Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, my audience.

I will begin here with the first question.

A mother who says: ‘I myself, the mother of the child, which received a vision, went and slept in her room two days after burying my child, the room in which she passed over.

I wanted to give the example to my other children, who were afraid of going to sleep there.

Then I was very anxious and experienced things which I cannot talk about.

And I was called to that I must die.

And I then called out: ‘Do not take me yet, I cannot go yet for my children.’

And when I was conscious again, I smelled such a wonderful smell of flowers, and for a long time.

Did I do wrong that I went to sleep in the room so soon?

And did I upset my child by this?’

From who is that?

(Lady in the hall): ‘From me.’

Where are you?

Madam, you will perhaps not believe it, but if I have to experience a death in my family, with whom I am involved, I go and lie next to him or her in the coffin; for a time, if it is necessary.

Then the study begins precisely, in a manner of speaking.

We do not experience that every day, but I would want to prove it to you.

If we stand before death, that is after all ...

The Grim Reaper is not a horror, after all; you must talk to him.

It concerns an old patient of mine; master Zelanus and I myself have written, talked about him once.

I was in contact with him and I knew that that man had to die, would die within a year and a half.

A doctor was in charge of that patient.

And then master Zelanus says: ‘Just you go, because the doctor has gone.

If you want, then help.’

I say: ‘Nothing can be done.’

‘How do you know that?’

I say: ‘I can see that.

That man will live for a year and a half at the most.’

I say: ‘But I will go.’

I had to go there.

That boy also lived ...

I sat on his bed, talked to him, still conscious; he had read my books, a boy of twenty-eight years, father of a child, wonderful, a very beautiful marriage.

I sat next to him with the books, talked to him, gave him ‘Between Life and Death’, ‘Between Life and Death’ was not yet there, I gave him ‘Those who Returned from the Dead’, told him the laws.

He enjoyed it, and I knew, I will get him a few more days on the street and then he will sink away, then it will be over.

And that happened later too.

So I experienced the whole drama.

It was at the time that I once said here: ‘I wanted to die for a man.’

And it was this human being.

I wanted to give myself.

I tuned in the fight then with Christ.

I said: ‘You said here: “Anyone who wants to give his life, will receive Mine”’, and I went into that.

And that became a fight for life and death.

So bad, that I walked past my masters.

I say: ‘I now want the Highest.

Because whether that is now gossip – Christ told that before? – I would like to know that.

If I have contact with you, then I can also receive that Master up there, and he will give me advice, because it concerns a human being here, and it concerns the whole cosmos, God and Christ and everything.’

And that came.

But when that boy lay in the coffin ...

He was gone in a year and a half.

We saw him in the street, and he started to collapse, collapse, collapse, and there he went.

The brother and the mother could not look at him.

And then I took that brother by his hand.

I say: ‘Just come with me and look at your brother Gerard.’

And then we looked into that little face.

I say: ‘Just look.

If you now know what happened and what all that means ...

You do not read any books yet, you do not have the time for them, you say, but now look at that body, and now know that he lives there.

That boy was taken care of, he was a good human being.’

I say: ‘That is nothing.’

I say: ‘Look, we will stroke him. Just do it.’

‘Oh, eh, huh’, he stood here.

He was a man of thirty-six.

I say: ‘What a wretch you are.’

I say: ‘Just stroke him, kiss him.’

‘You must not do that with a body.’

I say: ‘It is no longer necessary.

It was in a manner of speaking.’

I was busy with him for a quarter of an hour, then he put his hand in his hand.

‘Cold.’

I say: ‘Very cold, isn’t it, but it does not matter.

When you feel him, the heat comes.’

And suddenly heat entered that hand, that dead hand.

Then he says: ‘It lives.’

I say: ‘No, that is him.

That is him now.’

I say: ‘From that world, from his personality he now gives you strength; so that the body gets inspiration again.’

‘God’, he says, ‘how beautiful that is.’

Then mother came.

Mother was standing weeping.

Then a few more family members came.

And then I took all those people into that discarded garment and then they were no longer afraid.

And what did that boy do then?

He went and sat one night for two, three hours in that same room.

He says: ‘Now I am no longer afraid of a body.’

I say: ‘No, now you know the body.’

I say: ‘It is no good, perfectly simple.

Perfectly simple.’

And you experienced that like that.

You did not do wrong with that.

But you were not strong enough to experience that.

When you descend into a tomb ...

You can wall me up in every tomb, madam, I will just play cards next to the corpse.

I make tea.

And if you want to have that fun, then just bring me to the grave.

I already told you here before: ‘When I go soon, you will all get a delicious glass of wine, and then you will not sing any differently than: hooray, hooray, we are still alive.’

That happens.

There is no death.

There is no corpse-like consciousness.

But you were not immune to that. So you went and lay in that bed, and that, the death and everything of the child, the loss, the grave – and now you come to stand before a universe – that still made you tremble.

Do you feel well?

And you could really have got the fright of your life.

Did you not think so?

How many people were not shocked by a corpse, by a dead person?

But you were not ready for that.

And otherwise you can just go and sleep beside the dead person, because they no longer do anything to us.

Only ignorance now speaks to the human being.

Doesn’t it?

By means of ignorance – we do not know the laws – that is still the Grim Reaper.

Death lies there, which is not death.

If you just go and look ‘behind the coffin’, you go to where the spirit and the soul, the personality has gone, then it is possible that at that moment that person already returns, if there is light, feeling, knowledge, wisdom.

And then you get a contact again with the person who has passed over.

It happened more than once that someone came back, who was still lying there in the coffin, and was already walking around here.

I saw that.

They were talking.

They experienced everything, their own funeral.

My father, the tall Hendrik, walked behind his coffin himself.

Did you read that in my book?

And I walked with him, those long steps of father, and when Gerrit thought that I was fooling around, he says: ‘Do you have to imitate your father?’

But he was here, he was here, he was here.

Do you see?

When I stood before his coffin ...

Have you already read ‘Jeus’, the first part?

You should read it sometime, madam.

I stood before his coffin, and his eyes immediately started to live again, the Tall One was in that.

Yes, by what means?

Because master Alcar wanted to give proof to this world, by means of me, by means of the Tall one, to you.

Now you have that book.

With that event alone we should be able to convince those unconscious masses.

And then I said to the Tall one: ‘Do you already have yellow spots on your face?’

I say: ‘Come out.

Come out.’

But he did not come out; he was out, he was standing next to it.

You see.

This is not wrong, this is very simple.

I do not hope that you will also have to experience it with your children.

But then you will do it differently.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, I wanted to give an example for my other children, because they were really afraid to sleep in that room.’

Of course.

(Lady in the hall): ‘I set an example then.’

Yes, very good, very good.

(Lady in the hall): ‘I was not afraid, I was not at all fearful, but I experienced all of that in my sleep.’

Yes, of course. Yes, look, there you have it: you were not fearful, you were not afraid, but experiencing it for the full hundred percent, you did not have that, otherwise that would not have happened to you.

You can put me anywhere.

Paul Brunton – we once spoke about that one evening here – entered the pyramid.

He let himself be locked up.

And Paul Brunton was a strong personality, and knew a lot, but not everything.

Then he was warned astrally, therefore spiritually on that journey. He came to an old man somewhere, he was already attracted. He says: ‘Man, man, man, go back, leave that thing.’

Why?

That whole tower room, or that king’s room in that pyramid of Giza will not harm you, if you have that consciousness.

Did you not read and hear during the years, that researchers suddenly remained dead there?

Because of those magic circles which those priests drew around those bodies.

Those are magic circles, but that is: do not touch my body.

If I have the consciousness, a magic circle like that will not hurt me; we will pull it away just like that.

Can you feel that?

A pharaoh like that will not harm me; if you know.

I am not afraid of a pharaoh, or of a priest, even if he is a hundred thousand years’ old there, and he calls himself a master, an initiated, I am not afraid of the gentlemen.

Why not?

Because I know the law.

There is no fear in space, and God did not create any fears.

It is always: because the human being himself and the law in which he lives does not know.

Now fear comes.

There would be no insane people, if you can explain the picture to the insane person.

You will not become insane because of this, because of these books.

The world, society says: ‘That is all devilish carry-on, that will make you mad.’

No, madam, but the human being sometimes goes too far.

Remain with both feet on earth.

I do too.

If you need relaxation in these things, then just go to the fair.

In ‘Masks and Men’ – I came across it this afternoon – there Frederik says to Karel, and to another: Now just really bark like a dog and feel that happiness.

And Karel laughed at him.

He said: ‘There he goes again.’

But just bark, now just be really playful.

Can we people do that?

You see, it is becoming too serious.

The human being is losing himself, and he is not prepared for millions of problems ... which are really masks for the books ‘Masks and Men’.

You did that well and you wanted to give your child an example, but you were not certain for a hundred percent, otherwise you would have experienced this without effort.

On the contrary, you could have experienced something beautiful, because you had spiritual contact and you could have received everything back again.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Can it not have been that I realised what my child experienced, because we were not there ... (inaudible).’

Yes, you can experience that.

Did it happen in that bed?

Was it there ...?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Well, then you have, then you can ... Precisely because you are a mother, love the child, you get maternal telepathy, the natural unity with your life, and then you can experience that.

Do you believe that I am sensitive?

I once went with people abroad, then I was still in the garage, and then we had to go to Brussels. In part I it says, of ‘A View into the Hereafter’.

Have you read that?

Then I had to sleep in a hotel.

They give me a room.

But, good heavens, good heavens, what charged at me there, in a hotel room like that.

I was simply beaten to death for five days there, I could not say anything more; I had to fight it, and everything which I had in my pockets, I gave that to the poor there, who ... with crutches and with ...

The people – we went to friends of theirs, that was a professor – went and sat at the windows to eat.

I say: ‘I am not going to eat there, I cannot do that.’

Because the poor people stood there.

And they wanted it anyway.

I say: ‘Fine, sir, fine.’

Then that man thinks: what a strange man he is.

But suddenly I took that piece of chicken and that plate, and those potatoes and everything, and I walked out the door, I gave it to those people.

And then I had also eaten.

And then that city did not harm me again.

Then they thought of course: he is mad.

But how can I go and sit before that window, with chicken – they also had wine – and there is the poverty of the world?!

Dear God, I suffocated in it, I could not do it.

And they did not understand that.

I just trudged along behind those people there.

‘What is the matter with you?’

I say: ‘I will tell you later.’

We were not yet out of that city when I shouted from happiness: ‘Thank God, I can breathe again.’

‘Do you understand that now’, that man says, ‘what kind of boy that is?’

I say: ‘Sir, this is real and that of yours is false.’

I say: ‘I do not say that you are false.’

