Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.

I will begin with: ‘What was the intention of God to divide himself, if everything goes back to the Divine All anyway?’

From who is that?

Did you read my books, sir?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Not completely.’

What was the meaning of God to divide himself?

You are a division of God.

But when the All-Source ...

You must not first take and see God.

But if the All-Source had not began with division, with fatherhood and motherhood, then there would still be emptiness for that matter.

God – we will say God – filled those spaces by means of this.

There was nothing then, only power, life.

And by means of this planetary systems emerged, universes, in which we live.

You are in a house, but you float every moment with a speed of that many kilometres through space.

If you feel that, then you will get feeling, then you will get consciousness and you will start to feel God, that means, your own divinity.

(To a few people who just come in): Come in, ladies.

And by means of this a universe emerged, in which life, as God, is present, divine sparks, we are divine sparks.

We also have a divine personality, but that must still awaken.

We are still just people and still live on earth, while there are still thousands of universes to be experienced.

And when we enter the Divine All, we have become conscious human gods.

Do you understand this?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, but you say, then we return to God again, so then we are at the starting point again.’

No, then we are at the point where we experience and represent the ultimate goal.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Is that not the same thing as the beginning?’

No, of course not. Because then you were only power, then you were only invisible life, and now you are a human God.

Christ and millions of other people already live there.

The people from a hundred million years ago now live in the Divine All.

And we are still busy on earth.

We are not yet so old, even if we have experienced millions of ages and known and had a hundred million lives.

We are still not old, because we are only just on earth.

We conquer this universe when we have experienced the planets, and, you see it, this is a planet.

By means of fatherhood and motherhood, rebirth, reincarnation we come back and we get a new body, a higher stage, and by means of that we start to expand.

Clear?

Anything else, sir?

Do other people have a question about this?

Because this is worthwhile.

(Jozef continues to read.) ‘I suspect that we cannot understand that ...’ Isn’t it simple? ‘ ... cannot understand that, as long as we have not reached the seventh sphere.’

The seventh sphere, sir, is still nothing; even if you ... the first and the tenth sphere – there are not ten spheres – as independences as it were ...

Isn’t it true?

Although every sphere is divided up again into other states – they are grades – until you have conquered a sphere, a space and a world.

But when you are in the seventh sphere, sir, then you still do not know anything. Then you know a lot, then you are cosmically conscious here.

And then you go further again, you become an embryo again, and now you are attracted by another universe, the masters call that the fourth cosmic grade.

And that planetary system – we talked about that once in the evening – is amazing.

If you experience the lectures which will now come in Diligentia ...

We will now begin with the fatherhood and motherhood of the universe for the human being.

The whole of this universe is only fatherhood and motherhood.

Perfectly simple, it lies completely open.

If the astronomers knew that, and could definitely accept that the moon as mother, as All-Mother for this space divided itself and because of that gave life to billions, billions, billions of sparks, originated from God ...

We already experienced that, didn’t we, people?

And now that comes for the universe, fatherhood and motherhood, and then we go straight through to the fourth cosmic grade, the fifth, the sixth; and the seventh cosmic grade is the divine All-Stage, but now the conscious divine All-Stage.

The All-Stage of before creation is called: unconscious stage.

Perfectly simple.

Isn’t it, mother?

Just perfectly simple?

Isn’t it simple?

(To someone in the hall): What did you see?

Sir, did you have anything else?

She was sitting having a good stare.

Has no one else a question about this?

It is the Divine All!

Have we already finished talking now?

What a pity, isn’t it?

I could talk about it for another hundred thousand years.

We have here: ‘During the last lecture in Diligentia ...’ That is also going to the Divine Universe. ‘ ...then it was explained by master Alcar, among other people, that he ...’ That was master Zelanus. ‘ ... that he had seen the laws.’

They also see the laws.

You can also see them here.

‘The answer to the question, what are these laws, is not clear to me.

Can you explain whether there is a difference between laws and powers, and if so, what the difference is?

Are these laws and powers independent entities, consciousness?

And if so, what do they consist of?

What is their substance?

What are they exactly?

And what is their final origin?’

From who is that?

Sir?

Sir, the theosophy, the theosophist ...

Sir, do you not know what a law is?

Does theosophy ...

(To the hall): No, seriously.

What does theosophy say?

I want to know that.

What does theosophy give you about that?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I will not answer that, because I want to know your answer.’

No. Oh, are you afraid that you fall short?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No.’

Sir, you are a law.

A wonderful law even.

You are also power and you are soul and you are spirit and you are life and you are a personality, but above that and above all a law, a divine law.

Did you know that?

So then we come to one point.

And the whole of nature is one law.

But now we have independences as a law.

And now you can begin.

Now, say something for a change. I also want to hear what Blavatsky says.

I always throw wisdom about and now you do not give me anything back.

Now, say something.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I would ... the difference between powers and laws ...’

Oh, now ...

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘They are customs.’

Are they customs?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘They are customs, which originated by ...

Everything is harmony, so everything which is not harmonic, must be brought to harmony.’

Yes, but in what? Where does the disharmony live in creation?

In the whole of creation ... there is just one disharmony.

There are more, of course, but you know that.

(To the hall): No, that is precisely interesting, ladies and gentlemen, because we can learn from this.

Because that is still the possibility; then we get comparisons and then we reach depths.

This is why I am asking about this.

You can talk about this for six weeks.

So nothing more for me?

Is it not a pity?

Here lie ...

This question, sir, connects me, and the masters, with a thousand books.

And now we know nothing else.

Isn’t it a pity?

You will get the evening.

I often make something of it.

But you can have much nicer evenings if you think and ask for yourself.

I find this interesting.

Look, you say: ‘During the last lecture ...

Can you explain to me whether there is a difference between laws and powers?’

Of course there is a difference.

What difference?

In the first place, you are a law yourself.

The night is a law.

As what?

As what?

The day is a law.

As what?

What is the day?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Not as independence.’

Yes, of course.

(Gentleman in the hall says something else.)

No, the day is an independence, the night is an independence.

The night as world is a unit, is a personality, is an independence.

A tree, a flower, a dog, a cat, a human being, rain and wind: independences, powers; also powers, but also independences and a personality.

The rain is a separate personality.

For what?

For growth, blossom.

The wind, in order to fuel it; by means of wind, by means of storm we get rain.

So the fundamental powers which go to that independence, are subdivided into wind, storm, power, rain.

That is birth.

For the sun that is creating.

If there was no more sun, then we would all be stone dead within a year.

No, not happy; no, stone dead.

So power.

But also an independence and a law.

The night is a law and the day is a law: they are divine laws.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, but now master Zelanus explained in Diligentia: he had seen those laws.’

Yes, but this is why I say: You can do that too.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘ ... start to see in the quickening.’

If you look at those people, you will see a few hundred laws.

All laws.

And what?

Fatherhood, motherhood, light, life ...

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, so in the quickening alone. Not as an entity, not as a personality.’

But, my dear, are they not personalities?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘That is the human being in the quickening of those laws.

Fatherhood and motherhood, isn’t it true, they are also laws.’

Yes.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Isn’t it true, but we cannot see them.

They are ...’

Good heavens, I can absorb them here just like that.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘They are abstract.’

What did you say?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘They are abstract.’

Are they abstract people?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No.’

No, but I am talking about those people.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘The characteristics of the people.’

Are they abstract?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Sir, if I am not careful, I will lose my wallet.

Do you find that abstract?

(laughter)

Yes, they do not steal here.

But if they give me a slap, or they do this to me, do you find that abstract?

That personality shows itself completely.

Am I abstract, now that I am talking, feeling, thinking?

Is that abstraction?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, what you express is.

The personality itself is not.

But what you express, that is abstract.

That is not visible.’

I am reading, I am doing something.

That is a concrete thing, isn’t it?

But that is day consciousness.

Oh well, now I will pass over into abstraction.

(Jozef lets a silence fall.)

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Those are your thoughts about this.’

Yes, do you not hear them?

Do you not hear them?

That is abstraction.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Well ...’

But now we are starting to ...

So that is still giving birth, I am now giving birth.

Do you know what I will say now?

And now I will create.

That is for the personality. If the word was felt inwardly, those are feelings, then we turn them into material, words, and that is creating.

And that is giving birth for the night; a law.

And for the day the sun; also a law.

The night is motherhood and daylight is fatherhood.

So a law as father, as mother, as light, as life, as personality, as power, all power.

Has that been answered now?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, but what is the ... (inaudible) ... now exactly?’

Do you not know what night is?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No, what power is exactly, the substance of power.’

The substance of power, do you not know that?

Do you know that?

What does Blavatsky say about that?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘That is the manifestation, the first manifestation of the divine All, isn’t it ...’

Yes, yes, but what is that?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘It is inconceivable for our human understanding.

So if we have to hypothetically imagine the powers, isn’t it true, then we grasp far too high, that goes above our understanding.’

Yes, at least if you are talking about the All-Source.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Of course, that is the origin.’

Yes, but that All-Source ... Then you will no longer work it out, will you?

We just cannot get that, can we?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No, precisely for that reason.’

Yes, sir, wait a moment, you say ‘precisely for that reason’, but, sir, that lives in the human being, in a little animal, in a little plant.

You must listen carefully ...

Can’t you deal with that?

(To the hall): Can you understand that, ladies and gentlemen?

What does Blavatsky say about that?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘What I am saying here, that ...’

Can she ...

Can that not be materialized, that feeling?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘But the quickening is visible.’

I can now manifest here, from this place, I can manifest the All-Source.

I can do that.

You can do that too.

But I can do that here.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, the quickening.

But can you show it?’

Yes, of course.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, how should I say that, as an entity, as a personality?’

Yes, you surely do not want me to draw that real All-Source to the earth.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Precisely, it is that, isn’t it, when people say: I have seen the laws, we accept that ... Not the quickening of that. That was the effect of ...’

Oh, you mean, master Zelanus has seen that law and he can take it to the earth?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, whether he can take it along is question number two. It concerns: he saw them, he says.’

They are it.

