Good evening, my sisters and brothers.

(Hall): ‘Good evening, master Zelanus.’

Which of you has a question ready?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, I once asked here recently how it could be explained, how it was possible, that you, who were Lantos on earth in the last life, gave the lectures in pure Dutch, even the Dutch idiom and without an accent.

Then you said: “We learn a language here in ten minutes.”

But my question was actually not complete, I had also actually wanted to ask: how far does the capacity of the instrument reach?

Is it also possible to give that lecture in French, for example, by means of the instrument?’

No.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Oh, that is not possible.’

Because we ...

This is a different education.

When the languages come forward, then you get the epileptic sleep.

So, we continue now, we use, twenty-five percent consciousness of the person who is speaking.

Those hands, that body must still live, mustn’t it?

And I am outside of it.

I have no contact, we have no contact.

We are not one with the heart, with the blood, with the nervous system.

And that twenty-five percent must go, they must dissolve completely.

And then you lie down in the epileptic sleep, therefore unconscious.

And then we cannot even speak.

So we must build up consciousness again, if you want to speak.

And you can only do that in the deep, very deepest sleep.

That happened like that in Ancient Egypt.

But if you experience that, then that master is busy building up languages and not wisdom.

Do you not have enough languages yet?

So we cannot speak French, we cannot speak any languages, because that takes away twenty-five percent of feeling from the instrument; or epilepsy.

And years ago we had spoken Russian, French, Arabic and Greek and Egyptian in there, that belonged to the building up, to the materializations and to the epileptic sleep, the physical trance.

So that goes through the organism.

Then the systems sleep.

And then you get the spiritual trance.

And now there is twenty-five percent needed in order to ... that body ...

I use that body, that organism, but that is the life of André.

And this is why I cannot do any different.

We must accept that language, we must accept the life of feeling and everything, and yet consciously disengage, conquer that life.

And that is a study of thirty lives.

If you wish to master that for yourself, and if the master wants that, someone from the astral world, does he want to experience that for himself?

He can only do that by means of the feeling of yours which has awakened.

Can you feel this?

But how can that feeling be built up?

You read ‘Between Life and Death’; there it is.

You read ‘Spiritual Gifts.’

There are probably two million mediums living in the East.

And if you take out one who is completely in the hands of an astral master, then it is a lot.

And he is not even there at the moment.

And there are two million of them.

Can you not feel then, then he would have got the wisdom over the world, wouldn’t he?

That master drives that life onwards.

If we work and we can achieve something, then you must carry that out, otherwise we will not begin with that.

So we must calculate beforehand what we can achieve.

And master Alcar had to do that.

If you come to stand before this, before this, just write a book, then you will go through death a thousand times and through insanity a hundred thousand times.

You must for every thought, every character trait, for life and death, for God and Christ, for soul, spirit and organic systems you must be able to conquer yourself and be able to surrender.

Why do you not have that then?

Why are there so few of these people?

Yes, there are perhaps two thousand living in your midst.

But where are those lives?

Do those people have something to tell the world?

When the universe speaks, then the universe must also have something to tell.

You have that.

And just go, follow all those mediums, those instruments, and look.

We gave you ‘Spiritual Gifts’; you can gauge those people.

Just ask.

When does wisdom come?

Isn’t it true?

And British India (present day India), the East?

Once every hundred years Ancient Egypt had one Great Winged One.

There were four, five hundred priests; there was just one of them with feeling.

And that was a deity.

And what did Ancient Egypt still, still bring, isn’t it true?

Ancient Egypt laid foundations.

Ancient Egypt did not get what you now experience.

And that is still just three, four thousand years ago.

Those deities in Ancient Egypt, they were still unconscious, they did not experience these laws.

When they held those wonderful séances there, when they were together there, those priests, those high priests ...

There was an initiation.

They gathered in the evening and during the night.

And then ...

The Great winged one was taken possession of by the Other Side.

That instrument was again ...

They are foundations, laid by the priests, by Isis, by Ra, or by Ré, by Luxor.

All those temples knew their winged ones: a priest with feeling.

No more.

Who has the gift?

There is not one human being on earth – when you come into contact with the astral world – who has that, possesses five percent of gifts.

Jozef Rulof has nothing.

And even if he would want it, he cannot do that.

He gets wisdom?

Yes, indeed.

Perhaps you think: can he do this himself?

He says it to his friends.

He tries it in The Hague.

He comes, people ask him the question: ‘What kind of power is the sun actually?

Is the sun fatherhood or motherhood?’

The sun has light-giving fatherhood and motherhood.

Motherhood for the sun is giving birth, inwardly, and the radiance is creating.

But at that moment André becomes one with the sun.

‘And at that moment’, he says, ‘I felt my blood run away.’

Do you see?

So he reaches unity.

There is no feeling here.

Why must we speak?

I will explain that to you now.

He would not be able to do that.

Because, when you ask a question and it is about the universe, then I must experience that unity.

We do not talk outside those laws, we are law at that moment!

We are one with sun, with moon, with fatherhood, with motherhood, with birth, with insanity.

Insanity; you can no longer name a law which you know, or we are one with that life.

And if André, or Jozef Rulof were to do that, then he would dissolve and the power, the concentration over all the systems would be broken, and he would fall down unconscious before you, at your feet.

That happens.

You dissolve completely.

You cannot avoid those laws with this wisdom, with this contact.

So when you soon come ‘beyond the coffin’ and you want to experience those laws, you want to look at the life, there, isn’t it true, such as here ...

The Catholic Church, Protestantism, the bible, everything points to the life.

Just look at it.

Just pray.

Just lie down.

What do you achieve?

On the other side you must be light, be love, kind-heartedness, in the first place love, feeling, harmony.

So there must ...

Everything which has meaning for you for this society, harshness, unwillingness, all those wrong characteristics must go.

And you cannot get rid of them just like that.

But now you are free from hatred and everything.

And what did you think now that you will do on the other side.

Look like that, walk through the life; it is there, it is there, you are also there, God is also there, Christ is there.

But where?

How do you wish to get to know Christ, how do you want to get to know God?

If André, if Jozef Rulof, from childhood ...

We were already busy with this life, when Jeus – you read that – was still present in the mother.

And we did those things, master Alcar laid those foundations.

He kept touching that life; that had to be touched, or it would absorb too much material space in it.

So that child was not even allowed to live as you got and received that.

Always a rap, a touch; and again a foundation for the astral world, for now, for now.

So free from the material.

He was not even allowed to learn.

Everything which you now learn, you will feel, that must go overboard.

Because then you feel yourself materially, and this would remain astral, spiritual.

And still that effort, foundation upon foundation, thirty years long.

Always just following that life.

How many dangers were there not?

A master has that to spare, you will soon have that to spare for it.

So André has to experience that.

He will have to feel like that for everything.

Away from us means disharmony, doesn’t it?