But when we come to stand before the life, madam, did you think that you stuff yourself full, and there is someone sitting next to you, and you let that life starve; is that possible?

That is not possible, is it?

Now, I went into that, no, I was in that, in that room there; I fled from there.

During that time I was still kneeling and praying.

I prayed that whole night, because there were fifty men and women in that room.

I think: good God, good God.

Yes, images, psychometrics is ...

Did you not think ...

You cannot let me sleep anywhere at the moment, because I would rather lie down in nature.

If you want to invite me home in order to give me peace, then do not give me any bed where twenty-five people have slept, because I will take over that whole state of those people.

All the things you will take over from a child like that, if that child is yours.

I just walk outside, but it is charging at me.

I have become so sensitive.

I explained that to you here and you now hear that.

When soon in Diligentia – which it concerns - ...

That will become deadly seriousness and it is really nonsense, but you will have to remain standing on both legs, if you wish to make it through.

I made it through.

You will soon hear how.

You can also experience that.

And in this way I take over everything from the human being and from the life, but I deal with it, because I now know the laws, know everything, death, everything of the human being, soul, spirit, personality.

I saw it.

I was in the hells, in the heavens.

I experienced cosmic laws.

I can no longer dream.

I was never a dreamer, madam, because it has followed me since I was a child.

Everything which I tell you, was all experienced.

It has become cosmic wisdom.

But the sensitivity of the human being connects you to what you love and with what you are involved.

Is that not clear?

So you could have experienced a lot more in that room.

Terrible.

I could keep on going like this.

Do you understand it?

Anything else?

Thank you.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘May I ask a question?’

Yes, sir.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘That lady told just now, that, when she came back into the day conscious self, that she could smell the scent of flowers.’

What did you say?

(Gentleman in the hall reacts). Yes.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Didn’t she?

Then, at that moment she had to be one with the child, didn’t she?’

That was already contact, yes.

That smell of flowers which you smelled ... And they were not in the room?

(The woman says): ‘No.

Had been of course.’

Were still there, were still there.

I will give you an example, Mr Berends, how far it goes.

If I had a book finished – I had experienced it, and the masters had written it – then I did not say anything to my wife.

But an hour later, when it was finished – for every book, it had still not been published – the flowers came, they came through the walls.

The flowers were everywhere.

Then she sniffed around me.

I say: ‘No, I did not put on any perfume.’

‘Say, how lovely it smells here.’

I say: ‘Look, child, that is a spiritual perfume.’

Which Frederik talked about in ‘Masks and Men’.

Sir, and after all the books ...

My sister came there, my sister came with flowers, the tall Hendrik came with flowers, that one with flowers.

I think: look, look, look, how they know that I have finished a book.

And the same for every book.

The people on the stairs could already smell it: ‘How fresh it smells here, it is as if you enter heaven.’

I think: yes, you are in that, you are in that, because flowers, astral flowers stand there.

And now you.

Madam, many people experience that.

Father and mother talk about a child, children talk about parents, and say: ‘What a wonderful smell we are suddenly getting.’

Madam, believe it, they stand with flowers next to you.

And that is true.

That perfume from the other side, the astral life, that is so sharp.

But now in ‘Masks and Men’ or in ‘Spiritual Gifts’ the explanation comes: how do you smell that?

Eh?

And you do not smell it now with your noses, with the organs, but you feel it, and by means of the feeling, the feeling makes that connection, that contact brings your organs to that state, and you smell.

Do you not like that?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Did you have anything else?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, I could connect something to this and that actually seems to be the same thing.

We have a big boy of approximately thirty years old, he suddenly had to go to the hospital for an operation.

I went with him.

I entered the hospital.

But that doctor did not know what was happening.

Finally they had reassured him again in such a way ...

Yes, that doctor, that little doctor came out of that door there, that so-called glass bell, and then he said he had to be operated upon; but he did not know what it was.

At the same moment I was standing in that corridor, and then a child of ours appeared there – we had lost a child of ten days’ old, thirty years ago – that child appeared behind that glass door, and it said ...’

Did you see that? Did you see that?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I saw that.

That child said: ‘Dad, go home, it will be okay.’

I did not expect that doctor again at all and I left.’

That is good.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I come home.

My wife says: ‘Can you not smell anything?’

I say: ‘No, not yet.’

Then she says: ‘Now, those flowers smell’, there were not any flowers at all.’

I think: ‘Eh, how strange that was.’

But it is actually the same phenomenon as of that lady with that child which had passed on, and that child of ours which had become ten days’ old and had also passed on.’

I say: Sir, it often happens ...

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I saw those spiritual flowers as a sensitivity of the own life.’

Yes, by means of your sensitivity ...

There are people who are not susceptible to anything.

Not?

But an animal also smells it.

And now, I once experienced it with people, now, that was a terrible pair, and when they lost something, that mother came, the woman, by means of a smell, a perfume ... ‘There is something’, she says, ‘my God, my God, there is something.’

By means of that those people changed, only because the person who had passed on, whom they had lost – and they were to blame for that – came back, only let them smell.

And change came to that animal-like state of those people, because the mother was touched by that.

Don’t you think that is good?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, of course.’

Those things happen more often, but the human being does not always understand them.

Any more questions?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No, thank you.

Thank you.

I have here: ‘Must the human being undergo and experience everything himself in order to master it?

If this is true, then it follows from that that we have all experienced suicide or must still experience it.

Is that true?’

From who is that?

(Gentleman in the hall) ‘From me.’

Sir, we were all suicides.

And did you really think ...

You must accept of course that we have been here on earth hundreds of thousands of times.

And it cannot be any different, because we come from the jungle and go to the white people, to the white race (see article ‘There are no races’ on rulof.org). And that takes – I explained to you and you will read in ‘The Origin of the Universe’ – that takes millions of years and we need thousands lives for that.

Did you really think that we did not succumb during those thousands of lives?

Or do you assume that we possess the heavens, the kingdom of God by means of one life?

You do not assume that.

And that is not possible either, and that cannot be either, because it is not that.

So on that long road, through all those lives we certainly once destroyed ourselves and others.

Didn't you think so?

So we were suicides, sir, and we did a lot of cannibalism.

We laughed so much recently, because we then decided together ...

Someone who said: ‘What is the tastiest part of a human being?’

Then he says: ‘This, this bit’, that, that palm of the hand.

Then that man there says: ‘How do you know that?’

That was in the East.

Then he says: ‘Sir, I do not eat any people, as long as I do not get hold of any.’

Then he says: ‘Then I will make sure that I always have revolvers on me.’

He came from Somali, there, which we want so much, do you know?

That which Soekarno wanted to have so much, that bit.

(In the hall): ‘New Guinea.’

What is it called again?

(In the hall): ‘New Guinea.’

Oh yes, something like that.

And people still live there who ...

So, we are so happy with a piece of land, but what lives there, that still usually and generally takes part in cannibalism.

There are people there who already talk Dutch and possess that consciousness; because there were a few of those cannibals on the radio.

They no longer eat human flesh of course.

There were a few who were called engineer so and so, and he was pitch-black.

Look, there are already people there ...

And then that boy himself says: ‘Yes, if you go deeper into Guinea, then you will be put in a pot, on Sunday mornings, and then you will certainly not come out of there alive.’

And then we talked here about the human soup.

Not chicken soup, sir, but human soup.

You see, did you think that we did not do that there, when we lived in that jungle there?

Or do you assume that those people must stay there, while here we get consciousness, light, life, a warm fire, good food and drink? We got consciousness and God just lets those people sit there?

Is that possible? Is that possible now?

So.

So you are also saddled with hundreds of thousands of suicides, and I too.

Whether we still do it?

Now?

I do not believe that anymore.

You?

Sir, if you see a suicide one day, then just do not say that that man is stupid, but then you must ask yourself – and this is how I start to think about that –: ‘Am I finished for myself?’

If a human being hits another, sir, what do you do then?

If a human being burdens, gossips, talks about and destroys the human being, what will we do now?

Am I free from that?

I do not interfere in that.

You see, now life becomes good, because you start to see it differently.

But we have shadows behind us?

No, sir, we now still drag ship loads full with us, and that is then called karmic laws.

Did you not think so?

That is this, and that is that, and that is like that, and that is like that, we have misery, we do not make progress; we want to, but we cannot.

What is that, sir?

Masks and masks and masks and masks, problems.

But we have collected them, including suicide, everything.

We were conscious murderers at that time; now I flatly refuse to do it.

If they want to make a general of me, I say: ‘Sir, now go away quickly with your stars.’

I say: ‘Then I must order the people to kill another life?

But I can no longer do that, can I?

I am no longer interested in that.

Sir, I find you long in the tooth.

That of you, sir, that already belongs to the prehistoric ages.’

You no longer wish to play the general.

You do not even want to, sir, be the chief of police, here like this, because you will not put any more people in jail.

You not even want anything more to do with that harshness and that destruction.

If you start to do this work, want to experience this life, sir, then there is actually almost no job left in society; or you must be able to stand on your own two feet.

Then you would much rather sell flowers door to door, and rags. And then you will count much more for that world, with rags, than if you sit there with a collar on and you say: ‘He will get twenty years from me.’

Is that true or not?

‘That, a life sentence!’

And there is one ... ‘Death sentence!’

No, my dear man, did you think that space, that God, Christ wants the human being to be murdered by the human being?

That there is a judge on earth who gets the right to say: ‘Twenty years.

Life.

Just hang him’?

Would you dare to act the executioner?

It is true, sir, isn’t it?

You no longer do that.

If you – we wonder here, the books say, the masters say, I saw as a child – if you accept the ten commandments, how can you then kill?

How can you then destroy the people?

How can you go to Korea in order to get a ribbon?

Someone returns ...

Did you not experience that drama recently?

What an unconsciousness, sir.

A boat comes there with those Korea fighters.

It is still necessary, but that no longer concerns me.

Then they say: ‘What a coward.’

‘Who is cowardly’, Christ said, ‘the human being who stabs with a knife, throws stones, or the human being who says: “Hit me, hit me”?

Who is cowardly now?

Who?

In what was Christ great and almighty?

Just prove it.

Why?

Then He stood before Pilate and said: ‘I am nothing.’

(Someone in the hall): ‘You said it.’

Then they ... him ...

What did you say?

Then they spat right in His face, in His visage, tortured and beat Him; He did not say anything.

If He had said one wrong thing, then He would have discarded and lost His divine attunement, which is love.

What do you do now?

A boat like that comes there, those distinguished gentlemen came. A minister stands there with a paper like that in his hand: ‘Eh ... what work eh ... you did.

(laughter) Eh ... eh ... you have ...’

