Good evening, my sisters and brothers.

(Hall): ‘Good evening, master Zelanus.’

Who can ask me a question?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, is the human being influenced by earth rays or not?

Is that possible?’

Yes, indeed.

You can, you can be irradiated in various ways, manners, by Mother Earth.

We have the animal-like, the pre-animal-like, coarse-material, material and the spiritual radiance of the earth, that also exists.

You sometimes come into a climate and then you say: hey, how lovely it is.

You can experience places where you get cancer, become sick, and you can experience nature with an immaculate, spiritual radiance, by means of which you are healed.

That is true.

Over there.

(To the hall): Anything else?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Does it have to do with your karma?’

Mother Earth does not know any karma.

No.

That does not have to do with karma, does it?

When you walk over the earth, is that karma?

No, that has no karma at all.

Just think it through, and then you can come back soon.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, if children die on earth, does that mean that the cycle on earth has been completed?’

It can be completed, and it can also mean that the soul dissolves directly in the world for the unconscious, the reincarnation, and returns to the earth.

(To the hall): ‘Who?’

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, master Zelanus, I would like to know from you: the brain, it has a regulating function, doesn’t it?’

Yes.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘But now, why is the weight of a woman’s brain less than that of the man?’

If only you knew.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, medical knowledge does not give that.’

Why?

Why not now?

Why does the mother have ...

You should know it from the books ‘Spiritual Gifts’.

I recorded something in there, by means of which the mother cannot represent any art of Rembrandt, Titiaan, Bach, Beethoven.

That is not possible.

And the mother has her normal brain.

And because you stand next to creation as creator, your brain grows to a certain extent.

Clear?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Thank you.’

There is one answer in the universe.

But I take it back to ‘Spiritual Gifts’.

Do you see?

You can go on with it, I could fill volumes, but by recording that, that the mother ... no ... The mother cannot be elevated.

Because the man, the creator, stands outside of motherhood – that is the highest art – the life of feeling grows, the central nervous system, everything grows, the brain too.

There is only one cosmic answer, and I am giving you that.

(To the hall): Did you have anything else?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, I thought that you once said that a ghost is attached to his place for so long, until his karma has ended.

How is that possible, if he is separate from his body anyway?’

A ghost can be attached to himself for a thousand years. Not to karma, but to himself.

That is a big difference.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.’

This is the answer.

So not to the karmic law.

That body has dissolved.

But the ghost is attached to the deed, and to the personality, to the feeling.

What can you compare that with again?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Until it has dissolved.’

No, we have written books.

You see, for every word and thoughts you have books.

Where do you read that?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘The Cycle of the Soul.’

No.

As well.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘The Grebbe Line.’

I only have the first books in my head. ‘A View into the Hereafter’.

There are seven worlds in order to be released from feelings.

So if you want to continue to live in that darkness, you will not become free either.

Is that true?

So ‘The Cycle’ goes too far once again.

Only ‘A View into the Hereafter’, you will read it there.

(To the hall): Is there anything else?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Go on.

(Lady in the hall): ‘If we have now experienced the temples, because we were attracted to these teachings, why are we all still pupils now?

Did we gain so little wisdom then?’

You have enough wisdom, not the feeling yet.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Oh yes.’

What is now a law, an occult gift?

The word, the answer which I gave you to that question there, there is no one in the world capable of giving you that answer, even if you go to the yogis, to the initiates in the East.

It is cosmically deep.

It is a cosmically responsible law.

You do not yet have the feeling.

And for five grams of sensitive feeling for this gift, speaking, wisdom, you need thirty lives, thirty full lives.

What do you learn in this life?

Nothing.

You only know.

If you do not begin with it, you will learn nothing.

You must begin to examine, to get to know, the body, the spirit, the universe, God, Christ, everything.

And you do not even do that.

The human being does not want that.

You only learn dogmatic theories, no more than that.

But you must begin with: yes is yes, and no is no, love, justice, harmony.

Then you lay foundations for your western personality.

But now the spiritual personality; and it feels, it sees, it hears, it can explain these laws.

And that is a university, that is science.

This is the very last thing which there is.

(To the hall): Did you have anything else?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, you sometimes read about premeditated murder, that is then, if it was you yourself, you premeditate yourself what you will do.

But it is also sometimes that a murder happens because of influence.

What is the value of the murder for the person who is influenced?’

If you want to murder me consciously, you are a conscious murderess.

But every murderer, remember this, every murderer is under influence, even if it is premeditated a thousand times by you.

We discovered and saw: thousands of murders happen consciously, so premeditated, prepared, thought out.

And that human being is still innocent in prison now.

But he was open to it, no more than that.

There are millions of people locked up in prison, because of murder, and there are probably a thousand true, conscious murders among them, so the person who committed the murder consciously.

