Good evening, my sisters and brothers.

(Hall): ‘Good evening, master Zelanus.’

Before I begin with answering the questions, I have something for you.

At least for my followers who do not yet have that ‘Jeus II’.

I earned fifty books through one of my followers from The Hague.

I may hand them out.

André got them and André gave them to me.

I say to André: ‘I want to have them.

Because I want to give them to the human being, to my children who do not have the means to buy ‘Jeus II’.

Those who do have the means ...

Of course, you want to have that book.

Because now you will cry.

You will ...

Do you weep because of ‘Jeus II’?

(Someone in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Now you will weep.

Which of you is not capable of buying ‘Jeus II’?

It is put harshly.

You do not need to be ashamed.

You will also get an orchid from me.

One, two.

Who else?

Yes.

Three.

Just put your hand up, what does it matter?

Four.

Who else?

What a few.

I have a lot more of them.

Four.

(The man from the library asks): ‘Master Zelanus, may I have a copy for the library?’

You will get two of them.

Five, six.

Any more?

Seven.

Have you read part I?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, I have read it.’

Otherwise it will be no use to you.

Seven.

Little mother?

Eight.

Any more?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I want to buy part I soon, perhaps I can also have part II.’

Then you will also get part II.

How far was I, nine or ten?

(Hall): ‘Nine.’

Nine.

You get ...

We are talking about ...(inaudible).

You will also get part II.

Even better.

I have one left; I have fifteen of them.

Ten.

Eleven.

Yes, who cannot do it?

Who is so impudent?

Next time.

Eleven.

You will go to the table soon and then you will get ‘Jeus II’.

Do not forget to buy ‘Jeus I’.

(The gentleman in the hall): ‘No.

Certainly not.’

Thank you.

(People laugh.)

Not you?

Do you have it already?

(A gentleman in the hall): ‘I do not have it yet.’

Why do you not take it?

(The gentleman in the hall): ‘I still want to buy it.’

You will get it from me.

Olaf gets ...

Twelve.

And now the man who wrote to André about his problems.

Where is he?

Is that man here?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘He is here, yes, master Zelanus.’

Look, have you read ‘The Peoples of the Earth’?

(Gentleman in the hall says something.)

It is up to all of you.

You just put that entire and whole problem aside.

You have fought ...

I have many of these children.

You have fought for reality and becoming conscious, but never by means of the sword.

If you had thought about that for a moment there, then you could ...

We also fight, don’t we?

By means of love.

Then you could have known it immediately, and then you could have said: no, not I.

What you wrote, came from your own source, from your goodness, from your personality, from your life of feeling in order to improve the world, to give mankind happiness, love and peace.

You have had thousands of lives and there is something there by means of which that inspiration was built up; you can accept that.

Just put that aside.

Like that.

And then away, and you will begin with a new age.

We can talk about it for a long time, but in those chapters where we analyze the mentality for this time ...

The child of Golgotha, that child can only bring development by means of love, isn’t it true?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘But is that not put on one line, as you write in there, with his sort?’

No.

We mean the unconscious sort by that.

Can you feel this?

They are the people who want to bring evolution completely consciously by means of destruction.

And that other sort did not say that.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No, I was there precisely in order to keep the faith.’

As you felt and thought, millions of people devoted their lives for that.

We are people, we are children who go into the lion’s den in order to die for the good.

But not in order to destroy the life.

If you had felt that for a moment ...

I have many children of mine, who read our books before the war, who were ready, and still thought that they were doing good.

But they were wrong.

André warned them.

‘You must do this’ and ‘You must do that’.

André says: ‘After the war you will get a terrible beating.’

They got a beating.

Now they know that they were wrong.

And they had contact.

André said: ‘Your contact is not right.’

Because the spirits said: ‘Your contact is wonderful, because Adolf Hitler will become the prophet for this mankind.’

André says: ‘It is ridiculous.

How can you believe that?’

But they had contact.

Now, those spirits did not exist, it was they themselves.

Can you feel this?

They did not believe it.

After the war they had to accept this.

But now it is gone, everything is gone.

Evolution.

The human being has attuned himself to the wanting to experience peace and happiness.

But that is never ever possible by means of evil.

Yes, mankind gets the consciousness by means of that, by means of the beating.

Can you feel this?

But the individual must refuse.

The masses are therefore still not that far.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘but as the face was seen by me, and was increased more and more, was that actually an influence then from the other side?’

Look, you got an influence by means of the psychosis, personality, earthly development, so that direct inspiration went out from the earthly masses, the earthly mentality.

The human being had that in his hands.

A being from the first sphere would never have been able to inspire you against Christ.

You mean the Christ.

Those people all meant the Christ and meant well, meant love.

Can you feel this?

Oh well, they thought: order must come there by means of a beating.

Yes, indeed.

Mankind does not want it any other way.

But if you go along, you are the executioner.

Can you feel this?

But the masses do not know any better and are not any further.

So the masses really get the beating.

But Christ does not want that, does He?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No.’

But God does not want that, does He?

That can all happen in calm and peace?

But that is not possible.

We must now, the spheres must now bow their heads, Christ, because the atomic energy is being spoiled again for atomic bombs.

And that is the power of the future, for happiness, for blessing, health and everything.

Do you see?

The human being gets the possession of the masters, from that world.

Because of that the technical wonders were built up, art and sciences; everything comes from ‘beyond the coffin’.

Because under his own power the human being does not come any further, any higher.

You can just accept that.

Every heightened feeling was built up by your father, your mother, and the human being from the prehistoric age, who now possess arts and spiritual sciences.

Isn’t it simple?

So how can you now long to get a higher consciousness, while you walk from dry land into the ditch?

That is not possible, after all.

So a conscious being can never inspire a human being in those things.

But if you come up and you want to give yourself consciously for the masses, you pull a people along, and your life will have meaning with regard to that and this and that and that ...

Now Adolf Hitler had meaning and consciousness with regard to Christ; Kajafas against Christ.

He had to come back.

And when the ‘Age of Christ’ begins ...

When the second world war broke out, the ‘Age of Christ’ had already begun.

Then Christ got the making amends of the human being, through the human being who destroyed Him, who deformed, sullied and struck down the happiness, the peace, the becoming conscious, the love for mankind.

People destroyed the Mentor.

And that human being must come back?

No – you have read ‘The Peoples of the Earth’ – the earth holds the human being captive.

If you commit a murder, you must come back.

And not Adolf Hitler?

Who has murdered the highest?

Consciously?

After all, Kajafas knew that he acted falsely, already betrayed as a human being.

For the human being ...

Violate a human being, violate the animal, and you will have to come back.

You will make amends to that life, you will bring that life back again in a divine harmony.

Is it not just?

And Christ now?

Kajafas with regard to Christ.

So that was called something different, of course.

That came there on earth, precisely in the core which it concerns, the masses of Germany.

Another people would not have been capable of waging war at that and that time.

Germany was.

Do you see?

This is why Germany is also the conscious intellectuality for the people, ‘mankind’, Europe.

If Germany is sick, the whole of Europe is sick.

You can carry that cancer tumour with you, because Germany must come back.

Is that not right, that we write ‘The whole world will soon help Germany’?

‘You will laugh at me’, I also wrote after that.

‘The whole of mankind will build up Germany, because Germany must come along.’

Then I was, André was laughed at.

And now?

And now?

What happens now?

The German soldiers will soon march through your streets again.’

You see, those are prophecies.

They literally came true, down to the last second.

Not too soon and not too late.

