Good evening, my sisters and brothers.

(Hall): ‘Good evening, master Zelanus.’

Which of you has the first question?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, I wanted to ask you: at the moment, isn’t it true, now, if people pass over, or spirits, beings, from the second grade to the third grade, then they end up in the jungle, don’t they, so in, actually, an adult body, whilst in the beginning, when the earth was still a bit of a mass and the first spirits passed over, then they entered an embryonic state or something, didn’t they?’

You still have that now.

What do you actually want to know?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, is that not a very considerable difference then?’

There is no difference in the creation.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No, but the time?’

Not in that either.

The creation does not have to do with time.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Those beings who arrived there in the beginning of the origin of the earth, isn’t it true, but they all had to experienced that development phase of a single ...’

Embryo.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes ...’

And did not go further?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, slowly but surely further until the perfect body was reached.’

Is that not the same thing?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘But then it took much longer than that is now the case?’

You must see this in this way: you were born on the moon, and now you are on the earth.

Is there a difference in that?

Can you feel a difference?

You have completed that cycle, you have completed the universal cycle.

And can you feel a difference in that?

So the human being, from the moon, returns to the Divine All.

And you are busy.

There is no more to it.

And then you get body after body, grade after grade, age after age.

Centuries, thousands of centuries ago the earth was not natural like it now is.

Like it now is, your society.

You think yourself back.

That society means nothing, I once told you.

That means: everything remains behind.

Only life has meaning, your spirit, your personality.

And because of that you possess divine attunement, all the life.

And what do you want to know now?

Is that not everything?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, I agree with you, but, I mean, that took much longer in the beginning, didn’t it?

The people, isn’t it true, who now come from the second grade to the third, they already get a perfect body, whilst in the beginning, isn’t it true, that single cell first has to develop slowly but surely.’

You mean this ...

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘That had to experience all those stages in the course of I don’t know how many millions of years.’

In the embryonic life you were embryonic.

And now you are a human being.

And that is a difference.

But life experiences all these stages.

You must not compare that time, the time in which you live, with the jungle stage.

You are in the white race (see article ‘There are no races’ on rulof.org), and the jungle inhabitant still has to go to the white race.

Evolution, evolving.

So those are new bodies, in order to absorb the cycle of the earth, the grades and the laws of life for the earth, no more than that.

And because of that you get the universe in you, by experiencing body after body.

But there is no difference, and time.

Those people experienced the prehistoric age, the prehistoric being now lives in the Divine All.

But then you must also go back millions of ages.

Can you feel this?

Those first people used to live in the jungle – there were no cities then – and they now live in the seventh sphere, on the fourth, fifth, sixth and the seventh cosmic grade.

The Divine All is inhabited, consciously inhabited.

Christ is there, as the highest Mentor.

He came back to the earth.

The earth got faith, you will read that in ‘The Peoples of the Earth’, you will read it in ‘The Origin of the Universe.’

And then you can see the image of yourself.

You have already conquered that universe; now also the earth, and you will go on astrally spiritually in the life ‘beyond the coffin’.

There is no difference.

But now something else.

You will actually feel an injustice in this.

Where is my friend?

(To people who are still coming in): Do you want to sit down here?

There is no difference.

The human being lives in the embryonic stage, goes through jungles, ages, spaces, and conquers the universe.

Can you feel this?

Your hereafter is ready.

But is that true?

You would like to know that.

I ask you, your hereafter is ready, the heavens are ready; that is true, isn’t it?

But is yours ready?

Do you see?

So the human being must, we people must earn the heavens, the bodies, the spaces, ourselves.

And you can only do that through the love, through being in harmony with the creations.

Is that true?

Are you finished?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I hope so.’

Are you asking anything else?

Are you having a think?

(To the hall): Over there.

Who asked me something?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, it often happens, if people reach an advanced age, that they become child-like.

Now I wanted to ask you: does being child-like have something to do with the grade of consciousness and ...’

Yes, indeed.

You see the older adult here as psychopathy.

Can you feel this?

Now the life no longer has any core, no longer has any growth.

And then ...

I have never spoken about this before, and you will immediately agree with me.

And then the human being has no more grip, and then the personality descends back to the grade of feeling which the human being actually is.

And more ...

At that point, in that stage the spirit, the personality continues to live.

And you call that being child-like.

And we call it for creation the sinking back to the actual possession.

Because the human being in society is a lot, does a lot, learns a lot; but the human being for the universe is only feeling!

And now you see the power and the consciousness of the personality for you.

Is that clear?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, master Zelanus.’

(To someone in the hall): Did you have something?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, approximately six weeks ago you dealt with the book ‘Masks and Men’ for us.

You especially dwelt on the character of Frederik.’

Yes.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I have meanwhile read that book, I may say with great interest, and to a certain extent also with great satisfaction, at least the first two parts of the book.

I probably expected too much of the last part, and it disappointed me a bit.’

And the third part gives you the climax precisely.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Had you expected even more?

When René analyzes the cosmic laws, had you wanted even more from that?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I wanted to ask you two questions, master Zelanus, if it is allowed, about that character of Hans.

Hans who is a doctor, he experiences that René awakens, that René starts to hold his séances, the he starts to explain the laws, the occult laws, to science, to religion, isn’t it true?’

Yes.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘And Hans, about whom we hear that he was a high priest in the past, an initiate, he does not want to accept these things.

He was a conscious being in the past.

Why does he not remember these things and does he close himself off from what René tells?

That is one question.

With which I may connect: the end of this story is that Hans commits suicide, which I find something dreadful for an initiate, even more dreadful, I would say, than for an ordinary being.

It is also told that he remains attached to his material body for another four years, because then his time which he still had to serve here in the material is over.

But he does not need to return, despite the fact that he hated René, that he could even murder him, as Frederik tells you, despite the fact that he hit Elsje. In his material life, the last material life, there was therefore a lot of anger in him.

These are two questions for me which I find it difficult to answer.

I do not understand that.

They are contradictions for me.’

Why do you not understand that?

You must see that Hans as that personality really is .

And those are the facts.

And now you want to add even more, see more, experience more.

And that is not possible, because that human being was depicted like that.

And whether that human being ...

You say: an initiate ...

You do ...

Millions of people live here in society who ... a grade, and a temple in Ancient Egypt ...

You have thousands of lives behind you.

What do you know now for example about British India?

What do you know about that?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Nothing either.’

But you were there.

Do you see?

And every human being who has the feeling – you can just accept that – once tasted the mystics; and that is your sensitive feeling and thinking.

And what do you know about that now?

What do you know about your past, about your previous lives?

And that is still not any possession.

Can you feel this?

You can now speak about ‘and God is love’, and ‘God is just’, and you can ...

Do you not have those people in society, who are everything and nothing inwardly?

Hans had to and would still earn that.

Can you feel this?

He ...

