Good evening, my sisters and brothers.

(Hall): ‘Good evening, master Zelanus.’

Which of you can begin immediately with the first question?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, master.

You already spoke here a few times about twin souls.

Now I have understood from that that twin souls are the same colour and that they are actually two halves of one whole.

Now that I have followed the teachings of the Rosicrucians, the Dutch society in Haarlem, and they also give similar teachings.

And now it is called cosmic dual-unity there.

And it mentions there that you do not need to be the same as each other, but completely opposite, so that the good characteristics of one partner compliment the bad characteristics of the other partner.

Now I have read the last line of ‘Masks and Men’ about three couples, twin souls.

And now I refer here to Erica and Karel, who are not of the same quality either.

Now my question is this: must that really be like that, or can people be the opposite in the material life, and yet are spiritually one?’

You can ...

I will show you that those teachings of the Rosicrucians are false.

And you will accept that.

In the universe it is not a question of the character traits, but of the grade of life.

Character traits mean nothing; you are that.

Can you feel that?

You will learn that.

What are character traits?

A part, five percent truth, justice, love, benevolence - carrying, carrying, carrying, isn’t it true – that takes you to the spiritual unity.

That still remains character, personality.

But the primal source, the divine core, that is the twin soul.

On the moon you have ...

You received the twin soul, the part of the other life, on the moon.

With the first fertilization ...

Have you felt ‘Masks and Men’?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, indeed.’

Did you make that cosmic journey?

They were written cosmically, did you sense it?

Karel and Erica are material.

You have animal-like attunements as twin souls, pre-animal-like.

There are man and woman, and they both like to steal very much.

So they have attunement and character to theft.

Can you feel this?

You do sports, man and woman run through the life; that is a material attunement, to the character.

Now that still does not say anything for the life, for the actual core.

That state was divided on the moon in the first embryonic life, the human being in the waters, as embryo, as spark stage.

You must go back that far.

So when those Rosicrucians write ‘a part of the character comes together’, that does not mean anything, because that is human possession.

You mastered that.

You learned that.

But that is not the divine core; that has nothing to learn, that lives in you, that is your divine attunement, your divine representation.

And that part, a five percent, gave you another spark on the moon, in that first beginning.

And that part will come back to you one day.

And then that part will possess: character, feeling, for art and sciences, it does not matter, but then you will still have the personality.

Then you have ...

And there in that depth, in that subconscious, even deeper, there is the source which has everything, your part now lives in there.

And people therefore call that twin soul, twin life.

You gave a spark of your life, and you get that back.

You gave it to that other people, and that spark gave it to you, and by means of this new life, a new spark came.

And that divided itself, and by means of this – you will read that in ‘The Origin of the Universe’ – reincarnation came, death, the being born, and the new life.

And you found and had that life next to you, until you experienced the earth as a begin stage.

On Mars and on the secondary planets you already began with destruction, with murder.

You have eaten the human being there, we did that.

So then we already destroyed those lives.

Then we darkened our own harmony – now we reach the divine systems – so, we darkened that harmony.

I have destroyed the life of another.

I broke that life.

And that life would live another thirty, forty years.

Isn’t it true?

I must make amends for that.

And now, from that moment I already go from my life, from my core, from my soul.

Can you feel this?

If that soul has remained pure for the divine harmony, then that life loses me.

And if you want to live in the spheres ...

And if you want to live from there in the spheres and you want to attune yourself to that, then you will feel that one day a deception, a lie, a snarl, a growl, a devastation, is the destruction for yourself, but also for your soul which lives somewhere.

Can you feel this?

Because you are both here on earth, that one of yours probably lives in the world of the unconscious or in America, amongst the people, because there is not one human being on earth at the moment who is free from karmic laws.

Or you would really be connected with your part, your life, your own blood, that is your soul, that is your spirit.

Can you feel this?

So nothing else remains of those teachings by the Rosicrucians, because it lies much deeper.

What the Rosicrucians make of it, remains character, remains the now, that is the now; that is the person who mastered something, and that is the human being.

Can you feel this?

Karel and Erica, Frederik and Anna, higher again, can you feel this?

Frederik says: ‘I will not get married.’

He did not need to get married.

He was married for God.

That was his life, his heart, his soul.

So he did not need to get married.

Only he did not say it in that work, we did not write it.

But you can feel that.

We let you think for that.

You do not need to get married for God.

Do you see?

Frederik already had the astral core in him.

He could have said one or two words, and then it would have been some use to you, then you could have known: where he is going.

But the masks take you – that was a mask for him, a life of feeling, a world, a space – they take you to the spiritual grade of life again.

And this is why ‘Masks and Men’ is growing.

Did you get that from it?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, indeed.’

Thank you.

Just read them ten times: they keep giving you new consciousness.

And then you start to ask, you are talking about the mask: what do I have from Karel?

What do I have from Erica?

What do I have from all those people?

Because you are that.

I talked about that a lot, those books will still live in thousands, millions of years.

When are you Frederik?

Because Frederik is the spiritual human being.

And René is the cosmic consciousness, the awakening for the spiritual self.

Is it worthwhile?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘The first part is extremely difficult, I find.’

They are the masks.

That is not difficult; as long as you read that calmly and let the book speak.

But you want to look behind that.

Do you know why that is difficult?

Because you want to get to know that mask, don’t you?

But that is not possible, because it has been laid down like that, purely as a mask.

Because if we, if Van Eeden was to analyze the mask, then you would not have experienced that development.

People say, you could have written that in one part, but then you would not have experienced that development.

Because you must get the second part, and then the third part, and then those masks are analyzed, they are ripped off.

God is a mask, Christ is a mask, that twin soul of yours is a mask.

Where does this child, that life live?

Do you see?

Deep?

But the Rosicrucians do not have that.

And they did not see that, and they did not experience that, because it still remains frills, it remains earthly, it remains material.

But the divine core lives on the moon, because the moon is the mother for the universe.

With the sun.

On the moon we people got our soul, our divine soul, by means of the planet; when she, the moon, was still an astral spiritual mother.

Because we absorbed a part of her life and by means of that the human existence began.

So not ...

Now the Rosicrucian comes again, the theosophy: ‘We were born from God.’

‘And now we go to God.’

Don’t we?

But we must have the moon.

Do you feel on what kind of wrong track Blavatsky and the others went?

Straight through a darkness.

And if you know the origin of the universe, then you will know all the laws for this universe, and then you can analyze them for yourself.

Satisfied?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Thank you.’

(To the hall): Which of you?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, there is a people living near the Himalayas which is called the ‘Hunzas’.

And those people do not know any disease in the universe.

And they are always all happy.’

There are more peoples on earth, and a few who are happy and do not have any diseases.

(Lady in the hall): ‘And they do not have any diseases.’

That is possible.

They exist.

You have cores of mankind who live there and there and there, and that core, that grade of mankind, it has not been contaminated yet.

They did not fragment themselves.

So you go ...

It is a family, a grade.

That grade grew.

You come back to a father and mother.

And that grade started to grow.

It was attracted.

A grade of consciousness attuned itself to a small mass.

You find more of them in the world, on the earth.

That is really not so strange.

You have them.

Anything else?

(To the hall): Who now?

(It remains silent.)

I am waiting.

(To someone in the hall): Yes.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.

I would like to ask the following: in the ‘View into the Hereafter’ Master Alcar discusses black magic with André.’