So in the first place, the feeling in order to fight, in order to battle, in order to give.

Fine.

And then the master builds on feelings, on character traits, and then the master lays foundations.

But then the feeling must be in you.

And ten grams of sensitivity for this, you can experience thirty lives for that, before you possess that feeling.

It is precious.

But now, I ask you that question, what will you do soon now on the other side?

You walk through the life, you just look, the spheres are there, if you have light, then you belong to that light; but what must happen now?

Every law, nature, a tree, a flower, a plant, especially the human being, the animal, you must love, you must absorb, you must get to know all of that, and it is only then that that unity comes.

But try to get to know the life of your trees.

Become one with nature, with giving birth, with creation, with water, with light, with night, with day, and now the planetary system.

Do you see?

We must experience that unity.

And we speak from that world, we also have something to bring, and that has already happened.

Can you feel this?

And that is now your French, and my Spanish.

Is there anything else?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, if I have understood you properly, did Jozef Rulof have to learn English then before he went to America?’

Yes, indeed.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Because he spoke English there.’

We spoke English there.

Look, of course we also made a few mistakes.

André ...

We first wrote three books, the trilogy ‘Masks and Men’.

He made two exhibitions of them.

We still have to work on ‘The Cosmology’.

And then we gave him approximately six, seven eight weeks’ time in order to absorb English words.

Now he had the fortune that ‘The Peoples of the Earth’ was translated, and we let him read that book.

But, now you must listen carefully, if there is now no trust that something can happen then ...

You now have a material piece of proof here.

Now go to America and hold a lecture about ‘reincarnation’, about rebirth, about the cosmic rebirth, in English, and you do not know any words; how do you wish to feel?

André, Jozef Rulof had to go and stand on that large stage of Carnegie Hall, and that in New York.

He goes.

If it is necessary, everything can happen, and then those previous lives must come back, do you see?

And we drew from that.

He knew a few words.

The lecture is finished, the Panis Angelicus comes; no, that is still not there.

His brother spoke to the people.

He is introduced.

But a quarter of an hour before we have to start – as it happens here: he goes and sits there, I come to him – he falls asleep.

He has a wonderful sleep before the lecture, in New York, about reincarnation, in English.

Then his brother came, he says: ‘Do you not have any nerves at all?’

We went on stage with beautiful colours.

But we remained ...

Fifty percent for me, and fifty percent for him.

He remained in his organism, and yet master Alcar had awakened the English life in that quarter of an hour, and then he spoke society English.

The people asked his brother: ‘How long have you been living here?’

Then the brother says: ‘Eighteen years.’

Then he says: ‘Jozef speaks better than you do.’

Then Dennis Lefton came, he came upstairs.

And he was that astronomer in the books ‘The Origin of the Universe’.

We took him up then, but for seven percent, and then it already happened.

And, complete surrender.

Will you do it sometime?

Will you try it sometime?

You must be able to surrender yourself completely in the first place.

Do you see?

And it was a wonderful reading, with inspiration.

We gave everything for that.

André was like a wild lion, and I was too.

But when he was standing there, he did not know whether he was speaking in New York or here.

Because we use that aura of yours.

Those people, they were not Americans, but they were people from Amsterdam and The Hague.

We placed that aura in the hall.

And we had to do a thousand things in order to make that a success.

Do you see?

So that he, at the moment when he gave himself, and that we came on that stage and we had to begin, so that he did not feel New York, but the universe.

And that can all happen.

But those few words ...

I said to André: ‘Just take some words; I will get them from you again.’

And that happened.

Do you see?

(It remains silent.)

No.

Anything else?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.

Master Zelanus, may I know something about the meaning of the colours of the radiance?’

What did you say?

(Lady in the hall): ‘May I know something about the meaning of the colour of the radiance, of the aura?’

Yes, which colour do you want to get to know?

A nice white, for example?

(Lady in the hall): ‘White, yes.’

That is death.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Is that death?’

This is nice, this is nice.

You read in ‘A View into the Hereafter’ that yellow in that aura, in the universe, is hatred, yellow has hatred.

But for the cosmos yellow is not hatred.

Why not?

What does this colour now mean for the cosmos, when we begin about the cosmology?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Golden yellow.’

What did you say?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Golden yellow.’

Yes, golden yellow.

But what is that, golden yellow?

What does this colour represent for the universe?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘The Christ.’

(Lady in the hall): ‘Does it have something to do with the sun?’

The Christ, did you say?

No.

This colour is the fatherhood of the universe.

So this colour yellow originated directly, and represents fatherhood as sun, but now as a flower.

And when you look into this flower, into the heart of this life, then you will also know the sun inwardly, because the sun is exactly the same.

Then you can immediately tell the academic: look, sir, I know what the sun is like inside.

And the sun also has pistils.

That is the womb for the sun.

Because did you think, that the sun would not give birth?

The sun represents motherhood in itself, and when those cells as radiant fatherhood ...

Can you feel this?

We have material fatherhood, but also radiant and spiritual fatherhood.

For the universe the sun is radiant fatherhood.

And when you now descend into the sun, to the seven layers, seven grades, before you get the core, then it is one giving birth.

And then you look into the heart of this life.

Just go to a biologist and an astronomer, and then just say: here you have the sun.

Then he will chase you away immediately.

But the sun and the moon, as mother, but especially the sun, gave birth to and created themselves.

And you will find that again in all this life.

Nature, the cosmos is not so difficult.

If you first know those foundations, then this whole immensity lies open to you.

And you are that, that is the wisdom.

You can be busy for a thousand years, all of you can ask thousands of questions in an evening; and wherever you go, you cannot avoid me.

I had to prove that, for that matter, I gave you answers to those questions.

But this is still nothing.

If we begin about the cosmology with the academics ...

I wished that you were here this evening with some four hundred academics, and all separate questions.

And then you can come with Einstein and with everyone.

For that matter, we challenged him in America.

You will also do that sometime.

It is not about attacking that man, but about a spiritual fight, a duel, by means of the cosmology.

And they are now the pieces of proof which Ancient Egypt did not know.

They were in the universe, and they knew about the life, that they would return, but a piece of stone was still a deity.

They were there, you see, they stood on that God of all life.

Because a piece of stone is a deity, yes, indeed.

But they remained attached to that organism and they could not see that stone, and that tree, and that water separate from the spiritual astral world.

And because of this they did not come any further.

(To the hall): Did you have anything else?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, master Zelanus, I meant ...’

We have not finished talking.

(Lady in the hall): ‘I actually meant the aura of the human being.’

Yes, the aura of the human being also has that.

You know the colours, you know your earthly, material colours, but in the human being there are some, approximately seven thousand, ten thousand colours present.

What all do you want to know about that?

The human being here for the earth who wears a beautiful white garment, he is beautiful, but on the other side, white has no meaning.

Do you know that?

That has no aura, after all, does it?