You have the proof there.

I committed suicide in ‘The Cycle of the Soul’.

And Hans had the happiness there, let us say, it is happiness – it is time, it is a law – that he would live for four months or so many years, otherwise he would have to accept that whole rotting.

Can you feel this?

So ...

And was then released.

So it was his end, that was his last life on earth.

And then free to the astral world, with his anger, with his little hatreds and all the characteristics which he possesses.

Can you feel this?

And he can now begin there.

He gets help, because he knows.

You know.

You can all be reached soon.

And instantly you have that happiness in you.

The human being who is not open, who accepts the Catholic Church, Protestantism, who cannot let go of that, who has his hatred, you cannot reach him.

Then we are powerless.

You must be free.

But the character of Frederik, you should have seen that, that is the human being, the spiritual human being.

And now you must see what character traits you do not possess from all those people.

But become Frederik.

Can you feel this?

Become Anna.

That soul, that mother who accepts, and says nothing, and listens, and absorbs.

The human being speaks too much in general.

The human being does not think.

Anna thinks.

So you have analyzed the human being cosmically here, by means of the rottenness, the destruction, the horror, the darkness, by means of science, by means of insanity, by means of love and happiness, by means of your society; they are the masks and men.

And did you want even more from that?

They were already written cosmically.

The third part explains the masks, God, Christ.

What did you get from those books?

I asked recently: are you already a divine deliverer of letters?

A postman?

Did you understand those little stamps of Frederik?

Did you understand that?

When did you see a stamp of ten guilders, and one of a hundred, with the image of God on it?

Then you had to do with love.

Can you feel this?

I sell stamps of Our Lord every evening.

Do you need one of ten guilders?

Anything else?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘My thanks for the moment.’

(To the hall): Which one of you?

In ‘Masks and Men’ you can experience the cosmos, you can experience the hells, you can experience the heavens, you can experience insanity, psychopathy, science, and death.

And that brings you lilies-of-the-valley and daisies.

What else do you want?

The most wonderful novels which time, mankind will ever receive.

They will go over the world later.

And then they can write, write, write and analyze.

From those three books you can write thirty of them.

Did you know that?

Thank you.

Read them again, and get that out of them.

Because when you finally come ‘beyond the coffin’, with Frederik, and you see that, then you can ask yourself: have I now thrown that, and that, and those character traits overboard, have I conquered them?

And then you get the wonderful sandals.

Don’t you?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, do you know whether there are already many people residing, or living in the Divine All?’

In the Divine All?

How many people there are?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, not exactly, but I mean: are there already many of them?’

Yes, twenty-four. (laughter)

In the Divine All and in the spaces ... live ...

Now we can continue to talk for approximately a million years about millions of people.

Now we begin, and then we continue to talk for a million years.

And then we have ...

Then we must also talk another second about millions and then we have come to the moment, there are so many people.

It can be calculated.

It can be seen.

Every spark of this universe, all the atoms, they are billions, billions, billions of atoms, which are part of this firmament in which you live, this universe, which seems infinite, they are all people.

Can you feel this?

You can see: from every human being an atom, a new creation originated.

And everything which you see, is the representation of the human personality.

And then you can see a grade, a number of trees, a number of flowers, you can look at your nature, the animal world, on the land, in the waters, that all comes from the human being.

And now the human being himself.

And from each grade there is only one human being.

If you were to enter the waters and start to experience the cosmology of Mother Water ...

That means: water is motherhood, no more than that.

And what is your earth now, if you stand on the material, and live and feel?

What is earth now?

(Gentleman in the hall says something.)

What did you say?

What is Mother Earth now actually?

What is she actually?

You always speak about, we speak about Mother Earth, because she has giving birth.

And what is she now as planet-mother for the universe, for God, for her task?

What is she then?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Creating.’

Then she is creating.

Can you feel this?

Everything which you see was created, is visible creation.

And that is all, everything which you see is male; even if you think that it is female.

That is the creating power, the drive for motherhood.

Can you feel this?

We always speak from the universe to the earth.

You can always feel that.

We do not speak, we do not go from the earth to the spirit, but from the spirit to the material.

Do you understand this?

But in the All ...

Now you can ask yourself: do those millions of people in the Divine All not get in each other’s way?

And what do they get up to?

What do they do?

What do you do if you ...

The first sphere does not yet mean anything, nor the second yet, the third not yet, but it is only in the fourth sphere that you start to feel and think cosmically.

In the fourth sphere.

But what are you now?

What is that?

What do you become like as an astral, spiritual being?

What is your feeling, your knowledge, your thinking, your love, your harmony like?

What are you now?

Why can not one be taken, be taken away from those millions of stage?

Why is that not possible?

If one human being did not come into the hereafter, then this whole universe would collapse sooner or later, or this universe would have no more progress.

Do you accept this?

For one spark which does not return to the Divine All; then that grade of life stands still.

That is the creation.

That is God.

They are wind, they are rain, they are light, they are night, they are working, they are giving birth, they are creation.

We are one with everything.

If I am not there, if we are not there, my flowers do not live, then my sphere dies out.

These children (the flowers in the hall) are material.

Do you feel?

If I go from my space ...

An image.

Here is my dwelling.

That can be a temple of incredible beauty, the art, with my thinking; my wisdom, you see on the walls.

You got an image to a certain extent in ‘A View into the Hereafter, part III’, where André enters his house along with master Alcar, a spiritual house, a spiritual dwelling.

And then you lie in the ventricle of the heart, in the ventricle of the personality, that is the love.

And if you enter there, you will lose yourself with regard to the earth and that world.

But if I leave, I depart, then I elevate my dwelling in me, and you see that great, wonderful, spatial castle becoming hazy before your eyes.

We have that possession.

And then I go.

I can leave that there, because I am myself there.

That closes itself immediately.

We immediately lay an aura around us in order to close ourselves off.

Every insect does that.

The human being does that too, that is the possession of the human being.

We have ...

We cannot even analyze the first, the second, the third and the fourth sphere, the fifth and the sixth and the seventh anymore, because you no longer understand it, a sphere is so awe-inspiringly beautiful, wonderful, human, spiritual; the first, the second, the third sphere.

But you carry in that, you serve in that, you represent that space in that, as light, as human being, as love, as justice, harmony, as everything, as wisdom, as art and sciences.

If you have reached the fourth sphere, then there is nothing more which you do not know, everything belongs to you and it lives in you.

Can you feel this?

When I think now and you ask a question about the moon, about Mars, about that and that planet, and I go into that, then that planet must speak immediately.

Can you feel this?

And then we reach unity, then we dissolve.

I go, and that life enters me, that goes through me; until I say: ‘Go back.

Go, and rest.’

We reach unity in this way.

So you must experience, accept, and you must learn to think; to take possession of the being one with the life of God, all the life around you.