But that is all laid down, after all.

If you know the cosmos, the astral worlds, then you can analyze the mentality, the personality as people anyway, in arts, for the faith.

First for Christ.

Now just go to Russia.

What is Russia?

Animal-like carry-on.

China?

Unconscious.

Gives as good as it gets.

From dry land into the ditch.

Other peoples get feeling, have experienced this beating.

Your own people has Catholicism, Protestantism.

I wrote there: ‘Your own people is not capable of acting the soldier, because you would much rather not do it.’

Of course there are still those unconscious souls amongst your people who like to do this.

But how many?

The masses say: please go.

That is your consciousness as a mass, as a people.

This is why we wrote, I wrote: ‘The Netherlands already represent a feeler for mankind for spiritual becoming conscious.’

Because your belief ...

We are not attacking that Catholic faith, Protestantism, but we are taking the mistakes out of that core and are putting something in its place again.

Now the faith becomes beautiful.

Because there is no damnation.

I could have written thirty-five thousand pages from ‘The Peoples of the Earth’, a thousand.

Because then I must analyze your character, then I must analyze Germany for faith, justice, love.

Your people do not lie and deceive like Germany did that.

The protocols which were made with regard to Germany were raped and sullied, but your people still did not do that.

Do you see?

Now that character, this character trait, art, sciences, music.

Then you will feel that mankind as a mass, as a people, possesses a clear human character – so characteristics like an individual also has – and must master, and will then spiritualize.

Is that true?

Do you see how clear it is?

And you get all of that out of ‘The Peoples of the Earth’.

Read it again, and you will see every people.

You can tell exactly what will happen in five, in ten years’ time.

I said there: now look at the yellow danger.

That is the East.

If I should deal with that separately, then I would have had to tell two thousand pages again, and that is not the intention.

It concerns: Christ, bringing the origin of the mankind, faith, Moses, to Christ, to evolution, through evolution, through becoming conscious, to your future, your kingdom of God on earth, the University of Christ, which we now serve for.

You have, mankind only still has to do with Russia and China, a few Eastern peoples.

But you already see, that Eastern is coming to the West, and adapts itself to the West.

Why?

They already know: if I wage war, I will die.

And Stalin, just believe it ...

I only just said in there: he will make the best of a bad job.

And he knows it.

He turns it and is miserable.

Why?

He no longer believes it.

Because that people has been attacked ten, twenty times; and he himself also during that time.

People wakened that people.

‘That animal-like carry-on’, I write, ‘oh, do not waken that.’

You wakened that.

You see now, that is starting to demand.

That is the fault of the West.

If only you had not touched that.

If only the Germans had not done that.

And yet, in the future ...

Now I will tell you something else, then you will see again that it was good and necessary.

Because Russia must go to the West.

And if Russia had not been attacked, Russia would have remained in animal-like attunement, for thousands and thousands and hundreds of thousands of years.

So the human being is attacked in order to elevate him, because the human being must let go of that unconscious.

And that is for a people.

And this applies to this whole mankind.

What did you fight for now?

What did you give yourself, your life, your personality for?

At that moment for nothing, because the individual had no meaning.

Is it clear now?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, master.’

Just lay everything aside.

(To the hall): Which of you?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, we learned: Jesus is God’s son.

But what do people mean by Jesus the son of man?’

You are that.

Jesus the son of man.

Was Christ not a human being then?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Yes.

So Christ was a human being on earth.

Christ as the son of man; so born as a human being by the earthly father and mother.

Have we worked it out now?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Anything else?

(Lady in the hall): ‘No.’

That is little.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, in ‘The Peoples of the Earth’ it says that Jozef, that Adolf Hitler, before he ...’

Jozef Hitler?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Sorry.

That Adolf Hitler isolated himself before he decreed that there was a war with Poland and he did not want to be disturbed by anyone.’

No.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Then he saw different demons in that room of his after some time.

He did not want to see them and he tried to shut himself off in such a way; and he managed that too, that he felt a supernatural silence within him.

Now I wondered: where did that come from?

Because this cannot come from him, can it?’

Yes.

(Lady in the hall): ‘It did, after all?’

Yes.

Yes, my child.

In you ...

If you stand before the wrong and you are also in an animal-like grade ...

You should just ask a murderer that, a conscious murderer.

‘Something inside me said: do not do it.’

That is the divine attunement.

So he knew: I am doing wrong.

And then that silence came.

I myself, I now, not Jozef Rulof, not André either, but I was in Adolf Hitler at that moment, in order to establish that, how he felt; and then the divine core came up.

He also felt something of me, of the masters.

They could tell him:

‘Do not do it.

Do not do it.

Do not do it.’

It would come anyway.

Can you feel this?

The masters on the other side and Christ were powerless before the animal-like carry-on of mankind.

So all those divine personalities on the other side were powerless before Adolf Hitler.

If you want to do wrong, no Christ can, no God can help you.

But something within you says: do not do it.

And that is always the divine protection again.

And Adolf felt that.

Every human being, every animal feels that.

The more you get becoming conscious ...

If you ...

Not the jungle stage.

But if you come to stand before faith, Christ and God.

This is why people say: yes, that Catholic Church and that Protestantism ...

That is necessary.

Can you feel this, we are not destroying that.

The human being says: those masters of Jozef Rulof destroy everything!

No, because if Christ, in whatever way, had not come, you would not have had that grasp, that good, that love in you, and mankind would never have got to know that.

There are faults in that faith, and they must now go.

But that core, that love, for which Christ was born now, which Christ gave everything for, by means of which the universe, the laws originated, that divine core spoke consciously as it were to the personality of Adolf Hitler, to Kajafas.

If Kajafas had ...

After all, he learned nothing during those years.

Between Jerusalem, between the moment that Christ stood before him and this decision ‘I will do that and that’, Kajafas stood before that deed again: the good or the wrong.

He should have bowed, and then the world would have ...

If he could have done that, so Kajafas, as Adolf Hitler, then you would have experienced thirty, forty years of peace.

But then the rebellion would have come because of another one, anyway.

Because the people were not yet ready, the masses were not yet ready.

So the individual can decide for the good.

You see it yourself with your government: one says this, another says: ‘No.

Out of there.

Go there.’

Because sir is now sitting at the table and has the right to speak?

No, his mentality.

And you have laws.

Now the other people say: ‘Oh no, then we do not need you.’

So you are already opened like your people to the good, you already want the good.

But Adolf stood before the Kajafas, and the Kajafas stood before the development of mankind, but the murdering of the love, Christ.

Before the same decision again.

And then Hitler came.

And that was Golgotha.

That went straight ...

That was conscious.

That slept, because the human being slept.

So the earth kept Adolf Hitler, Kajafas, captive, until the moment when mankind came to stand before Christ again and began a new evolution.

And this was true, and this is the new evolution, the beginning of the kingdom of God on earth.

(To the gentleman who asked the question): You have read ‘The Peoples’.

(Gentleman in the hall says something.)

I notice that you have experienced ‘The peoples’.

And you see it now, we write about: the peoples of the earth reach unity.

What could be experienced in 1914-1918 for unity?

1939-1945 brought you that unity.

But we already had the book finished before the war.

You can see that in the spheres.

You can follow mankind.

But from the earth that is not so simple, because you do not know the deep becoming conscious of a people, and that can be seen completely openly and visibly, that stands before you.

But then you must be able to look ‘beyond the coffin’, and then you will know it.

Did you have anything else?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.

You just said: “The masters were with Adolf Hitler and they said: do not do it, do not do it.”