Someone else comes and stands next to them, who said: ‘You ... you ... you have proved that ... that you are real so ..., real, oh yes, real so ...’

They break their neck over four words.

That comes from the paper, sir.

That general, that minister, he read that out, two sentences; I saw that in a film, that took place in Rotterdam.

I think: good grief.

And you swallow that?

There was one there who had lost an arm and a leg, eh, and was in ecstasy: the minister spoke to him.

There was another one and he said: ‘You have proved that the Dutch soldier can take part with regard to the whole world.’

Do you see?

‘Eh eh ...’

Also from the paper.

(laughter)

And if you now go there as a human being, sir ...

Do you still wish to enter there?

Good heavens, good heavens, good heavens, can you change those people?

Did he have his fun there in Korea?

Yes, he lost a few arms and a few legs.

He had his fun.

Sympathy with those people?

Sir, when you come to stand before these things, you become as harsh as a piece of granite.

And you are not that.

Because, what does the law say?

Stay out of that!

Do not interfere with that destruction!

Go home!

And then I say, sir: ‘Flowers!

Beautiful flowers!’

Oh dear, you should see that, there.

That goes there ...

You should look. Just follow them.

I am much more peaceful, sir.

I no longer take part in that destruction in our society.

Yes, I am mad.

They find me a rebel there.

No, hundreds of boys received militarism as a gift because of ‘The Grebbe Line’.

That major says: ‘Just go away, because we have already had a few hundred here from that Jozef Rulof. Nothing can be done with you, because you have been thoroughly spoilt.’

Thank you.

I say: ‘Say nothing, otherwise they will tug at your coat.’

And they go home.

Sir, do not kill.

Do you see?

And what do we have ...

I will give you examples, in order to show you, sir, if you begin with these things, then you will experience, what the mother experiences there, what that man experiences there, that a child returns and says: ‘Father, go home, there is nothing happening.’

What did you think, if we were to murder and commit arson there, that that world can reach us?

Also that, also that.

If we are susceptible to the good, the voice always comes from space.

But murderers, suicides, people who sully, we have been everything, we have been thieves and arsonists, and we are still perhaps that.

Which of us can prove, oh, if everything must happen: ‘I will not do it.

I have my hands tied, that will is strong enough not to lead that hand.’

Now, then we must all see ourselves again in the concentration camps, because they proved it there, people who could do it.

People were so awe-inspiringly tortured. I sympathised with them, oh, oh, oh, sympathised ... They were tortured so much, because they did not want to tell anything, because then they would have betrayed people.

They were – you know them, with cigarette ends – they were branded there, like before, on the back with red-hot iron, and they did not say anything.

That will, sir, now devoted for the good, yourself, space.

I had awe-inspiring respect for the NSB members during the war years.

Master Zelanus talked about it on Sunday. But they already get a feather in their cap from him (see article ‘NSB and national socialism’ on rulof.org).

He says: ‘You will see, André, after the war we will see many of them.

Because that is the possession of the world, if they start to see it spiritually.

Because the human being who has devoted his powers, can do more, and is capable of everything, when he knows.’

Isn’t he?

(Assenting noises)

I have sacred respect for those people, because they were the idealists for us. But I warned hundreds of them; they could know.

‘Why do you not come?’

I say: ‘Human being, stay out of that chaos.’

They did not listen.

Now, I could not do anything more, nothing.

They went.

After the war they came back to me: ‘Do you still wish to see me?’

I say: ‘Come in, man, just come in.’

I say: ‘Was it hard?’

‘Oh, human being.’

‘Was it difficult?’

‘Yes.’

I say: ‘Imagine that you had had the feeling during that and that time to be able to listen to me, then you would not have experienced that misery.

I could already have let you read ‘The Peoples of the Earth’; I already had that in 1940.’

But must we now not prove what we can do?

And must we not earn our feeling and consciousness?

And we keep on succumbing again and again and again.

And there are still enough of them, sir, who commit suicide and perish from that.

Didn’t you think so?

You ask here: ‘When Lantos was free from his body, he could only enter the astral world when the end of his actual earthly life had come.’

That is about the book ‘The Cycle of the Soul.’

This is clear.

‘But is this also the case if someone dies as a result of an accident and passes on too soon, for example?’

We recently talked about all kinds of deathbeds.

The whole evening –didn’t we, ladies and gentlemen who were here? – we experienced those states, about dying too soon, and that is going very far.

Isn’t it?

The people asked me here: ‘Must you, can you give the light from your eyes, the cornea to the human being?

Would you do that?’

I said: ‘No, now I will no longer do it.’

Why?

I explained that to the people.

If I go soon ...

‘And if you enter the coffin, you can give the cornea and then a human being can perhaps see again because of you.’

And then I said ...

I said first: ‘Yes.

Do it.

Great, wonderful.’

But it is going that far, and you say I am right again, when you really now ... when people on the other side live in the first sphere, where you are harmony in everything, love, and you see back from there that that blind man who now sees, because of you, beats things to pieces, and steals from and cheats the human being – it is possible, isn’t it? – then you get the pain, because you have now helped someone to begin with destruction, because that sorrow, that pain, that beating follows you in that world.

Do you not believe that?

So I do not even do that anymore.

You can ultimately, if you stand before the laws, not give the human being anything more, nothing, nothing.

You must do it yourself.

This is a karmic law, a disturbance.

That personality experienced something somewhere, took the light from a human being’s eyes somewhere and is now walking around blind himself, otherwise that would not be possible.

Do you accept that?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Is that also the case for a blood transfusion?’

Oh, madam, we also talked about that here.

Just the same thing.

And a blood transfusion, madam, also leads to great problems, great problems.

We treated those things here.

Now the question is ...

That is clear.

Now the question is: ‘But is this also the case for someone who dies as a result of an accident?’

What do you want to know about that accident and that dying now?

For me there are thousands of possibilities.

Every human being now possesses an own deathbed.

What is the state of dying, passing on like? The accident, how did that happen?

Through your own fault?

Through nonchalance?

Through being wild on the road?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘A real accident, something which happens completely outside of your will.’

An accident?

So a death ...

I will tell you something: A friend of mine goes to Sassenheim during the war, in 1944, and goes there together with someone to get some food.

He is near the tunnel, close to the tunnel on the Leidsestraatweg, and suddenly hears as it were: ‘Jan, light your pipe.’

Then the man with whom he cycled back from Leiden says: ‘I will carry on, sir, I will see you there soon.’

That man cycles on, at the same time the English come and throw bombs under the tunnel, and that man is in bits and pieces; the one who lit the pipe, is still alive now.

What is that?

And more people were warned in this way.

In Den Helder there were people ... He fled from danger.

That house in which he lived, is still there; children went back again.

Father wanted to go, could not stand it, he went to Amsterdam.

Outside, on the edge of Amsterdam, he got a little house.

One morning he goes to have a look, suddenly a bullet flies through his head.

Dead.

He simply walked towards his death.

Accident?

The children returned to Den Helder, now live there again; father sought his death.

Thousands of things happened.

A lady in Bezuidenhout.

I have heard masses of problems from the people.

I asked: ‘Did you experience anything?

Did you experience this?’

I think: how can it be.

A lady flees one morning from Bezuidenhout from that huge bombing, she runs from there, cannot be stopped.

And more people experienced that.

Get out of here!

And in the morning as early as nine o’clock, almost ... Up already at seven o’clock and everything ready, and reaches ... ‘I do not know what is happening, but I want to leave.’

Get a little story, go to sister, or also go into the city and they are not properly out of there when the fun begins; free.

Another person wants to stay at home at all costs; is gone.

Do you see?

Life itself ... You should listen carefully, it goes that far: when we are in harmony with life, the great life, the wonderful life of which we are a part, with the macrocosmos, God, if we are in harmony with that, sir, madam, would you then think that we can be destroyed by a bomb or a bullet from another, by a knife?

That we could be struck down from our life?

That is not possible.

But because we ourselves are disharmonic, possess mistakes – we have beaten bits and pieces, sir – we get that same law back on our path, and we depart this life, we are hammered out of it.

And now you have in that ... Every human being is now another problem, is a law, and now all the transitions are personal or legislative or natural, or the life speaks.

Can you feel?

And now you get thousands ...

Now you can write thousands and thousands of books about all those death beds and all those accidents and all those coincidences, whatever it is, and then you will still not have made it.

The human being is now so deep.

And it takes us there.

Which of you has anything else?

You were talking about a blood transfusion; do you have anything else?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, I actually mean it like this, look, if someone passes on purely by accident, does he then experience the same thing as Lantos experienced after he became free from his material body?’

You see, I ask you that, if you go through that death because of another, such as that accident which I showed you ...

I do not know whether you want to follow those people, but that man was free, it was his time.

There is no question here of nonchalance, there is no question here of seeking death.

Don’t you think?

So that is just the time of transition, because God does not know any deathbeds.

And he is free.

But if we now consciously go to suicide, then we are attached to the body, we first go into the ground with the body, and then we come out of it, because that body rots away consciously under and in us.

You feel those worms in your eyes, because you are attached to that – because you are the feeling for that life – you are attached to it by means of the fluid cord; that cannot be broken, because it is not yet your time.

That is the greatest, the deepest torture which the human being can experience: suicide.

If you are then free, that rotting has gone, then the fluid cord rips. That must also be destroyed, because there (is) nothing more, only the bones still lie there. That fluid cord rips apart, you become free and you go, but you are still in another world, in the world in which Lantos came after his rotting process.

If you do not have that, sir, then you go back to the world of the unconscious, then you become an embryo again, then you are born again on earth, you get a new body ...

You are now a Dutchman, but then you perhaps end up in France or amongst the Russians.

You no longer come into the jungle, but you can still be a Negro (see article ‘Against racism and discrimination’ on rulof.org), or a black person.

It could be that Harlem in America attracts you, and then you walk there with fat cheeks and nice and black, and no one knows the Dutch who who who.

Yes, madam, America, France, Germany, the jungle and all the languages and all the peoples of the earth who live in our hearts, who are part of our subconsciousness.

Sir, do not shout at a Frenchman or a Russian, it was we ourselves!

Do you not feel, do you not find all of this just?

Do you see?

If you say that you are white, sir, it could be that the black radiance runs ahead of you, and we say: ‘Ha, there you have a Negro (see article ‘Against racism and discrimination’ on rulof.org).’

A black white Negro.

Yes, it’s true, isn’t it?

Did you have anything else?

Madam, did you have anything else?

(Lady in the hall): ‘No.’

We will not begin with the blood transfusion, because that is a whole lot.

If you want to know, I will go into it, but then you must formulate the question.

(Lady in the hall): ‘A moment ago you said: no eye.’