(To the hall): Anything else?

Over there.

There.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, is it cosmically responsible that a human being gives his life for someone who has been sentenced to death?’

Is it cosmically responsible that ...

What else?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘That another human being gives his life for a person sentenced to death.’

That a human being ...

For example, I am sentenced to death and you give ...

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘And I say: I want to take your place.’

That is suicide.

That is harsh and it sounds harsh, but it is absolute suicide.

Because you want to devote your life for something.

And you think that that is good, but that has nothing to do with cosmic goodness, because receiving dying and life, they are laws.

And now you can ... that law ...

Can you feel this?

You can give yourself, but not the law of life, as life, as human being, as personality.

No, you can ...

Look, we cannot help you.

I can talk, I can give you books and we can also give another two hundred books, you can read, and you can find all of that very nice, I can explain all of that to you; if you do not begin with it, you stand still.

So I cannot help the human being.

On the other side it is much more difficult to help the human being than here.

You can still do it here with words, and you just go again.

You have light, you have your city, you have your society, you have your care; and there you have nothing.

Then you sit in a cold.

If you are cold inwardly, you hate, you have characteristics which destroy, then you sit in that destruction.

And then we can and then another cannot help you.

So you must begin with it yourself.

And that is working, working, on the human being, in order to give the human being happiness, harmony, to give love.

And then you awaken yourself.

Just read ‘The Cycle of the Soul’.

And you did that, for that matter.

Did you have anything else?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No.’

So it is in fact the accepting of the suicide, no matter how good a thought you have.

Because you cannot dissolve the suffering and the destruction of the human being anyway, the human being must do that himself.

Those broken foundations must be repaired by the personality.

Can you feel this?

So I cannot give you ...

And God cannot do that either, and no Christ can do that ...

Christ cannot give you that, and God cannot give you that.

The human being must make amends again.

Can you feel this?

Because this is a divine deed, and this remains wonderful.

For example, the human being who fights and wages war, and thinks that he is protecting himself and another, is exactly the same, that is murder.

Can you feel this?

Because God has nothing to do with any peoples. God only has to do with life.

Is that clear?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, master Zelanus.’

There you are.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, can I perhaps have a drink?’

Wait a moment.

(Another lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, is reincarnation also applicable to the animal?

I will tell you why I am asking that.

For example, take anti-vivisection, vivisection, right ...

Anti- ...

Vivisection.

(Lady in the hall): ‘The laboratory.’

No, vivisection which is applied to the animal.

Is that not terribly cruel?’

That is cruel.

(Lady in the hall): ‘And then on the other hand also those animals which, may I say, have the life of a lady, a really fine life.

I have ...

Recently it occurred to me, yes, are the animals actually also subject to reincarnation?’

Yes, indeed.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Did they also, which people say, ‘deserve’ that, that they must have lead such a life that they get such misery here now?’

No, the animal did not deserve that, and the little animal, your little rat and your little mouse and your little rabbits did not ask for that, but that is the revenge, the torturing human being, the hating human being.

And the human being does everything for his study.

He does not only violate the animal, but also the human being.

He also violates himself.

That is wrong, irrevocably cosmically irresponsible.

But the animals reincarnate, come back.

But this torture, that must stop, of course.

That is cosmically, divinely, Christianly, Jerusalem-like – then you have to do with Christ – irrevocably irresponsible.

This is violating something.

There are also other circumstances, of course.

There are animal species who do not come back and who only have a short existence.

For example, a butterfly, and other animal species.

How do they come back?

What is the actual source, the actual core of your dog, your cat, and other animal species who have built up the multiplication for creation in a staggering way?

Can you feel this?

You come into the waters and you come on the land, and we find animal-like and water-like grades in there again, which are all destroyed by the human being.

And that is an early dissolving of this material organism.

Unfortunately, there are also little animals who only live for a few days and disappear as a personality, because the animal only has a mass grade.

Can you understand this?

So a rat represents as a mass, the rats, for example, that little animal represents as a mass one world, one body.

And that animal does not have any spiritual independence, it has a material independence, but the spiritual independence has been elevated as a mass to one world.

We have never talked about that before.

But vivisection is wrong for various things.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.

But as far as those dogs are concerned, you know, they are also sacrificed for vivisection.’

Every animal is tortured.

Now that torture is irrevocably the applying ...

When the human being ...

Look, the divine justice from this situation is: if you as an academic were to inject yourself ...

I would do that, irrevocably, even if millions of people go ...

You would be better to use the human being for study, just let him inject himself, instead of waging a war and shooting down hundreds of thousands.

Let those people inject themselves, and leave the animal alone.

If you ...

That was not deserved.

That doctor, that academic does not need to say on the other side: I gave something to mankind.

Yes, by means of the rabbit and the rat, but not by means of himself.

There are academics who injected themselves, they arrive in the hereafter, and said: I used my body for the development of mankind.

And now it is possession.

And if he injects himself and dies, then he still commits suicide.

Then he still goes into the ground with his wonderful study and he is attached to his organism.

Did you know that too?

Do you see?

Because those things, those laws, God did not create them.

The human being created the diseases, created the misery.

The human being destroyed himself, that already started in the jungle.

There ...

There are seven grades.

Did you read ‘The Origin of the Universe’, those books?

The human being begins in the jungle.

And the jungle being must go to the white race (see article ‘There are no races’ on rulof.org).

And there are seven grades, so seven different race types (see article ‘There are no races’ on rulof.org).

That human being from the jungle also enters the white race (see article ‘There are no races’ on rulof.org).

But millions of years ago we all lived in the jungle and then there was giving birth and creating there where the strongest conquered.

And then the seventh grade went, so the highest, to the fifth, to the fourth grade, with three, with two, with five, with one, with six; and then the natural source divided itself as a creating power, as an organism.

Do you understand this?

Because of that those bodies are now weakened.

Because we did not know any diseases, any troubles.

Diseases did not exist when we still lived harmonically and naturally.

But now those bodies are fragmented, weakened completely as cosmic products.

And then the human being, then that body actually started with destruction.

Because of that diseases originated, because of that all those diseases emerged, and now mankind has a mass of diseases.

But if the academic, if you as a human being want to get to know a disease, want to make it dissolve, then you must do that at your own expense and not that of the rabbit; that life has nothing to do with that.

So you got health.

You will feel: if you stand before the divine justice one day, then you will say, and you must accept that, then you close your eyes and you say: I do not want that health at the expense of the animal, because of the torturing of the animal; then I would rather stay sick myself.

Because that is spiritual feeling.

Am I right?

(To someone in the hall): What did you have?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, it is about that last question, from before the vivisection, so that you sacrifice your life for another.

If you see a child falling into the water and it will drown and you jump after it ...’

Here.

You now have, you now enter the ...

(Lady in the hall): ‘ ...in a burning house.’