Yes.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Master Alcar says there: the magician is served by wretched spirits.’

Yes.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘And they can be unhappy spirits, master Alcar calls them black spirits, for example groups in the Far East who now still have a certain hatred against the European intruder.

And those wretched spirits stay connected to that place, they still do not want to be removed from there.

Now my question is this: have those unhappy spirits completed their cycle?’

You have seven dark worlds.

We call them the hells, but they are not hells.

They are dark, unconscious worlds, in which you can forget until you are like a jellyfish on the beach.

Is that still not enough?

They have completed their cycle.

That is the last grade, which has direct attunement to the animal-like attunement of the earth.

Is it clear?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Just read ‘The Origin of the Universe.’

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, then they must have already reached the highest material grade, mustn’t they?’

They must have reached the highest ...

You mean the physical grade?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Yes, otherwise it is not possible, after all.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No, this is why.

I was confused about that.

I really did not understand that properly.’

The human being who is free from the earth, that human being is free from murder; even if the human being is still animal-like.

But at that moment, when the dying comes, the releasing from the organism comes, from the earth, then the earth lets go of you, releases you.

Nothing holds you back.

And you can ...

You still have cause and effect, because you are in an unconscious world.

And they are then, people call them the hells.

But they are not hells, they are seven different grades in order to reach the consciousness, the spiritual consciousness.

Do you understand it now?

And you also experience that with the character traits.

If you are free, so if you have no one left here on earth, there is no one living here with whom you are involved ...

That means, you knew thousands, hundreds of thousands of lives: how did you experience those lives?

Can you feel this?

So until every murder is free ...

You have been here too long, do you know that?

You have all been here too long.

Just do not get any ideas, because you are all still making amends, or you would no longer be here.

And then you have seven grades as worlds for the darkness.

Just steal, just take part in destruction and violence – can you feel this? – and you will have one of those worlds as attunement.

You will get a clear picture in ‘A View into the Hereafter’, you will also get it in ‘The Origin of the Universe’ – because then master Alcar comes back to that again – and then you get to see it spatially.

It is even clearer in ‘The Cosmology’, but we refer you again there to those books.

Because all those books represent the cosmology.

And that begins with your character; and then with your spirit.

And then you get the wisdom and the law of life explained at a cosmic attunement, and then at the divine attunement.

‘The Cosmology’ gives you the divine explanation for every thought.

Is it clear?

Do you know it now?

Say, say, say yes ...

And now?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master, may I ask you something?

In the third part of ‘The Origin of the Universe’ you describe there how someone, who then lived for the last time on earth, and so is in that other world for good, how he lives there, and suddenly, or gradually, gets the feeling that he would like to return to the earth again.

And then it is said that it is a mercy.

It concerns Bach ...’

You can all ...

It concerns this ...

Your question means ...

(Lady in the hall): ‘But I want to know something about Bach.

Because Bach also feels within him at a certain moment that he would like to go back, would like to experience the reincarnation.

And then he withdraws to the foot of the cross, and then he is told that he will make music for the glorification of Christ.

But when he has done that, then he comes back again into the hereafter, and moans, and is sad, because he has not done his duty properly.’

He had wanted to make it even more wonderful.

It was not possible.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Whilst he was educated for that.’

To that level, to that level.

Beethoven and Wagner and Bach, and all the great ones, they moaned and felt pain and sorrow, because they still remained under their spiritual thinking and feeling.

Because they have that music, their feeling ...

For Christ ... Bach was, and Wagner, the materialization of the universe in art.

Wagner.

But Bach was only fifteen percent in feeling for the spiritual contact for his art, fifteen percent.

And he had wanted to bring a hundred.

That is not possible.

Because, after all, you cannot spiritualize that material, that sound, after all, you cannot spiritualize that with regard to the other side, and materialize it on earth; you do not feel and understand that, after all, do you?

Which vibrations, which sounds does the universe possess?

Of course Bach did not mean that people moan about the Christ so awe-inspiringly by means of his art.

Can you feel this?

Because, the whole drama of the Mattheus Passion is a miserable situation for Bach, because the human being sees and feels and experiences nothing else in that than the destruction on that Golgotha.

And it is not that.

That Christ, that real divine Christ, he felt Bach on the other side, can you feel this?; but he was not able to materialize it on earth.

Because you are all on the other side ...

You have been in space.

A comparison: you knew  thousands of lives.

You also often act at the moment from the life of France.

What do you know about it yourself?

Nothing.

And it is like that for every human being.

You have phenomena, you have a character, you come to earth with a fixed consciousness, but you no longer know anything about the life.

You are all reincarnated.

You had thousands, I can speak of millions of lives, only for the earth, millions.

One life means nothing.

You received an organism more quickly in one grade than in another.

During the first times it went very fast, because we, because the human being did not bring any disharmony.

Then the birth itself came, can you feel this, of its own accord.

Within so many weeks, within so many months you were back again on the earth.

If your grade remained pure during that time, if the grade was pure for the birth, then you went from motherhood to fatherhood, and from fatherhood to motherhood.

And that continued.

You are only just born; what you learn for the world, everything which you learn in the world, has no meaning.

You can do what you want.

Only the feeling for the universe, for every grade of life and law of life, that is divine.

You can do art, everything, sciences, you are a doctor, an academic, a writer, and so on, every task on earth which has direct contact with the material, which therefore means nothing for the inner life ...

And then afterwards there comes: what do you do for yourself, for the universe, for mankind, for nature, for every law of life?

What do you do in the first place for your fatherhood and motherhood?

And now it appears that all arts and sciences have no meaning, because on the other side you are feeling, a grade of feeling, as a human being.

You represent your own divine attunement of feeling.

You are a deity, a part of that All-Source, that All-Light, that All-Life, that All-Fatherhood and that All-Motherhood.

Do you see?

And therefore everything which you do, everything which you learn, has no meaning, because this belongs to the personality and the earth again.

Can you feel this?

A doctor who serves, has to do with the inner life again.

A mother who serves, serves in order to bring the human being to awakening.

And that goes with you.

So everything which you master for the feeling, for the other side, for the spirit, you continue to possess that.

Serving, doing deeds, that is your possession, those are foundations.

But arts and sciences, that remains here on earth.

On the other side you are, in the first sphere, if you have that, then you are at once, instantly, at the same moment you are conscious, you have light.

And now it happens of its own accord.

You must first try and endeavour, every human being, every spark, in order to take you from that unconscious world to the conscious; that is the battle for every human being.

There is no longer a bible.

Life becomes simple, do you see?

It seems difficult, but it becomes simple.

You have nothing more to do with the bible, only with Christ and with God.

And you are that God yourself, and you are the Christ yourself, as a human being.

You have the bible in you, the universe in you, the All-Source is in you, you have everything.

How do you live now?

If you go in harmony, if you go in love, then it happens of its own accord, you evolve of your own accord.

It happens consciously, you go higher and higher perfectly simply.

Is that so difficult?

But people here did not understand what Bach wanted to do.

Because you do not need to moan about the Christ, and it is not a miserable business on Golgotha, because He brought you eternal life.

But the human being stands before his own murder.

Do you see?

And that is the sorrow, and that is the sadness of Bach, that the human being stands before the murder, stands before Golgotha.

Christ sacrificed himself.

‘No’, he says, ‘you murdered Christ!’

And now?

Now you can no longer sing.

Now people sing the Mattheus Passion there, and now everything becomes moaning.

