hanging between heaven and earth.’

‘What kind of person is that?’ Hans says.

He says: ‘He, he wants to go to Mohammed, no, to Jehovah, but he forgot his ladder, and now he is dangling between heaven and earth.’

Isn’t he?

They dangle and hang between heaven and earth.

If you had those people at the moment!

You do not become crazy here, if you do not do it yourself.

This is so real.

I should have succumbed a thousand times long ago, but I cannot succumb, because there are always foundations again.

Aren’t there, or not?

But if those religious maniacs had already learned at school: there is no damnation, and God is like this, and God is this; my dear God, yes, my dear God, then you cannot sink away into a void.

And then Jehovah and God cannot be seen between heaven and earth, but then He is here.

And then you do not get any holes and any complexes in that personality. But once they are in that, you will not get them out so quickly again.

Isn’t it simple?

Now you will talk.

Complexes, religion; become crazy, become hazy, are walking there.

How many bible patients do we not have?

How can God’s word make you crazy, if it is good? But people who want to possess this themselves, they also want that from a master like that, and from ... (inaudible), yes, then you lose your legs, the ground under your legs and then you start to float, and then you no longer know it.

Then you enter the occult cosmic school.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Mr Rulof?’

Yes, sir.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I know a family, they have all become religious maniacs.

They murdered each other.

That was a family with a father and a mother with seven children, six or seven children, and they went bible reading and singing in the evening.

But one preferred to go into nature, he did not take part in it.

But according to them he was the satan.

One evening he came home again and then they had agreed: when he comes home again, then we will strangle him.

So he came in, then they cut his neck and put the head on the burning stove.’

Did you experience that?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘That happened in 1940 under Waardenburg.’

Good grief.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Father and mother and five or six children.

One brother had also helped, he then cut off the head from the neck and put the head on a burning stove like that.’

That happened?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘That happened in Waardenburg.

The whole family is now in an institution.’

All because of the bible.

The bible has made at least twenty million patients.

Bible patients.

Isn’t that terrible?

And now they are still there. Now you can ...

If only those people were rid of damnation, if only those people were rid of the last Judgement.

That God who ...

If you hear those stories, if you read those stories ...

Then a prophet is walking there with a bald head and then children shout at him.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, that is in the Old Testament, that was the prophet Elisha. He had a bald head and then the children followed him: ‘Bald head, bald head.’

And then God had a few bears collected from the wood and they mauled twenty-two children.’

Twenty-two children; and it was good too, it says.

You see, the people become crazy because of it.

‘If you take part in that, if you follow that Jozef Rulof, then you will become crazy’, they say.

(Lady in the hall): ‘No, then you become precisely better.’

What did you say?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Then you become precisely better.’

Madam, I will put you on the ground with both feet.

I will take away your fear.

I will take your fear away completely.

When you have finished reading those nineteen books, then you will already no longer need me.

But they do not like us.

No, then they will no longer have any castles, you see, then they will lose the human being.

Isn’t it terrible?

And then they still say: ‘Then you must not let rip.’

And all the things which happen every day for a chagrin, because God’s word says it.

Arguments.

‘Sit down’, one has a generous feeling, ‘sit down, I tell you’, a curse on top of it; oh, it does not matter, just open that bible, and then a mantilla on your head: ‘Pray!’

Now, I believe that you knock me from here with clubs if I took part in that.

Look, mankind will soon get the open, the clarity.

We do not need to pray, because that will not help you anyway.

Mussolini prayed for the whole ...

Millions of people prayed: just do not go to Abyssinia (Ethiopia), just do not go.

And that one little mite from Italy went anyway.

Millions of prayers did not help.

Flowers for Mary and flowers for Our Lord; that fat Mussolini went anyway.

I think: now you should see that twit gorging.

(laughter) He goes anyway.

He says: ‘Just go away.’

All of Rome was praying, right next to him; he went anyway.

Cardinals pray, the pope prayed: ‘Just do not go.’

He went anyway.

Now, you should work out what is in that.

The pope was praying: ‘Just do not go, do not go, do not go, do not go’, and sent it over the world, he thinks: then he will hear it.

But Mussolini said: ‘I will go.’

And then the people say: ‘Does the human being have an own will?’

He went.

And you can go on like this.

The bible has made millions of people crazy.

There are people who want this and want that.

People also come here, they want to absorb that, master it, even more, even more, even more, and then they do it wrong and then, well ... ‘You see, you must not go there, because that is dangerous’, they say, ‘that is perilous.

That society of Jozef Rulof is a madhouse.’

But not so crazy as ...

We still do not have any religious maniacs in the mental institution.

And that man whom you are talking about there, that prophet, he still lives in the Reformed church.

He will perhaps have a beard now, I think, but people accept that, because God said it.

And God knocks a flock of children from the world, and he does this and he does that.

And you should read through that.

It is enough to make you weep, weep, weep.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Mr Rulof?’

An Indian woman came to our house, she had had a child in the jungle and could not have that child baptised so quickly.

Then the minister made that of it, that the child ...

That woman came to us and told that story.

Well, my wife had a word with the woman, and also told how it is possible that a minister do such a thing to a human being.

When she had explained that a bit, and then that woman put her arms around my wife’s neck, from gratitude that she was rid of that sting.’

There are people, sir, if you tell those people a little bit of what you now know, then they will be grateful to you for centuries from joy.

A thrashing like that knocks them back into that darkness every moment.

What a poverty, isn’t it?

But we have it, and it is fine with that.

Did you have anything else about those mongols, sir?

You also, sir, about those crazy people, psychopathy?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, Mr Rulof.’

Yes, madam.

(Lady in the hall): ‘You were talking about that those souls had to wait for tens of thousands of years in order to return to earth again. But that is always so very long, or could this also be within a shorter time?’

Madam, there are some in the world of the unconscious, who have already been waiting for a hundred thousand years.

If Adolf Hitler and the people, the wild ones of 1940-1945 come back, perhaps we will then be living in (the year) 46422.

Look, the worse you let rip, the more difficult your return will come.

Because those who are still somewhat in harmony, are attracted.

So if you let rip a great deal here on earth, you also eliminate yourself much further, because you cannot be attracted.

Millions will go before you.

You have spoiled, sullied, shredded and squandered your normal birth according to God and the cosmos.

Is that clear?

And ten thousand years, madam, is nothing, nothing.

And you can be born again in seven months, seven hours if it is necessary; you can die here, and then this morning, if it is twelve o’clock here, then you can be born again here somewhere in the world this morning at seven o'clock.

(Lady in the hall): ‘So that possibility exists?’

Yes indeed.

Just as quickly as the giving birth and the birth of the child takes in the mother.

That is already over in seven months.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Mr Rulof, may I ask you something?

I experienced it myself, I lost a one year old boy and I did not have so much grief, because shortly after that, immediately after that I was expecting again.

And I did not know anything about your work, did I, and then I had the feeling, and I said that to people, that he must come back.

Yes.

What was that actually?

And I had that feeling all the time.'

That is possible.

Then I had a boy again.

Now I later started to think about that again, because I came to you.’

First it was a girl?

(Lady in the hall): ‘No, that was also a boy again.’

Also a boy again.

Look, they have not asked me those questions much here.

But it is possible.

For example: people have lost a child – I have met those people – and that same personality came back irrevocably.

That can happen seven times.

Seven times.

That means: seven grades for the birth, and seven times in order to build up that material, that possibility, that is the coming into harmony with the giving birth, with the birth, with the mother.

So the spirit comes into harmony with the mother.

And then it is possible that you have a miscarriage: child gone.

Another one. Another one.

Child gone.

And the same child comes back up to seven times.

That also happens.

Did you know that, madam?

Isn’t that interesting?

Yes, the human being possesses mill, millions of possibilities in order to give birth and to create and to come back.

You will feel, you heard that on Sunday in Diligentia, the human being has God in his hands.

And we just do something wrong ...

If we did not do wrong ...

The less you have, the easier you are ...

You do not need to master anything; if you know about this, then it will be a bliss ‘behind the coffin.’

When you come there soon one for one, then someone will come to you.

Perhaps it will be a friend, your parents, when they are also that far. Most people do not have that, because those parents say, they do not want that, or whatever; those are already gulfs, worlds, different worlds.

But if one comes next to you ... Someone will irrevocably come to you, collect you; you will not find the path alone.

Isn’t that nice too?

When you die, ladies and gentlemen, then you will find the path; no, you do not need to know the path, because you go infallibly to your spiritual attunement.

Infallibly.

But there is always someone to collect you, because that is the nicest work there is.

You come from that coffin, from that body, eyes nice and closed, you do nothing, the talk has gone.

The greatest ones, the busiest ones, those who had the most talk, eat from your hand.

Barking?

That is no longer possible there.

Snarling?

Mouth closed.

The spiritual club, Mr Veenkamp, is already there.

And then you just have to surrender.

And if that man then talks or that woman, then you are already grateful.

And if he starts to say: ‘Now you are nice and dead, aren’t you?’

Haha, then they start to laugh.

Yes, that will only come after a fortnight, three weeks, perhaps after four months, six months, because you can lie there unconscious for six, seven months, eight months, a year and a half, and then ...

Just like a patient, isn’t it?

Now the patient, the spiritual patient comes forward.

Ladies and gentlemen, if you have not reached the first sphere, you are spiritually ill.

I told it recently, if we had a school, if I was allowed to set up the school with spiritual development – this is universal development, but the spiritual development – then we begin with the first, and the master on the other side does that, with the very first one: what is true in my thinking and what is untrue?

Recently I said about this: now you can also learn a lot if you have each other, man and wife, friends.