Now you enter the seven grades, can you feel this, of helping, help, brotherly love, sisterly love.

Now every grade has, every action has a meaning and attunes itself of its own accord.

Now you come to the philosophical systems.

What is now good?

When may you do it and can you do that?

When are your responsible for your own life?

That deed is something entirely different.

That is conscious murder, and this conscious help.

This is conscious serving, and that is conscious destruction.

Can you not feel the difference?

The two infinite worlds, the darkness and the light?

You have light, and there, that question immediately takes you to the darkness; because I now serve the destruction.

I want to give the life to a murderer; what do I deserve, what can I reach by that?

You reach a human being there; even if you drown, then that is: you perished because of the serving.

That is not suicide.

(Lady in the hall): ‘The intention.’

That is ...

So you touch the higher development.

You touch justice, harmony, serving, love, and that takes you upwards.

And that does not destroy you.

Is that clear?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Thank you.’

So you get two different worlds.

So every thought has an own world: darkness or light.

And now you can distinguish the darkness of a deed, of your thinking, your feeling, you can distinguish that from the higher world.

We must live in this way.

So you come: can I do that?

Yes, go ahead.

That is help.

That is serving.

Of course, you go and help the human being.

And if you only for a moment ...

And then you go for a moment ... can I do that?

If people need you for destruction, then you immediately say: no, I cannot begin with that.

(To the hall): Which of you?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Yes, I will come soon.

(Lady in the hall): ‘I wanted to ask you, is it more difficult for women to be released from their bodies than for men?’

What did you say?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Is it perhaps more difficult for women to be released from their bodies than for men?

I have had an unusual experience.’

Is the mother released ...

(Lady in the hall): ‘Not completely free, from ...’

From her disharmony?

(Lady in the hall): ‘No, from her body, if she disembodies.’

That all remains the same.

You ask, you want to know whether the mother is released more easily, so the dying, than the man?

(Lady in the hall): ‘No.

I have an unusual experience in a dream.

I am standing looking at myself and I had help from above, I was speaking to someone whom I could not see.

And I was sitting on a very good armchair and saw my mirror image sitting opposite me there.

And suddenly someone said to me: no, that is not a mirror.

At this moment I understood myself: I am that myself, I have gone from my body.

But I was attached up to my knees.

And I woke up with a fright, and I was still lying in bed.’

With a fright.

No, just wait a moment.

(To someone in the hall who has to cough all the time): Here is some water for you from André and me.

You did not come above your knees.

(Lady in the hall): ‘No.’

And those knees now mean ...

(The lady says something else.)

When I am speaking, you keep quiet.

And those knees held onto you.

That is the consciousness, to here.

If you come above your knees, what does that mean now?

Then you must go out of that.

But this is earthly, physical holding on.

You have just looked outside of yourself.

You have seen the life outside the organism, and no more than that either.

But that is exactly the same for man and woman.

You ask: can the mother be released more quickly than the man?

Why?

This happens the more you have sensitivity.

Is that clear?

And the man has that, and the mother has that – there is no difference – the more you possess feeling.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Master, I have a small calculation.

Two thousand years ago then there were three hundred million people living on the earth.

Now alone it is seven times as many.

Now we go to four thousand years’ time: what must become of the earth?’

With so many people?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Why does the earth have so many people?

(Lady continue to cough.)

(To someone in the hall): Give that child a drop.

I have to eat that many drops for André, for those organs.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Liquorice sweets.’

Liquorice sweets.

Why are there so many people living on earth?

All of you are too many here.

You should already have disappeared long ago.

Do you know that?

You now have the life of another in your hands.

Do you know that too?

Do you accept that?

You all live in karma, in cause and effect.

And that means, because before you ...

We also did that.

Ruined our lives?

No, we brought ourselves into disharmony.

You all should have been on the other side for two million years.

So you have, so you represent the life and the time of another personality.

If we did not do any wrong things, then there would therefore not be so many people on earth.

But it will certainly not get jammed.

That will take care of itself, because those are universal, divine, spatial systems.

But, the earth has conscious evil.

And what is conscious evil?

The human being says: more and more people are being born.

Where do those people come from?

The human being keeps himself on earth for too long because of our wrong acting and thinking, murder, arson, hating and just destroying.

Because of that we attach ourselves again to five, six, twenty, thirty thousand different lives, because the earth holds us captive.

Is this divinely just?

You must, we must repair the last situation again, so the last deed and then we become free from the aura earth, and then we continue.

But at the moment there is not one human being on earth, so not one of the millions, millions of people, all those millions of people, except ...?

Which people, which grades of life are now in their just natural state of balance?

Do you see?

The white race (see article ‘There are no races’ on rulof.org), the highest mentality lives in cause and effect.

And where do you find the immaculate, pure attunement again?

(Hall): ‘In the jungle.’

In the jungle.

You are high, yes, indeed, you have achieved the highest consciousness for your society and the earth, but you are mostly busy destroying it.

Do you see?

And this is why there are too many people living on earth?

Yes.

Before ...

Only two people would live on earth for every two million.

So there are nine hundred thousand and so many people too many for two people.

And those people did wrong.

And now the earth holds you captive.

This is a spatial just picture.

This is the truth.

Do you see?

So the human being evolves, continues.

The human being who murders must return to the earth – so that is stopping – gets a new life, must return, must make amends.

And how many people have to make amends?

(Someone continues to cough.)

You must do something about that cough, my child.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘But those people remain hidden on earth through time?’

What did you say?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Can the people remain hidden on earth through time?

Because the people are becoming bigger and bigger.’

Bigger.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Even bigger.

You mean like a big tree?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No, the inhabitants.

You understand.’

You mean, the masses are becoming more dense.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘More dense, yes.’

Bigger, more dense, more dense, more dense.

There will soon be ten million people living in your city.

Can you feel this?

The earth is becoming smaller and smaller.

But the more we reach development, the earth and mankind will experience more in a hundred years than the human being was able to destroy in millions.

In a hundred years, soon, when the kingdom of God becomes conscious and the masters speak, the human being will say: stop now, now stop with that and this and that and so on. Can you feel this?

Now the priest and the little nun will ...

The little nun will now give birth, and the priest and the pope and the cardinals must create.

Because another mother must already give birth to a child again for that.

Now you must do that yourself.

You will feel, just become a priest, and just become pope, and just become cardinal, then you will already stand, not only because of murder, but also because of religion, because of being sacred, by being chaste, you stand still in your creation, and you prevent the development of the masses, mankind, because there are too many of you here, and thousands along with you.

You should already have been on the other side a long time ago.

But we all made those mistakes.

(To the hall): Is there anything else?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus ...’

Speak loud, because it is over there.

(Points to the microphone.)

(Lady in the hall): ‘I experienced a funeral at the Eastern Cemetery.

And I was standing there like that, around that grave.