It is a miserable matter.

The Christ in that is one and all sadness, sorrow, deformation.

For what purpose?

Why that sadness and that deformation, while He came from the Divine All to the earth in order to take care of mankind.

What do we do now?

Isn’t it true?

You will do that soon.

You are already busy.

You will all begin, and then you will get that happiness.

Can you feel this?

I must awaken you.

We are on the way to awakening you.

Why?

Because you are a part of my life.

We have millions of lives.

If you, and another, are not in the first sphere, then I will still not be happy.

The Christ is still not happy, because there are still children on earth in darkness.

And what does the bible do now?

What do the churches do now?

Just continue.

What will remain of it?

But it is only this.

That awe-inspiring world means nothing, only you, your feeling, your word, your ‘yes’, your love, your justice, your benevolence, the love, the love, the love.

Do you see?

And you are building, building, carrying.

Give, and you will receive; that’s it.

Difficult?

Is it not beautiful now?

(To the hall): Anything else?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, could you now tell about the Holy Grail, what the actual meaning of that is?’

The Holy Grail?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, in the encyclopaedia it says ...

Then they want those scales ...’

A fiftieth part or a sixtieth part of the Catholic Church.

And something else too.

No more than that.

We do not know any Holy Grails on the other side.

(Lady in the hall): ‘So that has no meaning.’

Yes, meaning for here.

A Holy Grail, a Holy Grail, a Holy Grail ...

Who thought up those words?

Who built up that sect, that life of feeling?

You can already make a comparison with what I am telling you.

What is a Holy Grail?

A kind of sect, a kind of feeling, a religion.

A part of that is from the Catholic Church, a part from Protestantism, a part from sophism, and just mention more sects, and you just give that a good shake, and then you open the lid, and then you see what is left of it; and that is the Holy Grail.

Strange?

(The lady reacts.)

Thank you.

(To the hall): Anything else?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus ...’

A bit louder, because people also want to hear you there.

There is an ‘ear’ (microphone) in the hall.

Over here.

(Lady in the hall): ‘It is a mercy, people say, that if people are in this life, that people do know anything more about their previous life?’

That is not a mercy.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Is it not a mercy?’

Why?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Because otherwise you would go insane from remorse, from everything which you did wrong.’

What does it matter if you know that you committed twenty-five murders before and you no longer do it now?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Then you cannot continue to life, if you ... so ...’

Yes you can.

If you now ...

If I commit a murder now, and I say in five minutes: ‘I got the feeling and the consciousness: I will not do that again’, the murder is gone.

I go back.

Of course you are afraid; we are talking about murder, murder, murder, murder, murder.

And you are afraid of murder.

And just do not do it either.

Do not commit suicide either.

All wrong.

You restrict your future, you restrict your progress, your eternal awakening; you stand still, don’t you, when we start to see this, when we start to see these laws, these possibilities, cosmically.

After all, you get a new life again, you become a mother again, you perhaps become rich, you become a queen or a princess, you have all the means, all the material in the world, you are served, you are received.

Someone on the other side said: ‘I do not consider that murder that bad.

Because I got really beautiful things after that murder and it ...’

Can you feel this?

How deep is the divine justice now?

I recently talked about divine justice, which thousands of lectures can be given about, but then you will no longer understand it.

A murder is bad.

But then we enter the divine law: how deep is God in His love?

Can you feel that?

Yes?

I told you, you committed a murder, two, four ...

Not now; you must sleep tonight.

Not now; you are free from murder.

Do not get a fright.

But you committed that murder, or, I committed a murder.

We all murdered and committed arson, murders, murders, murders, murders.

We ate people, we just cooked them.

And then ... when we got consciousness, and I saw there, it was in Ancient Egypt, then we saw that a vagrant there, someone hunting ...

Someone took away my game; I shot, I murdered him.

And in the next life I was a prince.

Now you must listen carefully.

I had riches, I had possessions.

I committed a murder, and I experience that life as poverty there, misery, in the hills, in the woods.

I attracted that life again myself as a mother, with maternal feeling in me.

Can you feel this?

I got the material organism; you can follow those lives; and it is only then that you experience the laws.

When ...

I saw that, my brother, pupils.

I say: look, you were that, poor, miserable, in the woods, during the night, no house, under the ground.

You committed a murder.

We now go six centuries further, and we enter a beautiful life, in a palace, and we find that soul again, as a prince.

A great deal of possessions of the earth.

And that is the murderer from that life.

Can you feel that God only lets you give birth to the life?

He must first return in the male organism.

In the third grade: that was the first life.

Another life after two hundred years.

After three hundred years another life.

And then he entered motherhood, and it was only then that he could make amends.

That was, that goes back, eight hundred, nine hundred years.

During those other lives he was rich and everything again.

So God – can you feel? – God now lets you only give birth to the life.

That is the justice of a law.

It is not about your murder, about your possessions of the earth, but it is about motherhood.

You get riches, you get possessions.

You even thank God for the murder, if you want to know, if you get to know those laws.

But you do not do it, because you will not violate the life.

It is your own life; it could be your child, it could be your father.

Thou shalt not kill.

That is the law which restricts you.

That places you in the darkness.

But can you feel how deep the divine justice is?

And that this possession is human?

And that you walk in there just like that?

Can you feel this?

And that God does not crown and bless any people, as a queen, as an emperor?

Being a princess, the nobility means nothing; we are only father and mother for the universe.

Those are the laws.

Isn’t it simple?

(To a lady in the hall): Are you sleeping?

(Lady in the hall): ‘No, I was still not finished asking.’

Then we will begin again.

Continue.

(Lady in the hall): ‘If some people in this life suddenly get a flash of what they did or saw before, so clear that you can almost not tell about it, but that you feel it, it is so tangible that ...’

That you know it inwardly.

(Lady in the hall): ‘ ...that you could lay it down as it were.’

Yes, and now what?

(Lady in the hall): ‘What does that mean?’

Then you have experienced a flash from your previous life.

And that is not so simple to record that.

But, you will feel, you carry the feeling, the consciousness of twenty, thirty lives with you.

They are conscious.

You have had hundreds of thousands of lives, they are part of your feeling.

Now we get seven depths of feeling, and the highest, the seventh, the day consciousness in the subconscious ...

Can you feel where that is going?

What is spatial psychology now?

In the day consciousness of your subconscious, you live from that.

And you live in the day consciousness.

And that means nothing.

The day consciousness ...

You can bake bread, and you can do your work, but you live in your subconscious.

You do not learn anything.

Because you do not need to learn anything, you only need to absorb feeling, to do the things more and more rarefied, more spiritually, more beautifully, more harmonically; that is laying the foundation for your spiritual self.

Isn’t it simple now?

If you always do that well, and accept, and you do not fight for another ...

I am not busy serving you, because I serve myself.

Is that clear?

You always and always do everything for yourself again.

If you can receive everything ...

If you become hatred, you get suffering, you get sorrow; if you do nothing back, then you are the spiritual conscious being who lays foundations.

Can you feel this?

If you enter the spheres and you say: I have been so beaten, Our Lord!

Mankind is beaten, but no one is beaten.

Can you feel this?

There is: ‘Those children are so extremely ill’; it is possible, but God has nothing to do with it, no spiritual law, no space, no Christ, you are all that yourself.

Isn’t it simple?

And just do not weep now, and just do not shout now; no one can help you, because you must first be rid of it.