You get the life in the colour.

All the colours are present in one colour.

But one colour dominates.

And when you therefore come from that material world into the yellow, into the spirit ...

Now it becomes hatred.

Because this is hard, this is damning.

Radiant?

Creating?

Yes, indeed, the sun is sweet.

But if we see that in the human being by means of a character trait: now it becomes mean, now it becomes hateful, destructive, unkind, unjust.

If you now go into the other bright colours – you will feel, the higher, the more beautiful, the softer – into bright green, and that is a spiritual radiance, then we stay away from that area.

Then just go away, if you meet a human being with bright, bright green.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Pink?’

Pink.

Yes, now we come to love.

Now we come to ... to what?

In the first place to love, to the life of feeling.

Pink.

Only pink means nothing.

You should see a garment of a mother from the first, the second, the third, the fourth sphere.

Men do not have such beautiful garments as the mothers there.

The man as the creator walks past creation.

But in the spheres ...

I am close to you this evening, so I can tell you something very different.

In those spheres you see the colour according to how the human being has developed.

If you do art, if you have done art, then that art even lies in your aura.

Just everything which has to do with your soul and with your spirit, not with your soul, because the soul is the divine spark, but with your personality, you will find that again in your own garment.

And pink alone is death.

It does not mean much.

White is also death.

A colour on its own is harsh.

You do no find any blue on the other side, or that blue has all the colours of the universe; but then that aura is a violet-bluish haze.

If you see a flower on the other side, you can make it dissolve just like that.

You can take it with you if you have that attunement.

Otherwise the calyx closes and then that flower is suddenly gone.

The life disappears like that before your eyes.

If you came to the other side, in the first sphere, and you did not have that attunement, and someone can take you along, your mother, your father, your master, it does not matter ...

He says: ‘Look, do you see that flower there?’

That master holds that flower captive, attached, together.

And if you come closer, you will see nothing anymore, everything dissolves.

Do you not find that remarkable?

That means: you do not have that attunement.

And that life immediately withdraws.

So it speaks so awe-inspiringly.

When the human being comes here, the human being does not need to look for himself, you immediately see yourself there, in colour, in attunement, in light, in everything.

You see people there with beautiful garments, and a frill hangs next to that, in a manner of speaking.

So you see thousands of millions of people there whose personality spiritualizes itself, and that garment is still not finished.

You see the strangest manifestations on the other side.

You can buy a beautiful suit; we cannot do that.

(Lady in the hall): ‘But, master Zelanus, Venry brought a flower to earth, didn’t he?’

What did you say?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Venry brought a flower to earth, didn’t he?’

Yes.

(Lady in the hall): ‘And he gave it to the king, to the pharaoh.’

Yes, indeed.

(Lady in the hall): ‘And then that broke.’

No, not that flower.

Venry could let that flower live for ten thousand years.

But then that flower dissolves.

As long as Venry wants that flower to remain on earth ...

We can do that too.

But then we steal the life there.

We do not take part in deception.

Why do so many ... not happen ...

André asked master Alcar several times: ‘Bring a flower.’

We did that several times, at the dark séances.

And then the flower came from the other side, or from the earth.

We got it from over there and brought it through the walls and laid it down there.

That flower remains ...

When that flower ...

when a master ...

Do you see, that master absorbs that life in him, takes it with him to the earth, and lets the life go, and you see that life.

That is half-wakened materialized, half spiritual.

But you see it, you cannot hold it.

If that master withdraws for a moment with this life, it will dissolve before your eyes.

That is all possible.

Those pieces of proof were given many, hundreds of times, in London, in Egypt, in British India, everywhere.

Bu those laws are over.

That order, the University of Christ said: ‘Give as many pieces of proof as possible to earth.’

And those twenty-five years are over.

But during those twenty-five years that mankind got materializations, dematerializations, direct voice, the heart of Christ bled.

Yes ...

Now you will also want to know, of course, why.

Because Christ gave everything, devoted everything by means of His life and blood.

But not by means of ...

Christ could have drawn the whole of the universe to the earth, the astral world; He did not do it.

He let himself be beaten.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Only for Thomas He let himself ...’

He did it a few times.

And what do we get now?

We now walk next to the life.

The human being asks for proof.

Thousands and hundreds of thousands of pieces of proof were given.

We do not achieve anything with pieces of proof.

It says in ‘Jeus’ ...

When Jeus was five years old ...

Who will now believe that Jeus, who will realize that, that this child would experience Golgotha, and the creation darkened, and that he would find money in the wood?

So master Alcar sees ...

We do not know that.

But quite definitely somewhere in the wood – did you read that? – master Alcar sees money lying there.

How is that possible?

And Jeus finds it.

By means of that proof the whole world would, all the universities of your earth would have to accept: the other side can think, is an amazing personality.

Because you cannot do that.

But what does it mean?

Do you see?

There were millions of pieces of proof given in this way: photographs, extras (spirit photography, see ‘Spiritual Gifts’).

We let André do everything.

Only for this, which you now hear.

Only in order to be able to talk, he had to go through the materializations, direct voice, levitations, aports, all the physical manifestations, phenomena, we had to go through them, because he had to go into the epileptic, physical sleep.

And then out of it.

Because every nerve must speak and react this evening, his heart, his blood circulation must be attuned to this speaking; or something refuses, and you do not get a word over your lips.

Yes, indeed.

That lasted another three and a half years, although master Alcar already laid the foundations in his youth.

This life already disembodied as a child of nine months, but not consciously.

Only for that consciousness.

You read that again in the ‘Spiritual Gifts.’

But you will soon read that in ‘Jeus III’.

You get all those pieces of proof there, those facts, those foundations which we laid before we could begin with writing.

We had to let André heal.

Why?

That instrument would have an existence.

Master Alcar got him out of that garage there, but he also taught him to drive, on a chair.

And that will seem strange to you, but by means of that chair master Alcar had him in his hands again.

Do you see?

We can do everything, everything is possible, if you just have the feeling.

And you can continue in this way.

Our work is now finished.

If André is willing this evening, for a hundred percent, he will say: ‘I am going’, you will not see me, you will not see him again.

If he says that this evening for a hundred percent – hundred percent; he must not lose one percent – then the aura will rip apart.

Our work is finished.

We can also write fifty books.

Master Alcar says: ‘It is no longer necessary.’

If André is willing, we will begin tomorrow.

But he also says now: ‘No.’

I will not write anymore for the time being’, he says.

And now we have to bow.

We are now that far.

If he says: ‘I will not speak anymore’, then we just have to bow to this life, master Alcar, I and the other masters for whom he serves.

But that is no longer Jozef Rulof now, but that is André-Dectar.

And that task is over.

For that matter, you do not realize how much blood is lying there, do you?

This life comes from Gelderland.

In your cities ...

You learned, you got your education, this child got nothing.

This child had to experience an own development outside of society.