What do we not know now?

And then you must write that down one day.

Everyone who has experienced all those lectures over the years and has read those books, can write a thick book for himself.

Isn’t that true?

And then you must start to answer those questions one day.

All the things you know!

Master Zelanus recently said it, but that is true.

From my old ones, who have experienced everything, all those eight hundred and so many lectures, and who have really absorbed those books, if I sent those ones there one by one to peoples, if the masters want that, then they can act the prophet; if you just repeat precisely what you learned.

Then no one can convince you, you go over all the heads, over the consciousness of the world.

Don’t you?

But then we must begin with: what is good?

What is true?

What is wrong?

In how many things are we wrong?

But then we must begin with the every-day things, with the social things.

You cannot get any consciousness, if you do not begin here with those and those and those things.

(To someone in the hall): What did she have?

(Lady in the hall): ‘A little baby.’

Did a baby come, did you say?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.’

That is the universal development, do you see?

And then you get there ‘behind the coffin’ in the first place: yes.

That.

It is true.

Now you are in that world.

Is there a doubt?

Is there distrust?

Is there this?

There are people who read, have experienced everything, were crazy; after two years, gone.

‘Huh, I have my belly full of Jozef Rulof.’

He has his belly full of the other side, but here you already live on the other side.

I laugh right in the faces of those people.

The human being who, for example, suddenly says: ‘Gosh, that jumble, that destruction, Jozef Rulof is a fakir, a magician.’

Oh yes.

Well done, sir.

But then Christ is and God and everything also ...

But do you know what is magic?

They do not know.

They do not know.

Here you live ‘behind the coffin’, and if you want to achieve that, you will not only get it by reading; you must begin with it.

‘Behind the coffin’, remember, you are either psychopathic, spiritually unconscious, or you have real thinking, acting, feeling.

And if you begin with that, really begin – I already shouted it at you once – then you will say in a year’s time to yourself: ‘My God, my God, how I have changed.

How I have changed.’

In a year you can achieve a great deal, if you just lay those foundations there.

Did you have anything else about this?

Is it not true, Mr Veenkamp?

Your little daughter is now also there, isn’t she?

She will know it.

She will soon get someone next to her, master Zelanus says.

It is about this.

Do you have any more questions about this?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, Mr Rulof, a small definition, a very small one, about the quick birth, of the dying and being born again, already within seven months, that is to me not ...’

You cannot accept that?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No, it is not clear to me.’

Not clear. Why not?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Well, because I do not understand it.’

Sir, have you read ‘The Origin of the Universe’ and ‘Those who Returned from the Dead’, ‘The Cycle of the Soul’ by me?

You see, you will come across those laws there.

‘Spiritual Gifts.’

But the birth, here in Europe you do not have that so soon, you used to have that more.

For example, recently in British India, that happened twenty-three, twenty-four years ago.

Those high priests experienced it a lot.

Someone comes to me, who says: ‘I experienced it myself, sir, I accept immediately what you are writing there.’

I say: ‘It is possible, but then it is a task.’

Because we people all live in disharmony.

We are not in harmony with the cosmos and the astral world, that is not possible after all, is it?

So because of that we have shredded all our normal, divine being-born-on-time, because we just started to live loosely.

And there is suicide, murder, theft and all those other things, people talk about lust and violence.

Sir, that still means nothing, as long as it does not concern murder, because murder eliminates you for the normal, real, harmonic birth.

And then we must come back.

And now we have fatherhood, now we have motherhood.

So we are connected to thousands of laws as it were.

And they are all harmonic and it happens of its own accord, on time, on the second.

And then there was ...

Between life and death, the masters call that the world of the unconscious, that means: the human being comes there asleep and becomes an embryo.

Can you accept that you and all of us, that we soon ...

We now come from ‘the coffin’.

If you have to return to the earth, then you dissolve completely.

I saw that, I am talking about what I saw, sir.

I disembody and I have seen and was able to follow those laws with those masters, otherwise I do not know either.

So I am telling you from the truth.

Then you dissolve completely and you come back to an embryo, to a spark like that, and in this way you are attracted by father and mother, because that is also embryonic again.

That is therefore right, isn’t it?

Now we have exceeded those laws.

We were!

Now you get: months.

Nature gives birth itself and creates itself within a time.

If you see nature, then winter is over, and it then comes in the spring ... We would give birth every year.

But the human being has according to his consciousness another deeper, more spacious evolution, that means: the human being gives birth, it lasts a certain number of months; people call that months, but they are grades of life, they are transitions of condensings, of growth, the feeling grows, growths; what happened in the cosmos, that all takes place in that mother, and then a month is actually a grade, and then there are seven transitions; and it would then be seven months, but that is not right then.

If we are now free from sins, faults, disharmony, sir, then it could be possible, be possible.

But then it is a task, I tell you, and then I will come back immediately; then you could be attracted in a short time, in seven months, even in seven hours and be born again on earth.

But then we are also cosmically completely in balance with all the divine laws.

Who is that?

But now it has happened in history, people had that a lot in Egypt: a ‘winged one’ came on time.

But in British India recently, there was a high priest and he died, he passed on, and he said: ‘I will come back again in the morning, because it was given to me to continue my task.’

And that chap came back.

He says: ‘You will soon hear from me, I am here in the area again.’

But that is in the hands of masters, do you see?

And that man continues a school there, that is the wisdom, eastern wisdom, and those schools are still busy.

That means, they are connected to the mystical space.

The University of Christ possesses mystical spaces, mystical teachers too, for that and that and that and that, in order to build that up and they remember and pass that on, because Egypt, China, Japan, the East built up the mysticism.

Didn’t they?

Now that man is born.

They did not know where.

He says: ‘You will soon hear from me.’

Six years later, three years later it already began.

Then the child began to speak: ‘Mum, I am not staying here, because I am going to the temple.

There is a temple there, isn’t there?’

‘Yes.’

Where did the child get that from?

Not seen.

When he was six years old, then he says: ‘Mum, I am leaving, because I want to have my dog, because my dog is also yonder.’

Then he says: ‘You are my mother, but you are not, because my other mother lives yonder and my dog is also there.’

And he went there.

And the parents of six years ago were also there, those parents were also there, they thought that they had lost their child.

And he soon began to talk in the previous consciousness, so the reincarnation was absolutely conscious; masters had that in their hands, because otherwise it slips away in his consciousness.

And if you have made a study of that, then it is also perfectly simple that he has remained in that life of feeling, in this and that being born, and perhaps a few more things, for study, completely conscious; because that man did and wanted nothing else.

If you decide this evening: I want to be a priest and you do not let go of that, you will not get a tap on your head or something, then you will also irrevocably become pope, because you will make it.

That feeling brings you to the highest of its own accord.

And if you enter there, and you have experienced that, only then will you know, and then you will let go of it again, and then you will begin with nature.

Isn’t it simple?

And that could be proven in this way.

That has been proved several times. That man says: ‘I am it.’

And then he came after six years ...

A gentleman who had read my books, ‘The Cycle of the Soul’, ‘A View into the Hereafter’ and those other books, comes to me and later tells me: ‘Mr Rulof, it all fits exactly.

But I have now experienced something nice now.’

And he told that.

I say: ‘Yes, I also heard it.’

And that is true, sir.

But we people, and not only that man, but there are thousands of people, not millions, thousands, who therefore get a quick birth because of their task, in order to just prove to the human being again: How is it possible?

I was that, reincarnation, I have my full consciousness.

You find things in my books, sir, I should already be able to convince the whole world with that.

In ‘Jeus of mother Crisje’: as a child I found money in the wood and all those other things; you should be able to convince the world with that, shouldn’t you?

I am lying sleeping, I wanted to go the fair, we had no money, I got ten cents, a thread comes from the air, I was already gone.

I follow it, and go into the woods for an hour and a half, and I find money.

Next to that money the spirit is standing who has taken me along, has written the books, he says: ‘Yes, you may have twenty-five cents.’

Twenty-five cents.

You should read it sometime, sir.

You could actually have convinced the whole of mankind with that.

But what does the human being do?

Hahaha.

There are hundreds of thousands of pieces of proof like that.

And can you convince the people with that?

I have millions of pieces of proof of eternal life after death.

This afternoon I also got a revelation, a wonder, only by means of art, by means of the books, the wisdom.

Yes, sir, and then the human being must start to think.

But it is possible.

So if that man, if I, if you enter a task, and you have worked yourself up spiritually as it were and you are the one who can deal with that, sir, then you go before those who have experienced that murder and manslaughter and everything.

Because the master says of those who murder: ‘He now eliminates himself for so many thousands of centuries.’

Because the human being, that priest, he was of course in harmony with that and that and that.

And he told himself, he could not harm a fly, let alone a human being.

So he was in harmony and brought this, he continued his own wisdom.

And then he left his first parents, ‘Just do not weep, father and mother’, he says.

‘And not you either, father and mother, and I have even more fathers and mothers.

Because you will soon lose me anyway, because I am going back, I am the head of the temple.’

And he left. Then he was eight years old and then he was standing there with the same wisdom.

But that only just happens once in a hundred years in the East, that someone like that arises, do you see?

Ramakrishna was also one of them; but not even that.

And in this way there were, once in hundreds of years ...

In Egypt people prayed, people begged, sir – if you hear the dramas – in order to get a Great Winged One; and he came.

Until the time when they forgot themselves again, and then it was ...

Just read my ‘Between Life and Death’, that is about Egypt.

Then white became black, yes.

Then they lived it up and then they no longer had any contact.

Did you also have a question about this?