But that is a fact, precisely because of this war, you just said that too, the unity of the peoples came about.’

Yes.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Russia was shaken awake, pushed up out of its unconscious grade.

So what I now wanted to say, is: I do not understand that the masters could have said then: “Do not do it”, if they know that it is for the salvation.’

If you now, if you go for a walk here, and we know that there is a ditch there and we say: turn right, do not do that, do not walk there, but you must go there, this is the way, you will feel, then we will warn you about your mistake.

That is victory, isn’t it?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.’

So always, when the human being, when the individual stands before the wrong, the inner being says: do not do it.

If you start to feel spiritually: I want to experience the good in myself and through myself.

Another human being from the jungle, or there in that city, he says: what does that matter to me.

He just lives it up.

So people always say: do not do it.

That is the first victory, isn’t it?

So the good stands immediately next to you in order to warn and to receive you; even if we know that you cannot experience that anyway, that you will not do that anyway.

But that word is there, in order to ... the human being, in order to now, by means of that battle ...

You get feelings, I get feelings in order to go and do the wrong thing?

Then the good lays a foundation for that, and that is called: do not do that.

And then that is a foundation, which I will stand on later, and consciously know: I should not have done it, because I was warned.

So people always warn.

But that is the help, that is the power of hatred against love.

Love stands immediately next to and opposite hatred.

The individual experiences that.

You experience that the most beautifully and the most wonderfully as man and wife.

If you are beaten by your husband, then you withdraw.

But he, if he has feeling, has faith, then he will say: ‘I should not have done that.’

See, then that good immediately comes up.

Can the human being not conquer that?

The human being must conquer that, or you will always keep that hole.

And they become thousands of holes, and in the end it is a large hole in which you sink away, and say: ‘I can no longer live with that human being, I am leaving.’

And then you break that tie.

Isn’t it true?

Then you do not get one terrible beating, but you get a thousand of them.

Because the human being does not want to make amends for that wrong deed, that snapping, that snarling, that hating, that deforming, that sullying.

And then you can ...

Then your goodness, your personality closes itself off.

Why?

Because you cannot live any further in such a state.

And then you say, then the world says, most people say then: ‘I am leaving, because it is impossible to live with that human being.’

We tell you, we taught you that: finish it – for as long as possible – if you can, finish this.

Why?

If the human being says: ‘Go, I do not want to see you again’, then you are ready for the cosmos.

If the human being deceives consciously with another, then you are free from your karma and then you can say: go now, I want my peace and my quiet.

Yes, we have never spoken about that before, because you had not yet presented those problems.

But then you will see some day that you can deform by means of one word.

And then the accounts are settled.

Anything else?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, master Zelanus.

About the spiritual state of every people, in ‘The Peoples of the Earth’, it says there that the Netherlands is that far, that it can no longer murder and rob.

But I can ...’

No, I did not say that.

I said: your people has murdered and committed arson in an animal-like grade.

Although your people as a mass is coarse-material at the moment, still not even material.

Because when it comes down to it, then all your children will, your men will fight again.

I could not have described that in that book.

For that matter, it does not say that either.

(Lady in the hall): ‘No, there ...’

You have understood that in the wrong way.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, but ...’

But the individual is capable of saying: I refuse.

I do not intend to kill for my queen, for my people, for my fatherland.

I am a God, and not a fatherland.

And those people do not have more than one people, one little fatherland.

They have so much space in the spirit, because they go and defend their fatherland, isn’t it true?

You knew people during the war, they devoted everything and everything of themselves, in order to help the human being.

Yes.

After the war they stood there.

The murderers now have the control in their hands, and those true heroes and those heroines ...

But they were not that.

They just shot aimlessly.

They shot down people.

So they are conscious murderers.

For the other side they are not heroines and not heroes, because Christ does not know any heroes.

He does if you die for love.

But how can you pull on a thing like that and kill a human being?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes ...’

Do you see?

But the individual, soon when the masses, the masses ... If your queen was really a spiritual personality and possessed a God – just tell her it, because she does not have any God – then she could not approve as a mother, that her children would go and murder there, could she?

But what do people say?

‘God said: fight for your country.’

God says that, for that matter, the bible says that.

Now you will feel how beautiful and how sacred and how just the bible is with regard to that other child.

Yes.

If a master from a higher becoming conscious must go and act, then you will feel, then there will be nobody else from your people capable of taking a weapon again, will there?

They will go into the seas just like that.

And we say: Stalin, just come, because we do not want to fight, we love you, if you treat us well, then we will treat you well.

No, you accept this as karma, and then nothing will happen.

If your people could have said: ‘Adolf, come.

What do you actually want?

We told you: we do not want any war, any murder, any arson, any destruction.

Come in, you will take care of us.’

It would have happened within five days, wouldn’t it?

How many people did you lose?

Murder by murder.

What did Christ say to Peter?

‘Do not hit and do not destroy My divine foundations.’

Is that serving God?

That is an authority which is not worth a penny on the other side.

I particularly mentioned ‘not a penny’; but that is an authority which is not worthy of any flower, any rose, any orchid, on the other side.

They will put André in your prison if I continue.

Will you betray me?

We really want that.

André wants it too.

But why would we challenge that consciousness with regard to Christ?

Then André will be in prison.

He can do much more than this: he will go walking in your streets like that with the whole universe following him, a long procession, and God will be standing on that, Christ on that.

He will say: just kick that procession.

Yes, you cannot earn any medals with this.

Only by means of love and your blood.

Yes.

Then only by means of giving birth.

What did you think, when the kingdom of God comes and the masters can speak by means of the direct voice, did you not think that all your queens and emperors will be flung from their thrones?

Then the voice will come from the universe by means of the instrument and will say: ‘The way you ruled, that was for an animal-like mankind.

But now we are going to the spiritual and you still do not have any feeling for that.’

What will remain of your government, when Christ says: grow potatoes, food and drink for all your money.

And now it is thrown away, squandered and sullied by means of canons and nice little boats, on which your divine name stands.

Those who go and shoot by means of your name?

‘Her Majesty’, that and that boat, murdered eight thousand Chinese there.

And all those people come back home with such large medals.

From Our Lord?

You will feel, that is all earthly carry-on.

The higher you rise ...

Now just become a general, then the other side will also see you as a general-major-murderer.

Just read ‘Jeus II’, then you will be able to hear what I say about that in military service, what Jeus said.

He says: ‘Crisje, the higher that they come, the more they know about murder and destruction.

What our good priest brought to God, they talk about that here until the original message is lost.

And it is just as well, because you get stripes on your jacket.

But I do not want them.’

That is your chaos, isn’t it?

Do not have respect for an expert like that who knows infallibly how to fire his cannon.

And then he must go to the highest authority of your people and then they put such a wonderful label on his chest; such as Hermann Goring experienced, he had to go and build a steel plate in order to be able to carry his orders, or Hermann would have collapsed.

They cannot be seen now on the other side, no Goebbels, no Hitler, no Adolf, none of those gentlemen, of those souls, of those consciousness people, who were able to give the earth, Europe, happiness.

They have all lived it up.

There are no queens and no emperors to be seen in the first sphere, because they serve for evil.

And then you can say: ‘Yes, I do not want that.

And I will not take that.’

And, ‘Father, help us’.

You must prove it.

That Christ from the bible does not exist, for that matter.

And the God from the bible is not a God of hatred, nor revenge, for that matter.

The Old Testament is now floating in the street gutters of your city; just read ‘Masks and Men’.