You do not need to see them.

This is why I go into that ‘are’.

You say: ‘They see.’

This is why I say: laws are here.

A dog, a cat, nature, everything, every material thing is a divine law.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, in the quickening.

Theosophy declares: it is inexplicable.’

Oh, nonsense.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

You see, sir, inexplicable.

(Gentleman continues to talk through it.) What was the All-Source, the All-Mother?

Can you not feel that?

Is that inexplicable?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘That is unthinkable.’

Oh really, then we are a lot further. I am pleased to hear it.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘ ... still humanly.’

What did you say?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘You still think humanly.’

Me?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘The divine consciousness, being able to think divinely, that is not possible.’

Is that not possible?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No, that is not possible.’

My dear man, I do divine tasks every day in that human state.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, sir, as a human being, still as a human being, but not as God.’

What a situation.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Hundred percent ...’

So you want to see me here as God?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No, that is exactly what I am saying, if you were God, then you would know God for a hundred percent.

But you must first be God for a hundred percent, then you are God himself.’

Yes, we have already been talking about that for seven years, that we are not that.

You are not listening.

I say to that gentleman: ‘You are a deity in a human state.

Did that not mean anything to you?

You always come to difficulties.

You think far, but you miss out parts.

May I say it?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, I am going to the cosmos.’

You are going to the cosmos. But the cosmos lies here.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘In his quickening.’

(To the hall): I cannot talk to him.

Is that true or not?

I bring you back to the earth as clear as crystal, and then there is something else, a hole, and then ...

But we must continue.

I said: I can explain to you that I experience the All-Source here, and every human being.

And theosophy says no.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, the same thing.’

Exactly the same thing.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, but this is why we still do not know God.’

Then you still do not know God.

That is that abstraction in that theosophy.

We know God from A to Z.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, in His quickening.’

We know God in His power, in His spirit, as His personality, as His light, as His life, as His fatherhood, as His motherhood.

I saw Him.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘With our human understanding, human intellect; we cannot come any further, because there are limits.’

Yes, for you.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘We are not gods.’

Oh, but we are just big dopes.

We are.

But we received contact with people who have seen those laws.

No, they are spiritually conscious, cosmically conscious, and now they know God.

They only know that they do not yet possess the fourth cosmic grade.

I have been there.

I saw the Divine All.

I saw God as He is conscious in the Divine All.

I was in the Divine All three times.

Can you accept that?

You do not believe it of course.

No, that is going too far.

But I have the books, sir.

I have the books.

I made the journeys.

The books have been recorded.

I do not get that honour.

But there has still not been anyone there, there has not been a theosophist in the Divine All.

No, sir, no Buddha, no Mohammed.

I saw and spoke to them all on Golgotha, when we came back.

They were standing there.

I also spoke to Blavatsky; on Golgotha, in the spiritual world I stood before her.

And then we talked about this.

I am doing her work, do you know that?

I am the continuation of Blavatsky.

Did you know that?

But theosophy does not like me.

I am the continuation of all mystical laws in the world.

I received that honour. That is in ‘The Cosmology’, we experienced that.

If you had the books, you would have to accept it; then you will have to.

Every faculty of the earth must accept it, because they must spread those teachings and that wisdom.

I cannot bring any half cosmos or any wrong cosmos to the earth.

I have ...

Blavatsky, Pythagoras, from ancient Egypt, Rudolf Steiner, Ramakrishna, all the mystics who hold out a hand, we represent them here this evening and in the books.

I am the continuation of Ramakrishna, of Blavatsky and of all the mystical masters in the world.

And you do not need to accept that, but I am telling it to you.

And I will prove that to you, if you can sit here for a thousand years.

Because I am never at a loss for words.

But I would like to tell you something nice.

I will give you the picture, because you say: ‘That cannot be explained.’

Ladies and gentlemen, listen carefully, then you can see, then you can experience how the All-Source began.

The All-Mother, the All-Father, we do not know them, they say. We do not know God.

But we can connect you with the All-Mother and the All-Father.

We.

When the All-Mother started to think – that was the All-Mother; that was not God, you know that, don’t you? – then she began to give birth and to think.

There was intellect in space.

And I also have that.

And people also have that.

If father and mother start to long, if the mother starts to long for a child, then she is astrally, spiritually, spatially, All-Sourcefully precisely tuned into the same power and the law, as when the All-Mother started to think about giving birth and about creations.

If the mother asks for a child, the mother here on earth, and every animal, experiences the same law as power and feeling for giving birth and creation; here on earth, sir.

So the All-Source lives here in the human being.

Don’t you like that?

Is that not wonderfully simple?

This is why I bring it like that from the All-Source to the human being.

This is why I say: Look, they are all people.

Sir, I saw that, I experienced that.

I experienced everything.

I do not talk from books.

But then you can check me with your wisdom.

We do not have lies here.

You can say: ‘I do not accept it.’

Great, that is up to you.

I am never angry about that.

Only, it is stopping you.

But Blavatsky did not experience that.

When I stood before her on Golgotha, then we came ... Then I got a name. Master Zelanus once spoke about that. And then the other people who were here had to ...

You see, this is why it is so terribly sad.

Krishnamurti got the chance, didn’t he?

Krishnamurti is a conscious of feeling being, no more than that, nothing more.

From space?

When Ron Landell in America came to him, he said: ‘Krishna, give me the truth, you must know it.’

‘I do not know.’

‘Are you serious?’

Did you read that book by Ron Landell? You should read it sometime.

Master Alcar said: ‘You will read that.’

Then I read it.

I think: I will blow all that from my hand.

Then master Alcar said: ‘I thank you.’

Then Ron Landell came, and then Krishna said: ‘Do you know it?’

Annie Besant is just a stubborn person.

Which ones do you have from theosophy?

Annie Besant? Blavatsky? Who are you actually talking about?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘The original one, that is Blavatsky.’

They are divided as far as eternity now.

By what means, do you also know that?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘The interesting part of this conversation is, that the East and that Blavatsky ...’

Do you see?

Annie Besant should have come to me when she thought: Christ lives in Krishnamurti.

Then she should have come to me, then I could have saved from that fall.

I could have ... her ...

Now, just say it?

(To someone in the hall): What did you say?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Then you could have guarded her from that.’

I nodded off completely there. Then you can no longer think.

Then you no longer think in the material.

I could have guarded her from that fall.

Just imagine, that is a master, who ... the teachings there ...?

Theosophy is so awe-inspiringly wonderful.

Has a lot of frills.

And Annie Besant makes a mess of the teachings there, because she thinks that Christ will come there on earth in a human being, in Krishnamurti.

God, God, God, my dear God.

Those in the spheres; what poverty.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, she in herself, I will say ... There are a lot of theosophists at the moment.’

But, my dear sir, the theosophical world got the shock of their lives when that happened.

She may not, and should not, and cannot make that mistake.

Krishnamurti had to go to Oxford, he had to study.

In America I fought against the people.

Then they wrote a book.

I threw the book here in a corner.

Christ had been there in the East, and Christ was sitting there in the garden, and then he says: ‘Hey, Jesus, would you like to tell something about the bible?’ And then Jesus just starts to talk.

They make a surrogate of Christ.

That man, that megalomaniac, who talks about Christ like that.

We fight – that is not part of that, is it, but what should you say otherwise – as devils for the Christ, in order to show Him immaculate and pure, because we know Him.

And a madman like that comes and goes to the East and lets Christ there ...

Jesus Christ is sitting there in a garden and says: ‘Come ...’ He also had a boy like that with him. ‘Come, we must also go to a few sick people.’

It seems as if it is a hawker.

And those people ...

I say: ‘Sir ...’

‘Oh, that is the most wonderful thing which we have.’

I say: ‘Oh yes?

Sir, one thing, you admire me ...’

I was the greatest fellow in America.

They wanted to advertise with me, because they had nothing.

It was me.

The papers came to Jozef Rulof, they had nothing themselves.

All nonsense.

My blood ran away there, because of the deception.

Then I got that book in my hands, ‘The masters of the East.’

Ron Landell followed them, the philosophers.

Hahahaha, not in order to laugh at those people, but they got an opportunity there.

Krishnamurti was standing there in the East, then he came, and he would talk – I will come back to that Christ story – and then Annie Besant says: ‘We have been waiting for that for two thousand years.

He is there.’

Then Krishnamurti said: ‘I will be strict, but just.’

‘Oh oh oh’, Annie Besant says.

She saw the Christ in the human being.

Christ lived again in Krishnamurti.

God, oh, oh, I laughed loudly at her from Holland.

In America exactly the same sheet and suit.

I say: ‘Sir, if I go to a school, can that school help me if the Other Side, the masters have to work?’

‘No, oh God, preserve me, Jozef.’

I said: ‘I was not even allowed to read a book.’

‘Wonderful.’

‘I have twenty of them.

But you do not have that.’

My books are not in America, sir.

America has the mediums, the Indians, they are there.

But they do not have that of me.

This is why I had to go to America, I discovered it.

You should read ‘Spiritual Gifts’.

There are just a few, one in a hundred million people ... There is not one living, sir, who was direct, real.

Deception deception deception, deception deception deception.

I think: God, how is it possible.

Master Zelanus says: ‘We know the people, we know exactly where the mediums are living.’

They made of Christ that Christ had to go to that school and that school and that school, and then the divine Messiah was released on the human being.

Then He was ready for Jerusalem.

That Oriental, that journalist made that of it.

And the East creates and adores and flies with wisdom; sir, they are no longer as far as we are.

We can ...

What I say there this evening, you cannot even find that in the East.

They say ...

Yes, they are powerful as far as the universe.

There are some, who think really far.

I went with master Alcar to China. There was one in the mountains, of a hundred and eight years old.

And then I asked, when we came back from Golgotha, I asked Master Alcar: ‘Where does the highest conscious being in the world live now?’

That is possible, isn’t it, if you make journeys?

In China there was also one, who knows a lot.

He says: ‘Look, there.’