Do you see?

The world still does not understand this.

You see how poor your world is, mankind is, the psychologist is.

We gave thousands and millions of pieces of proof by means of the books, by means of the paintings, by means of the healing; it does not help you.

And now André says: ‘I have had enough of this so far.’

Do you believe that?

Would you like to take this over?

Why not?

It gives you happiness.

But then master Alcar must bow.

Because this work is finished.

For that matter, I told you it recently.

As long as you can still experience this, this is a benefit to your life, benefit to society.

But we destroyed him, we destroyed this life completely, as you can call that here.

There is nothing left, not a gram of feeling anymore, which we have not used, by means of the books, by means of the lectures, but especially by means of the books.

All the powers have been exhausted.

Every feeling of power is recorded in the books.

There are twenty-five of them ready.

We can write another fifteen, twenty books.

If he begins with a new life, here, then we would also be able to write another fifteen books.

But we take care of mankind in that short time, don’t we?

You are standing before the kingdom of God at the moment.

That will take twenty-five, thirty, forty years, and mankind will live in a wonderful paradise.

Not yet paradise, but you will have peace and quiet and prosperity and consciousness.

We only just have to take care of mankind.

For that matter, master Alcar says that, I also say that, in ‘The Peoples of the Earth.’

You read that, it was possible in 1940 that he could die.

Master Alcar would bring nine books to earth.

And that was an awe-inspiring task.

Can you feel this?

Compare this – you must see this – with British India, with Tibet, with Ancient Egypt, with the philosophers from British India.

What do those people have, what do they possess?

What did Ramakrishna, one of your great conscious people for the East, what did this child leave behind?

What did Ramakrishna give you, give mankind?

What did Buddha, Mohammed give?

The cosmos?

Did Buddha analyze the teachings, the wisdom, the laws of God in such a way as André was able to do for you?

That cannot be found on earth, because master Alcar, Anthony van Dyck, is the instrument again for the masters and the University of Christ.

I am the spokesperson for that university.

If the world, mankind was ready, my child, then you would have to accept me as your mentor.

You say ‘master’, but I do not even want that.

I want to first accept that name then, that word, and André too, if we can convince all of mankind.

I want to earn that.

If you say ‘master’ now this evening, then I will be shocked, and it will hurt me – you would be much better calling me Piet – because we possess the power of the universe and we cannot lose it.

Do you see?

André is cosmically conscious.

We have one and the same sphere, he and I.

I had to write the books, and I had to teach him to spell, as a child.

I had to learn the dialect, because there is not any thought – any food, any drink; I left that up to him – but there is nothing for his awakening that I was not in him.

And otherwise this speaking would not be possible.

So I had to experience his life irrevocably.

I had to experience and elevate this life, that was my task.

And master Alcar was outside of that.

He had that in his hands.

So much was done for this pathetic word, shall I say, which you have already experienced for years, years, for this word of the universe, from the universe.

But those books, André knows that, they will come in every house.

Those are the books for the University of Christ.

All of this mankind will get these books, and those millions of people will have to accept these books.

Because we really serve Christ.

And André developed his feeling again in Ancient Egypt for that purpose.

You can do that too.

Can’t you?

One person goes through nature, and the other now goes through the church, and in this way the human being does business.

That life had the feeling in order to get to know nature, the laws of God.

That is everything.

And by means of that, with that you get life after life.

You will soon have to begin with that too.

(To someone in the hall): Yes, what is it?

(Lady in the hall): ‘But Dectar, what was the difference between Dectar and Venry?’

Dectar was the master of Venry, and Venry was his follower.

(Lady in the hall): ‘But Venry had more feeling than Dectar.’

More feeling.

He had come a bit further in China, a few more lives.

And now those lives together are feeling.

This is André.

But the master is Dectar.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Is André Venry?’

No, we are talking about ourselves.

Venry lives in the fifth sphere, with master Alcar.

You can often see him when we are busy.

Then he does not say ‘André’, but then he says: ‘Dectar, I am here.

Can you see me?’

And then Venry says: ‘What did I tell you thirty-eight hundred years ago, when we came from the Pharaoh together, and I said: “One day you will convince mankind, and then you will get more than I”?

This is nothing.

What did we serve, what did we achieve on Isis?

A cold pathetic life.

But, we have begun.’

If the Catholic Church really had possessions, priesthood would be the most beautiful thing there is.

But not now that we avoid creation.

The Catholic Church lays thousands, thousands of traps and clamps for its own children, for the priests, the little nuns.

In Ancient Egypt, also wrong again, but now and again, when the Great Winged One got feeling, as love, then the high priests said: ‘Go, and look.

Something is waiting for you over there.’

Then nothing more could be achieved with that life.

You must be open for this, be empty.

Do you see?

You can ... humankind ...

Society can think now: what do I have to do with that?

But every little child, every man, every woman, everything comes on this path, and everyone must begin with that.

You must all begin with that.

And then we will stand next to you.

One person is further than the other, of course.

The Divine All is inhabited.

The human being of the earth, from the prehistoric age, and you can accept that, I told you that, lives in the Divine All and represents the divine human being.

And we are still here, you are still here.

But you see it, the life gets space, beauty, feeling.

Man and women represent God as father and mother, and that is the love, that is the taking possession of the universe.

If you know nothing about planets and suns, and insanity, and every law, birth, fatherhood, motherhood, then you also close yourself, can you feel this?

That is on the other side, I have never used that word before, but that is the half-conscious suicide.

The human being who says: I want nothing to do with that, I will see, he is committing astral, spiritual suicide.

And he keeps himself imprisoned in a little area; sees nothing, has no more light in his eyes.

Because this is only material light, do you see?

And that human being does not see in that astral world, in that spiritual world, because that human being says: I want nothing to do with that.

So this life passes completely for nothing.

And your whole society is like that.

And this is very simple to understand, to accept, to learn, because you can be enthusiastic, you can experience your social life, life becomes nicer and more beautiful every second, because you start to feel each other, you have something to say to each other.

Isn’t it true?

And now the human being lives, especially the mother.

(To someone in the hall): Yes, did you have anything else?

(Someone in the hall reacts.)

I will come to you soon.

(Lady in the hall): ‘How does an unconscious disembodiment come about?’

How an unconscious disembodiment comes about?

Then there are feelings in you, for example, in your dream.

You sleep and you have the feeling: you have been somewhere.

You can also experience that during the day.

You are sitting there for a moment, you fall asleep, and you say: I have the feeling that I was there.

I will ask whether that and that person was also there.

And that person was there, because you saw it.

So then you disembodied in the chair.

But that is a thought disembodiment at a hundred percent and that is infallible.

But you are still in your body.

(Lady in the hall): ‘And the dream?’

So feelings in sleep ...

Your personality continues, goes further, in sleep.