Should we start to write those books?

André, Jozef, Dectar, is the spiritual rebel in Europe.

There is no one like that, there is no one more beautiful than he.

Because those teachings are harsh?

No, those teachings bring you the truth.

A queen, an emperor, a king – just look at the animal-like carry-on, which they carried out in the previous centuries – has no meaning on the other side, on Golgotha.

Just do not long for such beautiful garments and such a crown on your head, because you contaminate yourself.

Only when you radiate love, when you say: ‘You will only fight then, but over my dead body.’

Why do you not dare that?

Why do they not dare that?

How beautiful it would be if your queen could say: ‘Under my government not one person will perish because of hatred, because of hatred and evil with regard to a child which belongs to another people, then over my dead body.’

Ha ha, they drink tea, eat cake.

They have visitors and they play and they turn and bend.

No sphere, no flower, no insect on the other side has respect for your palaces, for those garments and those smiles.

Ha ha.

The whole of the spheres, all those millions of people ridicule you.

I go ...

If I go into that, you will say, then I have to do with an actor.

But we go into this conscious foolish human deception so fiercely.

The human being decorates himself with precious stones and diamonds, and from inside they have nothing.

They almost break their back from the badges.

Another such tin medal.

You did not say it, but we say it.

Did you have anything else?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.’

I was certainly not angry.

(Lady in the hall): ‘No, master Zelanus, you touched the core of the matter there, that you said that if the queen spoke such as you, then there would be no war.

But I feel just as guilty.

Because these people of twenty-five percent consciousness, who dare to sign the death sentence, so that our fellow human beings are shot dead for an err and for an evil which they did ...

I feel just as guilty.

Because through your teachings we should rebel; why do we not rebel?

I find that so ...’

You cannot do that anyway.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Why not?’

You cannot rebel.

André would want to give his blood, his life.

He wrote to Juliana: ‘Stop.

Do not put a signature under murders, for goodness sake.’

Your queen.

To the heavens?

So so ...

I will just not tell her what will happen soon; ‘the coffin’ is speaking.

The Grim Reaper says: back.

That is not the Grim Reaper.

(Lady in the hall): ‘But you are not satisfied with us either, that we do not rebel, are you?

That we do not ...’

What does it matter to me what you do, my child.

(Lady in the hall): ‘No, all of us, from your teachings, we must then ... a ...’

You must just prove it.

I will not go into your thinking.

If I must go into your thinking, I will run away.

Look, we do not lay down any force.

But for what purpose did Christ come to the earth?

What did Christ say by means of the ten commandments?

Thou shalt not kill.

And what does your authority do now?

Thou shalt not kill.

What kind of God is that whom people accept?

Where does that leave that commandment of God, of Christ, of the universe: thou shalt not kill.

You love your neighbour?

Only for today?

Just like that for the universe?

Or was Christ mad?

He said it just like that.

He did not mean it, you know.

He certainly did not mean it.

He only just thought: I will just frighten them on earth.

We ridicule the universe.

Did you really think that the other side walked through the spheres, with such a high hat of yours, wearing such striped trousers?

There we go, rrtsss, into the universe.

And we are having fun because of those high-up people.

We stand next to the poor, simple, natural child and say: ‘Turn left.’

‘Oh yes, sir?’

‘Now turn right.’

Do you not recognize the masks?

‘Turn left there.

Just cross that street’, when you read ‘Jeus III’ soon, even better, ‘and then behind that square turn left again.

And then you will stand before a wonderful large statue, or a finger post, and that points you straight to Our Lord.

And then you will no longer need anyone.’

Only then, if you have love within you.

There are thousands of books to be written, but you actually already have enough.

But can you feel how simple it is becoming?

And how that boasting, that bragging, that trotting about, that talk of ‘Oh, give us peace’ ...

And those beautiful personalities pray and say beautiful little words.

Oooh.

Our Lord closes His eyes, like that.

The angels say: ‘And now just sing.’

In the spheres people say: ‘Watch out.

Be careful.

Now they are beginning to sing in Europe.’

And all the churches sing.

And the people are quiet.

They hold a two minute silence.

And at the graves the heads go down and people mourn and people lay flowers.

‘Hypocrites’, people call from there.

‘Do not mock us any longer, unconscious boors.’

We stand there, the ordinary generals stand there.

And he still dares to say something to these children whom they unconsciously allowed to undergo the brutalization.

Why do we write over ‘The Grebbe Line to eternal life’?

Can you feel what a filthy, dirty, dreadful, horrible mentality it is by means of which you are ruled?

Yes?

Well, just bow and follow that scarlet consciousness, that satiny life of feeling, and say: ‘Hooray, flowers from me too.’

Why do you not do that?

We only do that for Christ.

We only do that for a poor little mother who has love.

Only Christ can approve of that if you turn yourself inside out and attune yourself to nature, to cosmic laws, to sun, moon and stars, and takes you straight back to your divine self in your inner innermost, which has attunement to the primal source from where you came.

Harsh?

Is that all harsh?

It is right.

Now I will talk for twenty-six thousand years in order to be proved right, because I will give you the divine answer.

I will be proved right.

You cannot serve God by signing a death sentence.

Why did you not send that poor Mussert and those mites into your mines?

Or why did you not make a farmer out of those academics, so that they could grow potatoes for you?

But why must you destroy that child?

But it is a child of a father and a mother, isn’t it?

But those children have just one God, don’t they?

No, now ...

Now even worse, now they are hanged.

Adolf Hitler?

Do not worry.

Goring?

I could have made him a road sweeper.

And you and another lady, two little mothers next to him: ‘Come on, hurry up, because we want to have a nice street tomorrow.

Tomorrow my mother is passing by here.

Tomorrow I am coming with my pram and then it must be clean, Hermann.’ (Laughter.)

Yes, indeed.

Will we write a new book this evening?

(There is laughter.)

Did you have anything else?

I am just grumbling a bit.

(To a lady in the hall): Yes.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, may I just come back to the question here from the lady about the son of God and the son of man?’

Yes.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Abd-ru-shin, the leader of that movement of the grail from Beiren ...’

If you start to speak about a grail, then I am already shocked.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.

No

He says that Jesus alone is the son of God.’

Oh yes?

(Lady in the hall): ‘That he is the son of the people.’

You see, biblical.

And we can ...

I will say it now.

You must not be shocked.

(Lady in the hall): ‘No.’

By the way I have to let rip in ‘Jeus II’ and ‘Jeus I’, you know.

We can suffocate.

We are not children of God, we are not God’s sons.

You are that too as a mother.

You see, the grail; from the bible again, from Catholicism again.

Wandered off a bit, and a new faith.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Oh yes.’

Yes.

For the rest of the world that grail, those sects mean nothing.

For the rest of the world Christ has no meaning.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, the Christ does have meaning there.’

I am not talking about that.

After all, the Catholic Church says: you can only become blessed through us, doesn’t it?

Puh.

In seventy-five years’ time you will wonder where all those sanctifying people got to.

Then the pope can – I will not say something harsh, I am close to you this evening, I am still in ‘Jeus’; if you have read that ‘Jeus’, then you can understand that – then the masters will send him over the street with a wagon, and then he can sell, sell his garments in the first place, in order to do something good with them.

There are no popes living in the spheres.

They must all return to the earth; because he has ‘splattered’ his creation.

The priest ...

How many priests does the Catholic Church have?

Chaplains?

Bishops?

Cardinals?

Little nuns?

(Something is said in the hall.)