Can you understand it, sir?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, of course.’

There is something to it, don’t you think?

This is a question, which therefore connects you with a hundred thousand possibilities, because we people have kicked, chased ourselves from the harmonic creation and giving birth.

Who still has a question about this?

Worthwhile, isn’t it, to come back again here and there in seven hours’ time.

(To a woman in the hall): Yes, madam.

(Lady in the hall): ‘But if you do not want to come back to the earth?’

What did you say?

(Lady in the hall): ‘But if you do not want to come back to earth?’

If you do not want to come back.

Madam, not-wanting-to-come-back does not exist in space.

The cycle of the earth means ... You have the white race (see article ‘There are no races’ on rulof.org); you have already achieved your cycle as organism, we can say, because the white race, and the coloured people, that is the seventh grade for the human organism.

We do not have any types of race here, but grades of development.

And then the human being is ...

We come from the jungle and we now live in the white race (see article ‘There are no races’ on rulof.org).

And then we can say, for Europe then: ‘Those people will not come back again.’

But millions have to come back, only because of murder, manslaughter, and perhaps also for the organism.

That means: you experience as spirit and life of feeling, but as personality, the highest organism which Mother Earth prepared for us.

Do you see?

(Lady in the hall): ‘But do you not go to another planet then?

Can it not happen in a shorter ...?’

You have already gone through that, we already have that behind us.

You must read the books ‘The Origin of the Universe’.

They have been sold out, but they are still available in the library.

We come from the moon.

If you do not know those laws, and the academic is here and you say: ‘The moon, we come from the moon ...’

According to the academics the moon was spat out by the earth, a spark of the earth.

They do not know what the situation is.

But the moon is dying.

But the moon has still accomplished a task.

Have you ever been able to see an insect, a spark in nature, in creation which lives, but does nothing?

Have you ever seen a dead being which has not known any life?

That is not possible, is it?

But would that moon, that big moon, which is not that big, but that wonderful inspiration, that body, that spirit, would that have done nothing?

They only just look at those craters which are there.

They cannot explain them either.

But that moon gave birth to us.

Then we went to transitions, secondary planets, and transitions again. There was life on Mars, Mars is also already almost dying. And finally the earth was ready and we came to earth.

So you go to planets, once again, but then we must first be free from the earth, first conquer this, not only the physical, but now we must begin with our cause and effect and our murders.

You are now a woman, but you will perhaps come back as a man, madam, because the soul lives in both organisms.

We must come back, only for fatherhood and motherhood, in order to absolutely experience and undergo that as space; that is the possession of the planet, by means of the planet we get consciousness.

And if you now really die, we now accept, you will soon enter ‘the coffin’, then you will come on the other side in a world – and now I can soon point you to ‘A View into the Hereafter’, and then you will see your own world – in a world such as your life of feeling is.

And millions of people still live there.

If you hate, then you will enter the Land of Hatred.

If you love, then you go higher and higher and higher.

Then you have seven spheres to experience – we call them heavens – and when you are through that, through the seventh sphere, madam, then you get the mental areas, also areas for reincarnation.

Also again as an embryo.

And then you enter a new universe.

And that is the fourth cosmic grade.

Then you have the fifth, the sixth, and the seventh cosmic grade is the All-Consciousness, the All-Stage.

You will read that in those three books ‘The Origin of the Universe.’

(Lady in the hall): ‘I do not want to go back to the earth again.’

(laughter)

The human being who says ...

Madam, there is no place anymore on the other side, not a centimetre left or I have been there.

I have disembodied fifty thousand times.

We now already do that in a few minutes.

That even happened this evening, that can happen while talking.

But I therefore know the hells, the heavens, the cosmos, the planets, the stars.

We have been in the Divine All.

I have cosmic books.

We do not yet have the money, so they cannot be published yet. But we also have ‘The Cosmology’, apart from those twenty.

But I know that whole universe, heavens, I have experienced all the heavens, everything, everything, everything.

When I am there soon, I will also want to come back again.

You do not know what you are saying.

If that word from you passes on, could pass on ... And there are more people who say: ‘I do not want that, and I want ...’

Madam, you do not know what you are saying.

Because life on earth is beautiful, even if you are under the ground.

You do not know yourself, do not know life. You do not know what you are here for.

But you will be conscious for rain and wind, for darkness and light, for love and happiness, bliss, benevolence, the kingdom of God, Christ said.

And even if that society and those peoples are so wild, I live in a paradise and I will not let myself be beaten from there, by no one.

And a task ...

The people ...

You do not even need to be happy with what you are doing.

I am pleased with my books and that wisdom.

Oh, madam, when that sun rises and it rains so deliciously, I deceived them here, just let yourself be soaked by the rain, watch out for the cold, just go into the thundering of the space and just become one with everything.

Here you can achieve a great deal on earth.

Here you can still do it with a small present, with a nice thing, but on the other side you stand naked, naked ...

You have a few rags on, we have a few rags on there.

The more beautiful we become inwardly, and are, the more powerfully our garment radiates, because that has been formed by our life of feeling and consciousness.

We have silver and gold sandals there, madam.

Do you have ‘Masks and Men’?

You do not know that either of course.

But, here on earth you can do this and do that and a thousand other things; there you have nothing, you cannot even talk there.

And I already say, ‘behind the coffin’ ...

Which of you can say and dare to claim, that he does not have a weak, small wrong fault?

And a wrong fault, a fault is unconsciousness, is lack of feeling, lack of love, lack of justice, benevolence.

And then we start to descend and run and run, and then we run empty like a thread of a big skein of spun wool.

We pull at the thread and we roll off the whole personality, because there was no possession.

Otherwise that refuses, then there is something stuck.

The human being is like a cosmic ball, and there is a thread on it.

And then you have people here on earth, if you just pull like that, then you unravel the whole cosmic happening.

It runs away of its own accord.

Then I come to people and then I also want to pull at that thread, and then it says: ‘Poom.’

Then I think: oh, he has so many possessions?

But for millions of people you can pull and then the whole skein of spun wool runs off, that cosmic skein of spun wool unravels of its own accord, because there is no spiritual foundation there.

But you would not like to come back?

Madam, I want to come back again.

Because I know the other side, I know the space; you can fly there, you can go where you want, you no longer have trouble, any hunger, any misery, you fly through the space – all the peoples of the earth are at your hand – if you feel like going to America, then you will be there in one second.

The people in the world have nothing more to say, you are a king; if you have consciousness, then you are a king of the space.

That globe, Mother Earth, is still nothing.

It is so much.

But I know them there, I have spoken to them there.

I have stood, that I succumbed in this work, I think: I can no longer bear it. Then there were a hundred million, madam, who would have liked to take it over from me, who looked at me, I say: ‘Yes, I still have it.’

‘Oh, if only I had a body now, in order to be able to do that.’

I say: ‘If you can do it, I can do it too.’

I came back.

They would like that.

Life on earth is so awe-inspiringly beautiful, if you understand it.

Silence.

Talking.

Thinking.

To be one from feeling to feeling, for man and wife.

Arts and sciences.

To do art.

A conversation about growth, expansion, about rebirth, about the hereafter, about reincarnations, the whole world charges at you and that goes through both of you.

Hand in hand you live here, you can speak, you can do, work quite well, then you can also have a pleasant, nice and cosy home, you do not need to have a lot of possessions, as long as you can live; the life on earth is one big deep wonderful bliss.

But what do people make of it?

Why would you not want to come back again, madam?

Because you do not know it here.

You see a chaos here, don’t you?

But there is no chaos here on earth.

We live in a dirty – I will use a nice word – in a dirty, filthy mess, don’t we, madam, but it is not there, at least not for me, I have nothing to do with that shambles.

If there is that filth and that mess, then that does not concern me, I have nothing to do with it.

And then you will get your kingdom anyway, amongst those millions.

And if he wants to steal, then I do not need to do it.

And if he wants that, sir, that does not mean a thing to me.

You will get to know, feel, experience your happiness. And then life will become beautiful.

Won’t it, sir?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, I completely agree with that, without beating about the bush, I myself also experience, that the question, the closer to God’s life, the more beautiful that the world is, and the more pleasant it is there.’

But if that lady says: ‘I do not want to come back here’, you will feel, thousands and thousands of people say that.

It is a fine mess where we are living.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘That is poverty, isn’t it?’

Poverty.

But you do not need to go along.

(Lady in the hall): ‘No.

But, Mr Rulof, here, for example, if you commit a murder here, then you are taken prisoner, and in Korea then, the more murders you commit ...’

Do you see? Do you see?

Madam, we are fighting against that.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘That is a problem.’

They are not stupid dogs, as people say, but they are unconscious of spirit.

They go there, get a thing like that.

Recently soldiers came back from Korea, madam, and our Royal Highness was standing there, he says: ‘You have proved that you ...’

Oh yes, that did not come from here, but he still had to read from a note.

‘You have proved that you are soldiers who ...’

Oh oh oh.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Do you not find that a madhouse?’

Madhouse?

It is a devilish carry-on.

And we are not concerned with those people, madam; we are concerned with, we say: ‘We no longer shoot, we no longer let ourselves be commanded to kill.

Now we begin with the building up of an eternal consciousness.’

The murders, murders, murders; you have seen it, the human being who had nothing to do with it in 1940-1945 also went along, because he thought: yes, that’s it.

Sir, how can you involve yourself with violence?

How can you follow a human being who wants to change the world by means of violence?

What did Christ do when Peter took a sword there?

He says: ‘Peter, Peter, what I have worked on all those years, you beat to pieces in one blow.’

And we here just go: prrrrrr.