So there are thousands of longings in you, feelings, of awakening, of doing good, of nice things, of experiencing life beautifully, and one character trait, one law, that is a law, every character trait is a law, and a law like that now connects you with something else.

And then you get a character disembodiment.

Can you feel this?

And it can infallibly, a hundred percent, imprint the clear image in you, because you disembody, and you can also be one with your body, but your personality sends you yourself into the universe in order to have a look and in order to act.

And you ...

Let’s say, for twenty-five percent.

But that other twenty-five percent still lives in the body, is one with the body.

Can you feel this?

And yet experience infallibly.

That is the dream.

The psychologists know the dream, speak about it, but they do not know the laws for the personality and the spirit.

Now is ...

The spirit and the personality are one.

But now the spirit as feeling is the foundation, from where the personality thinks.

And that disembodies, and yet is in the organism; exactly the same as we are speaking, and I explained to you.

So you experience this evening, you can analyze the laws, you can analyze wonderful problems, and yet André is here.

Can you feel this?

But he is also asleep now.

So I speak and he is asleep.

That means: he is everywhere.

He experiences this, he gets everything back which I do now, or there will be holes in this personality, and that is not possible, that fills itself up again of its own accord.

Every word comes back for him.

Now he is here somewhere.

Where is he now?

This plays, this harmonizes, this changes every moment.

He comes close to me, he is often in me, he is back again, then we talk to each other, and yet I am speaking.

Now he is there.

There.

Yes, where is there?

There, he is sitting by those flowers.

He is looking at the little flowers.

(To the hall): Did you have anything else?

(To someone in the hall): You?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, could it be that someone who has learned a lot about spiritual things, who passed over twelve years ago, that he can now belong to this order, to the spiritual order?’

In twelve thousand years’ time.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Oh, in twelve thousand years’ time.’

Twelve thousand years.

Did that man already tell that?

(Lady in the hall): ‘No.’

But why are you asking this?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Well, I have ...

I used to go to the Rosicrucians ...’

They are in the heavens quickly.

(Lady in the hall): ‘No.’

They come there in a fortnight, in a few hours.

(Lady in the hall): ‘They said that they were so high ...’

That you could not reach them.

(Lady in the hall): ‘... that they could no longer come back to the earth.’

They are so high, that they can no longer be reached.

Yes, indeed.

What did you think ...

You can experience the spheres, you can experience the Land of Twilight.

We have written books for every thought.

So when you soon come, here, and you come to the other side and you say: well, I do not know it, then you have not experienced those books, then you have not experienced those laws.

But for every thought you received a world, a book.

You know exactly how you must become free of yourself.

True or not?

But it is not so simple.

That reaching does not happen so quickly.

And do not do it so quickly either.

Just carry on, but consciously, you see, consciously.

You do not want anything more to do with deception, with lies, with unkindness, with injustice.

You know what the human being must do in order to give himself consciousness.

You can read a lot and you can learn a lot, but if there is no feeling ...

What did Christ say?

‘What do you have if you speak the languages of the world and do not possess any love?’

Nothing, nothing.

(To someone in the hall): What did you have just now?

(To the hall): Who asked me something?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Yes.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘If there is a war on the way, then people live in fear.

And if the war ...’

Then the people live in feast?

(Lady in the hall): ‘In fear.’

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘In dread.

And if the war is not there, the dread is even greater, pity is greater.

But how do the masters live along with us?

In what feeling?’

In other words: now I have you.

What would Christ ...

What am I with regard to Christ?

And you?

Nothing.

A great deal.

What do the masters from the seventh sphere do, the mentors: Cesarino, Damascus, the Half Moon, Ubronus?

What would they feel for you?

Do you not know that?

The masters are harsh.

But if you say ‘nothing’, do you accept that then?

You do not accept that, of course.

The masters must come again in order to ... those people ...

‘Oh, child, it is so difficult.’

Isn’t it true?

We go and sit next to you weeping and being sorrowful.

(Someone in the hall says): ‘No.’

The bombs will come, and we will also run away fast.

But we will remain ...

(There is a piece missing.)

... not yet.

We look and see how long it will be now.

What does it matter if you die?

Why are you afraid of a war?

Death is the most beautiful thing there is.

Why are you afraid of war?

What is war?

Dying, isn’t it?

And death is evolution, the most beautiful and the most wonderful thing which you can experience.

(Lady in the hall): ‘ ....worse things, being afraid of something ...’

That is much worse.

You are talking about the war, but a child with tuberculosis, with cancer, with worse diseases, a blind ...

How many wretches do you not have?

And then the masters are still not ...

If they can do something ...

But we go to pieces.

We are powerless against your karmic laws, and can do nothing.

You are to blame yourself for your accident, for your being blind, for your tuberculosis and your cancer.

Then you say: ‘I got it from my father’, but you have to do with those people.

And not a hair will be – all the things we experienced, and we had to bow – not a hair on your head will be harmed, if you are free from that, that, that, that, that, that.

And then you can continue for a year, ten years, and then you are still not empty for yourself, there is still so much.

Every character trait gets growth, kindness.

Do you see?

But how ...

What did you think, my friend?

We have had millions of lives since we came from the jungle.

And when will the human being begin?

Just look at society, just look at the human being who lives it up, steals, murders, commits arson.

There are people who have earned it honestly, but others have sucked out some thousand, some fifteen hundred of those children sucked.

Is there one human being on the earth who can say as a millionaire: I earned it honestly?

If we were to place the laws of Christ next to that?

What does Christ say?

What do the laws say?

You do not need to give until you have nothing left.

Everyone must build up, develop social feeling.

If you say to us, if you say to the master: ‘I am so poor, and that man there and that woman there, they have everything, everything.’

You are ...

People say there: ‘Why does that man have so many gifts?’

He can paint, he can heal, and he writes the books, and he has this.’

I told you: ‘We have the gifts; that human being has nothing!’

But you must also build up social consciousness.

Those people worked for that.

And it is up to them what they do with that now.

But do not look at the rich.

And when you come to the other side then, you read that, then you are pleased that you did not know that.

You used to be it too.

You were it centuries ago too.

An Eastern Rajah like that.

Maharaja; is it good now?

An Egyptian prince like that.

Just look into those little eyes.

The riches are still lying on your face, my child. (Laughter.)

But he does not believe me.

But what do the masters do now with regard to suffering, sorrow and misery?

If the magnetizer can do something ...

If you go to Lourdes ...

People asked me so often: ‘Do the masters still pray, André?’

Yes, we pray day and night.

We no longer have any night and any day, but ...

In that space we always walk like that, pray like that, with our heads turned towards the earth, in mourning, in black.

Yes.

We have ...

On the other side you can ...

Once you have consciousness in the astral world, then you have the happiness of the universe.

And then you no longer have to do with suffering and sorrow, my friend.

We do not go and sit down next to you.

And if we can, we take away that pain, why not.

I want to give my life, the master says, but you must experience those little things yourself.