Yes, what did you say?

(Lady in the hall): ‘But they are not with the Catholic Church.’

I am just using the Catholic Church as an example.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Oh ...’

That grail has something entirely different.

But there are too many frills lying in that.

Every sect built up frills, do you see?

Just go to the sophy, the Rosicrucians, theosophy: all frills.

When you ...

When you have read those twenty books, those nineteen, and especially the cosmology soon – André does not yet have the means – but when you have read all of that, then you will know: this is the very last.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, I do not agree with that either.

But I only just wanted to ask you it.’

I thank you.

Yes, it is true.

We both agree.

(To someone in the hall): Did you have something else there? (Laughter.)

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, master Zelanus, you taught us here, that Jesus could never have said “Let this cup pass from Me.”

But then I do not understand why you write in ‘The Peoples of the Earth’ that Hitler would let that cup pass from him just like Christ?’

Hitler compared to Christ?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘In the beginning, it is in the first part, I think.’

Could I compare Adolf Hitler to Christ?

I would not even want to put those words in Adolf Hitler’s mouth.

That poor consciousness did not earn that.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I want to look it up.’

You will have to go and read it again.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.

But I read it.

I was just astonished by it.’

Yes, but that is not possible.

Then you read it wrong.

What did you read now?

What you are asking there, I could never write, that is not possible.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Hitler had that thought then, of “Let this cup pass from me”, with the thought that Christ would have said that.’

With his conceit in him?

Let this pass from me?

Then it is possible.

But then it is an opinion, can you feel this?

(People in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Then I am busy considering.

Then his megalomania comes up.

He says: ‘Let all of this pass from me.’

Yes, when he was meditating, then he thought for a moment that he was a new prophet, and then the good came up; in the sense it is true again.

‘Let this pass from me.’

Then the good feelings came up, his love, or his thinking and feeling with regard to mankind and God, and he could say: ‘Let all of this pass from me.’

Then he clung to the Christ.

Do you see?

Then that is true.

But I go ...

I can explain that to you from that book, but I want to know what you say.

Otherwise I will write new pages again; I do not want that.

Anything else?

(To someone who reacts): Yes.

(To someone in the hall): Did you already have ‘Jeus II’?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No, not yet.’

Why did you not ask for it then, because I just wanted to give it to you.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, master.’

Will you accept it?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

I already asked you about it before, a while ago.

(Gentleman in the hall says something.)

Do you have already have other books?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.

Everything.’

Then you get ...

I saw you.

I have seen you.

And I thought a moment ago while I was speaking: my friend did not ask for anything.

Will you take it with you?

(Gentleman in the hall says something.)

(To someone in the hall): What was it?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘How did life, the first material body, originate on the fourth cosmic grade?

Wait a moment.

And that body, if it dies, is it buried then, or is it dematerialized and committed to nature?’

You want to know that?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, please.’

On the fourth cosmic grade?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

If you now go with me, when the time has come, then man and woman will die at the same time.

Do you know that?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

But that is not dying.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No.’

Then we go into nature.

We say, nature absorbs us.

We say goodbye to our friends, our masters, our sisters and brothers, and we walk like that through the universe.

Or we take a trip through the universe.

For example, we go to the second grade, the third grade.

So now you have ...

The fourth cosmic grade has: the first planet, the second planet, the third, fourth, fifth, sixth and the seventh.

The seventh is the mother planet.

So now you get, in this universe, the mother planet, there is a planet, there, there, there, and there.

The suns are above that.

You get four, five, six, seven suns.

And now you get those planets there again, of course.

A wonderful spectacle to see that.

Now you no longer get any night there, there is no night, there is never night again, because you go to eternal consciousness.

You no longer sleep.

There is no longer any disease either.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘But there is on the first grades.’

There are ...

On the other side you are spiritually immaculate and pure, in the first sphere.

Now ...

And now in the seventh sphere.

You are materially pure and perfect there.

Because, after all, the human being no longer begins with the rape, the sullying of the organism.

But you get your own core next to you and your own grade, don’t you?

That ...

Do you not understand that?

In the jungle – you have read ‘The Origin of the Universe’, haven’t you?– in the jungle we went there, there, there.

It was the sixth with the fifth, and the third with the first, and the second with the fourth; because seven grades, physical grades were created.

But on the fourth cosmic grade we have that consciousness in us, so I have my grade, the very first grade, for that first grade as planet.

And then we go, then we still cannot levitate ourselves with regard to the macrocosmos – you should listen – but we can absorb the possession into ourselves, which that first grade gives us as a planet.

If we come to the second, then we can connect with the universe, with all the stars and planets, and then we levitate ourselves by means of the universe; you no longer need any aeroplanes there, you no longer need any technical wonders there, need any more light, any material light, everything has now been spiritually materialized.

But if the organism dies there, then we walk together in nature, dissolve before your eyes and return like that to the embryonic life and are born again in the human being after seven hours according to your earthly time.

And when we then enter the mother, and you are there in the mother and I am here, then we already call to each other: ‘What time is it where you are?’

I am seven hours old, and then we already speak to each other, because we keep the human spiritual cosmic consciousness.

And do you know what that is, if the mother hears speaking inside her?

Then the mother gets ...

The mother also already gets that now, you know.

A sensitive little mother, just read all the other books, just read ‘A View into the Hereafter’, a sensitive little mother hears her child speaking.

She also hears that heart beat.

But the word also speaks, because now and again the consciousness must awaken; then the past speaks, the reincarnation speaks in half-waking consciousness to the mother.

And then the child says: ‘Darling, darling, I am coming.’

But if the mother has a rough, harsh, hateful consciousness, then you will surely know it?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

If the mother is loving and she gives you the maternal kiss, the orchid, in everything, by means of everything, by means of every word, then you will know it too.

Because then something sings, then something plays under her heart, and that can be heard in her inner being.

And then she says: ‘Oh, husband, I am so happy.

The child, the child ...’

And there, on the fourth cosmic grade, that is all conscious.

André experienced that with master Alcar and me, hand in hand, on the fourth cosmic grade, the fifth, the sixth and the seventh.

(To the gentleman in the hall): Will you remember the book?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Did you have anything else?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No, not at the moment.’

If ...

Give me a thousand books, and I will have disposed of them within half an hour.’

When the first part ‘A View into the Hereafter’ was published, then André jumped off the roof with happiness.

He had almost disposed of them within two weeks.

Then the girl from Vienna says: ‘But where is the money?’

‘Money?

But I have disposed of them!’ (laughter)

Yes, then we were standing still.

And then master Alcar had to say: ‘Stop, André.

Now we must begin again.’

And then all our quarters and ten cent pieces were gone.

And then André had to begin again.

But we would prefer to divide them out.

Yes.

The Spiritual Science Society, you know in whose hands that lies, this?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No, I don’t know.’

Would you like to know?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Whose would you think?

Who?

...knows this, here ... Our bankers from André live somewhere.

Do you know who that is?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Alcar?’

No.

(Gentleman in the hall says something.)

No, I will not tell you that. (laughter)

You will be surprised, do you know?

Then you will see, then you will know how afraid André ... about the ...

Everything also goes well in his hands.

If people ...

If he gives something to the people ...

People come: ‘I want, I want, I want’; but in two, three months’ time they collapse and run away.

Then he is called names and there is cackling.

And then he is wrong again.

Isn’t it true?

Did you hear that name calling?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Have we changed?

Were we changed?

(Lady in the hall): ‘No.’

Oh.

Thank you.