Then we entered a temple, in the mountains, and there was an old Chinaman sitting there, very old, shrivelled up, and he had the highest consciousness.

Master Alcar says: ‘Look for yourself how far his consciousness goes.’

And then I saw his aura and then I knew it.

He was just in the first harmonic sphere.

He was harmony in everything.

A wonderful soul, for himself.

He was thinking, thinking, thinking.

But those are laws.

I could immediately have told Annie Besant: ‘Haha, what are you preparing?

Oh, oh oh oh, Krishnamurti ...’

Then Ron Landell came.

‘Don't you know it?

If you do not tell me ...’

Ron Landell is a Hungarian, but he lives in England.

I also wrote to him.

I also wrote to him: ‘Come to The Hague, then I will tell you it.

You fly over the world, after Krishnamurti. And also other philosophical people. But come to the Esdoornstraat, then I will tell you it.’

He did not have time.

He wanted to write his book.

I say: ‘Sir, give me the honour one day.

Sit down one day and ask me a hundred million questions.

I know it.’

But I do not get that temple and not those millions from Krishnamurti.

He had to go to the university, and the university can only take you from dry land into the ditch.

Damnation.

Did you ever see a mastership come in this area, sir, from a university?

Did you ever see a child being born for this work in a city?

That is for this world ‘noch nicht da gewesen.’

That all comes from the jungle, or from the clay.

I also come from the jungle, from the Achterhoek, where we come from we talk dialect.

Do you see?

But it has no meaning.

But if I was born in the city, then it would also have been gone.

Krishnamurti had to go to the university, Cambridge or Oxford, where was he?

Did they spoil him?

No, sir, he had to learn to talk.

Oh oh, he had to learn to talk.

When I came to The Hague, I could only talk dialect.

He had to learn to talk, he had to learn to think.

And is that possible at the university?

Did Annie Besant not know that?

Is that the support? Are those the foundations?

And after Krishnamurti, after Blavatsky there were no more masters.

And then I came back to Golgotha with master Alcar and master Zelanus, then we had been in the Divine All, in that All-Source, and then we saw the human being as a deity, I saw Christ.

And then I said to master Alcar: ‘Where are we going?’

I had to prepare myself again on the earth. Master Alcar says: ‘There is just one point on the earth where you can do that, and that is Golgotha.’

And then I went and lay down there, like Judas – have you read ‘The Peoples of the Earth’? – then I buried myself, I went and sat there.

And on the second journey again.

And on the third journey, then they were all there, as far as Mohammed and Buddha, Rudolf Steiner, Blavatsky, Mary Baker-Eddy, and every human being, every soul who gave the mystical space power, consciousness and feeling were on Golgotha, and they had to see and accept someone.

They asked me something.

Oh oh oh, they asked me something.

I say: ‘Yes, it is me.’

And then I was introduced.

And then master Alcar said something.

But there were also masters from the fifth, the sixth and the seven sphere there, and they agreed with that.

And that was for them.

Blavatsky, Rudolf Steiner.

You sometimes say: I am attacking.

No, sir, you do not know that, but we serve one university, one life, one personality: Christ.

You see, I am the continuation, sir, of theosophy.

If only they came, then we would have the most wonderful temple here in Holland within two years.

Tell that to my brothers one day.

Ask them sometime whether we can give twenty, thirty lectures for the professors and doctors; then we will get that unity here in the Netherlands, we Dutch children with a fierce consciousness, and then we will build a temple in honour of Christ who sounds, not like a clock, but like the universe.

Sir, I have the power in my hands.

I can only talk, I can only give the wisdom, but I do not have five cents.

Pfuh.

I am as poor as a church mouse.

You would like that.

But it is this, do you see?

It is this.

I challenge them, the theosophists.

We gave a lecture about the fall of Annie Besant and the power of Annie Besant, just opposite here.

A lecture in Diligentia, in 1946, about Krishnamurti.

The whole theosophical world could murder Jozef Rulof.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, but that is a side branch, Mr Rulof.’

Yes, now admit, it is all theosophy too, anyway.

If we talk about spiritualists, then I am not talking about Haarlem or Amsterdam, then I am talking about one spiritualism.

A side branch; now think spatially.

What is theosophy, is theosophy, isn’t it?

If you now talk about the Catholic church, then we have no more departments, then we have unity.

Then they challenged me, and master Zelanus, to give a lecture of forty-five minutes for the theosophists, and then I would speak for those and those ladies.

I say: ‘Master Zelanus, a nice letter for you.’

He immediately climbed into the pen, into the typewriter. He says: ‘Do you want to take the wonderful theosophy back to the street gutters of the city in forty-five minutes?

May I request you to give me ten evenings of two hours?

And then you can talk.’

I heard nothing more, sir.

They wanted to do it in forty-five minutes.

Can you treat theosophy in forty-five minutes?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘But you can treat the basic principles.’

Oh, sir, that is not possible.

The basic principles ...

If I want to represent the University of Christ here in forty-five minutes, then I must begin: lectures, lectures, lectures.

The origin of the Divine All, the All-Source, the All-Mother, the All-Father, the All-Light, which we began with in Diligentia, from the moon to the universe, for the universe. And then we start to follow the human being as embryonic life back to God. And then the soul, then the personality, the animal kingdom and Mother Nature.

Can you do that in forty-five minutes?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘ ... you can do the main points.’

No, sir, I must explain the laws to them, the subsequent laws, otherwise there will be gaps. Because I grasp those people in that, the masters say.

Because if they ... there in forty-five minutes ...

Can you also treat the Catholic faith in forty-five minutes?

Then you rape that faith, because there is a great deal of good in it.

(The gentleman in the hall says something else.)

You cannot do that in forty-five minutes.

You cannot analyse any religion, any faith in forty-five minutes, never mind the universe.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘You cannot do that in ten lectures either, then you will also be short.’

Something can be made of it, in ten lectures.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, making something of it, precisely. But what can be ...’

Well, we are not talking about that again.

It now remains with those forty-five minutes and those ten lectures.

You are splitting hairs.

‘You cannot do that in ten lectures either.’

Then you can do a great deal, but not this.

You are forgetting that core once more.

You are going off at a tangent.

That core ... Forty-five minutes, what is that?

Is it not pathetic?

I did not hear anything more.

Master Zelanus did not either.

If only it was true.

Why I am actually getting so worked up?

(Jozef continues to read.) ‘Are these laws and powers independent entities ...’

What did you say there?

Entities.

I like to read something.

‘ ... entities, consciousness?’

Are these people not conscious now?

They are not conscious.

Is no one in the world conscious?

These people are, or the human being in society ...

Is a Catholic, sir, a Protestant, are they unconscious people?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No, all conscious to a certain degree.’

For their state.

But conscious in their state.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Of course.’

But for what, sir, are they divinely conscious?

For what?

Imagine where we are dashing to.

For what are that Catholic and a Protestant, the Jew, the Mohammedan, the Buddhist divinely conscious? Why are those people divinely conscious? In what?

Divinely conscious.

We have everything here in our hands.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, everything which they mastered of truth, they are divinely conscious in that.’

No, sir. No, sir.

Which one of you knows it?

(Hall): ‘Fatherhood and motherhood.’

Fatherhood and motherhood.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘That is also the truth.’

No, sir, it only concerns ... (Gentleman in the hall talks through it.) No, sir, not truth; in the truth we gossip that sparks fly.

In the truth we have nothing.

We have built up many truths.

But the Catholic church still has very little.

If the Catholic church says: ‘Love everything which lives’, the Catholic church is divinely conscious in love, if you do it.

Heavens are not for sale of course.

There is no damnation.

Very unconscious, the most awful thing there is.

But fatherhood and motherhood, that is a divine incarnation, and the Catholic, the Protestant, the Mohammedan, the child in the jungle is divinely conscious in that, in his giving birth and creation.

But in nothing else.

And you do know in what else?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘In the reincarnation.’

In the rebirth.

Those are three things – those are the lectures – and those are divine cores.

We do not have that in our hands.

You think that you are being born ...

You think that you attract a child by yourself, but that is not possible.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Precisely, that is what we also talked about recently, about that evil will.

Do you remember?

That evil will?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Then I said: evil does not exist, we do not have that in our hands ...’

No, sir, you should have continued to think in that border, because now you are still standing still. Now you also want to be proved right from then, but you will not be proved right.

(laughter) But you should have thought it through.

You are thinking towards me.

You do not need to think of me.

But you must think towards that space.

You really want me to agree with you, that proves that you are not letting go of that narrow-mindedness.

You do not let go of what they taught you, sir.

I saw and experienced laws here.

I am not repeating anything.

You repeat what they taught you there.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No, sir, that is not true.’

Do you also have that from yourself?

Do you also disembody?

Do you disembody?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, sir.’

Do you disembody?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Not disembodying ...’

What did you say?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I experience it inwardly.’

That is possible, I will not take that away from you.

But what you want to be right about ...

(Gentleman in the hall says something else; there is coughing through it.)

No, sir, I explained it to you and you come back to it again.

No, sir, it is this: in the divine core ... in the jungle the human being experiences a divine law: giving birth, creation and reincarnation.

There is no more to it.

And you also know where the disharmony lives, sir.

The disharmony.

Are they independences? Are they powers?

Sir, there is just one thing, I said. That just lives in one state. That was the first word which we spoke about.

The independent destruction lives in one state, and we are divinely harmonic in all that other part, and that is the giving birth and creating.

But now we will begin, what we learn here on earth, isn’t it true, and we are a chaos in that.

Isn’t it clear?

But the reincarnation is there, and we do not have that in our hands.

You say – look, sir is going back again -: ‘If you want to be born, then you want that yourself.’

No, that is a divine law.

You have nothing to do with it.

Then we talked about the own will ...

No, that is the will of God which is busy here.

And is that still not strong enough?

If you are born, if a child is born, there is a divine law materialized for the human being, for the reincarnation.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Mr Rulof, how is it possible that a mother does not want to receive a child, while the divine law, the divine will says: that child must be born.

How can a mother refuse a child?’

And you do not understand that?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I do not understand that.’