Do you want to have my life, my health?

If you really say yes, and there is something wrong with you, and if you really say: The laws of God are like that ...

And we ask you, the master, Christ asks you ...

Did Christ not say that?

You do not know what happened during that time, because people do not know Christ.

Christ said to the people: ‘Do you want to heal?’

And Christ knew himself, or Christ would have beaten disease against the earth.

‘Because you can only heal if I give you all my health in its place.’

André healed in that way.

And if the full hundred percent, the love is there, that disease runs through him, but also out of him again.

And we had to heal in this way, André healed in this way.

But we do not have any sympathy with you.

Because it says in the books: sympathy is weakness.

You are busy evolving.

You are busy by means of struggle.

Why are you doing wrong?

Why does mankind do wrong?

You are busy developing; why would we take that development away from you and sit down next to you?

What can you still pray for now?

Now you should look at the psychologist and at the Catholic Church, the bible.

Listen to your radio, your clergy: pray, pray, pray and pray, and just sing.

And we come to the other side in this way.

Christ no longer wanted to hear that meowing.

And that is really meowing.

Because is that giving sacred devotion?

No, this absorbs core.

Praying is core.

Praying?

The human being prays in order to achieve something, doesn’t he?

Why do you pray?

Why do the masses pray?

Why do you sing so sweetly?

Did you really think that you would receive a reincarnation, and starting to sing a beautiful song to it?

To start to sing to reincarnation by means of an alto, by means of your alto, or your tenor, and to just stand in that nature and just sing, and just sing.

No.

No reincarnation came.

Can you feel this?

It becomes even more beautiful, it becomes even more simple.

But you will earn it, my friend.

Will war come?

What does war mean?

What does dying mean?

Diseases, they are phenomena by means of which you can moan, yes, indeed.

You do not need to ask for pain.

The human being who would laugh at pain and shrug his shoulders, he is an unconscious being.

You do not need to ask to be beaten and to enter the being burnt at the stake consciously, to just let yourself be smothered.

That is not necessary.

Because God said: ‘Not a hair on your head will be harmed.

I created you in love.’

But now you experience your karma.

And must we take care of you in that?

Who wants to take care of you in that?

Well?

Everything in society is beautiful, if you see and want to experience that beautiful of it.

You will soon leave and you will break a leg ...

I do not say that it will happen, my friend.

But do not get a fright.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘But I wanted to ask you ...’

I am not finished yet.

... and you go ...

Look, why do you have this now?

There are material, social possibilities by means of which you can cause yourself harm.

And everything lies in that.

(To someone in the hall): What did you have?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I find the dogmatic of yours harsh; in my way, understand properly what ...’

That is also harsh, yes.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘But if I am walking along the road and a tram comes and it runs someone down and kills him, and then I say: ‘Oh, human being, just walk on, that is karma; that is harsh.’

That is even more harsh.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Now that tram is harsher than the human being.

Yes, no, I do not mean that.

Yes, yes.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘And what should there be the other way round?’

Look, you say ...

What is harsh and strict for you, is a law for the other side, your spirit.

You speak about dying.

That man died, didn’t he, run down by that tram?

He was dead, wasn’t he?

We assume that he is dead.

But he is not dead.

What do you suddenly make of it now?

Why did he not pay more attention?

Then he must now return once more to the earth in order to learn to watch out in the city.

He must return in order just to learn: I must watch out for myself.

For how much ...

There are thousands of people who pass over because of the half-conscious suicide.

And that is nonchalance.

They do not watch out.

You must adjust to society, and you do not do that.

Is that harsh, if a tram comes there and you did not watch out?

Is it terrible when a human being knows: yes, something must just happen, and I hit the wall with that car?

I had to take over the wheel from André several times, because he had the feeling: I will pull everything out for a moment.

And then I say: ‘Just stop, my friend.’

And took moments that I with our quick, do you feel, with our tremendous thinking, quickly, thinking for thousands of problems: boom, like that, like that, like that.

That happened.

Now just continue.

He was once dashing along a street, looks there, and does not see the tram there, you will not believe it, but he walks into the path of the tram.

And that was in 1937.

And the tram stops, but he goes through the tram, through the driver, through the people, through the lights, through the electricity, and comes out at the back again, and floats like that to the other side, precisely where he should be, with that lady.

And then master Alcar took care of him and dematerialized him.

And then he says: ‘André, one more time, and then I will no longer have any power.’

And then André, Jozef Rulof came to the human being.

That lady says: ‘You look like a ghost.

(whispering) What a state you are.’

He was like a ghost, he was as white as that wall.

Those people became afraid.

‘Is there something the matter with you?’

‘No.’

But that blood, in that quick reaction ...

That happened, in 1937.

But that can only happen once.

And if André does not watch out afterwards, then master Alcar will let him go to pieces.

Is that harsh?

What is harsh here, is a law on the other side.

You say: ‘Oh, that good man must die and now that poor mother is left behind with seven children.’

We just take the example in ‘Jeus.’

The Tall One went at thirty-nine years old.

And Crisje was left there.

Seven children.

The thieves and the murderers, Crisje thought, the scoundrels on earth ...

You do not need to say it, because, what is that?

The burglars and the bandits, the other one said, they have everything, and Our Lord hits there – you see, the wisdom lies in there, there in ‘Jeus’, we will now begin with that – Our Lord beats a household to pieces there.

And those people loved each other?

No, that father would take care of the little children.

What kind of idiot is that up there?

Also harsh.

If we say: what kind of idiot is that, that God of love, who beats the human being insane there, with tuberculosis, cancer, leprosy ...

Is that not an idiot?

Is that a God of love?

This is much worse than the hater in the Old Testament.

And is that all harsh?

My child, the life of the Tall One would end.

His task was over, because another person had to come; they both had to make amends to another person.

And you will soon read that in part II of ‘Jeus.’

And then you will say: how can it be?

But the Tall One and Crisje are twin souls.

You will soon get a really wonderful book; because I did my best for it.

I hope that I will get your ‘yes.’

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, master Zelanus.’

Yes, but other people say that I was sentimental in the first part.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Gosh, you don’t say.’

Yes, indeed.

Then they say to Jeus: ‘Well, the first part is sentimental.’

Then I say to Jeus, André: ‘Thank you.

But I did not write it for him.’

There are thousands of laws lying in there.

Because I analyzed and brought together the material, the human, the maternal, the child-like and the spatial.

I began with a prayer, every chapter became a prayer, an opening, and got to experience the law.

You just read it once more, in order to begin, in order to tell it.

And then, I was very playful.

I said ‘good God, that on top of everything else’ just as often as Jeus.

The human being looks: the masters are speaking dialect.

Yes, we had to and would, or we could not have elevated this life.

And then, that is also the sweetest language of all the languages which we have got to know.

Why?

Because the life speaks now.