And then there were fifteen or sixteen dark grey spirits standing there, at the head.

They looked over each others’ shoulders in order to see that.

Are they spirits who committed suicide, or can they go to that body just like that?’

Did you see them?

So you saw astral personalities at the grave.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.’

My child, I will tell you something.

When you are on the other side, and wherever you live, then you shiver from a grave.

That is so inferior and naïve and empty.

So what should, I ask myself that, what should all those beings which you saw have to experience there?

The human being sees so much.

But you can probably have received a picture from that graveyard, and then you see spirits, if you continue to think.

But were they there?

Were they conscious there?

You get images of thought, you get visions; but now the reality.

Were they there?

People see so much.

And that can come from you, the place can give you that as inspiration, but was that the reality?

(Lady in the hall): ‘I don’t know.’

That is what it is about.

Do you see?

So I must draw the truth, the possibility from this image.

I know myself, I went through those graves.

I no longer like those graves.

And wherever you come, in the darkness, or wherever, no one on the other side is interested in a grave.

(Lady in the hall): ‘They were dark grey.’

And we do not know dark grey.

If you have a dark grey personality, then you would have to live in the Land of Twilight, under the first sphere.

I do not believe that they go and look for their happiness, their eternity on the earth, material graves.

Do you see?

Those are the problems, that is the universe, that is the feeling: did you really see?

That is what it is about.

The human being sees so much.

Someone comes to André, and (she) says: ‘Well, do you see this?

I can see someone there.

He looks like that.

He looks, he says ... Oh, that aura, and that beautiful state, and that.

And can you see that child?’

But there was nothing.

André says: ‘You are talking nonsense.

They are all your thoughts.

There is nothing, nothing at all.

But do you know this, can you see that?’

‘No.’

‘Can you not see that?’

‘No.’

‘Can you not see that person either?’

‘No, I cannot see him.’

‘This is real now, those two people, because they are your father and your mother.

I will give you the pieces of proof.’

And then she began to weep.

This was real.

They had already been following her for months, in order to reach her.

But she did not see that.

‘I have already been busy now for two years’, the father says, ‘but I cannot reach ‘the wretch’.

That is his child, ‘the wretch’, because she was busy on a dark path.

She saw a little woman there, she saw a child there, she saw a violet, gold aura, but she did not see her father and mother, she did not feel them.

Do you see?

Now we come to images, own feeling, visions.

What does the place mean?

What does the thing mean?

Something is always seen at a grave, but do you see the reality?

Do you not see the grave of the world, that grey, dark mass?

Do you see?

That is the only grave for the whole of mankind.

That is cold and grey.

Is that not really bible-like?

Are they not the thoughts of the people, which mankind possesses?

Can you feel this?

Then it is possible to ... your own thoughts ...

Because you determine a colour, I can already establish whether you saw, whether you saw the reality, or that those things reached consciousness from you.

And then you started to feel.

That can be the place, that can be the thought itself, the state ...

In which you thought, you felt, you experienced, at that moment?

Do you see?

Hundreds of things come to you, and from that only the spiritual truth can give you something, and that is the pain.

(To the hall): Is there anything else?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Those people who passed over from serious diseases, can they quickly release themselves from that?’

You are released from that within ten seconds, in a millionth of a second, if you have the consciousness, of course.

If you have ...

If you live under the sphere, under the reality, you will feel ...

If you have that reality in you, then you are free; and if you are under that reality, then you still continue to walk round for thousands of years with that same disease on the other side.

You still have your pains.

If you have had those and those troubles, then you also have those pains.

Why?

Because your personality is not any different.

Can you feel this?

That is exactly the same as the cremation, just let yourself be burnt.

You walk round with that fire.

And then the human being says: but we are free from the organism.

But, your spirit is unconscious.

You do not know and feel the reality, so you experience that unreality consciously, you are not any different.

(To the hall): There?

Who asked something there?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, I wanted to ask you a question, and that question will perhaps have been asked more often.

I have always been in conflict with that, and they are two questions.

The human being got a free will, didn’t he?’

Not got.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Does he have that himself?’

No, the human being is will.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Oh.’

So not from himself either.

The human being is will.

And will is working.

And wanting has, represents your whole, higher, philosophical, cosmic dictionary.

The will is so deep.

And now?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Now I want to ask this: now the human being lives in his karma, cause and effect; so then I would think that he cannot struggle against that cause and effect with his own free will.’

What happens now when you murder?

What happens now with your will?

What did you do now when you murder?

You go into military service and you start to murder people, what happens now with your will?

You have a divine will.

The will is life, divine just life.

Is that clear?

That is the will.

The will is also a personality; the will is feeling, the will is soul, the will is spirit.

But what happens now when you do wrong, steal, murder, commit arson, hate, accept the violence?

What happens now with your divine will?

(Lady in the hall): ‘That is consciously disengaged.’

You bring yourself ...

So you fragment the divine independent self in you, and now your will no longer has any meaning.

What is a psychopath?

What is an insanity?

Do you see?

So the human being has, now your question will be answered, the human being has darkened and fragmented his divine will, until there is no longer any spiritual will.

And that is no longer there either.

Is that clear?

Socrates began with that.

In Ancient Egypt we had to let go of and conquer the will, the life.

Then the life had ...

That will has a nervous system, a brain system, a muscle system, and then the spirit.

We had to conquer that life – what now becomes the will? – by means of feeling, thinking, experiencing.

And then you therefore become a living conscious self.

Do you see?

And this is awe-inspiringly deep.

It is cosmically deep.

Only for that, if you want to conquer the human will ...

But the human being is still not capable of that, nor the Oriental.

He can achieve something.

But not one person has experienced the cosmic will yet.

And why not?

Because the human being lives in destruction and darkness.

Is that clear?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Thank you.’

Did you have anything else?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No.’

(To the hall): Which of you?

Yes.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Artificial insemination for people, is that cosmically responsible or not?’

Art- ...

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘-ificial insemination for people.’

Now you should tell the people about that insemination.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Fertilization, artificial fertilization.’

Do you see?

Now they understand it.

Did you know what that was, insemination?

(Hall): ‘No.’

The children do not understand that.

You can ...

There are mothers ...

In the big cities ...

I believe that your people do not have it yet, you will be able to experience here soon too.

There are cities where the mother can be fertilized by the doctor.

Look.

It now concerns one core: there are mothers, who are not capable, because the character is not like that ...

Because the mothers would have to go and ask over the earth: please give me a child.

If tomorrow that mother, you are married, comes to you in the street and asks: ‘Can I get a child from you?’

Will you do it then?

No, you do not do that.

And why not?

(It remains quiet.)

Yes ...

Can you feel this?

The human being is married, the human being has signed, but for God you have not signed, for God you are not married.

But now that mother comes to you.

And you are there, you are alone there.

Perhaps there are more men.