Oh, so.

Suddenly you are far away from the earth, in space, and you do not feel a perfectly ordinary thing?

Because the human being is now in disharmony with motherhood.

Why are there so many nuns ... I was talking about that, priests ...

Then you also wrote: that is karma that he becomes a priest. And you still keep that?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

What a pity.

So I am busy here in my own stupid karma.

(They talk through each other.

Jozef says something through it): This is also karma.

This is also karma.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Be quiet for a moment, isn’t it true, the divine will, isn’t it true, is represented again by the disharmony of the people, the karma.’

I am busy here, and I have the books and I have the paintings. And this afternoon they gave me a revelation, an infallible revelation.

I came from Amsterdam on Tuesday evening, I was telling the people something about football, and then I had to go into my cabin there, for the lecture. And then Jongchi came to me.

‘Good day, good day, André’, he always says.

And then he says: ‘Just look.’

And I looked, I say: ‘Oh, how beautiful that is.’

‘We will make that this morning.’

And then I told it to Mr Van Straaten and to even more people.

I say: ‘A vision.’

‘Oh, if that is possible, if that is possible.’

‘Sir, that will be there this afternoon.’

My will?

I cannot do it.

The vision is infallibly on it, on a porcelain plate.

Faith, love, life, fatherhood, motherhood.

Oh oh oh, a Van Dyck.

From me?

Divine will?

My will?

Oh oh oh, I have nothing to do with it.

So the human being has no will?

No, the human being has will.

A mother who does not want a child, can absolutely carry through that will.

Sir, I am already saying it anyway, it is a divine law, to be father and mother, and we will never get that in our hands.

When someone wants to be a priest, then he disengages himself for the revelation: to be father, creation, giving birth.

If we all, I said, were priests and nuns, then mankind would die out in only a few years. Then we would be sixty years old and then it would be finished.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Then we would be stronger than the divine will; that is not possible.’

But why are we not priests then, sir? Why are you not one and why am I not one?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Because you ...’

Because I do not want it.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, your thinking is also based at the moment on what you built up in previous lives.’

Yes, but then we go back again.

It concerns that will.

And that will is reproduction.

That mother who does not want a child, that is an animal-like unconscious soul.

And she is not even that, sir, because an animal never refuses.

That mother has no maternal, human feeling of a mother, that must now awaken.

But it was there before, it was already there.

Would you think, if a mother here in this white race (see article ‘There are no races’ on rulof.org) who does not want to be a mother, that she was not it in the jungle, on that long journey to the white race.

A hundred million times!

But by what means is the day consciousness now spoiled?

That maternal feeling has been spoiled.

Do you know why?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, by means of incidental aspects.’

By means of what?

(Gentleman in the hall): 'By means of various incidental aspects.'

No, sir, there is just one state, there is just one state.

You must not say, if a mother does not want a child, that she is immediately just not maternal.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No, I am saying precisely that, the feeling lies in her, but they are the aspects, the circumstances ...’

No, sir, not aspects; laws again, laws.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, laws, which ... karmically also responsible again ...’

Not to make karmic, sir, fatherhood and motherhood, and homosexuality, release from fatherhood, going from fatherhood to motherhood.

Is that clear?

(Hall): ‘Yes.’

Then the mother still has no feeling to be a mother. Then she does not want a child, because she does not yet have the feeling.

She must first master that feeling. That is it. No more.

Isn’t it clear?

(Hall): ‘Yes.’

There is just one possibility.

You went from motherhood and you become a man.

How can I still be maternal, if I become a man?

And now I enter the first grade.

You must not immediately say that it is not a mother.

We cannot say that, because we know the laws.

Look, and that is a pity now, always a pity.

I explain such nice things to that man, and then he has his own thinking; and you cannot ever go deeper.

It becomes a big mishmash.

A pity.

And I will be proved right.

(The man in the hall says something again.)

Yes, from him again.

You are the only one again, do you see?

Sir, you cannot bow your head.

Am I right, ladies and gentlemen, yes or no?

(Hall): ‘Yes.’

And you alone are not right again.

Why can you not bow?

It is only a question of destroying that cursed will.

I will ... that one day ...

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Even if I could earn a million with that, I do not say against my feeling that you are right.

I cannot do that.’

A pity, a pity, you are not becoming an adept.

I go into your questions deeply.

I keep analysing them according to nature, according to the birth, according to fatherhood, motherhood, space, and then you put forward something else; yes, then I can stop once more.

You do not think through in my way, you put your own before it.

(To the hall): Is that true?

(Hall): ‘Yes.’

I will stop, you know.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I will engage my own intellect.’

Yes.

I am certainly not nasty, I do not want to be, I cannot be.

But I will tell you honestly, the pitiful thing is: the nice part goes away like that.

I like to fight, but, in order to explain that law.

And then you start to ... again ...

You have it in your own thoughts.

If you were to take that of yourself one day, sir, then you would come into conflict with a thousand things.

I experience my laws, yes, and you do not believe that of course.

And you say: ‘Yes.

Why would I accept that from you if I feel it myself?’

Yes.

When the masters visited me for the first time, when I was two years old, and later ... I was two years old, then I already crawled out of it and I played with children, spiritual children.

And Crisje was sitting there.

Then she says: ‘My God, something is happening there.’

And I was sleeping there on the ground and I disembodied.

Later he says to me: ‘Every word of mine is a law.

Do you wish to accept my words?’

I quickly said: ‘Gladly’, because I had become something.

Then I was still in the clay. But then he had already made a chauffeur out of me, because I learned to be a chauffeur on a chair.

And the person who can do that, he is a genius.

Don’t you think?

I learned to drive on a chair, not in a car.

Because then I went away from that chair ...

My brother is sitting here, just let him tell it.

He says: ‘He cannot stand the city, he must go home.’

I was sitting in that little room. ‘Bbbrrrrrr.’

You will soon read that in part III of ‘Jeus of mother Crisje.’

Sir, that is a revelation.

That was master Alcar.

He already wanted to absorb, elevate me by means of that chair and that car. You will get a hundred million pieces of proof there.

And then he said afterwards, when everything was over: ‘Here you have your youth.

Come, we will go back to your youth.’

Look.

Is that true?

Gosh.

Have you read ‘Jeus I’?

Have you read that about that money, sir, that infallible finding of that money in that wood?

Don’t you find that skilful?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, that is indeed ...’

We would be able to convince the whole world with that. But the world is gone, gone, gone.

And I experienced that same infallible thing in everything.

I do not accept this here just like that; I must see it, and I also see it.

And my word is law.

But for you I am not a law.

You will take yourself into consideration in order to accept that crazy Jozef Rulof.

But you will make it ...

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I am not saying that ...’

What did you say?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I am not saying that you are crazy ...’

I am crazy, of course I am crazy, you may just say it, I don’t mind.

But if you cannot begin ...

Look, those people say: ‘Yes.’

They start to think and remember what they learned from me.

And that became ripe, that became space, that became cosmology.

Now they can talk: There is no death, and there is not this, there is not that, not this, not that or the other ...

You can start to talk about a hundred thousand things with my people.

You will never be proved right anyway.

If you are right, they will say it immediately.

I must bow, you too.

If you are talking about theosophy, you will immediately be proved right.

But now you go into your own feeling again.

You must first begin one day – if I may give you advice – to ask yourself whether your thinking has reality, or whether that can be found again.

Not abstract, but concrete, with the creation and everything.

We first go through the creation, we first go through the hereafter, hells, heavens, reincarnation, fatherhood and motherhood, those are the essential laws.

And now you can talk, talk, talk, for the cosmos, the macrocosmos. We have ‘The Origin of the Universe’, etc.

But well, but well ...

(Jozef continues to read.) ‘Are there laws and powers independent entities?’ Yes, of course, consciousness and love, life, feeling, fatherhood, motherhood.

‘And if so, what do they consist of?’

Out of bones, blood, nerves, glandular system, mucous membrane, legs, brains and corns.

(laughter)

An entity exists ...

And then he still does not have any feeling of power, and then he can still think, and he has a hump, and he looks cross-eyed, and is blind, he is all kinds of things.

But it is a law.

And if we start to talk about all those things again, also about those corns, then I can tell you exactly where those things come from.

But a chiropodist also knows that.

What did you say?

‘I thought that you said something’, Buziau said.

Yes.

(Jozef continues to read.) ‘And what are they exactly?

And what is their ultimate origin?’

The All-Mother, the All-Life, the All-Soul, the All-Spirit, everything everything.

Are you satisfied?

No.

Satisfied?

Will I get a two or a three?

Will I get five cents or not?

(Gentleman in the hall says something else.)

Ladies and gentlemen, do you have anything else to ask about this?

Then I have dealt with my letters.

Now you can ask as many questions as you want.

Just begin.

Which one of you?

We are there now.

Do you see, sir?

What will we talk about?

(It remains silent.) Silence ...

(To someone in the hall): Sir?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I would like to know from you, the following: when we pass over to the fourth grade, then we enter a body again.

Yes.

Is this body spiritual?

We live spiritually, I know that, but what is this body like?’

Have you read ‘A View into the Hereafter’?

Then it must be clear to you that you cannot give birth to any children on the other side.

Is that true?

On the other side, in the astral world you cannot give birth to any children.

So that fourth cosmic grade is material.

And the people are more rarefied, more beautiful, perfect, no faults, no disharmony, no injustice, they are one with the space, possess gifts, sir ...

For example on the second planet ...

Now you get seven planets.

Not three, but seven transitions; to six transitions, and then you get the mother planet.

If you have experienced the first, sir, then you say to your darling, your soul who lives next to you: ‘Come, we will levitate ourselves and we will just have a look at the other planet.’

Then you make a journey on your own ‘wings’.

I made that journey, sir.

Are you not laughing?

We had to go to the fourth cosmic grade. We came across a human being before we arrived there.

We therefore went through the mental areas. Master Alcar says: ‘Can you hear me?

Can you hear me?

I am one with you.