Are there not precisely many sweet things in the dialect?

I had to master that.

(To someone in the hall): Did you have anything else?

No.

Is it still harsh?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No, no, no.’

Thank you.

(To the hall): Which of you?

(Lady in the hall): ‘May I also ask you something strange?’

There is another hand.

I will come to you soon.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, must all those people now who commit that half-conscious suicide, experience the disintegration of the body?’

No.

But, did you not listen then to what I said: if they do not want that, they have no longing to die ...

Oh, you mean for the awakening, who walk on the street.

They passed over, they passed over so many hours, so much time too soon.

But there is no restraint, because those people did not devote any will for death.

They were shocked by it themselves.

But do you understand that the nonchalance also already connects you to suicide?

Yes?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.’

You can take part in technical wonders.

When André was to go to America, we really, master Alcar really experienced that trip beforehand, or he would not go.

Because there is still, do you feel, there is still no certainty in that.

And everything which possesses uncertainty, takes you to the half-waking suicide.

After all, we cannot analyze these problems in the books, because you will not work that out again.

But that is possible.

Because of course, you must be in harmony for a hundred percent with your surroundings, isn’t it true, with your task, your work, with regard to the human being, to yourself, the other side.

And what are you like?

How are you doing?

Now it is a case of watching out.

You must watch out for a hundred percent.

You have to learn that.

And if you cannot do that ...

How many thousands of people do not pass over every day as a result of nonchalance?

And those people walk on the other side, they are there, but they are still missing something.

And now they are still missing something.

And now they miss all that time ... They are there, and are conscious in trance as it were.

That time which they still had to live.

This is an accident.

There are possibilities that the human being would pass over precisely because of that destruction of that aeroplane, or that tram, or because of something else, a kick from a horse, in a manner of speaking, would pass over precisely because of that.

Because God does not know any deathbeds.

That deathbed of yours means nothing for the universe, that all happens inwardly.

Or you are standing, or walking, or floating, where you are, it can happen at any moment.

When the fluid cord breaks, then you go; and that is your dying.

But the incidental circumstances, you see, they are like that, like that, like that.

God created the human being for himself.

When you ...

It is of so little use to us to explain those laws to you divinely.

You can get divine wisdom, but then I must say: you are gods!

And then the human being comes there with his little character traits and says: I am a deity.

Now it will happen.

Do you see?

But if you must experience the universe, and if you conquer that universe by means of fatherhood and motherhood, and if you represent God as a human being in the Divine All, as a God-being, then you are now already a deity as a human being.

But I cannot explain those laws to you, because you do not feel those laws.

And then we come to the cosmology: the origin and the growth of a grade, a thought, and action.

If you fulfil an action, that action is spiritual, that is spatial, that is divinely inspired.

And the more you do and experience that, you awaken something of your divine attunement, and you get more feeling.

You have all of that in your hands.

And you must do all of that yourself.

Do you understand it now?

(To the hall): Anything else?

Yes, who had something?

(Lady in the hall): ‘In how far are the ten commandments still for us?’

What you make of that yourself.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, there are those commandments, of course ... thou shalt not commit adultery, thou shalt not steal.

But there is also another commandment: thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image or any likeness of ...’

If you ask me ...

I ...

You call me master.

And if you ask me, how many commandments you still know, then I must say: I do not know one anymore.

Do you believe this?

But the law, yes ...

Of course, Moses brought that, that, that and that.

But afterwards the church nibbled at Moses, and placed the ten commandments next to that and that and that.

Moses got that: thou shalt not kill, in the very first place; but then: thou shalt not commit adultery.

How many millions of people walk with the ten commandments in their heart?

And how many millions of people came to the other side outside of the ten commandments?

Do you see?

We take care of everything again.

Moses got foundations for mankind, of course.

Mankind would receive a faith.

If no masters – they were masters – had come to Moses with: ‘Thou shalt not kill’ ...

Do you see?

That was already wonderful, that Moses could give to mankind: ‘Thou shalt not kill’; but four days later Moses himself had to give the command to kill.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘He did it himself too.’

Yes, even better.

(To someone in the hall): Do you know that?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, I know it.’

So.

I did not even know it. (laughter)

I have learned something again this evening.

(To the hall): Did you have anything else?

André would say: ‘Is there anything else to be earned?’

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, you said this evening that a creator on your side does not have such a beautiful garment as a woman.

I do not understand that.’

You do not believe that either, do you?

Can I then say that I am more beautiful than you?

I did not tell you the truth this evening.

Because I live in the creating organism.

By that I mean ...

It is dangerous, of course, if I speak like that, but I mean by that: soon you will see what we are like.

But if the man asks me, the mother asks me that and that, then I give her the opposite image of the creator.

But you can feel that both lives are one, can’t you?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.

This is why.’

Of course.

But must I say that I am so beautiful there?

I do not do that.

(To the hall) Is there anything else?

(It remains quiet.)

People do not have much this evening.

(Lady in the hall): ‘I really want to know something, master Zelanus.

I noticed, when Jozef Rulof speaks, ... (inaudible) instrument, then this does not move.

But if it is you, then it is pressed in here with every word.

What is there ...’

I must speak by means of the head, and not Jozef Rulof.

If ...

Jozef Rulof speaks from the solar plexus.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Everything goes to this point.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, I noticed that.

I wanted to know.’

Anything else?

(Lady in the hall): ‘You said a moment ago, to come back to this conversation, that we wanted to have pieces of proof.

But does it now give you a pleasant feeling now that we believe in master Zelanus, while we have never seen him?’

Yes.

Yes, that is wonderful.

A wonderful feeling. (Laughter.)

It is a very pleasant feeling that you are there.

I know my auras.

I know that you still ...

You did not miss a single lecture, I believe.

Yes, once, when you were ill.

(Lady in the hall): ‘When my little daughter ...’

I know that too.

I have seen my people.

But I am very happy that you are here; not for me, but for yourself.

But I am also pleased that you are here.

Look, that is now what André elevates.

In the universe – I told you it several times – I have, under the spheres, in which the people are present, under my sphere, under your sphere, I have some hundred million, million, million, million adepts.

And I have two thousand of them here this evening.

Do you see?

Mankind is not ready.

Because it is easier to speak to two million people than to fifty, a hundred.

Do you see?

Because we go further.

I already began with the building-up, with myself, three hundred and fifty years ago. Nine hundred years ago ...

You know ‘The Cycle of the Soul’.

But when I was born again, and Emschor came to me, it was in your time, 1915, 1916, 1917, when I began with serving.

And when I have ... every ... while serving, the human being on earth in the universe, in the night, the light, in the giving birth ...

In the first place I experienced thousands of births with the mother.

I descended into the mother; I experienced the attracting of the cell, I went into you, and we received the creator and the new life, and I experienced in you, all those nine months – we experienced that thousands of times – in order to experience the character traits as spaces, in order to be able to take care of the university of the cell, the soul.