And now you must let that illness run its course, or experience it, but you must be rid of it.

You must go from homosexuality to motherhood.

That child can groan and say: ‘How can God make me like this?’

There are those children in the world, and they weep and shout and moan: ‘How can it be?

How can God be so just?

Is God just?

Is there a God?

I am not a man and I am not a mother.’

But that is a law of nature.

And you must just shout and you must just cry ...

But you must get through it.

God is so loving.

Anything else?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, I mean those flashes, which a person like that gets then.

You say that it does not happen if there is no deep meaning connected to it.

What is the deep meaning of a flash?

And then it is suddenly over and then you know that it is like that.

What is the deep meaning?’

That is a part of your feeling, which approaches the day conscious human part from your subconscious.

And you now absorb that by means of your personal thinking.

Can you feel this?

The personality is speaking here, draws from the deep foundation, the life of feeling – that is the cosmos in you – and feelings come from there.

And then ...

You call that a flash.

And you materialize those flashes.

Or those flashes represent something, mean something, and then they are gone again.

Then you have experienced something from your subconscious, and that is natural, of course, you now have contact with your previous lives.

Can you feel this?

And then just do not go into that, because it is this, this.

Anything else?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Thank you very much.’

At your service.

Which one of you.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Just going back to your previous question, answer.

You spoke about the bible not having any meaning on the other side.

Does baptism and being a member of some religious community or other not have any meaning either on the other side?’

Nothing.

Churches have no meaning on the other side.

There are no churches on the other side; there is only life.

Can you not feel that then?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘That is exactly the way I sense it, yes.’

Well done.

But can you feel again that everything is becoming simple?

You cannot pray for it either.

The human being is afraid here.

I have to, I must always speak sharply.

Why?

This is new, this is new to mankind.

And this seems harsh, but it is not harsh.

But you will feel, we penetrate to the core.

You are finally getting the truth.

You can go over the world; you will not hear this.

There is no one on earth at the moment who gauges that consciousness.

Only the other side can do that.

And you can ask me thousands of questions.

Try it.

Test me.

(To the hall): Anything else?

Where are you?

Do you only come here in order to listen?

(To someone in the hall): Yes, sir.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘A few lectures ago, perhaps three or four, I don’t know exactly anymore, but I wanted to go back to that.

Then you said to someone here: you just continue to live and you pay no attention to anything.’

No attention to the war, no.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No, you were talking about politics; you must not take part in that either.

That is all very well, but I hope that I may say to you, that I think, that you express it wrong for the people to a certain extent.

Because I would have liked it if you put forward more that God longs for the deed from us.

And if we do the deed, then we must still attract so much of the social life, that we will die for a better society, in which we can live as people.

But you did not say that.

You said then, among other things, and I got the impression: do not pay attention to anything, and just live your own little life, as long as you live well.

But it is, it concerns this: if God longs for the deed from us, then we must strive for a better society, mustn’t we?’

Fine.

I told that.

And did you not understand that?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘But perhaps I picked you up wrong.’

You did.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘If I may say so, I think that you expressed yourself wrongly to a certain extent.

I find that dangerous for the people.

That they then just think: well, I will just not take part in anything anymore, I will only just come to the lectures.

And I do not consider that good, to only come here to the lectures.

No, we must do the work.

We must do the work.

And that is the striving for a better society.’

I am, we are ...

You could have followed some three, four hundred lectures here, and I always talk and I always say the same thing.

Then too.

We were talking about society, it was about murders, it was about politics and about all those things, and then I said: do not interfere in that.

The one who took part in politics is still in prison.

God has nothing to do with politics and with that society.

Now you must start to think: what can I do then?

What must I do?

You must not build up any society, because you are in deception, in lies, in destruction, in murder and in arson.

What do you want to achieve in that?

What do you wish to go and do in that?

I mean that.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No.

Is it not our duty, now that we live here on earth, that we get here, how should I call it, a kingdom of God?

We must work for that, mustn’t we?’

Then go and talk to the people and then you say ...

Then you can only say: do you have the bible?

The bible begins with untruth.

You must take the bible away from the people.

Those things then, those wrong things, those untruths, those wrong laws.

And then you go and tell and convince the people that there is a hereafter.

You do not need to do more than that.

Everything which now has material, is rotten and bad, built up by blood, by brutalization.

And I keep our, my children, my pupils, out of that.

They must not interfere in society; that is destruction.

And do you want to have me in that, and the people too?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No.’

That’s it.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘But in one of your books you also quoted that Bellamy ...’

Yes.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘ ...that Bellamy is good.’

Yes.

And what is this?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Precisely.

And that is social too, isn’t it?’

Good.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘And striving for that, and working on that, I think, then we do what God longs from us, that we pass into the deed.

So, I mean for that reason, we are involved in that social life, aren’t we?’

You live in society.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘That we have to strive for a good society.’

My dear child, can you not feel then what I mean?

If you send me, if you send André to the front in order to be a Red Cross soldier, then you serve, don’t you?

Isn’t it true?

Is that serving?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

We do not do that.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes ... ’

We do not take you from those front lines, in order to bring you to a doctor again to make you healthy, and send you away again.

We do not interfere and want nothing to do with that torture.

And what you now see in that society ...

That society means nothing for the other side, although, I speak there, only for fatherhood and motherhood.

You only just have to live for your being a father.

Finish that task.

And now talk with regard to the spiritual, divine laws.

You do not need to do anything else.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘What did you mean then with Bellamy?’

Bellamy is good, yes, indeed.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Well, what do you mean by that?’

But Bellamy is the material grade for the social consciousness.

That is a material core.

No more than that.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I mean that.

Then we are allowed to work on that, aren’t we?’

Just do that.

But stay away from everything which society possesses, because you come to lies and deception, you stand before injustice.

You cannot dissolve that now, can you?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No, but, wait a moment.

If we go into the spiritual life, as we are here now, then we must live that out, mustn’t we?

And if we live that out, then that urge comes of its own accord, doesn’t it, that we want to strive for a society, in which we can live for and with each other as human beings?’

And how do you wish to do that in society?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘How?

In the best way possible.’

Then you are finished.

Then you just begin with that.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, I am busy with that.

I, for myself, I strive for economic equality.

So I am, in my thoughts, I am busy with that.’

Look, we cannot build up a society.

Why not?

Because the consciousness of your people, your masses, is still unconscious, for the material.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I want to try to make that conscious, yes.’

Good, you can work on that.

But I tell you: it is one and all, a hundred percent injustice, lies, deception.

Can you feel this?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

And you will have to live for five hundred years, if you want to reach a core.

It will not come from your society anyway.

It will come from the other side soon.

Do you see?

You can do that.

Of course.

But do you not feel what I mean?

Do you not feel then that you want to experience, with your speaking, your actions and deeds, the spiritual grade for this becoming conscious?

You want to do that.

I have nothing against that, have I?

You can do that.

But I tell you: your society is unjust.

You will come into conflict.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘This is why I strive for justice.’

You can do that.

But I do not tell the people that they must be unjust, do I?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No.’

That is there ...

That source, that source lives here, you are standing in the middle of it.

And then you can start to think.

What I tell you, that is the spiritual core of the material deed which you do.

I give you the spiritual analysis for your material thinking and feeling, for this society, in which you live.

Is that clear?

Then you have everything, don’t you?

You say ...

You say ‘no’, I mean that.