Life of Mother Earth, I know you, you continue, you start to connect with the fourth cosmic grade, do you hear me, I will soon show myself to you.’

And then we heard that voice, and then a being floated towards us.

And I looked into those eyes, and at that head, and that hair, that figure, not at that coat, but at that beautiful garment, and that was a man.

He says: ‘May I bring you to the fourth cosmic grade, master Alcar?’, and then he called the name.

And then we descended, he levitated, we floated; you also do that, with the power of your spirit on the other side, they are the ‘wings’.

A demon can also do that, sir, don’t you like that?

A devil can also float.

Sir, the whole world, the demons ...

Hitler was possessed by demons.

And those demons come from that world just like that, that astral world, and make a million journeys. But they infallibly go to Adolf Hitler and pump something into him.

hey said: ‘Adolf, you must do that.’

A demon can infallibly commit a murder, and yet he possesses the ‘wings’. Because those demons possess space just as well as light.

But they do not see everything.

So we get there, on the fourth cosmic grade ...

Sir, if a priest in Tibet, a lama priest is capable of – and that is an occult law, we could also do that in Egypt – levitating himself, and in only five ... That book is also right about that, those chaps can do that, they levitate themselves and move a hundred kilometres in only five minutes. Why would the fourth cosmic grade, the human being who is conscious there, not be able to levitate himself?

And that is the ‘wing kingdom’ for the human being.

Then you really get the spiritual and the material vitality and the levitation.

You move forward.

And they are material people.

If you see a human being in the first sphere, sir, that is so really beautiful; from the first sphere.

You must now see the second, the third, the fourth, the fifth sphere, the sixth sphere, the seventh sphere.

A sovereign of love from the seventh sphere, sir ... You can no longer analyse those people. But I saw them. That is my highest master, master Cesarino, Damascus, the Half Moon, Ubronus; they are the highest masters which we have.

They all follow this, they follow me, they also follow this nonsense of Thursday evening in the ‘Ken U Zelve’ building, because it has to do with them.

If I was to say one wrong thing, they would hit me with one look into the deepest ground of the earth.

Do you believe that?

They would suddenly finish me tomorrow, if I was to speak nonsense.

If a possibility was to come here and I was to rape the earth, the macrocosmos, then they would beat me out of balance; I believe, I would be gone within five minutes.

(The sound technician): ‘Two minutes.’

They cannot tolerate that anyway.

Did you think that those masters in this century, after Christ, could still bring madness and nonsense to the earth?

Sir, the fourth cosmic grade, ask me questions about that soon, then I will give you a view of the future, which you first experience perhaps in ten million years.

I can show you yourself, what you will be like in ten million years.

(The sound technician): ‘We do not have any light there, sir.’

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No, but it has been nearly an hour anyway.’

Oh.

(Jozef continues again.) Then I will give you the pictures, then I will give you a wonderful beautiful, natural, cosmic, divine explanation, how perfectly simple that evolution of the human being and the richness of the human being become and will be there.

Blavatsky was not there either and no Krishnamurti, and no theosophist was on the fourth cosmic grade, because they have still never spoke about that.

What is motherhood, fatherhood, birth, reincarnation like there?

What are the temples like there?

What are you doing there?

How do you die there?

How do you live there?

There is no longer any food and drink needed.

You live there from the divine wine, divine life juices, mothers and fathers, you absorb that, and you no longer eat, you no longer drink, you no longer work, but you are power and quickening, by means of your thinking and feeling.

Is that not nicely put.

This is how far we are.

INTERVAL

Ladies and gentlemen, we will begin with new questions.

I have here: ‘All mentors from the spheres have particular names.

Where do they get those names?

Or who gave them those names?’

Sir, where is ...

When do you get a name?

(Different people in the hall): ‘At the birth.’

You got a name here from your father and your mother.

But for space you also get a name.

And where are those first feelings for your name born on the other side?

Can you sense that?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Unfortunately not.’

You do not.

I do not believe that anyone is capable of knowing it.

Master Alcar ...

(To someone in the hall): Yes?

(Lady in the hall): ‘When the human being comes to the other side, we are all different; but where the human being is attuned to, for example, one person possesses more love, by means of those qualities, those good ones, the human being gets the name.

Master Zelanus received it by means of love.’

Do you know what master Zelanus means?

That means: inhabitant of heaven.

And he has still not earned his cosmic name.

Look, if you say: if we are love, then we represent ... then you can only just be called sphere, but those are millions of people.

But here they are talking about: why a master Ubronus ...

There is someone ...

One of the masters is called Half Moon, and mill, millions of people call him that.

He is known as the Half Moon, and there is just one of them.

(Lady in the hall): ‘But they are still the masters who have done a lot.’

They are masters ...

If you are busy for yourself, that is own development, then you will never get a name from the cosmos.

But you will finally get it.

And if you enter the fourth sphere, and you are there, then you will really get a spiritual core there, that means: you are core as a human being, but from the space your name starts to build itself up.

Throughout your lives – you are already busy with that – you are busy building up your name.

And that corresponds to a certain extent with the people here, if they give someone those pet names, and they say: ‘Yes, I call her little dove.’

And that was an old mother.

And she could coo just like a dove.

‘Because when she started to tell a story, then she did this with her head’, her daughter says, ‘and then we called her little dove.’

Because her actions and states and everything, her thinking and feeling and speaking, that always happened with that cooing; this is why the family called her little dove.

But you are busy here.

You go to the other side, you will perhaps come back, or not back, but you continue.

And in the first sphere you have no name, or in the second, still not in the third; in the fourth it will probably come, if you have done something.

For what?

There are millions of lives which still do not have a name. But they have no ...

If you hear a name from a master, then it always and eternally refers to the earth, what they did on earth.

Because of this the Half Moon is called Half Moon.

Ubronus, that has to do with the Greek systems, with the philosophical systems again, that is someone from the sixth sphere and higher.

Master Alcar built up his name; is life and love, Alcar.

Art, life, love, that came from the space.

Rubens. All those masters did something to that name, by means of which their art speaks.

And now something starts to build up from space, and gradually, by means of their thinking and feeling, they get to see their spatial name, by means of their personality.

But millions of people do not have any.

Have their divine ... and then they are a grade of life.

Soon then you will certainly not need to talk about Mientje and Piet and Gerrit.

You can still do that in the first sphere: ‘Oh, that Gerrit.’

But I believe that that oh oh has gone to a certain extent.

Because we come there: ‘How are you, my brother?’

You do not need to ask ‘How are you?’, because we know how they are.

‘Where is your path going, where are you going, my brother?’

Yes, therer we feel a bit differently about each other.

And then you can say: ‘That was my wife.’

And you certainly no longer need to say: ‘That is a wifie’, and ‘that is a bloke’, because they are gods, human gods.

That ‘bloke’ and that ‘wifie’ and all that coarse talk and all that earthly thinking, and that ‘little Hendrik’, and ‘that is my love’, and ‘that is mine’, and ‘this is mine’, that all goes away.

You stand before a divine spark there and it has eyes, light, love, a personality, that is father and mother, I give birth to that, and it gave birth to me, that is mine, and I belong to it, but I also belong to millions of other people, that same thing; we are one.

And now we represent one name together.

But you did something here on earth ...

In a hundred million years the earth can still live; and the human being cannot master the name which I now master in this little life.

I got my name.

I already earned it.

And that refers purely to the earth.

‘There is not one more who can get it’, master Alcar says.

‘You will get sent your name today, André.’

And that was at the moment that I spoke to Wayti.

I think: My God, my God, how beautiful that is.

There is no one on earth, there you have it again, who has this work.

There are more people, there is theosophy, there are Rosicrucians, Buddhists, Mohammedans, but I am this alone.

There is no second adept of the masters on earth in this grade.

I had to accept that.

If I had not accepted it, then I would already have beaten myself into that corner.

And because of the knowledge we continue.

So: ‘I do not accept it’, well, then I am at a standstill.

‘You have to’, master Alcar says.

The space is the kingdom of God, this space.

Isn’t it?

And if you want to serve the kingdom, then you are a princess of that space, you as a mother.

I am the prince of the space – they call me that there – the cosmically aware.

That is by means of ‘The Origin of the Universe’ and ‘The Cosmology’ ...

In the war, during those five years of hunger, I just earned that.

Because I have the books; I was able to make the journeys.

There was not one.

‘No one more will come’, I said to someone in the interval, ‘no one more over the heads ... Certainly not from me. But over the heads of the masters, no one can go over them.’

Who wants to go over them?

No one.

This wisdom, these books are printed for the whole of mankind, they will be everywhere soon.

Then the masters will say: ‘Our word is law. Sit down.’

And then you will hear by means of the direct voice equipment exactly the same thing as what you get here this evening and what you read there in the books.

And then the universities must accept that, because it comes from the University, which is the highest, is the divine, Christ.

Do you not find that very simple, that they are there?

And now you get a name.

So everything which has to do with the University of Christ in any way, gets and builds on a spatial personality and then gets a name.

Is that nice, Mr Otterloo?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Simple.’

Both simple and just.

If you are busy with yourself very, very much for that University and you serve, then you are busy here giving yourself a name – of course by means of that task – a personality.

And because of that giving something is formed, you represent something, and that gets a name and it is sent by means of the space.

One morning, you are floating there, or you do something, you think ... You are always thinking, because you represent power, life, light, space, fatherhood, motherhood.

When you have left this universe, then you represent all the powers and forces of and for this universe, and then you stand with both feet in the first sphere, and then you represent this space and all the stars and planets, the beginning and the end of this universe, about which the academics say there is no end, because they do not know any progress and any growing universe.

They know growing universe, but not so far and so deep, because they do not know that.

Is it worthwhile?

So no one gives you that name, you get it of your own accord, because you earn that name.

(Jozef continues to read.) ‘Do we continue to be called that to all eternity?’

For the earth, yes.

But on the Other Side there are mill, mill, mill, billions of princes and princesses of the space.

Kings and queens in the spirit, in love.

There you see majesties of the earth who have never had a crown on their head on earth.

But I prefer them.