Christ is the banker of André.

Not master Alcar, nor master Cesarino.

That society, my friend, which lies there, comes from the University of Christ.

Violate that sometime.

This is why, if you can buy the book, then accept this from me, but then buy one of them for your friends.

Because millions of people there are looking at your personality.

And if you buy that book and give it to another, and another lets a tear fall because of it, on the other side and ‘beyond the coffin’ that is, not only a tile on your spiritual dwelling, but also the orchid for your garden of life.

I would like to give away thousands of them, but I may not touch them.

I plod away and work myself to the bone, I do everything in order to make you happy, in order to give you wisdom.

And I ...

In the past I would have liked to give the people books, but I was rapped on my fingers by master Alcar.

He said: ‘They are not yours.’

I do not dare to give one book away to you just like that – I would like to do it – because there is no profit.

But I may not do it.

I have something to tell, haven’t I, as a master.

I am the highest follower for this universe.

I am the spokesman for billions of people.

The world will accept us one day, and you will not experience that here, but you will experience it ‘beyond the coffin’, that I am the spokesman for all the spheres on the other side, for the fourth, the fifth, the sixth and the seventh cosmic grade.

And I may not take a book in my hands in order to give it to you.

But I may this evening, because I have earned it.

I got them through my followers in The Hague and I would like to share out a thousand of them.

But I can also say to master Alcar: ‘Here is the money.’

Do you believe that?

On the other side, if that now went so high ... Can you feel that ultimately the material, the possession of the earth, will get meaning?

As long as you earn it honestly.

Then Christ speaks.

Because Christ also had His banker next to him, and that was Judas.

The most beautiful stories and the most beautiful imagery, the most wonderful divine being one was with Christ every day.

In the new season, when we come back, then you should just ask those questions.

And then Christ said to Judas in the evening: ‘Do we still have food this evening?

How much money is there left in the purse?’

And then ...

Judas had a little bag, a pouch from a billy goat, a goat.

An Eastern goat, do you see?

And then Judas looked and then he said: ‘Yes.’

If I calculate it according to your money, he had one guilder forty-four cents, for twelve of them.

Yes, then they just bought dates.

And if the miracle was to happen ...

Christ did not perform miracles every day, because then He would be so cheap.

And then there would be no more feeling.

Then the apostles would fall asleep; and they would say: ‘But he will take care of us.’

And then that dry cow would be milk ...

How do you say that?

(Hall): ‘Milked.’

From ‘Masks and Men’.

That dry cow, do you see?

And then the apostles all thought they got something, when Christ said: ‘Just be wrong this evening, because this is a dry one.’

(There is laughter.)

Because they thought every moment: the Master will perform miracles.

But then Christ let them down.

And then three of them said: ‘Do you still believe in Him any longer?’

He was betrayed from front and from behind.

When it came down to it, to say ...

‘Peter, Peter, know, tomorrow is the day.’

‘I never knew that Man.

I have nothing to do with that Human Being.’

And Christ said: ‘Before the cock crows, you will betray me three times.’

André used to say to his followers – he came inside in the evening-: ‘Before the cock crows, you will betray me three times.’

‘For me?’

‘I am saying nothing, it slipped from my lips.’

A week later: ‘Before the cock crows ...’

‘For me?’

‘No.’

Three weeks later then it had happened.

Master Alcar did not do that; the human being did that himself, in order to protect himself.

The good core in the human being said: ‘Before the cock crows, I will soon betray you.’

He crowed so loudly, that you were able to hear it in Rotterdam, or wherever.

But this human being did not hear it.

Because he got a job, a rich job through the Catholic Church, and betrayed Christ, God, the books of Jeus.

But do we all accept that?

Just run away; as long as you spread this.

Did you perhaps once hear me, that you say: ‘Now, that is doubtful’?

(There is a reaction in the hall.)

Thank you.

Is there anything else?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘If doubt you, I doubt myself, don’t I?’

That is not true.

That is not right.

You must first feel: yes.

And if you have read the bible now, then I can reach you.

If you do not have any bible, any faith, then I do not need to begin with anything, because you will betray Christ.

And then we can talk.

If there is no grasp, then I have no grasp.

Do you have that knowledge?

This is why, it is good that you have done theosophy, Rosicrucians, all those different sects.

I have contact with the Catholics, Protestantism, the sects, the Rosicrucians, the theosophists.

We have more Catholics than theosophists.

Because one day you will rise to the cock of the Catholic Church and then you will get wings.

And then the priest will want to keep you.

Then you will say: ‘Oh, no, I do not like damnation.’

Psssttt.’

Isn’t it true?

Did you have anything else, madam?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, master.’

What did you have?

(Lady in the hall): ‘May I ask something else?’

You can always ...

You have not asked anything yet.

You say: ‘May I ask something else’, but you have not begun yet.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.

Through you we learned to accept that evolution of the animals, those winged species.

But you also write, in the fourth grade, the fourth cosmic grade, you find horses.

How do those horses come there?’

For every grade you can – you must listen carefully – for every existing animal species ...

You can also see a horse on the other side, a dog too.

Did you not read that, from master Alcar?

So you can see those animals, the highest species, in the spheres.

But they ultimately dissolve and will return to the highest species.

So that universe keeps that highest species as an individual captive, holds onto it.

And on the other side you see one being from all the existing animal species and human grades.

That is cosmology.

Look, the explanation which we give you in ‘A View into the Hereafter’ – because that is in there – goes and takes you to the cosmology.

And what it says in that book, is not cosmology, those are human, spiritual problems analyzed with regard to the other side.

But a horse is the highest animal of all in nature, and that has to, if it wants to live, release itself.

You will feel, that animal must release itself.

That group spirit will release itself sooner or later, in thousands of years’ time, and will go higher for a new organism, a higher life source.

But it can be seen temporarily.

So that is temporary.

Understood?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Do you see?

You can see the justice of nature again there.

That animal gets a time, that animal gets evolution, is visible, can be seen in the spheres; your sparrows can be seen, your birds can be seen.

Only no cats.

The cat cannot be elevated there.

A dog can.

Because everything which has nastiness, a tiger, a lion, that remains on earth and cannot be built up, elevated to spiritual awakening, spheres of consciousness.

But a horse is serving with regard to every human thought, whatever it is like.

A horse is the highest animal being in nature, because it does more than your cow; even if you eat your cow, and your milk, and everything.

But the horse still serves, still pulls, does that, does this.

Of course, there are other species.

Your perfectly ordinary chicken has cosmic meaning.

This is why I wrote in ‘Jeus I’: ‘On Sunday we will have chicken soup.’

(There is laughter.)

Did you have anything else?

Yes, I wrote those books.

I am sitting ...

I am now not a person from France, not a sculptor anymore, not an Italian, I now come from the Achterhoek.

Because I had to follow the life of Jeus.

Otherwise I could not have written those books for you.

I was the José from his youth.

And now we speak to each other again.

We are playing with each other this evening, making you smile, giving you wisdom, cosmic happiness and love; Jeus and José again.

But now André-Dectar and Lantos Dumonché-Zelanus.

Isn’t it simple?

That is now the possession of master Alcar.

He has that: love, wisdom to the people.

And he is there, here somewhere.

When we got flowers, then the dominating majority always goes to Golgotha.

But we always take away one for ourselves always and eternally and we place it so secretively and quietly in the hands of master Alcar.

We put it in his jacket.

And Jeus now says, when Crisje came to the other side, after the war ...

Crisje went in January.