(Makes the noise of a machine gun)

And then they also come, and then you also get something nice pinned to your jacket.

Could you not do them an injury, ladies and gentlemen?

I think that we must have a cup of tea for the shock ...

(To someone in the hall): Is it time already?

(Gentleman who takes care of the sound recording): ‘Not yet, I must say.’

Oh, not yet.

(There is much laughter.)

You could do them an injury.

Madam, you should go and talk to those people.

My people, different people from the society, a baroness, a countess, sent ‘The Peoples of the Earth’ to Queen Wilhelmina.

‘You must not kill.’

‘Perhaps it will get through to her’, they said.

And then it was just a question of waiting, folks, just waiting.

Well, then one death sentence came after the other.

‘You will represent “You will not kill”, He said.

You will not kill!

And they killed so that sparks flew.

And I should have respect for that?

Is that true?

Do you see whom people love?

I have respect for that life.

But not for the things which are done there.

‘You will not kill’ it is said again and again.

And Her Majesty Juliana, or queen that and that from Heemskerk, she razed a village in Korea to the ground, five thousand people were gone.

In her name, madam, in her name.

Nice honour to be a queen.

But you will not kill.

They pray and pray and pray, pray and the God, and the God, and Father, Father ...

Tomorrow ...

Oh yes, just pray, oh yes, just pray.

‘Well, just doing my business.

Oh, there is another one, we have got another one; yes yes, that man must die: death sentence.’

But: pray, pray.

Do you not find that gruesome?

And they are the royal conscious of spirit in this society.

Yes, at Christmas little Juliana spoke so beautifully; a sweet child.

I wanted them to take me to court one time: ‘You said something about the queen.’

I say: ‘Yes.

Yes, sir, just take me to court.’

‘Do you have a lawyer?’

‘No, sir, I will speak myself.’

‘Oh yes.’

‘Fine, your honour.

Yes, your honour, I said that.

I am representing myself.‘

I wanted it to happen one day, madam.

I say: ‘You talk here, you administer justice, don’t you?’

‘Yes.’

‘By means of the bible, don’t you?’

‘Yes.’

I say: ‘You obey the bible?’

‘Yes indeed.’

I say: ‘You are lying.’

I say: it says there ‘You will not kill’.

And have you never pronounced a death sentence?

Why do you not obey the word of God?

You see that you are lying in your administration of justice.’

I drove them mad with talking like that.

‘You say that you administer justice, and you lay your hand on the bible, but the bible begins with nonsense.

And I am not even talking about that, but I am just following ‘you will not kill’ and then I will always be ready.

Why do you not listen to God then?

And do you wish to deceive me that you are divinely just?

Raise two fingers, ‘May God Almighty help me.’

You are still in a quagmire yourself.

And you want to try me?

Just go ahead, sir.’

But: you will not kill.

Why did she do that?

I only just wanted to say something nice about this personality. It is such a pity, isn’t it, that this beautiful soul, shreds and destroys itself, because she approves that people kill a child of God.

Those ten commandments, madam, they help me and prove me right.

But they do not do it.

Is that not a pity?

The queen, the old queen, they sent the book ‘The Peoples of the Earth’, madam.

And the people next to her looked. In 1937 she already read ‘The Cycle of the Soul’, people said.

Reformed, Protestant, she no longer needed anything.

Juliana said: ‘Let the strong of spirit come this year, our entirety needs that, the sensitive of spirit must arise.’

She said it like that, didn’t she?; very nice.

Then a few people wrote: why do you not receive Jozef Rulof, then you will get cosmic consciousness.

But they did not need me then.

We are sensitive, but people do not like this sensitivity.

(Gentleman who takes care of the sound recording): ‘Another two minutes.’

Another two minutes.

You see, you go to pieces, yes, madam, against disbelief.

Do you wish to deceive me that those people believe and really live according to the bible?

What kind of nonsense is that when they pray there and pray and send out nice words to mankind, to the peoples of the earth, and yet renounce the ten commandments?

I do not have any respect for that.

I do not know what you are.

Isn’t it true?

Ladies and gentlemen, the tea is ready.

INTERVAL

Ladies and gentlemen, we also have that question here: ‘Does all that disquiet and wanting to experience of young people have something to do with the character?’

I already told you, I have been larking about a bit.

And it is like that, isn’t it?

Just lark about sometime in life.

Yes, not wrong, not wrong.

We know now anyway what we must do.

This is why I say, if you come across me ... I will just give myself, I will just go of my own accord.

The people who think that, if you do this and you write books and you go to heavens, that you must walk along the street like a sacred plant or a nice salt-bag, like that, so carefully, and that you always just look proper, in the long run you will already get a stroke on this side, only just from that doing.

But then they think that you always come to the door like that ...

I heard something recently, also something remarkable.

Jongchi is painting and is making a wonder there, and someone rings the doorbell. My wife is not at home, I race to that door, a lady comes to exchange a book.

And I stand and I am jubilant, I say: ‘Yes, madam, the wrong one, oh, madam, then you will immediately get another one.’

And I get that book.

Then I heard later: ‘I will never go to that Mr Rulof again, because he was laughing.’ (laughter)

I think: Oh, then I must begin with a long face.

I no longer know how I should look when I meet people here.

But I will not go into it.

This is why I say, if you come across me and I stand on my head and I have lost both legs, or I have four arms, and I am swaying a bit too much ...

But here in society, if you go to the left by accident, and you should have walked straight on, well, sir, then there is also something wrong with you.

You see, we always have the wrong thing and always just bad, and always just this. The people make a ... of themselves ...

What?

What did you think now?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘A tomb.’

No, sir, a church book.

No, sir, a perfectly ordinary church book.

I was somewhere once, and there were a few Catholics there, and then they invited me.

I think: well, I come here quite a lot, and then I want to ... they are a bit in my way.

And I was sitting there, great.

And then I had such merriment and fun, those people found it a bit too much fun.

And then he says: ‘Well, they have gone, but you laughed them out the door.’

I say: ‘Then you do not need to do it anyway.

If I come here again, then you will not have that.’

And that whole afternoon was ruined, wasn’t it, because we should have sat and talked very properly.

Well, sir, I never sit still.

I take your chair and all, I am sitting in the corridor within five minutes, and I am sitting outside, I am sitting here.

Fine, it is just what happens now.

Just lark about sometime; that gentleman means by this: a human being is busy and a human being ...

Read ‘Masks and Men’.

A human being does something, and, especially when you enter higher theology, and especially cosmology and this, then the human being of the world thinks: those people must all walk about in a white shirt.

I go to my publisher.

They have had the books for eight years.

Yes, they wanted to speak to me sometime.

I think: What could those two gentlemen want?

I come there, and they look at me. I say: ‘Sir, why are you looking at me like that?

You are really looking as if you think: that man has no horns.’

‘I thought that you were much older.’

I say: ‘Well, sir, now you will get a beating from me.’

A very big gentleman, a nice gentleman, a gentleman with language, a gentleman with a university degree.

Then he says: ‘Why will I get a beating?’

I say: ‘I have been at this publishers for eight years and you do not know what is being printed here?’

Well, then the other one says: ‘That is good.’

I say: ‘Yes, sir.’

Then he says: ‘A cigarette, sir?’

Then he wanted to get off the subject quickly.

I say: ‘If you have good ones, otherwise I will not accept them.’

I say: ‘I am not impudent, sir, but you think of course: that man who is writing that is crazy.’

‘I had not thought, sir, that you had so much personality.’

I say: ‘Sir, then you are finally getting to know me.’

I say: ‘But I have already been with this publishers for eight years and you do not know me, I see.

And you eat from me.

I also belong with those crumbs.

But you do not even know, sir, what is happening here.

You mean to say that you know everything about your business, for me you have gone.

You should not have asked that.

You are asking it yourself.’

And sir was left standing.

He thought that I had horns.

And then we started to talk and I had fun, we made merriment.

‘And, sir, and then?’

I say: ‘Yes, sir, life is so incredibly beautiful.

You are not interested in that.

You can never laugh decently as-free-as-a-child.

You are an old man.

Aren’t you?

What were the philosophical books written for?

And why do people do drama?’

I say: ‘Because old age, a healthy spirit, a young spirit in an old body remains young.’

I say: ‘Sir, but you can afford to laugh.’

‘I had really thought that people who write such things are calm, I mean, so quiet and calm.’

I say: ‘I am like that inside.’

I say: ‘Do you want to see me calm?’

I say: ‘Then we will have a lovely talk.’

But I had already had the whole office, hadn’t I?

And then we sat down quietly.

I say: ‘And, sir, how do you wish to see me this morning?’

Then I left, I say to that other boss who is always with me: ‘What did they say?’

Then that man says: ‘Well, I have never experienced such a thing before.’

I say: ‘Why not?

I took away that feather there and I put it down there.’

And he says: ‘How much brains does he have, does that man have?’

I say: ‘Just say, if you get to know the space, then your brain grows.’

Sir, the whole town, the whole of The Hague ...

You do not look at the people, you only look: and what will the people say about me?

You all think like that.

And what will the neighbours say, sir?

I have no neighbours, I have no city, I have no world, I only live for myself.

And of course I make sure that I come into harmony with society and remain in harmony, and then I will soon go through ‘the coffin’, I will not remain lying there, I will take my ‘wings’, or I will take a part of a passage from ‘Masks and Men’, and I will have a look at my spatial compass, won’t I, and five minutes later I will already be sitting on top of the coffin and I will make a wreath of lilies-of-the-valley, daisies, won’t I. Frederik says that. That happens.