What did you say?

(Lady in the hall): ‘ ... with that eye lending, that that was wrong, this is why I thought: is blood lending also wrong?’

Madam, a blood transfusion is just as bad as lending an eye.

Now it comes down to it.

You cannot live in my world, and I cannot live in yours; I no longer do it.

And that is logical too.

But when at a certain moment – here in the hall, I am asked that question – when it is necessary at a certain moment ... A gentleman asked that question, and he says: ‘My son received a blood transfusion, is that okay?’

I say: ‘Yes.’

I say: ‘From a physical point of view, for this consciousness of the human being, yes, why not?

But where are you heading?

Does the doctor know the depth of the blood?’ I said.

‘The blood has seven worlds and seven depths.’

I said: ‘The blood was checked in day consciousness and they did not diagnose any diseases.’

Did they?

But when we return to the past, to the third gender, madam, then the child from that and that father tuberculosis and cancer.

Yes, grandfather had it too, so his blood is in me.

And now the cancer comes up.

I said to that gentleman: ‘Do not worry, because the time for our life here is too short, because you must now be able to live a hundred and fifty or a hundred and seventy-five years – three times that generation. But then all those troubles from that blood will irrevocably appear in your body and then you will perhaps have cancer, tuberculosis, and who knows what our race (see article ‘There are no races’ on rulof.org), our family had in those previous centuries; that will come out.

So I am really not so keen anymore and so happy when the doctor tells me: ‘Say, Mr Rulof, you will get a blood transfusion.’

I say: ‘Then just give me cooked soup, then I can at least also get a chicken complex, but who knows what I will now get.’

Can you feel, the blood can inspire and contaminate us.

And now it is an example for the human being, a law; now you must decide for yourself what you do.

Now we stand before things ...

(Lady in the hall): ‘If dying is involved in that ...’

Yes, madam.

(Lady in the hall): ‘ ... then it becomes a bit difficult.’

Yes, madam, but I am not afraid of that dying, I want to die.

(Lady in the hall): ‘No, does it not matter then ...’

You see, you see, we come ...

You are still thinking humanly, I no longer do, at least not as a human being here.

If your life is in the hands of spatial harmony, how could I then die five minutes too soon?

That is not possible, is it?

But the human being who becomes ill, already lives in disharmony.

And that human being must adjust to society, to the academics, the doctor, he must accept that doctor, because that doctor who helps and is busy curing him of that social, physical disharmony.

Is that clear?

So you must decide for yourself what you do.

And you do it, listen, because when ...

(Lady in the hall): ‘If it involves the dying of your child, then ... (inaudible).’

Yes, but I am not afraid of the Grim Reaper, because I am pleased that I am going.

(Lady in the hall): ‘I do not mean that either ...’

No, you see, it is that difference of thinking and feeling which we have to do with.

That is exactly the same as the human being who is pleased that he still gets a ribbon, and gets this, and can achieve that; by means of devastation; by means of destruction of the human being?

We no longer do that.

So I am not afraid of that death either, I have nothing to do with that death, because there is no death, I am departing this life, I am going further.

And, now, let it be this evening, in five minutes’ time; I would prefer it than in a fortnight’s time.

Do you think ...

(Lady in the hall): ‘Mr Rulof ...’

Do you think that is bad?

(Lady in the hall): ‘ ... may I ... you?’

We are not finished yet, madam.

(To the other lady): Did you have anything else?

(Back to the first lady): Now you can begin.

(The woman says): Mr Rulof, blood transfusions are also given, and even many transfusions, but then they die anyway when it is time.’

There you have it, you see, and all that operating does not help anymore.

I have had doctors as friends, I still have them, and he says: ‘Now, we operated, they wanted it at all costs.

We cannot say: “Yes, do not do it, because it will not help anyway.”’

So they still try it.

They opened the body.

He says: ‘Well, we could close it again, because it was nothing but rotting, cancer.

Four days later dead.’

Could that lady have perhaps lived another five days if she had not been operated upon?

Then what?

A fortnight.

Then what?

Two months.

It longer means anything to you if you are living dead, but in two months a lot can be said to another person.

You could have used those two months, and could say to father, and Jacob and Nico – we are not holding Nico’s hand – and to Herman and whoever, your housemates: ‘Say, boy, in a few weeks I will be going away, let us talk some more.’

Were they so conscious?

Then there is something, then there is consciousness, then you will say: ‘Do not do it, because you will die.’

If you can talk to the doctor: ‘Doctor, tell me, what do you think, I am so, I know this, I know that’, then that doctor says: ‘So, now child, well, it is hanging by a silk thread, one half percent with regard to a hundred that you will die.

You are not afraid of death, are you?’

‘No, doctor.’

‘Well’, he says, ‘let us try it, let us make that bet, let us see what happens, let us see what lives inside you.’

Four days later: dead.

‘Well’, that doctor says, ‘she would have gone anyway.

And we would not have been any wiser.’

What should you do now, madam?

Have the operation?

You see, that is all personal.

You cannot act by means of the will and the power and the life of feeling of another, you act when it comes down to it exactly as you now are.

Anything else?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Yes, sir.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I wanted to ask something.

Look, if someone used to have an ulcer or a struma, if they do not operate on him, then he will die irrevocably.’

Sir, there you have the convenience of society.

What did you say?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘And if you do operate on him, he will make it.’

So, now they have placed me before, if you ultimately accept everything, do you feel, you are faced with ... coincidence?

No, then you are faced with complete surrender.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

And is that possible in this society ...?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Complete surrender?’

That is not possible, sir.

You do not even have the right to that.

That’s it.

If you have an ulcer, or you have something else, and there has to be an operation, then just surrender to that society, because you do not yet have the cosmic, the spatial consciousness, or you would not have that ulcer.

Would you?

Do you see?

That means, the spirit gives you harmony and harmonic life.

If I am bothered by an ulcer tomorrow, do you feel, and I do not get rid of it by means of concentration, by means of that and that, and that doctor can do something about it with his knife, did you think then that I would go against his science so obstinately?

Now master Alcar bows, Christ bows and God bows.

Because where do those doctors come from, sir?

From a school of learning which was built up in that world; the knowledge of the Other Side, the University of the Messiah, that comes to earth. The doctor rises and learns every moment.

He makes that infallibly okay again like that.

Now I have to bow my head to him.

Because soon – I taught the people, and that is true – there is no longer a karmic law on earth and we have nothing more to do with cause and effect.

Equipment, instruments will later come, which conquer every disease.

There will soon no longer be any cancer, any more cholera, any more leprosy, any more tuberculosis; they will be connected to an instrument which feeds us cosmically.

Just read ‘The Peoples of the Earth’.

And, sir, every misery will dissolve, nothing is immune to that, every destruction will get new food.

Is that not clear?

So it will have disappeared then.

But when I have to bow ...

If I break a leg, sir, do I not have to bow to the doctor then?

It must be set, mustn't it?

Those are the states of adjustment for me with regard to the wisdom.

We will not avoid any wisdom.

But if it concerns life and death and I have that in my hands, outside of those miseries and those pains, then I start to think differently about that.

Can you feel that?

And now the human being must decide himself for the state which he gets into.

And not about things which he is not yet familiar with and does not know and which will not come either.

Isn’t it true?

(To the sound technician): Are you already looking at that thing?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Oh.

Sir, did you have anything else?

Thank you.

Then I will go a bit further.

I have here: ‘I was brought up as a Protestant originally.

There are so many questions which the church was never able to or did not want to explain to me.

The readings in Diligentia affected me so much that I am getting answers to different questions.

I have very difficult problems, including this one: I have four children, three of them are apathetic according to the doctors.

One of them has already been in an institution for three years.

Now, according to the doctors, I will have to give up those other two.

The church says that these are beatings for sins, which I or my ancestors would have committed.

I always believed that, but can now no longer accept this.’

From who is this?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, from me.’

Sir, those apathetic children have nothing to do with the church, or God, but you have to experience the state as the spirit is of this personality.

You have to do with those children, those spirits, those beings, that mother, that man, that woman whom you now meet, and whom you have attracted by means of the marriage; that is and belongs to our life now, we have to do with that, otherwise you would not attract those souls.

But you are not responsible for those illnesses.

That life placed itself in there itself, and that is the state of that child.

Is that clear?

So the justice of God is already speaking here.

But the human being does not understand that.

You have nothing to do with those people in that state.

You must ... the image ...

The church hammers a bit more upon it, do you see?

You still have a straw to grasp, but you must also lose that.

This is why I walked out of the Catholic church, you see; because that is impossible.

There was a boy here recently, and he was also an apathetic, psychopathic child.

The father says: ‘I have three of them.’

He says: ‘One falls from six metres down to the ground: there is nothing wrong with him.

I think: thank God, he is ...’

He says: ‘I go downstairs.

He stands up, looks at me and walks upstairs.’

He says: ‘You will certainly find me harsh, Mr Rulof, but you should experience it, day in day out.

We are tyrannized.’

I say: ‘Sir, that is your own fault.’

‘Why?’

‘I will tell you that.’

He says: ‘The other one puts his finger outside the door, or he does something: burns his whole hand.

Also falls, breaks his leg.’

‘Not him’, he says, ‘not him.

I must certainly have him.’

That man is desperate, desperate, desperate.

I say: ‘Sir, just take it simply.

Why do you want to keep that child at home?

You could be rid of it.

You have it from that: social, karmic, cause and effect.

Socialism is good, if it is good.

I say: ‘Sir, you have an institution there, people know the state there and people do everything for the child, which you and your wife cannot do.

You pay a few cents, but then you will truly be rid of the misery.

Why do you not give the child to the male teacher and the female teacher who have studied for that? You will rid of it, and you will know that the child will be taken care of.

And that is not a lack of love, you will read that in ‘Masks and Men’.

That child will be far better off than with you.’

That is that.

But when you start to ask: ‘Did I do that?

Did we commit those sins, that we get saddled with that?’

Sir, just put it aside, because that is not possible.

That is not there. Otherwise God would not be there either, and then we would not be there, and then we would all walk precisely backwards with our backs to the sun ahead.

Or we would go above our heads.

The whole of society would mean nothing anymore.

You can just throw sun, moon and stars in the stove, if you can do it, and God too.

Then just do not believe in anything else, just live it up, and thieve and steal and murder and commit arson as hard as you like, there is not a God anyway.

We all used to think that, and then we let rip like I don’t know what.

But later, when you went to look and when you got to know those laws, here or there ...

You were maybe in a temple.

You have this feeling in this life, you are sitting here and another person is not sitting here.

You want to read those books and another person says: ‘What does that matter to me?’

But you get the feeling to awaken.