But I let you see the spiritual awakening, the spiritual justice, the spiritual sensing, the spiritual thinking, with regard to Christ and your deity in this society.

Then you see who is unjust, for that matter, don’t you?

And if you can dissolve that injustice, you do that, don’t you?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, that is correct.’

Well, there is no more than that, is there?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I want to work on that, yes.’

So you must understand me, and I will not say anything else again, but that is the core.

In this chaos, in which you live, there is no spirit from the first sphere, a master, he cannot go and act like a mayor, or a king, or an emperor.

Because that is not possible, we do not do that, because then we have to do with injustice.

We stay out of that.

You will sully yourself.

So you walk through society and you think and you talk; and that is the highest possession which you have.

To represent a task as prime minister here, for you, you can no longer do that if you read those books.

Do you see?

And what do you want now?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No, that is not my intention either.’

No, but what do you want then?

But what do you hope to achieve here as a child, as an individual in the street?

André says: I stand powerless.

I stand with twenty-four books, with my lectures, with my art, with the wisdom, I stand powerless.

And what do you want?

I stand powerless.

I only give you the knowledge.

I do not image that I am giving you something.

I know what I am giving you.

And now you can begin.

And you experience society in this way.

You descend from a conscious thinking and feeling to these unconscious masses, and you say something.

And then you just continue.

You do not take part in those actions; then you are already a child of this time, a child of those masses.

Do you not understand that?

Just continue.

But the Bellamy only wants to lay material foundations for social happiness, and nothing else.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘But we must strive for that, mustn’t we?’

That is very simple.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘If the divine is in us, we must spread that, mustn’t we?’

If you can earn more in this world, you do it after all, don’t you?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

If you did not do it, and you say ‘yes’, if you ...

But the spiritual law would be able to tell you other things.

If you get a wonderful task tomorrow, of five hundred guilders a week, isn’t it true, why would you not do it?

But you have to do with deception there; will you still do it now?

(Gentleman in the hall); ‘Yes, that means ...’

If I just have those five hundred guilders.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘ ... if I can earn it with a dirty ... well, then I will absolutely refuse it.’

Then it is fine.

Do you see?

Then you are busy not participating in that destruction, at the expense of your own possessions.

And now, just go and look at the people, for what the people give themselves.

Did you not know that you can buy the human being for ten guilders, for five guilders?

Christ knew that too, because they had sold Him.

Are you satisfied now?

Not yet.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, to a certain extent, but ...’ (laughter)

Yes, but I remain ...

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘ ...I am not completely satisfied.’

If you cannot feel that ...

There is nothing else.

Can you feel that?

The others will feel it.

(To the hall): Do you understand this?

(Hall): ‘Yes.’

Talk to these people.

I cannot dwell on this.

Because I give you the core, the law.

And it is very simple: you go and take part in social building up from your life.

Isn’t it true?

Other people do that, don’t they?

And there are some ...

(Gentleman in the hall talks through it.)

Yes, wait a moment.

If I speak, you keep quiet, and if you speak, I am silent.

There are millions of people busy, honest and good, for social consciousness.

There were millionaires on earth and they served the masses.

Do you see?

It is possible.

And, do you not understand this?

What else do you want to know?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No.

To know?

I only want to have this.

You say, the people understand it.

Then I hope that they understand it as I mean it, that we must not stand still ...(inaudible) build an own life, no, on the contrary, it is our duty to work on the building up of a new society, in which we can live as people.’

Only for ...

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I only mean that the people must understand that then.’

Only, child, for the good.

These children want nothing to do with that chaos, that destruction, that rotting unjust.

Do you still not understand it?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, I understand that.

But I would go on with this again ...(inaudible), but then I will be going on for too long.’

Far too long.

But you can understand that in two seconds.

I say it clearly to you ...

(To the hall): Is it clear?

(Hall): ‘Yes.’

And you do not feel it.

Now you take the time to get into that.

Or you say: ‘I do not understand you.’

Then I accept it.

Then I will ...

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘It is possible that you do not understand me.

I do not know that.’

Then I will go back, and then I will prepare myself during that fortnight in order to understand you.

Can you feel this?

But I understand you.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘But I mean well in any case, you know.’

I know.

I know that.

I can see that.

And that is true.

But I want to keep you from that unjust source.

You do not need ...

(Gentleman wants to say something.)

Keep your mouth shut again. (laughter)

You do not need to sully yourself by means of that injustice, that destruction, those lies.

There are millions of people, who are now in prison, they must get out; but those ones there, whom you serve for, they must go in.

And do you now want to go and serve for that?

That is all social feeling and thinking.

The whole of your society, the whole of your people, as core, as consciousness, is rotten and bad, even if we write in ‘The Peoples of the Earth’ that your people possesses the highest consciousness, for Europe.

And that is true again.

But you must start to learn to think.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Precisely, society is bad and rotten.

But we must point to that precisely, to those causes, by means of which that comes.

I mean that.’

But I am saying that.

I say: you start to talk from your source.

And you say to the people and society: that must happen like that, and not like that.

You do not need to do anything else, do you?

And I already said that five minutes ago, when I began, and then you did not understand it.

(Lady in the hall): ‘We still have so much work on ourselves, so how can we improve society?’

No, but look ...

I told you in the beginning: arts and sciences remain on earth.

You will soon go from society.

And that society means nothing for the other side.

It only just concerns a bit of happiness.

But that happiness also lives there now.

Can you feel this?

I was speaking about material karma.

It concerns future consciousness.

I was talking about physical karma, spiritual karma.

That means: if you do not have the feeling in order to act the banker, lawyer, a doctor, then you must master that study.

But you will not make it.

You do not have a head, people say.

No, you do not have the consciousness for that material.

So you begin with yourself.

And the more you begin with yourself, the more society comes to becoming consciousness with you.

But you do not need to go and look.

This child wants that, but we will not do that, we let the life come to us.

We do not go and look for the human being in order to convince the human being, the human being comes to us.

We find a needle in a haystack, in your sea of life.

And then one child finds ...

Amongst the millions of people on earth there is one who shouts and asks.

That child calls me.

That child sends it to the universe.

You say pray.

Praying, I said, does not help either.

No, not for dying, not for those laws, not for those laws.

But if you need help, you can pray, you can ask.

And then you do not need: ‘Father’ and ‘Father’ ...

But if there is in your prayer, the Our Father: ‘and lead us not into temptation’, and you pray one Our Father after the other, that does not help you, because then you already come to the destruction in your thinking.

Your thoughts do not go any higher than the inspiration which the prayer possesses, the feeling.

But if you think seriously and you live in strife, in sorrow, in suffering, and you have ...

You are therefore free inwardly, and it is possible, then there is, at the same moment there is already feeling in you.

That is the source, the All-Source.

That steers you immediately.

You do not need to have a master who inspires you.

If we must start to speak, if that master is needed there, and that master is necessary.

Because now, André could not have been able to begin with it; we must do it.

But if you as a human being want to experience happiness, love, everything, outside of the mediumship, then you will get that irrevocably, or something is restricted in you, and that is your karma.

Can you feel this?

And you can go on like that.

Further and further, deeper and deeper, and deeper.

And then you are released, then you are released from the bible, from the Last Judgement – God does not damn – and thousands and thousands of untruths, Adam and Eve, and so on.

Then you are not in the bible, but you come outside of the bible, and you experience the divine laws, by means of which the human being was born.