But you are all usually ... The young person is very old and the old person is even older, but youth, joy and happiness and cheerfulness, that real natural fooling about ...

Just take yourself to a fair and act that out at home.

And if you have to meditate, if that storm of this wisdom approaches you, then you will sing of your own accord and then you will say nothing; it is just like that with me.

But this is why I said a moment ago, and I brought that up: I have seen the Land of Twilight and the lower spheres.

I heard that woman there and thousands of women and men: ‘John, John ...’

The whole noble world ... If they are not good, if they are still attached to the bible and they still have damnation, sir, then just do not believe that they can enter the first sphere, because you must know that God does not damn.

And then you do not sit there groaning, and then you have no pain from that, because you are standing here in the middle of reality.

And then you say: If those people from the church are really right, and they give the people this, then this is also a part of it, ladies and gentlemen.

And then Our Lord says to Peter: ‘Peter, you are five minutes late this morning again, my children are snapping from hunger.’

And then you hear the bell.

Peter then pulls the bell in paradise and then he pulls again, and then John helps him and all these angels help him pull, and then we come to stand before the chicken soup.

And then that man came and then he says: ‘You are lying.’

I say: ‘Oh, isn’t that something?’

I say: ‘Yes, sir, now I am making chicken soup out of heavens.’

And if they have heard me sometimes, then they will think: well, that fellow is crazy.

That fellow is crazy.

But if they are crazy themselves, I will go along.

Do you see?

And then I will make something of it and then I will send them home with a little present.

And then they will have spiritual sweeties.

Oh oh oh, how rigid the people are, aren’t they?

Yes, that is the case with theosophy and that is the case with sophism, and that is there. If you enter the lodge there ... And I experienced that with the theosophists. I think: how rich those people are.

He had a garment like that and that one a garment like that and that one a garment like that, and then (solemnly): ‘Yes indeed, yes indeed.’

And then it concerns that ... and then it concerns mysticism and the esoterical school, and then I heard ...

But if we look there, I say: ‘Just pay that woman those five hundred guilders which you borrowed there.

And just sell that dress.’

I say: ‘Then you must go and talk about esoteric schools!’

But that was not a part of it.

Hahaha, why do we not come here this evening, or tomorrow, next week sometime ...

Go to Brenninkmeijer, ladies, have yourself measured for an evening dress and come here sometime dressed up for the gala; then we want to see whether you change in a week.

That is no longer there on the other side, do you see?

But youthful enthusiasm, child-like enthusiasm ...

Even if I live to five thousand years here, then you will still hear me laughing.

A human being cannot grow old if you look through the things.

But the natural fooling about of something, looking at life, the character, the personality, the feeling, something that gives you something to live for, to wear and ‘wings’, but good heavens, can you not have fun with that?

Did you really think that in the first sphere they – the people are conscious there – that they would never smile there?

And all that sacredness of God and Our Lord just make sure: oh, as long as nothing comes.

Haha, and that all happens of its own accord there.

You should see them walking there; then it is just as if you see Rome before, with those beautiful garments over the chest, like that on the arm, they float like that, and then they walk there with each other in sandals, man and wife, you should see that.

God, how real the people are there.

And we must begin here, oh yes, and Our Lord also looks ...

Oh God, I experienced it before.

When I was seven years old and when we went to the church for the first time, the first thing which occurred to me was, looking at those people.

I say to Crisje, then I had already got Crisje: ‘Crisje, is that a good person, that woman there?’

I say: ‘Well, now, now. Just say it.’

She did not dare, because she knew who it was.

I say: ‘She is praying, yes, or she is a holy person, but she is not, she is a pilferer.

That woman pilfers and she steals that sparks fly.’

But bowing her head and her hands joined, and oh ... Crisje could not even do that.

I say: ‘She is phoney.’

Then I started to see the phoniness. But the real ...

When we went to the catechism later and the priest said: ‘Eyes closed.

Pray’ ... The penitence, do you remember that?

Well, pray.

And then I looked furtively like that, to see if Our Lord was there.

(Jozef imitates it, there is laughter.) Or like that, like that.

And suddenly I saw something there, I say: ‘Do you realise it?’

I say: ‘Well, then I will just close my eyes again.’

And then I started to listen.

I say: ‘Mother, He can already hear you in your sleep.’

I was thinking day and night, and one with Our Lord, with the space.

Master Alcar was Our Lord for me of course.

Master Alcar looked like that, and when I saw something like that, then he came like that, with a wink.

But once he almost got me.

And then I thought: now I must look whether he means it with that one eye.

And then he also came once like that, and then ...

I got him!

And then I had Crisje again, then Crisje was standing trembling again.

Just as long as until Crisje, my own mother, also got the natural part from that sacredness.

And then she said: ‘Well, but you cannot destroy the church for everything, can you?’

I say: ‘Mother, can’t you laugh anymore?

If you come from the church, mother, then you already go like that, then you do not even dare to look at the sky.

What is that?

Why do you do that, mother?

Why do you look at the ground like that?’

And is that not the whole world then, in that sham, in that sham possession, looking at the ground like that, and then just walk on?

Oh yes, and then Our Lord should see whether His child opens an eye and now once just opened her eyes during that praying.

I got all of that out of it.

And if that man who is asking this here, that larking about of young people ...

But old people must also remain young, and this wisdom makes you young.

There is no damnation, there is no Grim Reaper, you cannot die, ‘behind the coffin’ you continue, you are in the holiness of space, if space lives in you yourself.

Well?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Mr Rulof, I think it is wonderful that people are crazy like that.

Imagine that they called it normal in such a rotten society, slander, lies and deception.

Imagine if we were normal in that: slander, lies and deception, destruction, gossip ...'

Look, you and I, I completely, of course ... If those people start to read soon, then millions of people will agree with us.

But if one of those people, of those fine Catholics, those fine Protestants, those people who still possess all of that, if they just really started to read ... They cannot find one black, dark stain in those books which does not rap their fingers.

But I just mean: they cannot find anything there which is in conflict with Christ, Golgotha and with the bible.

We say: there is no damnation.

Is that not even more beautiful and more wonderful than that you must accept that damnation there from the bible?

The last Judgement? Well!

The Old Testament; you should hear what is in that, then your blood will also flow away.

They know that they are at a standstill.

What did they experience in the war?

Then laughter was completely impossible.

And we were jubilant, the human being who had read those books.

The Jew who was gassed in Germany, had ‘The Cycle of the Soul’ in his hands. He says: ‘Sir, you may gas me, but I will not gas myself.

You cannot destroy me.

Ich lebe weiter.’

The SS got to hear that.

You see, that is jubilation.

And if you have all that jubilation in you ...

You certainly do not need to think that you will just immediately see into the eyes of Our Lord ‘behind the coffin’.

And you can already do that here, if you are in harmony with nature and with those laws.

Sir, then you will like going to the fair sometime, and you will sit on a wooden horse sometime.

Just do it; but know that you are sitting on it, do you see?

And then are you crazy for society, sir?

I do a lot in five minutes, I can deal with such an awful lot, because I also ... it ... Different things, other things, the unity and the consciousness which you get, that continues.

But the ease in order to deal with that now, I can fling that away from me in five minutes and then I will walk ... Now I am perhaps doing just the same as sir with those crumbs, I am taking a step too many.

Is that crazy?

We are all crazy, aren’t we?

And we are black magic, all black magic. Black?

And do you know what that is, lady and gentleman? What is black magic?

That means: you want to know here what death is.

It means: when a child is born, that is magic.

Because magic means: to experience a law of God – it can be just, be harmonic, an elemental law – and that turning around for yourself, the soul, the spirit, the life.

Doesn’t it, sir?

And they make frills of that and they make a fuss about that.

We are magic, Jozef Rulof is a black magician.

Haha, a magician who also goes and sits on a horse here, in the Maliebaan, for two cents.

Yes, of course.

He does something else, don't you think so too, sir?

You can always see me on Sunday afternoons between four and five at the Thomasplein, then I will be whipping a top.

(laughter)

I say: Yes, sir.

And if I then come to the door and I laugh in a friendly way, I am happy, then ...

Sir, I do not laugh just like that.

I used to do that, you know.

But then I still knew it.

They do not laugh just like that in the Achterhoek.

In the city they laugh much more than in the Achterhoek.

Do you know that, sir?

You laugh here at things which we stand crying about.

When I came to The Hague, I said: ‘How the people laugh here, Johan. They laugh at everything here.’

And that is true.

Sir, do you know what it then becomes? Madam?

Do you know what it is then, sir?

I determined that immediately.

Determine it for yourself.

You should listen. I listened to that immediately.

I am careful with one thing.

Do you know why, sir?

Do you wish to become wise?

Do you wish to get, possess the first sphere?

What did you say?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘If it is possible, very gladly.’

Sir, then you must not giggle so much.

(laughter)

They giggle at everything here.

The people laugh here ...

I experienced it here. A lady was sitting there. Then she says: ‘Why are those people giggling there?’

There is nothing to giggle about.

You will certainly giggle, and I also know that you will giggle, but here they giggle at everything.

Do you know when you can laugh on the other side?

When the sun revolves around the moon and not the moon around the sun, then they will laugh.

But here the human being laughs at everything and they do not know why.

And if you do not follow that giggling from your own feeling, sir, then you sit backwards on that horse on the Maliebaan and on life and on your soul and on your spirit and on your personality.

That cursed giggling inhibits you for infinity.

Because you do not have a grain of the harmonic deadly seriousness in you.

Do you?

They giggle.

The consciousness of The Hague, sir, when I was in The Hague for four weeks, I determined that, one all and giggling.