They have nothing more to do with injustice, they went through giving birth and motherhood.

A farmer of the land is soon a king of the space. And then he is no longer called Pietje.

But he no longer adds water to the milk.

(Jozef continues to read.) ‘For life after death it is not necessary, is it, that people have names?’

No, sir, that is not necessary, people sense from the aura there who or what people are.

People see from the human being what he is like and because of this the human being represents the spark of God to a human spiritual attunement, space, feeling.

If I see you soon and I just look at your garment, then I will know exactly what I can and may ask you.

On the other side in the first sphere you see exactly from the garment, from the curls in the hair, how deep and how conscious that human being is.

But you do not need to see that from another human being, you know that from the sphere too.

If you are in the first sphere, then the masters only release you from your earthly wrong thinking.

At the same time they lay new foundations, and then they release you and then the master says: ‘Do you want me?

You can now go to the moon under your own power, because I have’, now it comes, ‘I have taught you to be one with Mother Nature.’

And then you get the same wisdom.

If you are one, then everything starts to talk to you.

If you now want to experience the embryo, then that embryo immediately takes you to the first stage on the moon.

And then you get contact with the macro-material cosmos.

But for the first thousand years you still need a guide like that.

And then you also want to have a guide like that next to you – it can be a mother, or a man – and then you look into divine, spiritual human eyes.

Lovely, isn’t it?

(Someone in the hall): ‘It certainly is.’

Well, you would almost begin to weep about that, don’t you think?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Yes, yes, yes.

Yes, but we do not do it.

People sense it from the aura, don’t they?

(Jozef continue to read.) ‘Perhaps it is stupid what I now ask, but I know for sure that many of us feel this question arising in us.

What is wind?

Where does he come from?’

Is wind he?

(Someone in the hall calls): ‘Yes.’

Is that a creating power?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Wind is male.’

Is the dictionary right about that, for the cosmos?

If you start to analyse the wind cosmically, is the wind male or female then?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I presume male.’

‘I presume.’

Do you not know for certain?

You can know.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘He has a driving power.’

(Lady in the hall): ‘Then it is female.’

If it is driving power, is it female?

But wind is male.

And why?

What is wind?

Then you must come from a university in order to explain, what is wind?

Which academic has this?

Is that a geologist?

A geologist, can he explain it?

Is that the study of a geologist?

(People are talking through each other.)

A physician.

I come from ‘s-Heerenberg, ladies and gentlemen, do not blame me.

What is wind?

But I know what wind is.

(Someone in the hall says something.)

Do you know it too?

What is wind?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘That is the sum of the powers between cold and heat.

So, at a certain place, there is heat, at another place there is cold, and both of them come together at a certain moment and then you get a turbulence, the cold air which drops and the warm air which goes over it, and then you get a current.

So as there is more difference in temperature, there is more wind; increased or stopped because of additional in the space.’

He is right.

Now you can say: ‘You are just talking nonsense.’

But now, now we go a bit deeper: where did that originate?

Because of cold and heat.

Two different poles of power.

They are powers.

That is power energy.

That is heat, cold.

Is that also motherhood?

Cold is giving birth and creation at the same time.

But if you want to go deeper, then the cold is ...

The wind, the real wind which we experience here ...

Because in the summer you no longer feel the foundations of the cold. Then you reach the climatological attunement. But now the wind gets a personal character, and that is East, West, North, South.

And now you get the points of the compass, and those points of the compass connect you with the poles.

And really, sir, that is the explanation, but the very first only, that is: cold and heat collide, do you feel?

But now you should look, by what means?

The North Pole comes to the South and now you get quickening of that power, but that is still not wind.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, but that is the basis.’

That is the basis, no, the wind which now experiences different stages and then you can follow it completely, as the haze stage in the universe; you can now follow that, because now you get East-West, North-South.

And before that that quickening, that cold and that heat, are mixed, you get weakening, and they become vibrations, that is power, and that is radiance.

Wind is only macrocosmic ... No, you can ... that ... Yes, macrocosmic radiance, you could say. But wind originated by means of North and South, by means of heat and cold, by means of an evolution process; because this is both the giving birth and the creating, which North and South begins and reaches unity.

And you start to feel that radiance as wind, when that which went South, has gone East, and back again to the North, and back again to the South, and then you get to see condensings in that space, like the haze stage is for the macrocosmos, and which became clouds and then material.

Because when the wind blows, then it is a material conscious power, then it is creation.

But it comes – physics recorded this, and this is also very simple – because the different climatological states as powers, and laws again, come together and bring about a radiance.

I shall now tell you something else.

And now that wind gets a special character.

A wind has a character, people now speak of South-West, North-West, North, don’t they, there you have it once more.

Am I right?

South-West, East-Westerly wind, you see, then the West is in between him, he is dirty, if he comes from there.

In November, when it is autumn, when that cold comes, then the wind comes, then heat comes, then growth comes, then an elemental power and a law come, and that reaches reaction and radiance, that is the North-Easterly wind, that severe cold North-Easterly wind, that is the North and the East and the West and the South.

Sir, if those four ...

What is a thunderhead? What is a hurricane? What is a thunderbolt, what is that thing called?

Do you also know that?

People see them here in Scheveningen ... I saw that, when I was in Scheveningen at the garage, and then it came over the sea – and then Borculo was gone completely, do you know? – and I saw it there ...

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Typhoon.’

What did you say?

A typhoon.

(Lady in the hall): ‘No, a cyclone.’

A typhoon and a cyclone.

That is a thing like that.

Do you see?

Then Our Lord is muttering.

When it used to start to thunder in the county where we lived, oh people, then we had to get out of bed, and just pray, just pray, just pray, didn’t we?

And then I said: ‘Will it be long now?’

And then Jan was sitting there looking cross-eyed and then I looked at Crisje, and I said: ‘Yes, we will not come out of it, that will take two hours.’

And then finally: boohoo ...

What is that?

That is heat.

That is heat.

Now I will make it very simple: but where do you find the heat of the cosmos, when it thunders, back in a human or an animal-like or a natural state, as far as the smallest insect?

Where do you find that again?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Hot temper.’

If you ...?

(Lady in the hall): ‘ ... are hot-tempered.’

You would like that, madam.

Then you are like that yourself.

That is not a law of nature.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Fever?’

No, that is illness.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Illness?

Fever?’

Yes.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Illness?’

Fever is illness, yes.

That is an aura of illness.

That comes to the cosmos to a certain extent.

No, by means of rotting, if the living organ starts to die. Because this, a thunderstorm, is the dying off of power which run counter to each other; they attract, and then the dying process comes, and then you hear a clap.

And that is also in all life.

And then it only has a faint odour.

And now you hear a clap.

That can all be seen again. They are cosmic laws.

(Gentleman in the hall says something.)

What did you say?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Then you die.’

Yes, of course, isn’t it wonderful?

You can see all of that again.

Now, now we know what wind is, sir.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘It is perhaps even much easier to understand, in order to know what wind is; then you must imagine that, when there was no difference in temperature on the earth, there was no wind either.

Then there was ultimately no rain either.’

Sir, you are right. On the fourth cosmic grade there is no rain, no wind, no thunder, no night anymore either.

Do you not find that incompatible?

On the fourth cosmic grade there is no longer any night, any thunder, any wind, any rain, any illnesses, any cancer, any tuberculosis.

We live there in the spiritual material perfection.

We are then in the first sphere.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘That is very logical.’

Yes, logical. But another cannot accept that yet.

We go to the All-Seeing, to the Omniscience, we go to never-sleeping-again.

We no longer need sleep.

There are no more illnesses.

We will never sleep again.

There is never any more night on the fourth cosmic grade.

Because we become the being-eternally-awake.

That is God.

God is always awake, isn’t He? God never sleeps, does He?

And our deity in us still sleeps now?

Our deity in us never sleeps, ladies and gentlemen.

Does it?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I am almost beginning to doubt it.’ (laughter)

Our divine core is eternally awake, working, loving, is in unity with the Divine All, but we do not know it ourselves.

And now we must – you must think how perfectly simple again – now we must awaken all of that of that divine Omniscience in us.

And he also does that.

He is busy materializing, spiritualizing his Omniscience.

Isn’t that true?

That is possible, that is possible, that is possible.

Because the first people who began to think, were people like Socrates.

Weren’t they?

What do you feel, madam?

Socrates said at the market in Athens – I was next to him, I was sitting there nodding when he said that -: ‘You are pleased, you are happy, but what is that?

Can you tell me that?’

‘Haha’, then they laughed at him.

If you say: ‘I love’, you love.

Why are you so crazy?

‘I love.’

‘My girl has ran away.’

What kind of sorrow is that?

What is sorrow?

If you want to experience cosmology, you must first know, ladies: when may we grieve?

When do you love?

When is there a question of loss?

I no longer have any sorrow, any more pain, any more hatred, nothing more, I no longer know what loss is, I know longer know what injustice is, I have nothing to do with that.

I do not know what sorrow, loss is, and all those things by means of which the people lose their precious inner self.

I do not know what that is.

But you must know ...

But how many millions of people do not have any sorrow?

Do not feel beaten, are sad?

What is sadness?

(Lady in the hall says something.)

No, madam, that is not egoism.

Sadness is unconsciousness.

The God in us is not sad.

The God in us has no sorrow.

The God in us has no pain.

‘Yes, you can pull the other one’, they say.

‘You should just have a good doze of gastroenteritis’, then you will have pain, material pain.

Fine.

But we are talking about being beaten spiritually.

The deity in us cannot be beaten.

I have no loss in love, I have no loss in hatred. Just check the dictionary, you should look – I also did that -: what do I still have of all of that, when I come across those words?

Can I do that?

If you soon want to know who you are, then get the dictionary tomorrow and then begin with the ape: am I an ape?

An ape?

No, I am not.

And then just look where the human being ...

One has discovered ... Which are for we people ...

And then you should follow that and be honest with each other; and especially if you are busy together, then you can have a nice talk.

Just make sure, if you are alone, that you have a lot of cigarettes with you or something else, because you will lose that, because it is a difficult matter.