And that mother piously asks for the child from you, because in the universe, from the universe she is influenced in order to give birth to a child.

And there is no creation.

That mother is not there, and you will not meet that mother either.

That mother is searching for that herself, and will find it too.

But there are mothers who cannot interpret those words and are now driven to science in order to give birth and to attract a child.

Do you see?

You had to, or another had to do that.

But that is not necessary, because that mother already lives in disharmony.

Can you feel that?

When ...

I have ...

André once explained that, if the human being really wants to give birth, and you experience that at a hundred percent, then you just go through the cities, you go somewhere, you have a seat in nature, and at that and that and that time the creator is next to you.

Do you not know those laws?

Then that life comes to you, and that life will give birth and create.

But that mother is unconscious, of course, that mother has no feeling, she has no space, she has no loved one, so she is now driven to science.

And what does it matter to you, what does it matter whether she is fertilized by the injection needle of the doctor or from somewhere else?

Creation remains creation.

Can you feel this?

But that child would get married.

There are creating powers on earth, that is the man, and now that child would have to go to the creating power ...

But now ...

What do you want now?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘So that has no adverse influence on the character traits of that child?’

Of course not.

And now ...

Now the nice part, now the most wonderful part: now she gets her child.

You know, you will attract that life which belongs to you.

And now you can ...

And whether you now, and whether you now ... by means of ...

I will explain a law to you. We experienced those laws, we followed those laws. There are seven men, one mother.

And then ... have ...

As priests we thought of all of that.

The high priest says: ‘One of yours will attract a Great Winged One, but he will be touched by the soul.’

And then we went into meditation.

One of us will be it.

And one was it.

And he was not capable of it, he neither, and that one neither; one was it, and he attracted the Great winged One in Ancient Egypt.

...(inaudible) had contact with that life and the mother was fertilized.

Now the mother is ...

Now you must think carefully.

Now you could think, if you go into that more deeply, now you could think: is it now possible that that life space for the soul, so the attracting of the soul, just like that by means of the sperm now, now the sperm is personality, can that law – that sperm now – disrupt?

And that is not possible either.

Can you feel this?

Now ...

Because it does not come down to who gives birth, who creates; it comes ...

Now one law goes to the universe and comes back, and that is only the giving birth.

A soul comes to earth, in whatever way.

But that soul is born, and that becomes a child.

And that is now the law.

And now you become hazy, and another, and every attraction, and every karma, or cause and effect, becomes hazy, because this is the divine law and it triumphs.

Can you feel this?

But if ...

Problems were experienced by the human being, which are awe-inspiring.

And they are usually experienced in the East.

Those things happen here in society, yes, indeed.

But in the East you meet a mother, who is conscious, and says: and I will get my child.

And then you are it.

And you are married and you have children.

And now you would say ...

And if you now enter the universe, the universal thinking, then your society thinks wrongly, but in the universal thinking you have to give her that child, that soul.

You do not destroy anything here, you do not insult anyone, you do not deceive anyone, because you are serving God, you are serving the evolution, and that task comes as a law to your life.

Do you see?

So for God there is no deception.

Only then if you look for that deception, and build, and create yourself.

Is that clear?

So you must not ask for those things, but those things would, those laws would be able to come to the human being from the universe.

Is that clear?

And then you have experienced the spatial divine law of justice for giving birth and creating.

And then there is no question of destruction, of sullying, of unfaithfulness. There is no unfaithfulness for God, if you do not look for it yourself.

Can you feel this?

Because that cannot be approved of, of course.

You start to destroy yourself, you start to create, to give birth to, to look for disharmony yourself.

But if the divine law speaks, then that cell is, that consciousness, that personality as mother or as man, is called.

Can you feel this?

And even if you were to have to go to America or to the jungle, that soul as law calls; and then you are it, because you are God.

Can you feel this?

Those are the cosmic systems.

And they go outside of your thinking, they go straight through the universe, go higher and higher and connect themselves to the origin of the All-Source, the All-Mother, the All-Life, the All-Light, because that has that All-Light, that All-Mother, that All-Father, and that lives in you.

And then the human, social laws become hazy.

Can you feel this?

You have ...

You are wed, you are man and wife, but not for God.

You are only mother and creation for God.

Is that clear?

You are wed, you call it: you are married, and you are wed; on the other side you lose that immediately, because there we love universally, and I serve thousands of men as creating power, and the mother serves millions of lives as one mother.

So we serve for that sphere, that space, that cosmic happiness, that justice, that harmony, that love.

Clear?

I can also write ten books about that.

(To the hall): Is there anything else?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, you once said: if the mother has said ‘yes’, then she has said ‘yes’ for God; or if the man has said ‘yes’.’

If you say ‘yes’ ...

You get married ...

You mean that marriage?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.’

You get married and you say ‘yes’, then you say ‘yes’ for your personality and law of life.

Can you feel this?

If a disturbance comes because of death, the ending of this life, a separation, so one goes into ‘the coffin, the other remains alive, then you will be able to say for the earth ‘I am free.’

You are free, of course.

But there for the universe the word yes is ‘yes’ and ‘no’ is no.

When you get married here ...

For God the human being will soon no longer need to get married.

Of course order is needed in your society.

But on the other side our word is ‘yes’, and that remains ‘yes’ eternally, ‘yes’ in everything.

And when it is ‘no’, it is also irrevocably ‘no.’

(Lady in the hall): ‘ ... in the marriage, when a man and a woman have come together, love each other, and belong to each other ...’

Each human being ...

(Lady in the hall): ‘ ... then you may not let each other down, after all.’

That is not possible for the universe.

But now break your ‘yes’.

When you say ‘yes’, then you have there, to that man ...

He must ask that, and that is very nice.

When he says: ‘You will ... each other ...’

And when you marry before a clergyman, and that clergyman says, of course: ‘You will love each other, and be faithful, you will be just.’

And then you say ‘yes’, but the day after tomorrow it is already ‘no.’

And then one and the other break the word, the sacred ‘yes’, by means of a snarl, by means of a growl, by means of destruction, by not understanding, and then the victims come.

And then you can already go.

The first one who already hits, even if they are just words, that is already the destroyer.

But now we have to ...

Now you could, if you were spiritually conscious, if you were therefore in the first sphere, then you could – in other words: free from cause and effect – then you could, because the human being hits you with words, or with something else, then you could already separate now.

Because the human being is a divine, spiritual ...

For God you are married, so for God that human being has already broken his love, and then you could already go.

Because he hits, or she hits you away from these words.

If you have the first sphere.

And why do we say now: finish a task.

Why do we say that?

Because you all live in cause and effect.

Because you will have to begin with it again soon anyway.

So if you now really possess the first sphere ...

You snap at me, you snap my head off, and you do wrong, and I have suffering and sorrow because of you, then I can go immediately, because I have the first sphere as justice in my possession.