Hahaha.

(There is a moment’s hesitant laughter) Well, what are you laughing at now?

Oh, you are laughing at that.

Yes, then I played a trick.

Johan said: ‘We will go out.’

Fine, we went out.

The first evening when I came to The Hague, then I played this trick, sir.

Then we went to the Boekhorststraat. We first saw the ‘Two orphans’, didn’t we?

(there is laughter) Yes, they are laughing again there, do you see?

I saw the ‘Two orphans’ in Scala, sir.

And I wept so that sparks flew.

And when we came outside, I thought: that sorrow must go from me.

And what did I do then?

Then I started to talk in dialect; because did I not learn Dutch in Arnhem?

Well, then they both said to me later: ‘He is an artist. He must come from Belgium.’

I said: ‘Yes, sir, awel zulle.

I am from de Belgique opera, zulle.’

Then he says: 'What ...'

My brother was sitting under the table and my sister-in-law under the table, and everything started to swim, I let rip so much. Because I can also do something as a joke.

Then they say: a born comedian.

No, sir, you can build up natural fun by means of feeling.

What was Buziau?

He had feeling in that.

And then I made them laugh.

I was that far, if I just looked like that, I had everyone laughing again.

And my sister-in-law had such a laugh, that she split her sides laughing. We took her home sick with laughter.

I say: ‘Now you will probably not laugh again for the time being.’

I had determined giggling, and in that one evening I killed it.

Giggling gone.

I say: ‘Now just start to think seriously about this and about that.’

Then Johan said: ‘What did you think of The Hague?’

I say: ‘I will tell you what I thought of The Hague.’

Then I started to speak to Johan.

I say: 'Well ...'

And now, now we experienced cosmology.

Then the human being comes: boom!

A lady came; talking, talking, talking.

The human being, the child, the personality, the life of feeling, space, faith, God, Christ, everything has gone.

And what lives in that personality – just look – is camouflage.

If you now start to know about these things, then make use of them, and start to listen, and do not say something again so quickly.

And close your lips, because when the human being can say to you: ‘Gosh, that lady is giggling’, and there is nothing to giggle at, madam, sir, then your personality is lying in the street gutter.

Isn’t it?

It would be much better if you – I experienced that – it would be much better if you beat things to pieces for yourself, jump from the roof and break a leg, behave silly, get an accident somewhere, you can also do a hundred thousand things which just give you a slap; you will learn something from that. That is a fall, they say, a collapse, all right. But nonchalant, unconscious giggling, is the most awful thing which I have seen there on the other side.

Do you believe it?

And that is the personality of the whole of this society.

The whole of your society, now just look, is in comparison to ‘A View into the Hereafter’, to ‘The Peoples of the Earth’ one giggle.

And if you also put frills around that, madam, and you participate in these things and you really sit here like that with an evening attire – I already said, with an evening attire, didn’t I? – and you then enter the building in a brocade like that ... the man a ...

That used to be like that here ...

I think: gosh ...

I once told you it one evening. And then those ladies came. I think: gosh, just look.

Then they went inside like that and then I watched them, I think: what beautiful people they are, aren’t they?

And then they had such beautiful white shoes.

I had never seen such beautiful shoes.

And then they were sitting here.

One evening I was allowed to go along and then I assessed that whole crowd.

I think: is that real?

Phew, phew, phew. Oh, oh, oh. In the first place they were made a fool of by the occult laws, because something was happening here, that was downright nonsense.

In the second place they were selling themselves, and it was nothing but giggling.

All evening I saw those things, for example, like that.

(Jozef does something; there is laughter) When they had something to tell each other, that thing was put on.

I say: ‘Is that the other side?

Take that off first and walk like that and stroll like that and sit down and put that thing away, and now really start to talk about Our Lord.’

Well, then I was out of it of course, wasn’t I?

Then I was a rebel.

I say: ‘That is fine with me.’

I think: now I cannot take you on, but we will see in two, three years’ time.

And then I ... all of them, the general, the baroness and an esquire ...

I say: ‘Sir, what do you want?

You are fusspots.’

I say: ‘Sir, do not be shocked, do not be shocked, you do not need to be shocked, I will not touch your wallet.

You will not get the honour from me, baron, to give me one guilder and fifty cents in order to help me with my books; I will not give you that honour.’

So I can still say what the score is.

And then I started to tell him what I saw there and what society was.

I say: ‘You are sitting here in order to hear something from the other side and in order to hear the masters, sir, but it is not worth five cents.’

Yes.

And that is the truth.

We sell ourselves by means of pride, arrogance.

You get these questions, sir, from ‘Masks and Men.’

And that ‘Masks and Men’, those three books, that trilogy, there is something in that for simplicity, fun.

Frederik waltzed and he went through that life.

Just read ‘Masks and Men’, they are the most wonderful books. Master Zelanus, part III of ‘Jeus’, writes at the end: ‘And now I brought Frederik van Eeden to Jeus and then they made contact.’

These are the most wonderful books which we were able to write, as novels.

Because the whole of the human being’s life is a novel.

And what real things are in it? And what is wrong? And what is this?

Let rip, but know what you are doing, and bring it into harmony.

Always make comparisons; I also have to do that.

But do not think that you will see me here with a white sheet on, because I will rip it away like that.

I would much rather come here with rags.

Is that true?

I experienced what the gentlemen want.

And if you think, sir, that it is not true, then just try it.

Learn to listen, learn to think, and if there is something to laugh about, get everything out of it, because it is relaxation.

But do not giggle at something which is not funny, because then you are stupid, then you are poor.

Aren’t you?

Sir, society told me it.

The first thing which master Alcar began with, was this, which it says here: ‘Stay young. Always let Jeus speak in you.

But never laugh when sorrow or grief lives in a human being, in the word.’

And we are merciless, society is merciless.

So, you must first get to know the systems.

If you wish to develop, then you must first get to know the systems: what am I living for here?

And what am I actually doing?

What am I as a mother?

What am I as a father?

What am I doing in society?

Then you get to see the nakedness of society, the deception, because we are deceived left, in front, right and sideways, high above us, with light and with darkness.

Did you not think that it was true?

That society still does not have any spiritual justice.

And you must all get to know that.

And then you release yourself and then you laugh precisely when you will and can laugh. And then life is beautiful, sir, even if your organism breaks.

But the youth in you, continues to feed that; and you continue to smile.

And then you say: ‘Life is beautiful’, and ‘life is wonderful’, even if you stand on your head.

Isn’t it?

You want to learn cosmology from me, you want to hear that, but cosmology lies in everything.

I have broken my neck a thousand times for this work, I have fallen, and Jozef lay there again and André next to him.

But we stood up again.

Did you think that I had got all of that for nothing?

That is impossible.

But with fun and with happiness ... But thinking, thinking, thinking a great deal, and the seriousness on top of that, the knout, the club on top of that. Then you do not need to hit another, when we begin with it ourselves; and just ... ourselves again, and just ... ourselves again ...

The fall, a tumble from there downwards; then you must see how beautiful if you know if the second tumble is coming; because you repeat it seven times, you do not suddenly achieve that.

A fall of the human being ... When the human being murders ...

How many murders has he not already committed before the real blow falls, don’t you think?

And then he continues again.

And this is why I never say that anymore, because now I have nightmares. But those nightmares were first daymares.

In other words: that man was already murdering and murdering and murdering, and finally, yes, then you attract and then we go somewhere and then we are the victim.

In other words, then you can be under the influence of this and that and that and the other. And then a black magic can be added.

No, sir, then it is still not black magic, but then it is an astral personality in a darkness which lives it up through you.

Isn’t it?

And that is the whole of the other side.

Do good, and you will rise.

And do wrong, and you will come there, you will end up sitting in the darkness as far as your throat, in that misery, in those rags, raggedly poor.

Won’t you?

We have already talked about it, so you can know it, the body has started growing because of the destruction.

Do not imagine that we have something; we still have nothing.

Because this space is just very small, you will soon hear that from master Zelanus when he is that far.

Then this space in which we live will just be a little nip, a spark of God in us.

And these lectures are something now, aren’t they?

I will continue: ‘Is it possible that the material systems could dominate the personality? That it has nothing to say?’

Yes, this also refers to motherhood.

Doesn’t it?

Last week we talked about: is it possible that the material body parts, dominate the systems, the personality?

I told you recently.

When we are twenty years old, then the human being still has no personality.

Can you now decide that for yourself?

The psychologist, the writer, the character expert, the developer of the earth here, society, there are a hundred thousand of them; the man says: ‘I can develop you’, he begins then, and then you should hear him when a girl stands before him there of twenty-one years old.

If you come to me and you were to be twenty-one years old, and you say: ‘Sir, I want to make something of myself, I think it is great’.

Well, then I must already stop,I do not need to begin with anything.

Because I know, the human being is only adult at the age of thirty-eight.

Now I will ask him a few questions: so and so and so; that can be seen, can’t it?

And then we just assess his life of feeling: what do you have for those and those laws, how many ounces of feeling?

And then that psychologist can ...

He does not yet know that, because he does not know the human being. The human being must first start to talk, and then the human being must say: ‘I am like that.’

Then they start to test a character. And that can be seen immediately.

You just need to ask: ‘Do you like this?’

‘Yes.’

‘Do you think that is nice?’

Then he says: ‘Well, I do not know.’ Then the whole personality has already gone.

But then I do not ask any questions which that human being has to do with.

I ask him questions which do not interest him at all; but he must be interested, because that is the source.

And then the psychologist starts to search.

But the human being is conscious for the first time between thirty-four and thirty-eight years old.