How much justice do I have?

What?

Ugh.

Now just think, for five years.

In five years we will continue again.

Love of fellow man ...

(Someone says something.)

What did you say?

Faith, of faith ... I have nothing to do with that, I do not want to have any more of that; I want to know.

Now you can know.

And now we will continue.

Jealousy?

Jealousy, what is that, madam, do you know what that is?

There are people, who are jealous, and that breaks every foundation for the divine spark. Because the God in us cannot be jealous, who says: ‘Love everything which lives and you will have Me.’

Jealous, Hahaha, don’t make me laugh.

A woman is jealous of a man.

If I see that ...

I say: ‘Then take him.’

What good is jealousy to me, sir?

That is not space, is it?

Do you know what that is?

That is conscious insanity, psychopathy.

If you are jealous and you hate, haha, or you begrudge a human being something ... even worse, if I had had all those thousands of things in me, just something of that, then Master Alcar would have said: ‘Say, now just hurry back to your devil, where you belong.

With me you must love what lives.

With me you must be just.

With me you must ...’

Jealousy, he does not even talk about that.

We are not jealous.

Jealous?

I wished I could help the whole world.

Jealousy, of what?

Of money perhaps?

A house?

Haha, you do not have to give me a crown, because I do not want it.

I do want to be a minister, a judge.

Give me the highest which I can experience here on earth, and I will say: ‘No, no.

Just take another.’

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Minister of Finance.’

Yes, I like that, Minister of Finance.

(laughter)

Then I can give mankind currant loaf with mocha every morning.

(laughter) Then I can say to the people: ‘Children, enjoy yourselves today and come and tell me this evening how you enjoyed yourselves.’

God is a beautiful human being.

Because you see those people.

I was still at the garage – yes, I watch out of all things – there is a man sitting there and he says: ‘Oh, I enjoyed my food.’

I say: ‘What?’

Then he says: ‘Chicken soup. A half chicken.’

Yes, sir had his own chickens.

But there is a poor garage hand sitting there, an orphan, they had picked him up from the street.

I was gone, and then I came back from a trip.

I say: ‘Is that our new garage hand?’

I say: ‘So, what is your name?’

‘Karel.’

I say: ‘Oh.’

But that one boss ... There were four of us – cars were sold – the four of us like that, and he was eating the chicken soup.

He was enjoying ...

I saw that boy going pale, because he never got chicken soup. Because he had to provide for himself. I suddenly say: ‘What does a chicken cost?

I say: 'I never get chicken soup at home', I say, 'if your wife was to make a nice soup for me.

A whole chicken, what will that cost me?

My wife cannot do that.’

Then he says: ‘Do you mean it?

Gosh, my wife, can cook, and my wife ...’

Well, a chicken of your own, two fifty; that was in 1925.

I say: ‘Fine, I will get chicken soup tomorrow.

Fine, then we will eat well.’

He arrives the following morning with a pot: ‘Look, still warm, collected quickly with the car.’

I say: ‘Fine.’

He says: ‘Now, begin.’

I say: ‘Karel, sit down.’

Karel: ‘Me, sir?’

I say: ‘You sit down.’

I say: ‘Eat.’

And then I started to look at those lips, those fat lips.

I say: ‘Do you see it now, he was starving.

If you have eaten nice chicken, you must not tell another that.

If you tell it, then you must ask whether there are any more who eat chicken soup.’

And Karel had soup.

Karel was already weeping.

I say: ‘Sir, here is your two fifty.

It is poor, but earned.’

I say: ‘He must also make sure that he gets chickens.

But you must not tell that, sir, to a human being who is hungry.’

Then I looked, then there were people there laughing.

I say: ‘Are you laughing?’

We beam there for a moment, then it was laughing.

Suddenly, a flash.

Then master Alcar was not nearly busy.

But he never came to the garage with: ‘I have had nice chicken soup.’

I say: ‘Oh yes, sir?

A father lives there with six children, sir, he cannot buy it.

Just give a few chickens to him, or keep quiet.

Just reach harmony with the thinking.

Do not boast, sir, you are a boaster, you really do not take the light from another’s eyes, but from his stomach, or you bring his stomach into disharmony.’

Well, Karel ate well.

And I enjoyed myself.

I was sitting enjoying myself.

Nice.

But a wallop; that was a wallop, it was one-nothing.

What are we actually talking about this evening?

(Hall): ‘The chickens.’

About the chickens.

We were talking about the wind.

(laughter) We were talking about the wind.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Well, the trunk of the typhoon.’

What did you say?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Well, the trunk of the typhoon.’

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘From wind to the chicken.’

Oh yes, we are still talking about the typhoon, it was also in that chicken.

But a typhoon, sir, is, that in a central system, in the seventh grade of those powers and powers and powers, the beanpole – that is just like a beanpole, isn’t it? – that source just comes back to one core.

You have read a lot about nature; and what does this core, a typhoon, have attunement to?

(Gentleman says something.)

Yes, if I tell you it, then you will also know.

Shall I help you?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Do you not know it?

(Gentleman in the hall says something.)

What?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘On the water?’

On the splitting of the atom.

Isn’t it simple?

That power of a typhoon, thunder too, is splitting of hazes, clouds, water; but has soul, has life, has spirit, has a personality.

If the clouds come together – you must imagine what happens there – and one cloud is darker, fiercer, more loaded, then you experience seven grades of splitting, fatherhood, motherhood; and that comes together, and then that bursts apart and then you get to see a splitting of the atom, and that is thunder.

But now that piles up in the cosmos and then you get a circle like that, you see those funnels sometimes, and that is just like a cell, a small space, which that space adapts to, attracts.

I once gave you an explanation, Mr Van Straaten, and that is right for this.

Master Zelanus did it in Diligentia.

Why does that come to one source, a small space, and then suddenly that gets a growth and then that begins to erupt over the earth?

I saw one in Hollywood, in Florida. They keep having hurricanes there, almost every year, and then the ocean flies, goes over the houses.

You have seen it sometime in the papers, haven’t you?

When I was there, then there had just been one.

Then you have it at one place, the heating of one state, that is the pure South, the East.

So that heat, at such power, starts to work. But that has already been busy for months and months and months on end.

And now you get a funnel-like state, and that can be seen and experienced and felt and followed if you know the splitting of the universe.

And that is the same power.

Master Zelanus explained it then: motherhood contracted and that became the moon; and fatherhood, so the luminous power of the cosmos, that contracted and became just one sun.

Later the other suns came.

But in the beginning of the creation it was one sun.

So that whole space condensed itself into a small climax, as wide and as big as the sun is.

Can you feel that?

And that same feeling and attunement in power is now in a typhoon like that.

That is also a restricting, constructive, fleeing power, and then it will begin.

A splitting of the atom.

And that then goes through that space and spreads, and when that has been finished roaming ...

That is finishing roaming, that is the dying off of that power, but that can pick up speed for a while, and last two, three days, and four days.

And what that thing goes around, you will feel, that is a tear.

And do you know why that thing can remove a house just like that?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, because a backwash emerges because of the turbulence.’

Also that.

But because that ...

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘In the point of the turbulence you get the vacuum, and everything is sucked into the vacuum.’

Suction.

And that suction is astral.

And what is now the biggest, the greatest power, ladies and gentlemen? Then you will understand Einstein a bit and then you will know where they are heading. What is the greatest power?

How is it possible to unleash such a tremendous space because of a little atom like that, splitting of an atom?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, by means of a grade of the vacuum.’

No, sir.

Because people release the spirit and the life of the thing.

Yes, spiritually.

The splitting of an atom takes place spiritually.

Materially then it heats away.

But to unleash the spirit and the life; and that is the tremendous working, and that is also a vacuum.

So a typhoon, that is just still material.

But, woe betide, when that goes deeper and touches the spiritual aura – that is that suction – then a typhoon like that takes away your life aura, do you feel?, and then knocks you down dead.

So that working is still material, but, woe betide, when the splitting of an atom goes to the spirit.

The cosmos cannot let rip spiritually.

That is half-waking material.

That is not material which has therefore hardened, and strongly condensed; that has condensed from astral ...

But the wind cannot be seen; he can be felt, and that is called half-waking material consciousness.

Is that clear?

Half-waking.

If it was waking conscious, then you would have fixed material. This is fixed material.

But now this, (Jozef does something) this is also just half-conscious.

But I am the one who gets him going.

So my spirit is half-waking conscious, but one with that material.

And wind is half-waking material.

When the macrocosmos began and when the planets started to condense, then the masters speak of half-waking material consciousness.

A planet which was still astral, could not be seen. And now the splitting of an atom comes back to that and that grade of splitting, and that is releasing the life from that thing, and then with a micro you can make the whole cosmos suck together, in that and that grade.

Which grade does that atom possess?

I can begin with Einstein and then we will begin about splitting an atom.

And then I will show him his halt.

We have had lectures in Rotterdam and here in The Hague and in Amsterdam anyway. And there were academics there. One morning there was a doctor with me who says: ‘Now, that is clever.

I am not that far, just say that to that Mr Rulof.’

‘Can the splitting of an atom destroy the world?’ master Zelanus said in Rotterdam, in The Hague in the lecture, didn’t he?

Well, amazing, I was standing there in Diligentia and in Rotterdam talking about the splitting of an atom.

I had that from the clay, I had that from Fanny.

I have learned that from master Honstra at school, in primary three.

There are no books about this, sir, and you cannot follow any doctrines for that. But I challenged Einstein in America.

He became ill.

If only I had had that.

I got two parapsychologists on their knees, a professor, and a lady professor, they came to the exhibition; they were kneeling.

Yes, if only we could continue.

(To the hall): Anything else?

Sir, do you have nothing else but wind this evening?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Otherwise it would not be ... (inaudible) ... from where.’

Well, then at least we know where the wind comes from.

Do you have anything else, ladies and gentlemen?

What did you say, madam?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Why is it that a human being can always dream that he has lost his clothes?’