He says: ‘Crisje, I will now ... the flowers ...

The time will come that I will earn the flowers.’

And now about seven of them go straight to the Tall One and to Crisje.

You see, you can all earn that.

Earning is nicer, more wonderful than that you have enough money and you sell them.

Yes, I am grateful for the flowers which I get.

Now the human being will certainly not be shocked that I say: ‘You have money and I have nothing’, will he?

We ...

I give you the spiritual flower and you give me the material one.

I do something with that every evening.

That ...

They do not just stand there just like that, they are not just taken along just like that.

We have already divided them out beforehand.

If you achieve something wonderful here, I get them out.

Did you not see that one evening?

Then I took the flowers from another and I gave them here to a child in the hall.

That child is now here again.

If you do your best and can receive everything, you will get them again.

But the child from whom I get them is not angry about that.

There was once a lady in The Hague.

That lady did not know that, of course.

My follower, that child, that mother, had given me really beautiful flowers, such big white flowers.

But I had discovered something nice during the lecture and I gave them to a child in the hall.

Then that lady said: ‘He will never get flowers from me again.’

I do not want to have them ever again either.

Do you see?

But I had them immediately.

‘Madam, did I earn those flowers?

You are no longer a sister, but you are now called madam.’

‘Yes, madam.’

When you get part III of ‘Jeus’ soon, then you will hear nothing else but: ‘Yes, madam.’

‘What a polite chap he is.’

‘Yes, indeed, madam.’

(There is laughter.)

‘Where do you come from?’

‘Yes, madam, from over there.’

Did you have anything else?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, are you also Casje then?’

What did you say?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Were you Casje then, in the second part, or was that master Alcar?’

(There is laughter.)

Casje?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Have you finished it?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.’ (Laughter.)

No one may say that.

Just read it again, as punishment.

When Jeus buries Fanny, isn’t it true, and he is sitting there, and he grumbles at Fanny: ‘I should have broken your neck.

You only think of yourself.

You did not think about me for a minute’, Jeus said.

And then Casje comes there: ‘What are you doing here?’ he says to Casje.

That was the Casje who spoke inside him, that was a new contact with his Tall One, master Alcar.

Did you not get that out of it?

Did you think that it was me?

I was not so heroic there, at that time.

You should feel what the working of master Alcar was like.

Now the Tall Hendrik.

I write there: ‘Well done, Tall One.

Wonderful violin, wonderful timbre.’

Because Jeus wanted to kill himself.

Now Crisje too.

Then Crisje crawls up the stairs, do you know?

‘I am not talking to them again.’

Then the Tall Hendrik was there again, and master Alcar says: ‘Wonderful, Tall Hendrik, that is good work.’

Do you see?

An orchid from Our Lord.

Yes.

(To the lady who asked the question): And did you think that I was Casje?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, you or master Alcar.’

Ugh.

Just read it again.

No, it is not me.

(To the hall): Which of you?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus?’

Yes.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, what should a mother do if the doctor says to her: you may not have any more children, because it will be your death?’

Then you must chase him out the door as quickly as possible.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Thank you.’

Thank you.

You have doctors like that.

(Hall): ‘Yes.’

If you die, if you, yes ...

Society says ...

You will feel in what kind of chaos with regard to the macrocosmic laws, the divine justice, the Omniscience ...

The people who have followed me for years know that we possess the Omniscience.

Because I serve the University of Christ.

And if that child can give birth, even if she is sick, then she will become healthy by means of the giving birth and will not die.

If she must die, she will die.

But it is the most wonderful, the most beautiful transition, isn’t it?

To give a new life?

If one, for example, no, I will not go into that.

Something else ...

So, if it happens to you, then you say to the doctor: ‘We thought that you were the right one.

But ultimately, now that you have spoken the word, you must clear out of here quickly, because you are driving us away from Christ.

You are not the right one.

Just go and get your spiritual tuition fees back.

You surely do not have a God, do you?’

(Someone in the hall says something.)

Hey, what did you say?

Did you have anything else?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, master Zelanus.’

Yes, there is a lot to say about it, of course.

But ...

Because you will feel, there are people who have fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen children, and society, the normal social consciousness says: ‘Do you see that rabbit field there?’

Then they compare a mother to a rabbit farm.

Society says that.

Do you feel ...

I explained the laws to you, that one mother must give birth to ten and twelve children, and the other mother destroys the child.

And that the human being is sent to the other side too soon, to the world of the unconscious.

So ...

There are now hundreds of thousands of souls waiting for one organism.

They are new problems again, of course.

You stick to that question.

If you come across that mother and she still has the strength to give birth, then just let the giving birth go ahead.

After all, you cannot stop it in the end.

If there is to be giving birth, then the soul is so powerful and conscious, in order to give the man the strength, and the mother too, in order to give birth and to create.

Anything else?

(Gentleman in the hall) ‘Yes, master Zelanus.

In ‘The Peoples of the Earth’ you write that in the future sick people will no longer be allowed to get married.

The state will take care of them.

But will the natural working in those people not be artificially suppressed then?’

Look, in the future ... will ...

Look, now it is about this.

If you ...

That is scientifically-cosmically analyzed.

And now you must listen carefully, then you will see a picture of the future, and then you will know at the same time what we mean.

If this mother is sick, tuberculosis, serious cancer, the highest grade, then you will know absolutely, and also in that and that grade, that there are one, two, three, four, five, six, seven subsequent grades contaminated.

No children.

Something else will also come.

Because this mother will give birth to her child, will give birth for her.

Because, she will be examined ...

You give birth, give birth, give birth.

Four children.

You have ten of them; because we take care of you, you do not need to do anything else but give birth.

She attracts the soul life.

And now people gradually get a core of health on earth, in the human being, because of the human being, because of the body.

That will come.

That is hard for that other mother, but she must get out of that contamination; those diseases must dissolve, must go from that body, because you will never ever get a healthy mankind.

Is that just?

But she gives birth and she gives birth – not to two children – she gives birth until she can no longer give birth and be attracted.

Those are laws.

And they will come.

And it is very simple.

Because it is true.

Here is the mother and there is the mother.

You get a family karma.

And that means, if you are produced from karma, then you give birth and you create cancer, tuberculosis.

And those diseases undermine the human authority.

You have no possession.

An existing, healthy organism does not exist.

So in the future you will get to ensure in the very first place a normal human organism, with a healthy spirit in it.

And then damnation will already immediately dissolve in the first place, and then there will be no more religious maniacs to be found in your mental institutions.

So you will get a gem of a mankind in ten, twenty, five thousand years’ time.

But now in a hundred thousand years’ time?

André spoke about that in the car.

‘Then what?’ he says.

I was sitting in the back.

Oh, the people just did not sense me.

He says: ‘But, madam, in a hundred thousand years’, what will mankind be like then?’

‘Yes’, the child says, ‘it will be beautiful.

Then I will go back.’

Yes, then life will be a paradise.

Then you will be carried on earth by the state.

Because you yourself will be the state.

You read that in ‘The Peoples of the Earth’, for that matter.

Long to return.

Then you will not need to talk about: there is no death.

The books are lying there.

Believe it and accept it, what lives there.

The books by André will come to be in every family, because those are the books for the new bible.

And mankind must accept that, because they come from the kingdom of God, from the University of Christ.

Could André from ‘s-Heerenberg, from the clay, from the Achterhoek have done that?

Do you see?

That does not belong to that.

And now just start to read.

You know it, for that matter.

Did you have anything else?

This is infallible.