Everything now, sir – that is your question, and then you can follow ‘Masks and Men’ again – everything now which you do before the age of thirty, sir, that is still not a conscious character.

If the universal schools begin here on earth soon, then that school will become very different. Then we no longer have anything to do with geography and all that carry-on which we fill a child with.

Because it is terrible what they now give a child to learn; and they may not touch that divine correctness, because that goes against the church's teachings.

Yes, there we are now.

The teachers here will know that.

Why do they make it so difficult for those people?

But tell the child one day so that it knows its stuff about all things.

Then they sit: ‘Sister, tell us something.’

If the teacher at our school just started about a pig or a chicken, then we had such eyes and ears.

And then I knew everything.

I say: ‘Do you not know yet where you came from?’

No, then we must hear about Piet Hein and the Silver Fleet, and Michiel Adriaenszoon de Ruyter, until you are mad from that turning.

Just let those people take care of themselves.

Let me tell something now.

That takes place on the basis of creation and all those other things.

No, we do not get that.

But to form, to build up, to bring the character to awakening ...

We can go so far ... I can make a cosmic lecture of this. The character goes so far ...

We start to kiss and cuddle at the age of twenty, twenty-one, don’t we, we court, we love, and then we go so: bang, we get married.

Then the human being says: ‘I am married.

I am wedded.’

And you said that.

But did you know ...

But who is married now? Who?

Who has gone ahead of us now? I talked about that recently, with the voice and with everything. This question is about that.

Who is wedded?

Do you see?

Do you know yourself?

And then, after four months we are suddenly old, because then we know the nature and the creation, don’t we? Then we are suddenly old.

She is old and he is old.

We walk more calmly.

We no longer look at each other so much.

We now really get time to think.

Don’t we?

Have you experienced it differently?

Well, then is surely here?

But now you must imagine ... And now we start to think ...

And what do we have to say to each other now?

What do we have to say to each other now?

Now we know each other, we think, now we know each other.

Well, now that character must come, mustn’t it, that personality.

Did you hear those mosquitoes buzzing?

You have another human mosquito like that.

Sir, we are worth nothing, because we do not know ourselves.

Madam, you can cook, and everything is ready, but we have no conversation, we are empty.

Our room is empty, our life is empty, we sit there, and the whole beautiful youthful life goes past. And then we have people, or the Catholic church and Protestantism, something to say about such a youthful human being as man and wife ...

Go to football, go and do sport.

If they both do sports, then at least they still have a foundation.

And we also say on Sunday: ‘Our Lord will punish them.’ Sunday; if you are finely reformed, then that is also not allowed anymore.

And now we start to see what still remains of it.

Yes yes, now we just start to talk to the neighbours, to talk to the family, visits.

But at home we are boss and at home we must produce our life.

And what were you like, Mr Götte, what were you like during that time?

What did you have left after twenty-two, twenty-three years?

Yes yes, now you will not come forward, will you?

What did you say?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I was still not wedded.’

Oh, then you still had to begin with it.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Look, but it is not about that now.

Then you may be pleased.

(laughter)

Because look, what does the human being say?

And you will only experience that now, ladies and gentlemen, after forty, after forty ...

And you have those who are twenty, fifteen and seventeen who have feeling, give space to a thing, to a character, to walking, to the sun, and to swimming.

But after thirty it will begin, and then we start to look at each other again.

But we do not look at other things, we only look now, what will they say and what expansions, what explosions appear on that face.

Lines come, laughter come into those eyes, older laughter.

I looked at that.

And then life became beautiful, because then the character started to speak.

And when master Alcar began with me, began absolutely, from that moment, I do not know what you experienced, but from that moment we lived in a paradise.

Just as long until ...

If she says: ‘Yes, will that be true?’

I say: ‘Yesssss’, and then I started again.

And then we began to talk, then we began to think, and then we began to live.

This gave us life and consciousness.

And, sir, now you will get the answer: at twenty years old, twenty-two years old, twenty-three, twenty-four, twenty-five, then only motherhood, your being a mother dominates us, madam; and we as father: that cooing lives for us.

We do not hear it. We hear it. No, we do not actually even hear it, we follow that cooing.

But the law of nature, which is called birth and reincarnation, that dominates our character.

Sir, only after forty, in the spirit only after forty, the human being begins to think free from the organism.

And now another cosmic spatial psychology comes forward and it is called: if your body has grown and has given everything, then the personality is in front.

Isn’t it?

And then the personality must begin in order to take along the organism.

And if that personality has nothing, then there is poverty, isn’t there?

If you want to change this, then you should just try it.

In nature you see nothing else.

That is my answer to your question: is it possible that the material systems can dominate the personality?

Sir, before our twenty-fifth year we have nothing to say as inner life.

And everything which you master in society, even if you can run, and you can do this well, you can paint, you can play piano, you are good at counting, sir, it all means nothing, because that is not love; it comes to understanding each other according to the laws of Mother Nature and to take that to the analysis for our daily food, sleeping, talking.

Is that not the good marriage?

And if you go against that and you now have a religion, this, and that is not allowed, and she does not want it, then you feel, then you already have a gulf which can no longer be bridged.

And 'beyond the coffin', I saw those people there ...

And ‘What kind of shouting is that, master Alcar?’

‘Them?

They have already been walking round for twenty thousand years moaning: “What did I make of my life?”

And “what did I make of my life?”’

Just stop and enter the darkness. Do like that Gerhard, that coachman, descend and try to find the human being.

‘If only those people went’, master Alcar says, ‘to another human being in order to ask: ‘Why do you come here?

Why are you sitting there?

May I know that from you?

Do you know how you develop?’’

Those people reach an awakening, sir and madam, and only by: ‘May I know from you why you live here?’

And then they look, and then you must already watch out that they do not fly at your throat if you come a bit lower.

Because that is just the same thing as if you come somewhere here and say: ‘Sir, why are you sitting there having a laugh?’

He says: ‘What do I have to do with you?’

You are walking here in the middle of a city, you go in somewhere, sir, and then you come there. But then you must be very serious. You go into Central Station and you ask a gentleman, with a few ladies: ‘Sir, why are you here?

May I know that?’

Then that gentleman says: ‘Just get the boss and have that man locked up.

A madman, a madman, sir.’

Or you are attacked. Or that person says: ‘Say, it is really none of your business.

Get out!’

See, the danger is already there, because the human being does not believe that you are now busy for yourself, in order to learn by means of the human being.

And the other side is now there then.

Then the human being must awaken and he can only do that in that sphere – and in the first sphere of course, but then you no longer need that – by asking: ‘How did you come to live here? May I know that?’

And if they then look in your eyes and they sense you, madam, and you get a hand, and that lady, that woman ... That is a mother; there is no longer a lady, because that ‘lady’ has gone completely. But if that woman, that motherhood which stands before you as a human being, takes your hand and says: ‘Just come with me, then it is possible that you will make a journey of ten thousand centuries, with one human being.

And if you have experienced that human being, then you can also begin with hundreds of billions of ages in order to experience all those people, because it is only then that you will know why those people are there.

And then you will awaken.

Isn’t it simple?

But should we not also do that here in society?

If you get a blow from another, then you return that blow or you think: why did that man beat me?

Madam, you know that I love people much more who beat things to pieces, than people whom you never once get out of that beautiful, pure, immaculate harness.

You still just get to see a Sunday god like that.

A mother, a wife may do what she wants as far as I am concerned, we are not talking about those things of the street and the city, it concerns decency.

But that harness, that lonely harness, when there is no interest for the moon, for the sun, for planets and stars ...

You can look really far for it, but just go and look at a duck, a wild duck. Just talk about a dove and talk about a crow and about that stork of yours, sir.

And if there is no interest, then we are already sitting in ‘the coffin’.

Aren’t we?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘You also have an example like that with a civil servant who sits and thinks about his pension from the beginning of his service.’

Sir, shall I give you a nice story?

I have experienced thousands of volumes.

If you come into contact with people, especially that with spirit ... Because it has to do with spirit, the whole life of feeling was suddenly open to me.

Someone comes to me: treat, treat.

Oh oh oh, that woman just wanted to be head in an office, didn’t she?

And that deputy head was a demon.

And every Saturday afternoon she came: ‘Huh, listen, Mr Rulof.’

I say: ‘Madam, but there are still people sitting there.’

I think: yes, she has to unload again.

And it was just about that deputy head, that deputy head.

And then again and again: ‘Oh, Mr Rulof, how nice that is’, and ‘how nice that is.’

I say: ‘Yes, madam, that is a nice thing.’

That was a nice aquarelle, a viewing hole.

And then: about that deputy head and about that painting.

And I think: that must come to an end, mustn’t it?

When she came on Saturday, I say: ‘Madam ... No, it is no longer hanging there. Madam, it is ready for you. You have got it.’

‘Oh gosh. Oh, can you thank the masters?’

I say: ‘Yes, madam, it will go directly to the other side.

But now keep quiet about the deputy head, because I must act.’

She again.

I say: ‘Madam, be quiet, because I will shout it out.’

And I got her quiet; treating, gone.

‘Oh, how pleased I am.’

On Saturday she started again.

‘Oh, how pleased I am.’

I was rid of that nagging.

Because that painting, that painting again and again.

Well: the deputy head, the deputy head.

I get those nerves calm to a certain extent. But she goes into that deputy head again, sir, and destroys herself, nerves destroyed.

There is also a blow and then she entered ‘the coffin’.

Her sister did not want anything to do with this mess and throws everything into the street.

Do you know how much she left behind?

Approximately five hundred thousand.

But she was too mean to allow herself that thing.