If I do nothing myself against it.

So no evil, do not answer evil with evil.

Or I will fall with you, and she will fall with me.

Is that clear?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.’

So the spatial justice places you irrevocably before the eternal ‘yes’.

Wherever ...

Wherever you live, in whatever state, for God and the universe you represent ‘yes’, ‘yes’, ‘yes’, ‘yes’.

(Lady in the hall): ‘But is unfaithfulness not worse than snapping and snarling?’

If unfaithfulness ...

We find unfaithfulness again with the person who has laid the foundations for the unfaithfulness.

Thousands of people came to André.

But we deal with those things in the spheres.

If you come to me and you complain about your husband, then we start to see you as the one to blame.

And why?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Cause and effect?’

The human being who loves universally, does not complain.

So you are already weak.

We cannot give you the full hundred percent.

We cannot analyze your situation.

Why not?

You are already weak.

Or the truth and the reality will reveal themselves in you yourself.

But unfaithfulness, what is unfaithfulness?

When the human being hits with words ...

If you really want to grow in each other, then you will begin with peace.

And the first harsh, wrong, destructive word, is the destruction for yourself and the other.

Then the other already has the right to go for God and the universe.

He can say: I do not want that snarling, that destruction, because I do not want anything to do with destruction and snapping and snarling, with lies and deception and unfaithfulness.

And now this is: go.

And now this child gets a love, isn’t it true, and then you call that unfaithfulness.

But you sent him to that other love, which the child is open to, it is a child, it is a human being ...

And he deserved that, or she deserved that.

And you call that unfaithfulness, but this child got that unfaithfulness, as love.

If you cannot do it, then God says, then I will send you another child, who does possess it.

But if you start to look for this, you will also get your beating there again.

Because, you will feel, the core is there: disharmony, cause and effect live in you.

Because you still do not have that first sphere, the human being still does not have that first sphere.

So you still cannot say: I am going, and I will be unfaithful.

Then you only just make it worse, you darken yourself.

And the spiritual sphere has nothing to do with unfaithfulness, only with love, true love.

And if it becomes ‘yes’ and ‘no’ again – you will feel where that is going – this is the path to the darkness.

Even if it seems very nice for you; but it is still the path to the darkness, because the human being wants that wanting, and wants to experience that, and the human being can search and search and search, that whole world ...

Yes, indeed, you can meet a grade of feeling, a character trait in the other human being which you also possess, and then you have harmony.

You feel here for those teachings, and if you had a husband or another personality who says: I want nothing to do with that deception, with that nonsense, then you already have in that, if you feel strongly for that wisdom and development, then you already have sorrow in that, and then you already live alone.

And when ...

Because this becomes human, male and female being one and is the cosmic foundation for your life, for your society, and because of this you can take care of your whole life and all the ups and downs, the troubles in that society, because you are one.

Do you see?

Also again, you can write ten books about that, about that question.

You will feel where that question is going.

But for God and the universe ... we say: finish that task.

André fought for people in order to keep them together.

But with other people he says: you can now separate already, just go.

But they do not do that.

Why not?

Should we tell even more?

You can go; because you do not need to be beaten if you have no karmic law in you yourself.

You beat the human being in a previous life, destroyed the human being, and now you will have to take care and have to carry this life, that human being again.

Now you are beaten; and now you do not accept it.

Do you see?

This is why I say: that first sphere.

When can you say: I am free from sins and faults?

Now just cast stones?

We always get the last word.

No, the spiritual wisdom as law triumphs over material, over material thinking, feeling, marriage, love.

What is love?

You ask and you experience love?

Yes, indeed, but what is love?

The human being does everything for that.

And if the human being wants to grow, the human being gets love.

Isn’t it true?

You run aground, you go to pieces with regard to such a small character trait.

If only that was gone, then the human being would be spacious again, great, loving, kind-hearted.

That becomes the carrying.

And we must do that, or the sphere says: go from my life.

Christ only interpreted sphere happiness.

‘Go away from me, Satan.

Go away from me, untruth.

Go away from me, snarling, snapping, destruction.’

Why can you not bow your head for each other?

Why can you not accept each other for a thousand percent in love?

When you yearn, when the human being yearns; however strange it is, if it is for the good, is for the awakening, then the macrocosmos bows to your will.

And now your will is strong and powerful.

But now the human being lets himself be influenced, and now the human being remains at home; he refuses, he does not do it, he does not go there, he says: my wife does not want that.

Or she says: my husband does not want that.

I do not understand why those souls long for that.

There are people who never get enough?

No, the divine awakening has been born.

Can you feel?

And it has nothing more to do with material thinking and feeling.

If you do not want, then one goes ahead of you, those character traits get wings.

And soon, in only a few years’ time, you will experience that, we experience that in the spheres and you can experience that here with yourself, for yourself, then one being rises out above the other, spiritually; and that is then your spiritual possession ‘beyond the coffin’.

But she must live like that.

Millions of children, men and women, want to go back to the earth when they see the light on the other side, in order to be able to experience the mother again, to be able to give her everything, in order to be mother in the very first place.

And the mother on earth, and the husband, they do not understand each other.

They see the human being, they feel the human being, yes, material feeling and thinking.

The spiritual aura, the spiritual floating, and the spatial exploring, the being one with every thought which can be spatial, the human being still does not want that.

And we live in that.

What is love?

What do you want?

Which love do you wish to possess?

Do you see?

(To the hall): Which one of you?

Yes.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, if two beings from different grades connect with each other, which grade is attracted then?’

If two people ...

connect, you call that.

You hold onto marriage?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No ...(inaudible) marriage.’

If two people connect, husband and wife, and they attract a soul, do you mean that?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

And what do you want to know now?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Which grade is attracted then?’

The grade of life with whom you are involved because you once denied that life the life.

So we are not involved with any grade of consciousness, we are only involved with cause and effect.

If you have your child here, then it is possible that your child must serve you, or you the child.

And as a mother you already have to serve in the first place, because you gave birth to that child as a mother.

Because as father, as creating power, as a husband you have nothing to serve, we cannot serve.

Only the mother is capable of serving.

Not the husband.

The husband walks along and next to creation.

Can you feel this?

Because only motherhood connects you with the cosmology for the universe and your divine attunement.

Anything else?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘So it is like this, that if two people, isn’t it true, from a different grade, connect together, that then the grade of the mother is attracted.’

What did you say?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘The grade of the mother is attracted.’

(Hall): ‘No.’

You are not listening.

I say: if you create and the mother gives birth, then you attract the soul, one of you, with whom you are involved.

So you now have to do with the law of personality, with the law of karma; and that soul as human being comes to you.

The mother gives birth.

And the mother is already the one who offers the possibility of making amends for you.

So ...

The mother must attract the child, that soul, and you have to do with that at this moment.