Sir, just put that aside.

You already have a considerable task here in order to prepare yourself along with your wife in this life for something else.

You knew that soul, those people, that personality which lives in this body, of this child, somewhere in one of the lives.

And now that child let rip much worse than you; you are already that far that you have a social grip, you are harmonic, that child not yet.

And now you attracted that child, because we perhaps gave it a beating there, in France, or somewhere else, in America, in Germany, I do not know.

And now it comes, at a good time, after so many thousands of years we come to earth again, we grow up, we get married, we attract a life, and there is one child, one human being from all those lives, who now said to me: ‘Hush, it is my turn.

I am coming.’

And then dad and mum are standing there.

They have a child, the child is apathetic; another one, another one.

You have three of them, did you say?

A difficult task.

We say here – and now laugh about it - we know that we let rip.

But the human being who attracts this, must accept: so, what was the matter with me there and there and there and there?

And then you see it differently, you experience it differently.

Sun comes anyway. You only know, you now know, and that is the convenience, that is the power again, that is the harmony again: if it is possible, you start to talk to that child.

You do something nice, you do something else, you start to see the child very differently.

You no longer feel strange at all towards this psychopathic, unconscious life.

And that great pressure from the church has gone, because God does not punish.

No, sir.

Here comes our sin – see, they are nearby – but that sin comes back again. We violated a life; now it stands before us; but free, as an own independence.

You have nothing to do with that, sir.

But we have something to do here, and you have your child.

Can also be your wife.

Can be your husband.

Who is beaten in this life?

The sensitive human being.

The brute does not get an inner, spiritual beating.

Does he?

The sensitive human being, the contact between man and wife, is worn down, and the one who wears the other down does not feel anything, he does not understand that that woman or that man is making such a fuss: ‘Why, I only said something.’

But another person was already worn down by that.

By means of a word you can stick a knife into a human being, not into his material heart, but into his spiritual heart.

And that is more sensitive than the material one.

Do you believe that?

Because, sir and madam, we feel the knife in our soul, and not in the heart; and that is the spirit, the life of feeling, the personality.

(To the sound technician): How many minutes can be taken off?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Two.’

(Back to the man asking a question): Have you changed a bit because of it?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, Mr Rulof.’

Do you have any more questions about it?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No, sir.’

I thank you. I hope that I was able to give you something.

Ladies and gentlemen, the tea is ready.

INTERVAL

Ladies and gentlemen, I have something here.

They found that.

I have a long letter here.

Madam, did you give me a half a book?

‘Would the following dreams be worth a discussion?’

If so, we will ‘zu den Träumen.’

‘If not, would you put those papers aside.’

Yes, we will first read what is in it.

We are curious, madam.

‘Thanking you in advance.’

And there it goes: ‘A long time ago, even before I had become acquainted with the teachings of the masters, I dreamt the following: I was in a large empty room.

The glass windows in the doors opened outwards, and were also opened.

When I risked stepping on the outside edge of the floor, so by the doors, I looked into a depth.

I could therefore not step out without becoming a cropper.

But suddenly my gaze was attracted upwards slightly to the right and there I saw a large globe.

Perhaps with the diameter of one meter.

That globe was hanging between heaven and earth ...’

Like moon, sun and stars, something like that?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Only much lower of course.’

Oh, there are many of those globes there?

‘It was studded with stars,’ look ‘suns and planets.’

That one globe?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.’

That single one.

‘I was really enthralled by this sight and was able to keep the dream clear for a very long time, but now everything is becoming vague.

Later that same globe was hanging’ ... In your room.

(Lady in the hall): ‘In that same dream that globe came to hang in the room.’

Madam, lady, miss.

(laughter) Well, you see, madam, lady, and then I could have dwelled upon it, but suddenly something else came and she told me: ‘I am not a lady at all, I am ...’

That globe with those stars and the planets, that was a dream, a portentous dream, that you would be involved with that wisdom one day.

We had a boy here one evening, who said; ‘Mr Rulof, do you not find it strange, before I knew you I was with a boss, then I dreamt that I was with a boss, and that I became involved with books there, which were to do with everything, that and that.’

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘He worked for that boss.’

Yes.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘He did not dream it, but he worked for that boss.’

He worked for that boss.

(Jozef finishes the story.) ‘And now the books are lying before me.’

In this way people have dreams which really already predict where the personality will go.

(Jozef continues for the lady.) Now that globe is, that terrestrial globe, that planet and those stars ...

We have the macrocosmos in our hands at the moment, because we have received twenty, twenty-five books through the masters and we now know that globe.

So that has become true, confirmation for you.

Hasn’t it?

There is a lot in that, yes, indeed.

Your whole life has to do with it.

Second: ‘Perhaps a year later I dreamt that I was outside with another two people.

First we were walking, but then we sat down, we talked to each other.

I do not know what about.

But the ground was green and hilly.

Suddenly I saw a dot in the sky, very small, but in such a way that my attention was focussed on it.

I do not know whether the others saw it.

I did not bother anymore with them and observed that dot.

Slowly that dot descended, became bigger, and finally began to take shape.

When I could see this shape fully, I saw a male silhouette, no longer young, but with an unforgettable friendly face, which was surrounded by silver-grey locks.

The eyes were sky-blue, and those eyes and that smile were extraordinarily captivating and soft, oh so friendly and loving.

In his right hand he was holding a scroll, tied up, approximately twenty-five to thirty centimetres wide.

When he had descended to his destination, was therefore still between heaven and earth, he unrolled this paper; it became a piece of perhaps half a meter long and there was a lot to read on it.

But now I could no longer see the other apparition very close above the hill tops, but he remained above that.

I now started to see for the first time that I was in a mountainous landscape.

If people were to stretch now, they could see on the paper ...’ That is remarkable, yes. ‘ ... which the shape held outstretched in both hands, as if to show it to all those men and women and children, which I also started to see for the first time.

All of them were standing around the apparition, but he did not touch the earth.

I now said in a few words to my company, that I also had to be there.

And I was also exactly on time in order to be able to see standing in the rear, stretching, on my toes, that everything was written in English.

But I felt in a hurry, also because of the difficult standing position, and only read the signature, which was very clear, and stayed with me for a long time.

Now I do not know it exactly anymore.’

That is a pity.

‘But the name began with Mac, and then the rest, Maclé, or something.

When I had this dream, I did not yet know anyone in England, did not even know that I would also go there one day.

So the landscape which I later saw in reality can now assure me that I was also in England during that dream.

The apparition was dressed in a black suit in all his sweetness, but I will never forget the eyes, face, hair and also the hands, they were of a rare beauty.

During the time of this dream I followed all the lectures and the contact evenings.’

And now you want to know what that is?

Look, your inner life is open, was open during that and that time to a higher wisdom.

And that man there in that black, that is ...

If that man, if that apparition had a heavenly garment, you would not have understood that at all.

But that man means: look, I am bringing you to wisdom, through death.

Black is death.

You had not yet understood that light.

Because he was standing on a mountain and yet that writing was visible, that scroll, he also wanted to say: I am coming ...

That means, that image – if I had seen that, I would have understood immediately – that image is coming ... He comes from a space above the earth, and did not touch the earth.

Therefore: ‘I am becoming free from the earth, but I am connecting with your life’, and that is death, that is dark, darkness, ‘but I will show you what I have.’

And then he can show you anyway, even if he is above the earth, that apparition, and whoever he is, that could be God, be Christ, it does not matter, but that apparition comes from that world, and can still show you everything irrefutably, because you are standing on top of it.

That being far away, Frederik says in ‘Maskers and Men’ is being close by.

And now you have, you now have something like that here, that is far away above the earth and yet close by, because you can read in it every day.

Isn’t that clear?

You can read in the wisdom of that world every day, if you open yourself and if you long for that.

That is a very nice dream.

(Lady in the hall): ‘But does the English language have something to do with that?’

You could have already had contact there with ... That English language could have been part of it for everyone there.

But that was a life which you were involved with.

Can you feel?

You were as it were already in the time of that English language – then you were in Scotland apparently or you lived there amongst the English or wherever, or in India – but during that time you awakened as it were for this.

And now you are here and now that contact comes back.

That is reincarnation, because the language speaks here.

(Lady in the hall): ‘And that signature, that is perhaps a pity that I now no longer know for certain?’

Now, it is no use to you, but it would ... I think that you return to a past by means of that, return to a reincarnation.

And by means of that signature ...

It could perhaps have been your own father, who knows.

There are people who have dreamt wonderful things, such as this, with you.

For example, recently there was someone here in the hall and he says: ‘I also experienced something like that.

It was in the middle of the winter.

I was sitting on a sledge moved by prickers.’

Do you remember?

‘And I used prickers to move forwards.

And that path was white.’

I say: ‘Completely white?’

‘Yes.’

I say: ‘Then that is death.’

‘No, it was snow.’

It does not matter.

When he came there amongst people, he says: ‘Continue, you, just continue.’

But he wanted to look.

And when he already started to look to the left at those people, then he was ... ‘Then’, he says, ‘I had already lost something.

I did not feel good.

And then they said there: If you just keep that path, then you will always come to a good end.’

He says: ‘Mr Rulof, you will perhaps find it mad, but you were standing at the end of that path.’

No?

He said something like that.

(Hall): ‘Yes.’

He says: ‘Does that have to do with you?’

I say: ‘Sir ...’

He says: ‘And now I have only been here a few times, but now I understand that I am sitting in that sledge moved by prickers.’

If you now go to the right, and you stand there again with a different kind, then they can once more fool you with something, but then there is also one who says: ‘Sir, just hold onto this, because then you will go safely, then you will make progress.’

Just move the prickers for one path.

Do you see?

He saw a very beautiful vision, wonderful dream.

There are people ...

Recently there was a dream in Vizier (a magazine), you will have read it, from a captain, who predicted exactly the fall of that and that and that.

That admiral would die, and more of those things.

But every human being dreams.

And one has rare dreams, then the personality is experiencing it again, then things are given a shaking.

But awe-inspiringly sharp, infallibly sharp ...

I also dreamt a lot during that time, but then they were visions for me, see, for example, if Master Alcar found me too tired during the day, then he took me during my sleep.

Or out for a moment, but he could not always do that, because then he would murder the contact, then he would start to overload that contact of disembodying.

So he had to get me in a different way, and then he gave me it like that, and then he gave me it like this.

And then I saw the patient, I was sitting talking to him. And the next day I walked like that to the patient, I say: ‘You did that and that, you did this, we will do that, because it is this.’

And then I had already experienced it like that in a dream.

Or there was a letter in my pocket and the letter started to talk. Whether that, that, or that. Then you receive the vision infallibly.