I think: now I would like to look.

She is free, she comes with the books to the other side.

I wait.

Then she had also said on her deathbed: ‘She must have that painting.’

All right, go ahead.

And that painting went to her friend.

Those others went to the rag man, I was able to buy them back later in the Jewish district, they were there with the Jews. It does not mean anything, but they were standing there.

I say: ‘Here, another few.’

Also finally peace.

Then that same painting came into the hands of the friend of that lady. That lady passes on, comes to the other side, becomes conscious.

One morning I look into her eyes.

I think: she does not have any peace.

She is still attached to that deputy head.

I think: no, that is not true.

She could not come to me.

She was standing there like that.

‘Mr Rulof, can you feel it?’

I say: ‘Yes, I can feel it.’

I say: ‘Do that.’

I think: now I will give you a piece of proof, how strong you are ‘behind the coffin’, if feeling really lives in you.

If you are lower there ...

She was a good person, but because of that deputy head she spoiled, destroyed her whole life.

And at that rate you will never be finished.

That painting goes to her friend and that same day, that same evening, that friend hears: ‘For goodness sake give that painting back.’

That friend comes to me in the afternoon and says: ‘Mr Rulof, I cannot have it.

I do not know, I have never been clairaudient, but now it is as if she is saying: give that painting back.’

I say: ‘Yes, madam, it is true.’

She had told me it, I had already seen her.

Master Alcar says: ‘Just leave her.

I will bring her there, and just let her work now.’

And then master Alcar brought her to her friend: ‘In God’s name do not keep that painting, because I had lots of money to buy it.’

Because of her sorrow and her carry-on with that deputy head, I had said: ‘Here’, and another one and another one, ‘get out.’

She is in those powers.

I say to her friend: ‘Yes, lady.’

That lady comes to bring back that painting, an aquarelle.

That lady goes away.

I say: ‘Good, madam.

You may just keep it, I do not begrudge you it in the least.’

I say: ‘Will she still manage it?’

Then that lady says to me: ‘You are selling it, Mr Rulof?’, not that friend, the one who has passed on.

I say to the lady who has passed on: ‘If you are so strong, I have respect for you.’

The following day a lady from Wassenaar comes who said: ‘I have seen that painting. May I have it?’

I say: ‘Yes, madam.

How did you see it?’

Then she says: ‘Yes, I think, in my sleep.’

Then she got the peace back again; the deputy head was no longer there, because she was living on the Other Side; but she had got the opportunity from Master Alcar to influence another, with whom only she was involved – but we do not see that person otherwise in this life of course – and to ask: ‘Buy that little painting for goodness sake.’

She gave her the vision, what it looked like.

And that lady said: ‘I saw that.’

‘Yes, madam, it is waiting for you.’

That was not me, that was not Master Zelanus, but that deputy head was still able to manage that ‘beyond the coffin’; but then she had already lost him.

But fifteen years, twenty years spoiled that soul, only because she wanted to be head.

And that was not necessary for the money, and that was not necessary for the possessions, she had everything, had inherited and everything, enough money, enough possessions, but tied to something, in order to be that in society. For what?

For what?

And then what, sir, if you are mayor of The Hague tomorrow?

And then what, sir, if you are a judge tomorrow and you sit in a very large saddle? Then what if you look down and you see me as a little worm?

Then what, sir?

I will laugh right in your face.

If you have medals on your jacket, I will laugh at you, because you do not get any medals in this world for love, you do not get the ones from Our Lord, sir.

Everything you see of medals, sir ...

Yes, then a little sister must come and then there must be a cross on it.

But then I still look into the eyes: did you not also earn a little with snarling?

Because there are also some amongst them.

This is how you will look at those questions which have been asked here this evening.

And then you will get to see the life.

I add all kinds of things in order to show you: it is in everything.

And if you press there, sir, if you do that, then a little devil will fly out, and it will show you what the mask is like.

But did you not know all of that, here in The Hague?

And they still say, sir, that we are madmen here. We are black magicians, sir, do you know?

Will I just blow you off the map?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I like exactly that the most.’

(Jozef continues to read.) ‘Will a young person like that have it easy not only materially but also spiritually in a few thousand years, I mean, be understood better, if he goes off the rails sometime?’

You see.

I already just told you, sir, there are people who have one harness, laugh precisely when they must laugh.

Everything on time, in harmony with everything and everything and everything, but there is not another gleam of hope, nothing, and they are living dead.

Sir, just have a nice lark.

Let your wife, husband ...

I have much rather that I get: ‘Oh, idiot.’

This afternoon, today I have managed something again, you know.

Oh, sir, you will split your sides laughing when you hear it.

I like that, sir. I loved it.

Yes, I got into trouble.

The radio has stopped, it is doing nothing.

I go with my glasses ... Yes, I am a bit sleepy. But, I look, the telephone number of the man from the radio shop, I say, I just write it down, don’t I, like that. Here, a nice piece of paper, it is exactly right.

And start to call, to call the help.

‘No, sir, what is the matter with that number?’

‘Well, I don’t understand it.’

‘There it is again; he is teaching the people something.’

Yes, she was completely right, wasn’t she?

Sir, do you know what I had given her?

The giro account number.

And I was just sitting listening, I think: yes, it is clever anyway.

But I did not see that little number at the top at all.

I say: ‘Well, madam, then what?

Just let me make a good, honest mistake.

Blast, I am not a saint. I am not a priest.’

I was walking there, I looked with my glasses, because of my cold I did not see anything at all.

I looked at the back of the radio, and I saw some little numbers; well, what were they anyway?

I sent the good child away ...

Called twenty-six times, but the giro account number did not answer.

(laughter)

I say: ‘Yes, madam, I am wrong. And let there be even more mistakes.

But then we start to look at them; then we start to talk, then we get space, then we get ‘wings’.

Don’t we?’

They want to see me as an extraordinary special person, but I am just an ordinary person.

And if I am it, sir ... I have seen the other side, and the masters who work ...

I have now received a hundred plates in four months, ladies and gentlemen.

Such revelations are amongst them. I cannot give you the exhibition yet, because they still say no.

And when it is over, then you will stand there, and then you will think: my God, my God, how can it be.

If the human being can do that.

I received my most sacred, most wonderful books, ‘The Cosmology’, from the Divine All, sir, when I was Jeus of mother Crisje.

When André started with Jeus, he said: ‘André, now go ...

I can also talk dialect.’

Then we did not experience the cosmology in The Hague way, sir, but in the Gelderland, Achterhoek way.

Because we did not dare to say a Dutch word, because then we would be too far away from Mother Nature.

And when we were busy with suns, planets and stars, then Jeus said: ‘How nice the sun is, isn’t he, if you know him.’

I say: ‘Jeus, are you aware of that?’

Because did you think, ladies and gentlemen, that a farmer could not speak a divine language in his dialect?

Oh oh oh. Well, just bark, just bark.

Yes, we are standing here now.

If I manage to get you all at school again like infants, with joy, and we hit each other once with clogs on the roof, then I can say when I enter ‘the coffin’ soon ...

I do not even enter ‘the coffin’ ...

This week I was walking like that thinking, then we were talking about dying.

How happy I am, I wanted to say for that first thing.

I also have a few letters, but they will be for next week, madam.

We were talking about deathbeds on earth.

(To the sound technician): I have another minute?

(Gentleman): ‘A minute.’

A minute.

We were talking about deathbeds on earth.

We talked about that recently.

Oh yes.

‘Do you already know when you will go, Jozef?’

I say: ‘Master Alcar knows it, but he must not tell me, because then I will chase him away.

If he begins with knowing everything.

I do not know everything either.’

I say: 'But ...'

Then someone said ...

I say: ‘Look, I should have told that to those people who were with me on Thursday evening.’

Do you now think, ladies and gentlemen, that I must perhaps die in my bed soon?

And you?

Have you ever thought about that, sir, that you, you with your machines, could perhaps get a bit on your head, and you will be lying there?

But when I go like that and like that, it could be that I will walk into the waters today or tomorrow, then I will say: ‘Goodbye.

You will not even come behind my ‘coffin’, because I will let the pike do it, the plaice, or the herring.’

And that is a nice ‘coffin’, ladies and gentlemen, because this ‘coffin’ has space.

But it is true.

We were talking about the deathbeds after all?

But we said: God does not know any deathbeds.

Sir, do not think that your ‘coffin’ lies on your bed, it can be in the street, because then you fall out the window, or from the ladder.

Don’t you?

If you start to think – I forgot something, the nicest thing of all – if you start to think: I will die, then we always think of a soft bed.

But free yourselves, I want to tell you this evening – and that is part of it for last week – free yourselves from that bed and take the spatial deathbed.

Then it could be that you lie down on top of a ... What is that flag of ours called? ... a flagpole on your back and experience your death in this swaying.

In other words, you can experience ‘wings’ by means of your dying.

You must not start to think: I will soon be lying in a hospital and then I will die at my  dead leisure.

At my dead leisure.

(There is laughter.) Haha, at my dead leisure I will just die.

It could be that you sway outside, because you must start to make a journey and then you just want to go to Utrecht or to Zwolle, and I will just visit that one, and that right before the door of the train you take your last breath and say: ‘Yes, it has happened, I am going away, goodbye.’

I wanted to tell you that last week at the lecture and I forgot that.

Because a deathbed, if you want to ask me about that sometime, then you will get a wonderful evening.

A deathbed, sir, is universally deep.

Did you get a little bit this evening?

I have only just talked away my cold, no more than that.

I thank you sincerely, ladies and gentlemen, and sleep well.

(There is clapping.)