And in this way you are ...

And in this way you are released in Mother Nature.

You must let go of the earth.

Do you see?

But if you want to serve at a spiritual attunement, then you do not interfere with these dark matters in which you live.

Are you looking at the human being?

Oh no.

Are you just looking at that?

No.

Can I do something there?

No.

Because deception stands before you.

What do you want?

To serve?

To talk?

You do not reach those people.

You must really turn your society, your parliament, your universities, you must really be able to turn them upside down, you must destroy all those foundations, and then you lay down yours.

Is that possible?

So you live now, you talk ...

When you meet the human being, then ...

I do not understand that the human being still interferes with material building up.

Even if you live in the ground, under a surface, if you possess the consciousness as man and woman, then you have the highest happiness of the universe, and God and everything, and the earth too.

Because it does not lie in material consciousness.

If you live well – can you feel this? – and are pure, are just, and that child is sick and it is a karmic disease, what do you wish to change then?

I said a moment ago ...

You do not think ...

Go through the murder, through the diseases first.

There is not one human being on earth who does not live in cause and effect and karmic laws.

If you have troubles, your man is not good, your wife is not happy, you are beaten and kicked, then you live in karma.

And it is like that.

Do you not earn enough?

That is the material psychology.

Do you not earn enough?

Do you envy that man there, that doctor, or that lawyer, or that banker, who is so well-off?

That banker?

If they earned it by means of truth, if they really earned it, then it is wonderful.

But you do not have it?

Then you will have to master that material consciousness.

Can you feel this?

Must ...

You want ...

The  Bellamy says that and that and that.

But in ‘The Peoples of the Earth’ it says: soon you will get the kingdom of God.

If the human being, the masses ...

If no more war is necessary, no more fear, then your gold can be used for houses, palaces for the human being.

Later you will not need, later in a thousand years the human being will not need to do anything anymore, because atomic energy will do everything.

You only just need to still eat and drink and to look at the laws, at the life of God.

Can you feel this?

But that will happen of its own accord.

Anything else?

That is very deep, but very superficial.

The material life is very naïve.

Your Amsterdam, and a city, is awe-inspiringly naïve, childishly naïve, stupid.

Can you feel this?

People throw it into the universe, but people forget ...

People get everything materially intended.

This is why I say: tell the human being about the life ‘beyond the coffin’; and you will have conquered thousands of cities and social consciousness.

You rise out above that social feeling and thinking, when you say there is life ‘beyond the coffin’, you come back.

You do not need to do anything else.

That becomes the material building up.

Let those material attunements, those people, do it themselves.

You bring much more.

Do ...

Is that not true?

You bring the spirit.

You let the human being speak.

Do you see?

Be a master.

But do not take part in those low things.

On that subject we say: do you want, do you want ...?

If the human being asks: but you can take that soldier from the line  and take care of him, can’t you?

You have love, don’t you?

No, we will not do that.

After all, we no longer begin with a task which people shatter and destroy, do we?

We want nothing more to do with torture, with unjust, unconscious thinking.

And if you always make sure, in your material, whatever you do, to get the just harmonic core from that, then you already live spiritually.

And that is spiritual, social, material thinking and feeling.

That is a thousand times higher than the human being who makes a fuss for society, in order to change that society some day.

For whom?

For what?

Change your spirit.

Because you no longer have a society ‘beyond the coffin’.

Life now becomes very simple.

Because, you do not meddle in that destruction.

Go through life, and sing and laugh, be enthusiastic and be happy; even if you are sick, even if you are beaten, even then, you are yourself.

Is that not a thousand times higher?

(Someone in the hall reacts.)

Thank you.

(To the hall): Is there anything else?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, master Zelanus, may I ask another question?’

You can ask so many questions, because these people do not ask me anything.

(Lady in the hall): ‘But as far as you are concerned, do you consider that bad?’

Me?

(Lady in the hall): ‘I mean ...

‘Yes.

You say, continuing with karma, that we do not meet any human being in the life whom we have not met in previous lives too.

Now you talk for us once a fortnight; did you also meet us in all those other lives?

I wanted to ask you that.’

There are people here ...

There are people living here ...

There is one mother of mine, and a brother and a sister, they are sitting here in this hall.

And then we must go back twenty-eight hundred years, they are here, and they have already been following me for years.

And I do not look at the mother.

I am good, and I look.

I have forbidden André from saying anything, do you see?

On the other side my mother is a law.

And if I do not love that law, then I cannot reach my mother, and my father either.

I have nothing more to do with those lives.

Now, in what I am now, that is the absolute.

But there are more people here, also from André, and also from you ...

I could tell you: child, your soul, your life is sitting there.

But that life now belongs to another.

And that is not a man now, but that is also a mother.

And that mother goes back in order to get the child-like male consciousness, and then that soul will come, soon, so in so many years’ time, to you in the spheres, and then your life will stand before you.

Yes.

Yes, we can tell you those things, but then you will no longer live.

If you know all of that from the past, then you will forget the now.

And it is this.

Even if you live in sorrow, even if you live in suffering, even if you are beaten, this is the absolute.

Because if you had nothing to do with people, then ...

The people whom you love, have deceived you, have beaten you, but you have to do with those people.

And it is only from here that the actual source rises out, as long as you do not hit, as long as you do not deceive.

That is therefore spatial certainty.

You can be beaten, you can have suffering, you can have sorrow; it means nothing to us, because you live, you are here.

And anyone who does not understand you: talk.

If they do not want to listen: keep quiet.

Until the soul starts to ask.

Isn’t it simple?

And what else is there here from me?

(Laughter in the hall.)

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, if the parents get no more than two children ...’

If the parents ...?

(Lady in the hall): ‘ ... get no more than two children, then is that in order to keep the grade going?’

Yes.

(Lady in the hall): ‘But is it now because those children must make amends to the parents, or must the parents make amends to the children anyway?’

If father and mother get two children, then that is making amends, or it is serving.

After all, there are also fathers and mothers in the world who are finished.

André is here now, he was – I will come back to your question – he was in the first sphere.

This life comes from the first sphere and became Jozef Rulof.

But before that this life was called Dennis Lefton.

It was in London.

He was an astronomer.

An astronomer who went to pieces with the universe.

And now Dennis Lefton knows, and André, and Dectar, they know the space.

Even if we cannot tell that to science yet, you have it.

So that Dennis Lefton continued.

Now we could attract those children ...

But there is nothing more to attract for us, for him, because he is free; and then you cannot attract anything more either.

The child which André got, only experienced the birth and the attracting, and went back.

He had to accept that.

So you can serve.

We served.

So there are fathers and mothers living for themselves in order to return, but also in order to serve, in order to ... that grade ...

You are a mother, you have the organism, so: you can become fertilized by the creator, and you can also serve, you give life to a soul.

Now that is a shame, and now that is terrible, you are not married, or you are not this, but soon it will be the most necessary thing ...

In a hundred years’ time, seventy-five years’ time, when the direct voice instrument is finished and the masters speak, can you feel this, then the masters will lay the foundations for the University of Christ.

But then every mother must give birth.

Married or not married: give birth.

Because that is the very highest, the most divine law which there is.

Can you feel this?

And if you experience that here in society, then you are not a mother, but then you are a slut, and you are black, and you are dark; because you are not married.

Can you feel this?

Everything will soon go overboard, only yourself will remain.