Can dream that he has lost his clothes?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Why is it that a human being can dream that he has lost his clothes?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, always.’

Madam, then he is looking for his paradise.

(laughter) If you start to look for your clothes, then you are back again on the way to paradise, because there we only just had a leaf.

No, we did not even know what a leaf was.

We sat next to each other in nature, naked to the whole world.

It was only me, there was no one else with me, it was me.

No, you were not even there, sir.

Or you must experience that paradise yourself.

But I was alone there in my paradise.

With Eve.

Eve was also there and a snake. ‘Psss.’

I say: ‘Just go away with your hissing, dope.’

Snakes ... ‘Say, how did you actually originate, if I am just alone here in the world?’

Oh dear.

‘Psss.’

I hissed the snake away.

Madam, then you are really looking for paradise.

Yes.

If you dream that you cannot find your clothes ...

Yes, you do not want me to bring you to the pawnshop, do you?

(laughter) Do you?

Could there have been someone in your room who quickly took away your clothes and brought them to the pawnshop?

That is not possible, is it, sir?

No, it has to do with paradise.

You would like that.

Do you have anything else, madam?

No?

Madam, that is a dream, it takes you to the naked self of Mother Nature.

Or you have already been robbed once before, that they really took away your clothes, and then you start to dream.

There was a man with me, then he says: ‘They stole forty thousand guilders from me.

And I can never forget it.’

Every night he dreams about his money.

And then he sees the thief.

And then he comes with a: ‘I have got him!’

But he was dreaming; he grasped in the vacuum.

Then that woman says: ‘You no longer need to dream, husband.

If you have the feeling tomorrow: I still have food for ten, twenty years, then you will be rid of the dream.’

But he could not do that, do you see?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Have you read, Mr Rulof, about that woman in France, or in Belgium? They had the money in the cupboard.

Then she had closed off the kitchen and that man thinks: where are you now?

And he goes to look and he sees that light burning; but that kitchen is locked.

Then she says: “What we argue about every day”, she says, “I will shove into the stove.”’

That is good work.

That woman was powerful and strong. But she could also have done it differently.

(Lady in the hall): ‘She says: “Dear, now we will never have an argument again.”’

But then he went ...

(Lady in the hall): ‘Then she went to a psychiatrist in the morning, to a mental institution.’

Then she went away.

Then they locked her up?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, then they had locked her up.’

But she was wise.

Yes, now people lock her up.

But he was crazy, he remained free.

And she ...

Yes, that man cannot understand that for that matter; when you burn five or ten thousand guilders, then you are crazy.

‘Then we will have no more arguments.’

‘What did you say?

No arguments?

Now it will begin precisely.’

Gone money, gone happiness, gone world.

Do you have nothing else for me?

(Hall): ‘Yes.’

Yes, wait a moment.

(Lady in the hall): ‘May I ask something?

This week I was walking on the Benoordenhoutseweg, and I was engrossed in the trees, that they were now so barren.’

They are not barren, they are asleep.

(Lady in the hall): ‘No, asleep.

But it was a golden tint, so there was no colour to be found. Then I went to look at a few of the trees one by one, and then it was exactly as if the crown received a purplish-red aura.

Then I thought: oh, that is perhaps a spot from the sun which had broken through.

And when I walked past it and I looked again, then it was gone.’

What time was it, madam, when you were walking there?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Nine o’clock in the morning.’

That is possible.

If you were three hours later, then you would no longer have seen that.

Why not, madam?

(Lady in the hall): ‘But all trees, I went and observed each one individually, then there was that large aura again ...’

Yes, madam, yes, madam.

Ladies and gentlemen, do you know why she saw that?

If she had gone towards twelve o’clock – that is also possible, you know, especially at this time now, madam – then you would no longer have seen it.

As soon as the sun breaks through ...

No, do you know what you saw?

I can now see your tree and your light.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Wonderful colours.’

Yes, beautiful.

(Lady in the hall): ‘It also came from a single branch.’

Unity with your feeling.

First with you.

Now I am starting to see what you saw, isn’t that nice?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Nice.’

Second clairvoyance.

But what do I see now?

I see, I see, what you did not see.

I can say immediately, why did you see it?

But you did not see that at twelve o’clock.

(Lady in the hall): ‘No.’

Only just at nine o’clock.

Do you know why, sir?

Do you know what it is, sir?

You, Leo?

No one?

(Someone in the hall says something.)

What did you say?

The morning dew.

The morning awakening, the awakening of the morning has an aura.

That light of the morning, precisely that grey.

Why must it be grey, madam, if you perhaps do not believe me? Why must it be grey?

Why do you only see that in that grey atmosphere?

Why?

Do you not know that either?

(Lady in the hall): ‘A colour ...’

No, madam. Yes, there is something of that.

Nice, isn’t it?

When the sun is there, madam, then you no longer see anything.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Then that light dominates.’

Yes.

When there is light, you no longer see colour nuances, then it is gone.

(Lady in the hall): ‘But it was beautiful.’

But in that giving birth, you see ...

What is that giving birth? What does that giving birth now refer to?

Do you experience nature?

What does that giving birth refer to?

And why do you see that?

What is that really, what you see there?

(Lady in the hall): ‘The first principle of ...’

Yes, the first principle, madam. But for what?

For running?

For cycling?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Of the light ...’

There, it is that. But I do not mean that.

(Someone says something.)

Yes, and what is that, child?

What is that, child?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Giving birth.’

Yes, madam. You get full marks.

Giving birth.

From the giving birth, the night is giving birth, to the creation.

And then you see the aura.

Is that not beautiful?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, it was so beautiful, that I first thought ...

You know, I did not see it immediately.

When I looked at it, then it came in the end to a large ...’

In this way, sir, we can explain the whole cosmos, for everything, sun rays, morning, night, light.

This is why ...

Imagine, I immediately flashed to ... I see that sun and then I think: oh, that is good. And while talking I see the sun, I see the midnight hour, twelve o’clock, one o’clock, and I think: now it is not possible. This is why I asked that question.

But the sun shows itself, the sun speaks now.

That is unity with the state which has to do with everything.

Night, earth, morning, hour, sun, and that suddenly manifests itself. And if you see that, then you can retell it just like that.

Retell it, just like that.

But at the moment that you are talking, you must see, see, see, see.

Is it not perfectly simple?

(Lady in the hall): ‘But beautiful.’

Beautiful.

(To the hall): Who has anything else?

It is heavenly wisdom.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I had something else.’

Yes, sir.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I have just been very shocked. Later I realized. I found it understandable what you said. But I said then: fever.

Then you said: ‘Fever is an illness.’

I was bit shocked by that; but I understand why you say that fever is an illness.’

Yes.

The fever is ...

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘When the human being says ‘I have a fever’, then he is sick.’

Yes.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘But the fever is ultimately not the illness.’

Is ultimately ...

No, but it does have to do with the illness after all.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, it has to do with it. But a fever itself is not an illness, is it?’

Yes, then I must dwell upon everything.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I mean ...’

I take that leap, I take the illness, and at the same time the manifestation.

Sir, we have light here; how far must we go back to the source before this became light? And that is the illness.

The fever is the aura of the illness.

But I did not take that middle course, because they are halts.

But that rotting ...

Illness, fever.

And what is fever now?

What is fever now?

You want the wind ...

You must ask, Mr Otterloo, ‘What is fever?’

That is of more use to you, as when you ask: ‘What is wind?’

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘A reaction.’

And then we have thousands of different kinds of fever.

Do you not know that?

For example, someone is in a very great hurry, then he also already has a kind of fever.

Someone who is jealous: a high fever.

Brrr.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Ague.’

Ague; but then we are involved with the body again.

But spiritual fever ...

Spiritual fever, who is free from that?

My mother.

Are we not all feverish in this society?

It’s true, isn’t it?

Because if we are – you should hear how clearly – not in harmony with the divine laws, as powers, as light, as life, as love, as fatherhood, as motherhood, then we radiate fever, and we break out, flaming. ‘Not nice’, they say up above.

Our Lord says: ‘Why are you making such a fuss?’

(To someone in the hall): What?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Is that materially measurable?’

Fever?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No, the fever which you mean?’

Yes, of course, if you give me a slap in the face by means of your being feverish, your being angry ... If we are angry, then an inner hate-carrying fever comes, an aura. You hit; then you can give me a deaf ear.

Do you still not find that bad enough?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, but I mean, can that be measured with a thermometer?’

Sir, then we just needed a thermometer in order to determine the life of feeling.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, that is precisely what I mean.’

Yes, that can be determined.

But we do not know that of course, this is why I am making that joke.

I say: if you give me a slap, then that is also fever.

But now a thermometer in order to determine the life of feeling and the consciousness.

Nice?

They will still discover that, Mr Joost.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘ ... it is even possible that we, when someone gets worked, that has already been determined ...’

That is, well ...

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Then he has an increased glandular working.’

Yes.

Sir, we have lie detectors.

So the feeling is already busy.

Sir, that is busy.

And soon, when that is complete, then they infallibly determine your personality.

Do you know what alone?

Your consciousness; that all reacts, life of feeling, aura, love.

But we already have the lie detector.

(The sound technician): ‘Another two minutes.’

Just another two minutes?

Good grief.

(To someone in the hall): Yes, sir?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Can that lie detector not be disengaged?’

Yes ... Well, you may put it on me.

And then I would lie that sparks fly and tell him nothing.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Exactly.’

Sir, that is all art.

(To someone in the hall): What did you say?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘They can only just determine the disharmony?’

Yes, look here, that detector ...

Yes, of course, disharmony, that points to sensitivity.

But why ...

What is the quintessence, the actual core of a lie detector?

Why does that instrument start to work?

Why?

(Someone says something.)

There you have it: feeling.

Because you know that you are lying.

I too for that matter, I lie the whole evening here.

(laughter) Yes, sir, if I tell you that you are lying, then I must also be a liar.

But when we start to lie, there is tension inside and that uncertainty ...

But I lie against space.

Ladies and gentlemen, I will see you on Sunday morning.

(There is clapping.)