And like that from the moon.

Because if you experience the human being, and also the moon, and also the sun, then you know all the creations of God.

And then we began to serve that life.

Always just talking.

We no longer have any flowers on the other side.

On the other side you must make do with what you know.

And they are my flowers.

Do you see?

And that is truly the feeling of universal being one; if the masses absorb my feeling.

If there are hundreds and thousands of you present, then I would have to give more inspiration.

I gave you too much here some evenings.

The human being cannot deal with that.

I do not intend either to always remain in that cosmos, because you do not know your questions and your character traits for society, for your astral life.

(The sound technician gives a signal.)

You see, it has happened again.

(Someone in the hall): ‘Gosh.’

You must begin.

And this is also cosmology.

We did everything first, gave everything, and then I said to myself: now I will wait and see.

I must give lectures in The Hague for master Alcar about the cosmology.

Not here, here I must answer your questions.

But I can make those questions as deep as the cosmology in The Hague.

And then these evenings will be of more use to you than the evenings which you get in The Hague, even if they are amazing.

Do you see?

See you later.

Until we meet again.

(To the hall): Is there anything else?

We have to leave again.

(To someone in the hall): Did you not have anything this evening?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, I can barely process on earth, like this in the daily life with all those difficulties, I can barely process, process this spiritually, can I?

Where does that development lie now?

You want the good, don’t you?

You want truth.

You would want to give your blood and your life and your heart to the people if you could convince mankind by means of that.

You want that, and you can do that, and you are capable of that.

And if you ...

You want that, don’t you?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.’

If I have to go to the stake this evening with André and the inquisitor comes in, and we must burn this evening, will you go with me?

(Lady in the hall): ‘I still cannot say that, master.’

Do you still not know that now?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Maybe I would dare to do it.’

Maybe, that is no use to us.

If you say ‘maybe’ ...

Do you see?

You ask me ...

If you want to live in the ‘maybe’ and the ‘probably’, then the calm will not come to you.

You must know, want to know, and be able to do everything.

Then the simplicity will enter you, and then you will be carried through your life and the universe.

And now it is no longer difficult.

Do you know what is difficult?

To ensure your food and your drink.

The human being must eat and the human being must sleep.

Every child, every little animal has the right to a natural sleep.

Do you see?

Society has still not been built up.

But behind this there also lives: if you help the human being too much, then you spoil the human being, then you destroy the human being.

You must get everything from the human being.

So the human being will and must work and serve for himself, or otherwise you destroy that personality.

The more difficult it is, the more beautiful the human being ‘beyond the coffin’ becomes.

Because that all becomes possession.

Doesn’t it?

Life is beautiful, life is simple; if you understand it.

Is there anything else?

(Lady in the hall): ‘What I mean, master Zelanus: in order to bring the human being to these teachings.

Look, sometimes people come, they come to talk with me.

I tried to give the people the books ...’

And they do not want the books.

(Lady in the hall): ‘ ...whatever.

And then you have almost won over those people, and then they always want to come to you again.’

And then they walk away.

(Lady in the hall): ‘And then I think, look ...’

Yes.

Did you think that we ask whether you are happy, or not happy now?

Would your thoughts not be different?

Are there not people amongst you who think: that man is crazy and insane?

(Someone in the hall): ‘Yes.’

And we just continue.

We have to ...

If you do that, you must talk against that insanity.

We have nothing more to lose.

We want to give everything.

But Christ does not even want it!

Everything has been devoted.

And now it is becoming simple.

Do you see?

If you are open, and you have something to give to the human being, then you do not need to look for that human being, because that human being comes to you.

This is awe-inspiring, that there is this number of people here.

Because we now achieve ... only one human being amongst the hundreds of thousands is prepared, who is prepared and has the feeling in order to thirst, in order to get to know himself, God, Christ and the universe.

The development, the personality of the human being is only seven seconds old.

Mankind still has to begin with the spiritual awakening.

There are still no conscious foundations laid for your spirit on earth.

They are still not there.

Yes, you will get them now!

But society, the university, the psychologist does not know any death, does not know any astral personality.

What will mankind do with André if the universities have to accept us soon?

We do not want to experience that, neither does André, because we will be ripped apart.

We will no longer leave the house, he will no longer leave the house.

If mankind knew: the divine spatial conscious being ...

You can get divine answers from me, because I go to my sphere, to my space, I go higher and higher.

That order will never leave me alone, if I must get a divine answer, that answer from the Divine All is in me in only a thousandth of a second.

Do you see?

And then you serve, then you are conscious, and then you continue.

Then there is nothing more which disturbs you, because you start to know.

Do you see?

André can also think now: what must I still do for these unconscious masses?

Now he starts to suffer, we suffer, for the poverty of mankind.

Yes, we do not do that on the other side.

But if you are on earth and you walk there, you can do everything ...

But for him there is a halt.

Society is not ready for him.

Do you see?

And now you can let the universities come; we are ready.

But we cannot lose the divine spatial wisdom.

And that is the pain of the human being here, also for André.

Did you have anything else?

(To someone in the hall): Yes.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, when Gerhard the coachman reached awakening, then he drew strength from the prayers which André had sent up for him.

But if Gerhard had now come back to the embryonic stage, so did not have a sphere of existence, would those prayers also have had a purpose then?’

Those prayers did not help him either.

Those prayers did not help Gerhard.

But you can pray.

It was only an aura, a thinking of André, like you for your loved one.

You can pray.

But you can ...

Can you feel, we are not attacking that direct praying.

But you demand with praying.

True or not?

You start to ask.

But in the universe no praying question can be learnt, or sent out, because you restrict yourself because you start to ask by means of your prayer.

And you just want: and ‘God’, and ‘Bring father back’, and ‘Why is mother not coming?’

And that just goes on.

Do you see, you demand.

You do not ask if that is possible.

But André sent his thoughts while meditating to Gerhard, and then you can follow the human being.

When the other side ...

When you are true for a hundred percent, and you really start to thirst and you start to long, and you live it up for the systems of Christ and the universe, then a master is instantly beside you.

Because now your life can be used.

People can do something with your life and your personality.

Can you feel this?

But who does that?

Who can do that?

I thank you for those beautiful flowers for André.

And I am leaving.

Our time is over.

Now I will show you how quickly we can say goodbye ...

(It remains quiet.)

Who is this now?

(Hall): ‘Jozef.’

Not yet.

Not yet.

Not yet.

He was almost out of it.

He was still there.

(It remains quiet.)

Now.

Now you know it.

Is it him now?

(Hall): ‘No.’

Why can that not happen now?

He wants to, I want to, and it is not working.

Why is that not possible now?

I am now attuning myself to you.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, you are being held captive.’

Now you must pay attention ...

(It remains quiet again.

Footsteps resound.)

Yes, now it has happened.

Good evening.