Then there is therefore direct contact.

But now you can experience this by means of your own awakening, your life.

You will feel, our reincarnation, our previous lives send us to dreams, send us to other countries.

You stand before people and say: ‘Good heavens, why do I know those people so well? Why do I feel drawn to those people?’

Perhaps it is your child, your mother, your father.

I am telling you, and just accept that, I saw it myself, I can, when ...

Master Alcar says: ‘Do you want to see your family?’

He says: ‘Yes.’

‘Then the whole world is your family.’

And then I saw hundreds of thousands of mothers of mine, fathers of mine. But I (was) also father and mother again.

And I could no longer look without bumping into the body of a child of mine.

No, bumping into the spirit.

We have had millions of lives.

And is this now all strange what we have here?

I do not even want to say hello to those children of mine here (laughter).

And if I start to talk as father and mother ...

I have talked to people here before ...

I have here, André.

How do I have my name André?

That was established beforehand.

Here ... That woman has now passed on.

But before the war master Alcar had already prepared a letter.

He says: ‘Within that and that time someone will come and that will be your mother from France (from a previous life of Jozef Rulof, see ‘Jeus of Mother Crisje’ part III). Accept her, no one else.’

Good, I waited.

And after three months someone comes to me, who says: ‘I saw Anthony van Dyck last night, he said: “I am Anthony van Dyck.

Go to Jozef Rulof, and there is something lying there for you.”’

And she goes to me.

Then she says: ‘I must help you, for a while.’

I say: ‘Yes.’

And then I took that letter, I say: ‘Just read that.’

Then she got the dream.

I had the proof.

I say: Yes, you are my mother from there and there and there.

I say, and now I have her ...

Then I thought to myself: now I will be saddled with her of course.

For seven years – that love was awakened – I received her once every week. And then I sat and then I let mama from France sit down; and then we served together.

I had to leave my work lying.

And then on Wednesdays from four o’clock until half past five we went ...

And then we made a nice cup of tea, and then I could start to listen to mama from France.

I think: what did they get up to with me there.

We served that life for seven years.

And when the war came, then she had to move house, then I thought ...

Then I was finally ...

I say: ‘Now I am finally finished with France.’

(Lady in the hall): ‘Was she nice?’

What?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Was she nice, or not?’ (laughter)

But seven years, seven years.

Can you stand it for two years, two months with a human being whom you do not know, just like that, and who keeps coming to visit?

And no, madam, she was not nice. Because she demanded like I don’t know what.

She was no longer tolerant as it were in the end ... because they were her hours.

And we just said nothing.

Then master Alcar says: ‘If I can break you now, André, then I will do it.’

I say: ‘You are very busy, but you will not get me.

We will keep on going.’

And then we cultivated ausdauer (staying power).

Just begin with that, ladies and gentleman.

I had to do my work like that.

Ausdauer.

We were sitting; tea, calm, nothing ...

Well, she sometimes brought a cake.

Talking.

Jozef started to see and Jozef told of André; he told of Jozef, and I told of the journeys in the hereafter and everything and everything and everything.

For seven long years.

And then the war came and then she found it strange that we did not ask for her again after the war.

I say: ‘Now my karma is over.

Now you will stand on your own two feet.’

I walked past her as if she was wind.

Now I have experienced that, and I was faced with that, and with that, and with this, and that and that and that.

I say ...

Master Alcar: ‘Can you no longer bear it?’

He says: ‘No, you will not see those people again either.’

But if you know it, isn’t it wonderful then?

And I can certainly explain to you, madam, miss, lady, that if you come to Scotland or Ireland, or wherever, to Russia, and there and there and there, that you are suddenly standing before a human being whom you do not know, but for whom you feel.

We are not strangers to each other.

There is also a grandfather of mine here too, he is also still a mother of mine.

I have three children sitting here, four.

Yes, they are all children of mine.

Do you see?

But they do not accept it.

Mr De Wit too, aren’t you?

You are still a little boy of mine?

‘Yes’, Mr De Wit says, ‘I want to know.’

I have never sent you from dry land into the ditch.

Is it true or not?

You are older and yet I can say: ‘He is a child of mine.’

I often say to people.

‘And what do you want with those people?’

I say: ‘Yes, I cannot go back and live in that time’, because that is not possible after all.

Because now I can take all the worlds on my shoulders, but I do not have the means.

But there are children walking around here, and from you, and from me in The Hague, and they do not have food.

Sir, take ten guilders there some time.

In a period of five days you will be free.

It is just as well that you do not know anything about reincarnations.

You would have nothing left.

During wartime strange people came to me. He says: ‘Sir, do you not find it strange, I had five hundred guilders in my pocket this morning’, in wartime, ‘I walk out into the street there exactly, and I had lost the money.’

I say: ‘Sir, I know those stories.’

At a quarter to seven I waken.

Master Alcar says: ‘If you now make sure that you are at the corner of that and that street for a quarter to ten’, at my street corner there, ‘you will meet an old woman of eighty years old.

And that is also a mother from that and that time.’

Then we ended up in Finland.

I thought: that is a good one.

He says: ‘Why would I not want to give you that proof?

You have lost something.’

He says: ‘But she needs twenty-five guilders.’

And now you can say, ladies and gentleman: ‘How nice.’

I would have given all of my possessions away for those contacts, because everything which I got in my pocket during wartime, during the war years with my paintings, went out again.

Because then you could give something, then you could give something to the people.

I am standing at a quarter to ten at the corner, just round the corner there from my house, you know where I live.

In the Willemstraat, there round the corner, near that cigar shop, the woman come toddling along on the other side.

I say: ‘Good day, madam.’

‘Good day, sir.’

I walk on, I think: I will not go into that immediately.

(laughter) And I am not yet three metres further, I stand still, she also stands still.

I say: ‘Good day, mother.’

‘Good day, sir.’

It was a nice woman from Schevening.

I say: ‘Just look.’

Then she says: ‘Sir, I already knew it last night, you have twenty-five guilders for me.’

I just did not say anything about Finland, where we lived.

But I could have crushed her to death against my heart.

But then the people will say: ‘You are mad.’

But I had kissed my own mother.

A love of mine from that and that time.

Do you not have that, madam, do you never meet that anywhere?

Then it is your own fault.

But a contact like that, madam, I have thousands to spare for that, if I have them.

And the infinity is like that, and life is like that.

Why would you not have known that man, that Maclé in Scotland?

Perhaps you have been with your mother or your father again on a visit.

Isn’t it nice, madam?

I have the proof.

I have the proof.

And these are not stories, madam, these are sacred events.

So many times I have ...

Master Zelanus says recently in Diligentia to me – and you did not hear that; during the lectures we are often talking-: ‘Do you see that child there of mine?’

I say: ‘Yes.’

‘My child.’

I say: ‘How can it be.’

‘Yes’, he says, ‘they went there and there.’

And in Amsterdam he had seen his father, seen his mother, seen there.

He says: ‘But I will not go into it.’

They often sit in the first row.

He says: ‘There are two sitting here, they are here really often.’

They come, and then he likes to talk to them, hey.

‘He has good questions.’

He says: ‘They should know, that I there and there ... that we were one.

With me: own blood.’

He still sees his blood.

Don’t you like it?

And that for that world, looking back here on earth.

‘But’, he says, ‘she and he and she and she and she all stand for their own life.’

You must make sure now that you get food for yourself.

You cannot support the whole of mankind, because we must make sure that we are founded harmonically in our lives.

That means: you must now make of yourself what you can make of it.

And you cannot go back again.

And then, sir, do you mind, madam, that there is a death and that finally it comes to an end?

Is it wrong?

You do not see them again.

But on the other side you see them.

But we have done something wrong to those people, did you not think then, madam, that they would come to us again and that we would give birth, create them again inwardly, and put nappies on them?

And that we would get a huge slap in our faces as father and mother?

Because then you say: my child.

But that is not your child.

There are no children in space, they are all old souls.

Then the human being says to me: ‘That is an old soul, sir.’

I say: ‘Sir, how old are you yourself?’

In space there is no being old.

Read ‘Masks and Men.’

We are now busy on porcelain, we have made eighty paintings; if I look at them, then my head still spins.

Eighty of them went through me. Not even an hour later master Zelanus says: ‘What will we do?’

I say: ‘Well, what will you do?’

He says: ‘Come, I will make a wonderful scenario of ‘Masks and Men’.’

And I am now busy with that.

The first part is already recorded.

Madam, who has a million for me, then we will bring the world the film ‘Masks and Men’.

If you could see that in a cinema ...

I think that you will see that film ten times.

(A woman in the hall says something.)

What did you say?

I think that master Zelanus will just have that ready in a few days, ten days, a fortnight.

And then we will go to the Loo (the palace of Princess Wilhelmina).

Then I will try to get my two million.

Then my dream will have been a pathetic dream, madam.

You still have wonderful dreams, but if I want to start to dream and it is about the money, then I think and I always dream again about mankind: what could I give mankind with this scenario?

The books of Jeus in a film, ‘Masks and Men’ – I have three scenarios at home – we have ‘The Cycle of the Soul.’

We do not have any money, we have nothing.

Busy in society, but no money.

Ich hab geschreiben, aber ich hab kein Geld bekommen.

(laughter)

I also wrote to our prince.

I say: ‘Receive me for five minutes of your noble time.’

Then I had already made a mistake, because I had high ... What should I really have written?

(laughter) And then he says: ‘No, the prince cannot receive you.’

But it concerns the happiness of mankind, doesn’t it, sir?

If all of us now go and stand at the Groenmarkt, for one million, like that; within half an hour we will all have lost our hands.

No: there you have the mad people of Jozef Rulof.

Why not, give us one million.

We have masses of millionaires in the world, don’t we?

How can we get money, Mr De Wit?

Say, Mr De Wit, do not say to the other people: ‘You do not know ... Oh no, do you not know how we ... false ... how we can imitate them?’ (laughter)

I already tried to get a broadcasting station once, to get between the AVRO and the VPRO: ‘Here speaks the voice of the universe.’

Voice of the universe.

But that, that just eh ...

And then I will do it like that.

But they do not want to have me.

They say: ‘Everyone knows you there.’ They read my books in the whole of the Achterhoek.

But I am now wondering how I can make false money.

(laughter) False money, why not?

Seventy-five guilder notes.

Not seventies, but seventy-fives.

We will continue, madam.

Is that clear to you?

‘A while later I dreamt that I was sitting at a nice stream in the grass.’

I used to sit there too.

(laughter) There you go again.

Did you not all sit next to a stream, rippling like that, you know, which the poets write about: ‘The water flowed rippling along beside me.’?

Have you never sat beside a stream with trout?