Because your ‘yes’ remains ‘yes’ eternally.

And your ‘no’ remains ‘no.’

Do you see?

Do you have to be recorded, the human being, does a human being has to be ...

Society must record you by means of your name, you are married, but not for the universe, you experience a law, a karmic law.

You have to make amends to and serve the life, and reach awakening for yourself.

Can you feel that the spiritual law, the spiritual justice stands next to, but above the material justice?

That is all fear, of course.

Because the human being cannot be trusted.

So we got material laws and they are still necessary.

But then later your word is law.

And you are mother and father; now giving birth.

Do you see?

Then people will say there: say, go and give that little mother a child.

And then it is pure, that is the highest happiness.

And now, for your society?

If you say: that is bad, and that is dirty, and that is filthy, and that is destruction, then for God that is immaculate, pure, serving, motherhood.

Can you feel this?

We do not know any being bad, any being dirty, any devastation, any destruction in that.

If the child is born, and you, and that child ...

A girl has a child, a girl is seventeen, eighteen years old; is a slut for the world.

And for God she is immaculate and pure.

Can you feel this?

That must all go.

And that is your society, that is still unconsciousness.

You still just live in a material obsession.

People do not trust you.

People do not believe you.

Why?

Because millions before you left the mother alone with the children.

The father must do that, and do this.

They are material laws.

Now the spiritual, then the cosmic, then only the divine.

Beautiful?

(To someone in the hall): Did you have anything else?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, does nothing remain then of those love ties between mother and child?’

If I say you ...

Does nothing remain of mother and child?

But there are mothers who do not want to lose their child, aren’t there?

But there are no children.

Where are we going?

What are you learning here?

All those mothers ...

There are millions of fathers and mothers, those are your children.

I am yours, you are mine.

I am a child.

Can you accept me as your child?

Can you love me just like that, at a hundred percent, like the child which was born in you?

You must do that.

(Lady in the hall): ‘I cannot do that.’

What did you say?

(Lady in the hall): ‘I cannot do that.’

No, you must.

You must do everything, you must be able to give birth and to love everything.

André loves everything.

We must love, love all the life; on the other side there is no longer any child, no longer being a child.

After all, you read that in ‘A View into the Hereafter’?

Can you feel how awe-inspiringly immaculate and pure the maternal, the human love becomes?

After all, you still have nothing, you still do not have any love, do you?

(Lady in the hall): ‘I think you are really nice, but I cannot compare it with what I feel for my daughter, my child, can I?’

What did you say?

You love me?

(The audience laugh warmly.)

But you do not love me as much as your child.

(Lady in the hall says): ‘But that is not possible, is it?’

And you must.

Look, my child, I must have more love from you, because I deserve more.

I have more consciousness than your child.

On the other side you have the love for the higher consciousness.

If your brother, your sister, your child is there, then you will have to give me everything, because your child has not yet earned it.

And we do not have that child, but we have millions of people whom we will serve.

We must love everything.

So you enter universal love; you are just talking about human love.

And then you get the spiritual love, then you get the cosmic love, the spatial love, and then the All-Love.

(To the lady in the hall): Do you love me a little bit? (Laughter.)

(Lady in the hall): ‘Very much.’

We are earthly, we think earthly, we think materially, we think spiritually, we think cosmically, we can think divinely.

Why?

Because we love on earth, we have a task to fulfil.

He had to get through that thinking.

For him ...

You can ...

People who know him ...

Ask her it, the girl from Vienna.

Did he ever refuse his love, to any person?

Of course, the human being can ask things, you could ask me things which I cannot do.

Then we enter the rights of another human being.

But he is open.

Or you stand still.

You must be completely open to everything.

We love.

And now it comes down to it whether we can help you.

Do you walk in that grade, in that life, in that state?

No, you do not get it.

No.

No.

No.

No.

Yes, I can help you with that.

Do you see?

Because you must first go from those states, those unconscious worlds, those harshnesses.

But here you love your child.

And that is simple, because this blood is your blood, and constitutes one consciousness.

But it is so great, so great, so deep, it is only so deep.

Can you feel this?

Because you must be able to love mankind; and then the universe, every animal, every flower, every tree, everything, life, night, light, clouds, the lightning and the thunder.

Everything was born through you.

Did you know that?

And you must love that, you let that live.

And that speaks to you.

Can you feel that consciousness?

And then that love; it is spatial, it is kind-hearted, just.

And then you are carried.

See you soon.

We will meet each other in that space.

(To the hall): Is there anything else?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, master Zelanus.

You said a fortnight ago, that someone who experiences an accident because of his own carelessness, commits suicide.’

I said: when a human being is careless, isn’t it true, and a human being has to experience his nerves, and he does not see where he is walking, then that is carelessness, isn’t it?

That is a participation in suicide.

So that is not conscious suicide, but that is walking a path which was not created by God, but by yourself.

You must watch out in this society, or you will take part anyway, because of your nonchalance, because of your carelessness, you will take part in that suicide.

And then you experience ...

And then you go into the ground.

Can you feel this?

Your body goes into the ground, but you now walk in a sphere, a sphere of light.

But you are not there.

Because you are lying there.

And you still live for twenty years.

We will say that you come to the other side, don’t you?

But you go back into the world of the unconscious, then it immediately dissolves.

Then you must be born again.

So ...

And what does that dissolving want to give, grant to you?

You go ...

I connect you with two laws, with the conscious law on the other side, and then you experience that you are there ...

For example, you are in the first sphere, aren’t you?

And you are run down by a tram, a car, because of your nonchalance, carelessness.

Because it did not have to happen.

Then you have a share, then you have got attunement to suicide by not thinking carefully; so that is not conscious suicide.

And then you come to the other side, and then you are walking there, and then you are walking in that sphere, you see that sphere, and yet you do not see anyone.

Because you are too soon on the other side.

But you are not attached to that rotting.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Oh yes.’

But now you must, I told you, now you must go back to the world of the unconscious; and what do you experience now of that rotting?

Nothing.

But why not?

Do you not know that?

Have you read all those books?

Which one of you knows it?

(Someone in the hall): ‘Because it is not a conscious suicide.’

Because ...

No, it is not that.

Because it is not a conscious suicide.

No, now we remain in that world of the unconscious.

Now you experience, you undergo a law which jumps forward, comes forward.

Which law is that?

(Lady in the hall): ‘In order to come back again.

In order to repeat that life.’

Yes, in order to come back.

But it is not that.

Do you know it?

Do you not know it?

(To someone in the hall): You?

How little those people are learning.

(People talk at the same time.)

What did you say?

(Lady in the hall): ‘In order to make up for the years that you passed over too soon.’

No, no, no, no.

Do you see?

Now, you can feel that, you can experience that.

It is not so simple to learn to think.

Just do not be shocked.

Because it is really not simple.

But you know it.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Cause and effect.’

Not that either.

I present you with a problem.

Just ask the theosophists and the Rosicrucians about it; they do not know it.

But it is very simple.

You say: hey.

I will tell you it: because you are falling asleep, do you know that?

Are you not shocked?

Because you are falling asleep.

You are falling asleep, and then you know nothing about the rotting.

Isn’t it simple?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Of course.’

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, how must it be otherwise?’

Now you must, if you, if you, now you must ...

Do you want to develop, and learn to think?

If you are over a bridge, then do you always just go back again here on earth?

If you are over the bridge with a spirit, then you must never go back into the same thing again.