It could also be that the mother has to do with the child.

But because she belongs to you, she serves you, so that you can make amends to a life with whom you were involved centuries and centuries ago.

No more than that.

Do you understand it now?

So outside of everything, outside of the personality, you are always and eternally involved with the life in the human being, and with nothing else.

Is that clear?

Because when your child gives you something, then that is a gift, then this child serves you.

And if society gets something from your child, then that life serves – not your child, but that life – that serves the evolution.

So this happens outside of society.

You always just see that socially again, and that is for mankind, and that is for our people ...

God does not know any mankind, God does not know any people, and God does not know any human being, God only knows His life, and you are life.

Do you see?

(To the hall): Anything else?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Over there.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, in the first place I thank you sincerely for the spiritual wisdom which you have given us this evening.

And in the second place I want to ask you something.

A short time ago, not a short time ago, but three years ago I had an appointment with an older gentleman, who was already eighty, and he said to me: “Do you believe in God?”

Then I said: “Yes, I believe in God.”

Then he says: “Well, I do not know for certain.

But do you go to church?”

I say: “No, I do not go to church, because I really do not feel ... that means, I believe in God, but I do not need the minister.”

And then he says: “Now make an agreement with me: when I pass over and there is really something else, then I will try to reach you.”

Then I say: “Fine, sir.”

A short time ago, on the nineteenth of January, this gentleman passed over.

And a week and a half later, I put it down to my exhausted nerves, but I am not very sure, this is why I come to you with that question, and put it to you, one night I had a terrible intrusion by several people, and I was very afraid.

And I said: “Oh Jesus, my God, not this.”

And it was suddenly gone.

How do you explain this?’

Human beings agree with each other: I will come back to you if there is life ‘beyond the coffin’.

And this is already a universal mistake.

But why?

(Lady in the hall says something.)

Because you do not have the possession now in order to reach the human being, that feeling lives in the human being.

And from the moment that the human being has passed over, you as a human being start to attract, and now there comes ...

The person with whom you agreed that cannot come, because he has to learn the laws, and that is not so simple.

But now another comes, and he wants to reach you now.

And in this way thousands can come who therefore pick up your feelings – you have that sensitivity – and they were not luminous, loving personalities, they came for something entirely different.

Because they picked up your maternal sending out.

And you most certainly found that not nice, not great.

Is that true?

(Lady in the hall): ‘I do not understand it.’

You did not understand it.

But did you feel ...

You did not understand it, this is why I am explaining it.

So your feeling, that agreement, it started to send out.

And then that creating power, that acquaintance, or that friend of yours, it could be your father, or whoever, did not come, because he was not capable of it.

But your thoughts and feelings were picked up by astral personalities, and they came to you.

And in this way people from the other side get contact with the human being, by means of an agreement.

Do you understand it now?

(Lady in the hall): ‘No, because those feelings were very child-like towards this person.

How could I get back angry impressions?’

That influence ...

You have ...

That friend of yours, that personality, he can live in love, he can live in the first sphere, all good.

But he was not capable of bring you that message.

Do you understand this?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Now you send out those feelings, because that agreement lives in you, and it starts, from the moment that the human being dies, it starts to send out that source.

And that sending out was picked up by astral beings, and they came to you.

So that friend of yours, that love, he had nothing to do with that.

But something else came.

Have you read ‘Spiritual Gifts’?

(Lady in the hall): ‘No, I have ...’

In that book you can experience and read similar examples, and then you start to understand that.

But can you feel now what happened?

Do you understand it now?

Do you still not understand it?

(Lady in the hall): ‘I cannot say ‘yes’, because I do not understand it.’

Have you still not read any books?

(Lady in the hall): ‘No ...

In my opinion ... ’

Can you not understand this then?

I pass away from you and I say to you: ‘If I can, and there is something, then I will come back, and I will warn you, I will give you a message.’

Isn’t it true?

Now I come to the other side and I am not capable of doing that, because, after all, I do not know the astral life, do I?

(Lady in the hall says something.)

I am speaking, wait a moment.

I come to the other side, I have that world, it is a spatial deep world, and I am not capable – I still have to master those laws – I am not capable of coming back to you. I say: ‘See me, here I am.

Can you hear me?’

No, you cannot see me and you cannot hear me.

But you send out your feelings and they are picked up by others around me, or lower spheres, or whatever, that does not matter, they are picked up. And one of them there says: hey, there is a mother to be experienced. And the astral personality goes for that.

So you received a vision through spiritual personalities who had nothing to do with me, because you were sending out.

Do you not understand this?

(Lady in the hall says something.)

That’s it.

Thank you.

I have been warned.

(The sound technician has given a signal.)

(To the hall): Is there another question?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

One more question.

(To someone in the hall): Yes.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, you always tell us: we are not given anything, we must earn everything.’

Yes.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘But all your books speak about mercy; how do you explain this?’

There are no mercies.

Master Alcar said: ‘This is a mercy’, but then the books were described and experienced as a human being.

Can you feel this?

So you can ...

Do you call this which André has ... He writes, he paints, he can heal, he sees, he has some ten, twelve, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, twenty gifts – you already have it – they are gifts, aren’t they?

That is true, isn’t it?

They are gifts from Our Lord?

(Hall): ‘No.’

No, I am not talking to you, I am talking to that gentleman.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I will speak for myself in future.’

They were earned.

So, in Ancient Egypt ...

Read ...

This is why we brought ‘Between Life and Death’, ‘A View into the Hereafter’.

But if we come to the cosmology, then you will have to earn everything.

So André-Dectar, Jozef Rulof is ready to proclaim this, to bring this.

Or did you think that that child from ‘s-Heerenberg could have written those twenty-four, twenty-five cosmic works himself?

So ...

And you will read it in ‘The Origin of the Universe.’

Master Alcar says there: ‘You were an astronomer there; now we will begin in order to bring that life wisdom from this world to the earth, and you will yearn for that.’

And then André became, then Dennis Lefton became ‘will’ to be born and to bring that to the earth, like Moses also and millions of others, men and women, got their new life.

Is it clear now?

But you will earn everything.

But if you come across that in the books, then it was written for the human being who still lives in that mercy-like conscious or unconscious.

Can you feel this?

So adapted to the social, dogmatic, biblical thinking.

Because you will feel, master Alcar, the masters could not have begun immediately with cosmology, André, even as Jeus, could not have understood that.

That was built up gradually.

Clear?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

My sisters and brothers, I am going.

I thank you.

Are you satisfied?

(Hall): ‘Yes.’

Then go to sleep peacefully, then you will be peaceful in your actions, you will learn to think, you will learn to feel, you will always just be gentle, because you can explain things peacefully and spiritually, and then you will really grow for your being a friend, for your fatherhood and motherhood, being a man and being a woman, in each other.

Is that not true?

See you soon.

I thank you for your flowers.