So there were not any trout there, were there?

(Lady in the hall): ‘No, Mr Rulof.’

‘A while later I dreamt that I was sitting at a nice stream in the grass.’

Was the stream in the grass, or the grass in the stream?

(laughter)

‘I was sitting at a nice stream in the grass ... ‘ Oh yes. ‘ ... at a nice stream, under a low shady tree.

The grass was velvety and soft, and the seat at that little stream was so indescribably nice, that I never wanted to leave it again.

But a voice from inside said: ‘It is time.’

And then, I lingered, I was chased away from there with a soft push.

I knew that I had to go.

Sighing, I got up from the place and awakened immediately, of course with great regret, because of all the things you will miss.

But for a long time, and this is still the case, I can feel the wonder of the place at that stream, in that beautiful and nice landscape.’

Madam, I long day and night for my little wood.

I am still sitting at my Montferland and I flew through it, and there were no rippling streams, but we sat there in the woods, in the trees.

This is a dream – you dreamt that – you can dream and experience that every day, because you can get that yourself.

Can’t you?

You can build that up yourself, that dream.

In reality.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, but not so nice.

It was extraordinarily beautiful.’

If you ... the silence ...

I do not know, before the war there by the Sportlaan Segbroek (area in The Hague).

And then in the morning we sometimes went for a walk, or in the afternoon, and then you also had those streams there, that stream which ran through there, a little bridge, and then I went and stood there so often.

But if there are no people there and you are sometimes somewhere else, then you feel that you are one with nature.

And then you miss a lot.

Because you will never get that back again, that can only be experienced there from feeling to feeling with nature, nowhere else.

But this is not a dream, which possesses mysticism, spiritual attunement, this is perfectly ordinary experiencing of what you once experienced.

Do you also accept this?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Do you see?

Did you have any more questions about that?

(Lady in the hall): ‘No, thank you.’

Now I have no more letters, so I can point the questioner (the microphone) at the hall.

Do you have anything about anything else?

(To someone in the hall): Yes, sir.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, about the case that I once told you about at that time.’

Oh yes. And what do you want to know about that?

(Gentleman in the hall): 'That concerns a question from a moment ago, about an accident.'

Yes.

‘At that time, it was during the war, I was with my father and my mother ...’

This is a good story, ladies and gentlemen, you should listen.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘ ... then the three of us, my father, my mother and I, fell into the water ...’

Yes, in that darkness, you know, then there was no more light.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘And as a result of that my mother died the next morning.

Yes.

She did not drown.

When she came out of the water, she was still alive.

Yes.

‘Now my question from a moment ago was actually to do with that.

Must someone like that also go through that period of standstill until his earthly life would actually end?’

Exactly.

I said to Mr Van Rossen ...

What a pity that he does not add to it.

Because I will not go into your life just like that, or you must lay it open.

But sir walks with his mother and father, wants to bring them home, but he really took them from dry land into the ditch.

(laughter) There was no more light during the war, there was nothing more, and they walked in the darkness, and mother falls into that.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘All of us.’

Yes, all three of you.

But your father stayed alive?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘My father is still alive.’

And your mother passed on.

That mother just died as a result of a situation in the world and no more than that.

But you have held onto that for years.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

You can just put it aside, because she simply went on time.

And that has nothing more to do with that dying.

And the proof is already there, because she was still alive.

Do you see?

Now she can have had a shock, she could have had pneumonia, or whatever, so she goes through a physical disturbance, now she leaves by means of that.

Another walks under the tram.

Takes the human being ...

Someone says ...

A boy, during my time when I was a chauffeur ...

Someone said: ‘Go quickly to the railway.’

And he drives, he drives, but he does not drive himself, but the man in the back to pieces, because he flew through the front window.

What is that now?

Now you can say something.

Was that nonchalance?

Danger?

We talked about that last week, do you remember?

If something ...

You can actually never surrender to that driver in a taxi, if you have to do with space.

Is that man so sure that he will not have an accident with you?

So you already start to live in uncertainty.

You absolutely step into the life of another and you let things be done to you as you want.

Is that clear?

(Hall): ‘Yes.’

And danger lies in that, because who can tell me that he is a hundred percent harmonically protected with his car?

And now you can already start to speak about suicide. But you do not yet have to do with that, because you do not take part consciously in that suicide, in that death.

But if you go into that consciously, you are also part of that suicide, and you must accept the law for 'the coffin' and the spirit, your personality.

Is that clear?

But just put that aside.

Did you have anything else?

(To someone else in the hall): Sir.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I would like to come back to the lecture from last Sunday.

Yes.

There we talked about the four personalities in the person of Jozef.’

Wonderful.

‘And we talked about Dectar who had the priesthood in the temples and was the winged one.

Yes.

About André, Jeus and Jozef.

Yes.

And if we now take that winged one, Dectar, as a priest, then it is actually inexplicable how he was able to and had to lose his priesthood during all those lives.’

He did lose them!

(Hall): ‘No.’

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Not Dectar.’

What is priesthood?

What is that?

Who longs in you to sit here? Who is that of you?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I myself.’

Those who were born here in The Hague?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Now, probably not.’

There you have it.

That is perhaps also someone from the temple, sir. Because you can think sharply, you ask good questions, you have got a great longing to read those books, to listen to me, here, in this life now.

Sir, did you learn this here in The Hague?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Not yet.’

There you have it now.

That Dectar in me, that is the mysticism, so characteristics in my life of feeling which are open to mysticism.

He already had feeling when we lived ‘beyond the coffin’.

You know the books ‘The Origin of the Universe’ (originally this book was published in three separate parts) and you know how that went.

Then we went to ancient Egypt.

And then ‘Between Life and Death’ originated.

Now we return.

By means of which – I love it that you ask that question, but you are also it yourself – by means of which master Alcar could now begin to build up that André, for this life?

By what means?

Do you know it?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘By means of your subconsciousness ...’

No, by means of Dectar, because he lived as feeling in me, and we knew him as a life and as a priest.

There were still no Great Winged Ones there, I now have that.

And that is sound.

If you read that, and we are rid of that pharaoh, and Venry says: ‘There will come a time ... that is nothing here’, he says.

But you read that in ‘Between Life and Death, didn’t you’?

‘This’, he says, ‘those few people ... We live for ourselves, but you are busy mastering your feeling.

And one day, when you are ready, then you will reach thousands and thousands of people.’

And I have already reached them now.

But the person whom master Alcar built up, was a new one, and that is André, and Jeus and Jozef now have to listen to him.

I stand here in the evening often as Jeus, Jozef, and André.

And I often take over from André, but that changes here all evening.

I often go further, then I am immediately in contact with master Zelanus.

We often played this evening here, that master Zelanus spoke to you; I was out again, because I already went outside of myself, and then master Zelanus was already busy.

Master Alcar stood here one evening, said a few words.

‘Fortunately they did not recognize me’, he says, but you could have felt it from the wisdom.

Isn’t that nice?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, indeed.’

Now you get ...

I say to Mr Van Rossen just now: ‘You are called Nico, aren’t you?

Now, this one, who is now a man, he has to do with that child of the old days.

This personality listens and wants to yearn, but that man, that child of the old days still lives in him.

And would you think that that child is also already conscious?

Do you not fight every day against feelings from the old days which still live in you and which do not wish to be mysticism by any means?

Are there no feelings in you, ladies and gentlemen, which still find it perfectly ordinary, but are not a part of spiritual research by far?

Have all those feelings in you started to yearn, are they hungry?

Who is sitting here listening?

But there is a lot to that.

And all of you are (that).

And in this way, master Alcar says, you start to understand yourself.

And we have to do with your youth.

Do you sometimes not do something which still has attunement to your youth or twenty years ago, when you beat left and right from you?

And what is that ... going to ...

Do you mean that all those characteristics from the olden days, from the time, ten years ago, twenty years ago, that they are already a part of that wanting and that yearning?

And what is that yearning like now?

What does André say?

He hits upon it, he gave Jozef, he gave me ...

Who is that?

I can certainly be part ... I can go around in society.

But, sir, now that is my skill; I can now go out, to a fairground, I am just as mad as you, because I do nothing wrong.

Woe betide, if I was now to do something wrong, I will become mean, or I will no longer be harmonic ...

But I can have a laugh and have fun.

We are not ...

Do you know what? Saints do not exist, do they?

I am not saintly.

No, I know something.

And now I start to act.

I once went to a cinema, sir.

And then André says – you can soon also read that in ‘The Cosmology’ -: ‘Did you like that film?’

Then Jozef says to Jeus: ‘I will go to the film’.

And suddenly the higher comes, so the instrument of the masters shows up and says: ‘Did you really think that, eh?’

He takes over the light in my eyes and he watches that film.

And I come home and I do not know it.

I was therefore sitting above my capacity listening and watching that film, but I had nothing of myself, at least not that Jeus and not that Jozef.

Then André sat, my better self, watching that film, and the rest did not understand a jot about it.

They were not interested at all.

André says: ‘Did you hear the music?’

I think: good heavens, what a lot there is in that.

But I say it, and it is true.

And now we will go and look through society.

You will hear that soon.

Now ...

You will soon get it there in part II, III; you will get Jeus, Jozef, André-Dectar.

And, sir and madam, all of you are that. Did you bring everything so far in your characteristics that all your characteristics are spiritually harmonic?

Are they all here?

‘Pull the other one’, Frederik says, ‘but that is not possible.’

Is that not honest?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, indeed.’

You have two, ten, twenty personalities, they have a name.

You are that in your work, but are you just as spiritually true in your work as our teachings tell us that we have to do, have learned?

Make bits and pieces, do something nice and float and fly.

There will come a time that you will say: ‘I will not burn my fingers.’

Won’t there?

Did you have anything else?

Yes.

Which one of you?

(To someone in the hall): Yes, madam?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Is it a privilege to have to go through life alone in this life?

It seems so to me, because you must also be alone if you pass on and then you will already be used to it.’

Madam, lady ...

(Lady in the hall): ‘Miss.’

No, I do not say miss, this is a lady.

And we are all ladies.

Anyway, madam, to be alone in life ...

Are you alone?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.’

That is not an honour.

And it could be that it ... It has a meaning of course.

Yes, I am also just a big dope, because I do not have anything either.

But the most wonderful thing is: to give birth to children, and especially if you are a mother, you see.

To give birth to children.

But it could be that you no longer need that and that you just come here to have a look.

You still have a task.

You came here of course because you still had something to make good.

And then there are people in life, who had had such an amazingly good time, that they asked me: ‘If that is making good, I want to come back again.’

Because they had everything, they had possessions, they had money, they had everything, but they were alone, always alone.

They made this of it, they sought this, but they remained alone.