I said, if you are conscious – to her – if you are conscious, then you live ...

On the other side, you see people, and you do not see them.

You see them, but they are hazy.

Why?

Because you still have attunement to earth.

Yes, it seems nothing, you feel nothing, but you are still in an uncertain, unconscious world, because you have not yet completed the dying, you have not yet completed your life.

You have not yet used your aura.

Can you feel this?

So you lack that aura.

And also like the body, when the rotting has gone, then you still do not get that, because then the life span keeps you captive on earth.

And when the actual time comes, then you get as it were – you therefore walk consciously in sleep on the other side – and then you get that, that strength is sent, and you become walking awake as it were.

You are awake, but you are asleep.

And to now connect that with a reality on earth.

Where doe we find those states now, where the human being is asleep and yet is awake?

Where does this live?

You say again: hey.

(Lady in the hall says something.)

What did you say?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Insanity.’

You see, insanity, psychopathy.

That is being asleep and yet being awake.

That is sensitive and it lives, it is unconscious.

Can you feel, can you understand how just everything is, but how amazingly interesting and wonderful?

That you can bring everything in creation back to the human being?

(Lady in the hall): ‘So that child is born then.’

What did you say?

(Lady in the hall): ‘That child from that suicide is attracted ... (inaudible) again then.’

You are, you are now bringing me at once to the child which is born.

But which child?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, I am saying that.’

Yes, but I also involve that psychopathy.

Now you are suddenly jumping into another law again, but that is not to do with this.

I only just took a comparison, laid a foundation, in order to prove that.

Whether that madman, or that crazy person experiences the reincarnation, that is obvious, that is reincarnation.

And I am not talking now about in what consciousness that is.

So you must ...

On the other side we remain with one law of life ... we go on for a hundred years.

You become ...

We have ...

You ask, you ask the question on the other side: how can I now, how must I be born in the harmony?

What do I have to do for that?

And do you know where we will go then, in order to answer that question cosmically?

Then we can go on with your question for a thousand years.

And that question connects us to every law of life, new birth, fatherhood, motherhood, one planet with the other planet, to, back, back to the moon.

You can go on for a thousand years, with one question.

And every question of yours connects me with the universe.

You can get an animal for the animal-like, for nature.

A flower, a tree, here in your Amsterdam; where was that soul ten million years ago?

A tree.

But now the human being, the animal.

Place me before a tree, and I will tell you where that soul originated and where we have seen that soul, that spirit and that material before.

That aura ...

A tree has an own aura, a flower too.

And that aura connects me with the old age of the present.

(To the hall): At the origin of creation did the human being have, did the human being have a conscious aura then?

(Hall): ‘No.’

What did you say?

(Hall): ‘No.’

No conscious aura?

(Someone in the hall says something.)

What did you say?

(Someone in the hall says something.)

In the beginning, at the beginning of creation did the human being have a more conscious aura than now?

(Hall): ‘Yes.’

Why?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Because he was still completely pure.’

That came from God.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, of course.’

And now the human aura ... decayed, we may not say.

No.

The human aura does not radiate consciously, and still does not have any consciousness.

Because every truth and character trait which is spiritual, radiates conscious living aura.

Is that clear to you?

(Hall): ‘Yes.’

So do good, love, be gentle, be true, and you will build, you will radiate aura which will go straight to the first, the second, the third sphere.

If you think about someone in a pure core and in love, then you immediately feel where that intelligence, where that being is too.

That is the universal contact by means of truth.

On Sunday you will get divine truth.

How do you think?

What do you wish to achieve by means of your thinking?

Then you are shocked.

Are you true in thinking, in feeling, in acting?

(To the hall): Is there anything else?

(The sound technician gives a signal.)

We are being warned.

(To someone in the hall): Over there.

Yes, sir.

Yes, my friend.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, I want to ask you: how far may the human being let himself be dominated?’

What did you say?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘How far may the human being let himself be dominated?’

I will give you an answer, my friend.

You do not let yourself be dominated, for truth, marriage, harmony, justice, by anyone outside your house.

Not in your house either.

Is that clear?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

A human being who squeezes himself into the heart of your life, in yours, in society ...

There are people, for example, who are loving, who are harmonic, but they enter your heart.

And they go so far that they completely tear you and her, and she and him, apart.

The people do that, and they say: we must be harmonic.

People break the possession.

People take away the possession of the human being just like that.

Never ever go ...

André always says: I will not go into you, because I do want to be involved with you.

And that is the highest love which you get.

He never goes into the possession of yours.

You cannot do that anyway, can you?

So the human being who attunes himself materially, spiritually to the possession of the human being, in order to build up and to create harmony in there, that is a demonic carry-on.

You must immediately banish that.

There are people, I have known followers – I have seen those lives – who thought they could bring and give harmony by taking away the woman somewhere and leaving the man alone; and people call that happiness.

Is that serving?

Is that brotherhood?

Is that fatherhood?

Is that sisterhood?

What kind of domination is that?

In society, in your society these are the greatest problems which there are.

But a human being who reads the books and accepts the other side, he stays away from the possession of another person.

Is that fair?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, I think so.’

And that human being is destructive, is darkness, if the human being goes into other lives and flings those lives apart; in order to serve one life and to deform the other.

Is that clear?

From now on you will all not let, and for whoever that is, you will not let yourself be dominated, or you will see: the devil is, destruction is busy here.

Do you understand?

You do not need to let yourself be dominated, if it is for the wrong; you can let yourself be dominated for the good.

I will tell you this: that is domination.

I am connecting you with those laws.

My friend there says: yes, but you said that, and you promised that, and the human being cannot understand that just like that.

I say: the spiritual law is the most certain.

The human being now, for society, who squeezes himself in there, into the possession, onto the possession of another, he has attunement and gets attunement, no matter how good and how loving you are, he gets attunement with the Land of Hatred; because it concerns own enjoyment, own possession.

Is that clear?

And anyone who lives in that, he refuses to accept that.

It is remarkable that the human being ... me, precisely from society ...

For example ...

You do not dare that, probably, the problems are not there.

But marriage is the most wonderful possession for the earth.

But the being alone is even greater; alone, you do not experience any laws now.

That you can speak and that you can serve each other, and that you can finish each other, finish one life with each other, that is becoming conscious.

Can you feel this?

And if you are married, and if there are children, then you finish that life together.

And then no one must enter there, because this is your life and not of another.

A spiritual personality can dominate with goodness, with truth, with justice, but never ever in order to build up one life and to destroy the other one.

We call that demonic carry-on.

Is that clear?

I am speaking to you and to society.

But you will understand: harmony is loving what lives.

But you keep your hands off the possession of another.

You can serve ...

When I ...

When André ...

André gives and gives and gives and gives, but he wants nothing to do with you.

Not your goodness, your love?

Yes, indeed.

We appreciate it, we go into that, but we let you think, feel and experience in your own grade.

Can you feel this?

So we try to bring you to the awakening, but you must do it yourself.

But we do not interfere with: must you do that like that?

Must you do that like that.

What do you think of that?

That is up to you.

Have you ever heard that I placed an urge, a thought on your lives, and forced you to do that and that?

You must try that yourself and want that yourself.

Because then it becomes your possession.

Did you have anything else?

(Something is said.)

Good.

My sisters and brothers, I am going.

See you next time.

I thank you for the flowers, also for André.

The evening has passed quickly.