And the students can soon accept and read that.

But they are the little novels around the actual core.

Because when we begin with the cosmology, then we begin first: to analyze the All-Soul, the All-Mother, the All-Light, the All-Life, the All-Spirit, the All-Personality, the All-Fatherhood and All-Motherhood, the All-Laws, the elemental laws.

And then we will gradually continue.

André has the first five books for the new bible, at a cosmic attunement.

Mankind, born in the embryonic stage on the moon.

The first books are ready.

Who has the money?

On the other side we have notes of ten million.

And you cannot cash them in here, otherwise you would have got the money from the masters.

We must earn it on earth with blood, with tears, with sweat, with feeling, with love, or it would not have any meaning again.

And Christ says: ‘Now I can no longer be bought.’

And this is why it is immaculate and pure what you get in your hands there, because it was earned honestly by the child André, Jeus of mother Crisje.

Did you not have anything?

(To the hall): Which one of you still has a question?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, do people on the other side know about the teachings of Bah’u’llah?’

What?

From whom?

(Lady in the hall): ‘From Baha’u’llah?’

From Bach ...

From Bahhowhowlong?

(There is laughter.)

I do not know that name.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Because ...’

You can now teach me something.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, master Zelanus, it will come in a moment.’

Bahoehahola.

(laughter in the hall.)

(Women in the hall): ‘Baha’u’llah.’

Bahahoela.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, because I first got an invitation in order to ...’

And who is that?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Well, that is a prophet who comes after Mohammed.’

Who comes after Mohammed.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.

And now they had asked me to attend a lecture, a meeting.

I went.

And those followers are called Baha’i.’

Baha’i.

(Lady in the hall): ‘And they have here ...’

And what is it called?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Baha’i.’

But what ...

Does that have any other meaning, that Baha’i?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, that is an abbreviation of Baha’u’llah.’

Yes, but can you understand that, what Bahahoela is in Amsterdam?

(Lady in the hall): ‘No, that is becoming ...’

Yes, but I do not know that either.

(Lady in the hall): ‘No, but ...’

Now I know it.

Because everything which you make yourself, we do not know, we are not acquainted with.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, that’s exactly what I wanted to know.’

André says: ‘A resital is being played today over there.’

And master Alcar says: ‘You must listen carefully, Jeus, that is called a recital.’

And then André says: ‘What do I have to do with that?’

Last week André made – that was André – made the people laugh.

He makes them laugh in The Hague.

Those are his evenings, we do not touch them.

He said: ‘I walked there through the streets.

Everything which has to do with spirit, soul and life, space, with God, we are ready for that.

But we are not ready for your name.

And there was a sign on a window ...

He says, Jeus, Jozef says: ‘What is that ‘kuizenier’ (Cuisinier, someone who prepares meals)? (There is laughter.)

Then he says to a boy: ‘Do you know that?’

Then that boy says: ‘Sir, I do not know either.’

But underneath it said: ‘dinners delivered.’

And they understood that. (There is laughter.)

What is that now, kuizenier?

You can build up and give everything a name, if it has to do with the law of nature, the other side, Christ, cosmos, the origin of God.

But if has no attunement to that, then it is all called kuizeniers and resitals and newrok for us.

(Lady in the hall tries to say something.)

And then we ridicule it.

Why?

Come on!

If you here in Holland ...

If we have to go to the East, then we will speak a language which they know there.

And if we must speak here, then it is better that we speak the dialect, because that exists at least.

But no one knows Hoelahoelahoela.

(Lady in the hall): ‘No, but should I just explain that now?’

Yes, what does it mean?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Well, I was there, and it was like this, that ...

I got quite short of breath, because ...’

And was that Hoelahoela wearing a hat?

(There is laughter.) Was he an ordinary person?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Well, he is dead.’

Is he already dead?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, but that means ...

These teachings have the view that Christ actually, well, was not much.’

That was not up to much.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Then I did not go back again.

But now I am continually pursued by postcards with an invitation.

And then I thought: then you must also know something about that, about that Baha’u’llah.’

No.

No.

About Bahoela ...

What is he called again? (laughter)

Bahoela-bahola.

No, we do not know about those Bahoulas.

And he cannot be known on the other side, because that castle in the air does not exist.

(Lady in the hall): ‘You have not met him?’

That Bahoelahoe?

(There is warm laughter.)

We do not know those Bahoelas.

(Lady in the hall says something.)

Only ...

(To the lady in the hall): What did you say?

(Lady in the hall says something.)

I don’t think I have made you laugh so much before.

But I am close to you this evening, because I am in Jeus.

(Lady in the hall says): ‘Yes, but that was the name on that letter ...’

I can say about that, did he live on earth with a hat on, or was he wearing a beautiful garment?

(Lady in the hall): ‘No, a white beard.’

White beard.

See, that is even more sacred.

No, we do not know that Bahoela. (laughter)

We did not meet those Bahoelas on the other side.

And all those Bahoelas have no meaning for the first sphere.

There is only just one human being who has meaning for the first sphere, and that is?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Christ.’

Christ.

And everyone knows Him.

But we do not know Hoelahoe.

(People in the hall continue to laugh.)

Did you have anything else?

(The sound technician has already given a warning.)

I have been warned.

Here you have my kiss.

I think you are very sweet.

(To the hall): Who still has a question for me?

I will never come so close again.

Yes, perhaps the last time.

After all, I can be a human being immediately, and then we write ‘Jeus I’, we speak the dialect.

I am in the dialect this evening.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus ...’

You will see me differently on Sunday morning.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Can you also tell us now ...’

I have to go back for a moment.

You will then get thousands of personalities.

How many personalities have you known this winter?

You were also there, in Diligentia, weren’t you?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

How many personalities did I show you?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Several.’

Twenty-four?

(Gentleman in the hall says something.)

(To someone else in the hall): What is it?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, would you also like to tell us something about the natural dying process?’

Yes, next week, in a fortnight.

That will take too long for me now.

I have been warned.

And the natural dying process, you must all ask a question about that.

You will get another lecture.

My children, another question in order to become free, because I have come too close to you.

Yes?

(Lady in the hall): ‘We had another question.

How is it actually that an animal, a dove or a dog, can find his way so well, to find the way back home from a great distance?’

Yes, and the human being can do that too.

Have you read ‘Spiritual Gifts’?

It is in that.

Have you read ‘Jeus of Mother Crisje, part I’?

Then you will also get ‘Jeus II’, because I also thought about you.

You were not there a moment ago, do you see?

I am just not forgetting anyone this evening.

My children, another question and then I will withdraw.

I am still not being released.

Do you know what this is?

I go close to you, and then I cannot release myself.

If I do it anyway, André will fall to the ground.

Now I must go back into my own world.

I must close you off by means of a question.

I can do that while talking.

(To someone in the hall): What did you want to ask?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘In ‘The Origin of the Universe’, the third part, you write there about thousands of machines.

What do they mean?’

Thousands?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Machines.’

On the other side?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

First the spiritual machine is built up there, in order to interpret it materially on earth.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Oh yes.’

So that is all ...

We have a house there, we have trees, we have birds, we have everything.

Do you understand this?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes yes.’

Then this is the answer.

See you in a fortnight.

(Hall): ‘Thank you, master Zelanus.’

I thank you too, because you were very sweet.

I got a nice aura.

When you are open and are true, are sweet, and can devote your life, then we go and sit next to you and sit down and eat with you at the table.

What does that mean?

If we break the wisdom in half, like bread.

(kiss) See you soon.