That has a meaning, of course.

But the highest for the natural life is: to be married, to be father and mother.

We would already be walking next to creation – you must accept that anyway – if we are not one with that and that and that.

Only fatherhood, motherhood.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, of course, but I know that too.

But it is a matter of the spiritual, I mean, you must make your spiritual construction alone, mustn’t you?

If you are ‘behind the coffin’ later, if you die, you must continue alone anyway, you must build up everything alone, and you must work for it alone yourself.

That is true.

If you were married, then you must still do everything alone.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Precisely.’

I can talk and talk and talk, and I can talk about space ...

The people say: ‘Now, you have it easy’, to my wife, for example.

But I do not need to begin with that, because she must do it herself anyway.

Do you see?

I cannot give her anything. But the books are there.

She certainly gets nothing more than you, because she must do it herself.

Isn’t that just?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, but here a great deal of people build on their companion, on the man or woman to whom they are married.’

That too.

(Lady in the hall): ‘You must let go of that anyway.

So you are not used to it anymore, and you must finally let go of those people again after all.’

You will have to let go of them.

But ...

Look, I will certainly not swap with you, not for all the gold in the world.

Because, madam, if you understand each other in marriage and you can talk to each other and you want to ... each other ...

Look, we have some here, who coo day and night.

Always cooing.

They are wonderful, beautiful couples of one colour, you cannot pay for that happiness.

It is not for sale, but they have it.

But alone, no, I would never ever want to be alone.

That does not mean, madam ... You will certainly not get me marrying again soon.

Because I have all of this world.

And if you also get that world, if you then talk about these things, about that wisdom, and you can expand yourself, then you will get from the masses exactly the same as you get from your companion.

Isn’t that clear?

But you must do it alone.

I cannot give you anything, nothing, nothing, nothing if you do not begin with it.

I am not imagining that I am giving you something, I can only show you the way; but you must begin with it yourself.

Yes, it is fine like that.

Did you want to know more about that?

(Lady in the hall): ‘I do not have an answer yet.’

Do you not have an answer yet?

Then we will go into that again.

What do you absolutely want to get out of that?

(Lady in the hall): ‘I want to get out of this that you must finally always do everything alone.’

You are repeating exactly what I say, and that is a pity.

I say: you are alone in everything.

I give you the example of all the people and of myself.

And now you say to me: ‘It is a pity, because I do not get the answer.’

But this is the answer.

You are for yourself.

One has contact with the other, the woman, the man, or friends, or whatever, but you must do it for yourself alone anyway.

You do that, don’t you?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, so if you are used to doing that alone, then that means, that when you pass on, then at least you do not need to let go of someone.’

And you want to know that now?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, I want to know that.’

You mean: if you are already busy here ...

(Lady in the hall): ‘ ... releasing yourself from everything, which is around you, then that is a big ...’

Then that is ‘behind the coffin’ possession.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Yes, then it is possession.

But what is your life like now?

Now you can ...

You can deal with it, being alone, you deal with it, you experience it, and hundreds of thousands of people.

Now the woman would like to be mother, but it doesn’t work, it doesn’t happen.

There the man is alone.

Fine.

But recently I treated a situation, those people were married.

Now the nostalgia is in the mother, or in the husband.

The husband walks alone, he does not know what to do, walks around, has lost the wife.

Look, he still has to begin with it.

That is what you mean.

He has lost his peace, no longer has any grip.

For the woman, yes ...

It is difficult for the man, because then he must get out of bed himself in order to make tea.

And now it becomes even more difficult and even more difficult, and those are all material matters which you no longer have on the other side.

But in order to ...

And did you think that you could be alone there, in higher states, and decide for yourself?

(Lady in the hall): ‘No, then you are helped.’

There you have it again.

So you cling to that again, praying: ‘Oh, just come for goodness sake, because I thought that I was already prepared, but I notice now: I still have to begin with it.’

And that now means, you have to experience the earth here, experience society, but how do you experience yourself for the spiritual?

And that is new again.

Can you feel?

Because, can we now say again: I can keep going in everything, also when the inner life speaks for space and for the laws of God?

You see, then you will soon need that friend, that master again.

Here it goes, because you are independent.

You have your circle, your task, your work, your food, your drink, then all of that is fine.

But we must earn that spiritual food yonder, that is a law.

And then that law is called ...

Now you say here that you can stand on your own two feet, and you can cope with all of it.

Yes, why?

Because you can buy food here.

You can work for a possession, an existence here.

But if we do not have inner love and are not in harmony, not with thousands of characteristics, for that world – madam, and they are not for sale – how do you wish to experience them under your own power?

Then we drown in ourselves.

Is that not clear?

And then you can say: yes, then I am finished there.

No, madam, I experienced it myself, then you must begin with it there.

And then there will be a mother and a father and a friend or a brother or a sister – there you have it again – from those other lives who will stand before you, and then mum or dad will say: ‘Good day, child, you will not know me, but I will prove it to you.

Just come along.

I am ready. I was just ahead of you, but now we will go further together.’

Then a mother stands next to you again, or perhaps the soul, the core which belongs to your life.

If you find that, madam, then you have everything.

You did not have that.

Do you understand it now?

You see, I want us to come to each other, because it is no good otherwise.

(To the hall): Which one of you?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Mr Rulof, my daughter had gymnastics at school this morning.

And then she entered the gym hall and then she was afraid that she would fall from the rings.

But now it happened to a classmate of hers.

What is that actually?’

It could be own possession of the child and it can be another.

She could have sensed the accident of anther because of her sensitivity, it is possible.

A child with deep feelings, a faraway gaze ... that means: one child can warn the other child about an accident. But that all still remains on earth, see.

You can get that.

You will also sometimes in your life ...

Now and when you were younger ...

When we were playing, I also sometimes said to my friend: ‘Do not do that, do not jump from that cart, because that is much too high, and you will break a leg.’

He did it anyway, and he broke his leg.

But that accident and that state is earthly, has to do with our life.

Can you feel that?

That does not need to have a spiritual meaning.

(To someone in the hall): Sir over there.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Is there a possibility that those lectures from Sunday morning will be written down?

By means of which ... Since several members of the audience want to have them.’

If you give me fifty thousand guilders, Mr Berends, I will have them printed for you in a fortnight.

(The gentleman says something else.)

Yes, paper is paper.

But, no, Mr Berends, you must wait with that. But we will now read aloud (Jozef means reading aloud from the Cosmology by means of master Zelanus), because this is a great gift for you, because you learn a great deal from this.

Because you go back to what you already got on Sunday.

Because André was beating Jozef, and Jeus.

Are you also so serious with yourself?

Is that inner voice inside you so busy beating, that you say: I could no longer cope with giving my wife another snarl?

(Mr Berends): ‘No, we are not yet that far.’

Yes, but you must begin with that.

(Mr Berends): ‘Yes, I want to begin with that precisely.’

Yes, but did you also have a bit of a beating on Sunday?

Did you get a beating?

Was there anything in it?

Was there anything in it?

(Mr Berends): ‘Yes, there was even a great deal in it.’

Thank you.

(Mr Berends): ‘Something for everyone.’

Good.

And was it so difficult to understand?

(Mr Berends): ‘It was not difficult at all to understand.’

Is a beating so difficult to understand?

But you do not yet begin with that.

Beat yourself seriously, sir, do you do that?

Madam, if you start to hit yourself ...

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Consciously.’

... consciously hitting, how can you then still answer a human being wrongly?

How can you then still be cross and angry at a human being?

At those sweet children, how can you be angry at them?

If a shining beauty is walking next to you, day and night, and you are served like I don’t know what, how can you snarl at her then?

Madam, isn’t it true?

But work out for yourself, ladies and gentlemen, whether we are responsible every moment with the feeling which talks about the laws of God and space.

Isn’t it true, Mr Berends?

We have it ...

What are we now when we are in the Divine All?

Do you know what I will say then?

Do you know what ...

Here a question is sometimes asked and then I surreptitiously take it back again into the earthly muck, into the mud.

Do you know, Mr Berends, in the beginning we were, we used to be very busy with the planets and stars and atmospheres, do you remember?

(Mr Berends): ‘Yes, yes.’

And then I took you back into your own atmosphere, and then I let you sit there.

(laughter) And then he says ...

What did you say?

(Mr Berends): ‘It didn’t matter, precisely because of that I had to go through and experience.’

But you have not been in the Divine All again recently.

(Mr Berends): ‘Now, I don’t know.’

No, you are there, but you are still a good bit away. And by means of that we learned, Mr Berends.

And now the masters want that.

Because that same Divine All, that same macrocosmos, believe it, it lives here, in a word.

And then is ...

What is your first name?

(People in the hall talk at the same time)

(Mr Berends): ‘Yes.’

Gerrit?

(Mr Berends): ‘Yes, that is correct.’

What did you say?

(Mr Berends and tuning in from the hall): ‘Yes, that is correct.’

Bernard?

No, I will give you something nice (laughter), and then you will have to agree that it is true.

But that is because that youngster, that child of the old days, that mischief still lives in us.

And is that now also, Mr Berends, with regard to everything, a hundred percent harmonic?

Now, then beat yourself for once.

And let the ladies and gentlemen, not begin today with cooing, but with real beating.

Let us bow our heads.

That was in that lecture (lecture 40 on 11-11-1951) on Sunday morning.

And that was only just the beginning, sir.

Because when we have soon experienced the Divine All, the light, the life, motherhood, God, God, God, God, and we then return to earth, how will you then begin with your life?

What will we do?

Well?

(Mr Berends): ‘Begin with ourselves, destroy what is not good.’

And say something to another, then you will get one like that back.

Talk to yourself.

You say that a human being does not want to listen.

But work out how difficult it is to destroy yourself first.

That is the most difficult thing there is.

Why?

You do not want anything, you cannot lose anything of yours, because that is elastic.

If you are busy with yourself, to throw a characteristic down there which we still have to conquer, then that flops back into you like rubber and then you will hear ‘bang’.

And then do you think that you have lost something? No, sir, then that blow has attracted something and then you are also something else.

But it is even worse.

Yes.

Go and be an instrument for the Other Side.

If I had not started as Jeus and Jozef with that destruction, with that crackling in myself, with that real fight, did you think then, sir, that I would have received those books?

(Mr Berends): ‘No.’

I earned it with my blood.

And you must also do that.

You see, madam, they must all begin with that.

(Lady in the hall): ‘All life.’

Yes, madam, yes, lady. And they have now begun with it.

Ladies and gentlemen, I hope that I was able to give you something this evening.

See you next week.

Sunday, in eight days' time we will only be in Diligentia.

I thank you for your interest.

(There is clapping.)