Why?

It goes that far.

And why?

You are ...

There is not one human being in the world who is free from astral influence.

You all have your haters, your destroyers in the astral world.

And they still always try to get you, to destroy you.

They exist, because you have had thousands and thousands of lives.

If you can also say here on earth: I do not take part in hatred, I do not want any lust, any lies, any deception, then you are also ready for the other side; because here you are influenced, not anymore on the other side, people take you there consciously.

Is that clear?

If you can say ‘no’ here, and it remains so, then that is a spiritual foundation.

But every murderer has contact, because that hatred, that jealousy, you will feel, it goes so far and so deep, it is absorbed, and then you are under influence.

But, finally, even if you only have to do with that murder with five grams of feeling, that murder happened because of you; you get saddled with it for a hundred percent, anyway.

Can you feel this?

It goes ...

That personality which has you under its influence, must account for and make amends for that, but you get everything anyway.

Because we must make sure that we cannot be influenced.

It is only then that it is our possession.

So if a murder happens because of me, someone is robbed of life, even if I get ninety-nine percent influence, that one percent is from me, and is total, and chases me out of society.

I must bear the responsibility anyway, because my life was open to hatred.

So you cannot explain it away.

(To the hall): Anything else?

Is there anything else?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, if you were mummified in one life, you told us ...’

If in one life you were ...?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, mummified.’

What did you just say?

(Lady in the hall): ‘If you were a mummy.’

Mummified.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.

Then five percent remains attached to it.’

Yes.

(Lady in the hall): And does that life of feeling also remain attached to that life in all those lives?’

If you ...

I explained to you one evening, when that question was asked, if the human being lets himself be embalmed life in life out, you get thirty, forty, fifty, a hundred lives; in the long term you are attached to all those mummies, those bodies, and your personality dissolves of its own accord because of that.

You now fragment your life of feeling.

And later you walk in a world, you are there and you are not there, until those bodies dissolve.

Embalming is irrevocably wrong.

Cremation is wrong, but embalming even worse.

You remain attached to that world, to that body.

(To the hall): Anything else?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Thank you.’

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, does that go that far, that all those mummies, I will just say, would then be destroyed ...’

That dissolves then.

(Lady in the hall): ‘ ...would that be better for that personality?’

That carbonized, dried out tissue must dissolve.

There is not so much life aura anymore.

Look, the more those tissues ...

They are still alive; everything which lives, which you see, is alive.

Now we get conscious spiritual aura and unconscious aura.

And this is already unconscious, that means, the tissues no longer have any viability and are dried out.

But your life of feeling is attached to that being, and that requires five, seven, up to ten percent in power of feeling, therefore life aura, conscious.

Still not even living aura, so conscious power, but your life of feeling.

So this goes straight to the day consciousness, not for the human being, but for the rebirth, for the cosmos, for the reincarnation.

You are lying there, and you are lying there, and there, and you are being fragmented.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Then it is actually a mercy to destroy all those mummies.’

That is a mercy, yes, indeed.

The world still has a lot to learn, at least mankind, because about mystical, spiritual ...

These are not mystical laws.

You know, we speak from spiritual science.

We live in that source.

And this is a wrong foundation for all of this mankind.

Millions of people have themselves embalmed, and in the East they do yet other wrong things, there people already put the child on the fire, and even more crazy things; all nonsense with regard to the pure law of nature ‘dying and growing’.

This is growing again, dying is growing towards: a new life.

And then the spirit needs, the personality needs the aura of the body in the coffin.

A great many auras, seven different auras.

(To the hall): Is there anything else?

Yes.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, what is the final sphere of existence of a child which ...’

The final sphere of existence of a child which ...

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘ ... which leaves the child sphere?

I mean this: if a child passes over and is absorbed in a child sphere, and it is adult, then it goes to the sphere of existence, doesn’t it?’

Then you must first ask me: how long will that take?

That could be five seconds, five years and five thousand years, and five centuries, five ages.

And it can happen in seven seconds, in seven hours, in seven weeks, seven months.

The more the feeling in this life for that other sphere is present.

Can you feel this?

So now every being has an own personality, a sphere, a world, and that world is conscious or unconscious, and spatial.

Clear?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

(To the hall): What did you have?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, master Zelanus.

The earthly science accepts that ebb and flow happen by means of the power of attraction of the moon.’

Yes.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘And now one of these days I read an observation by an astrologer and he claimed that that water mountain as such, a sort of reservoir, it causes a movement, and it is opposite to the axle rotation of the earth.

And because of that, in the distant future then, the earth will start to rotate more slowly.’

Rotate more slowly.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, he explains it like that.’

And do you know what happened during the millions of years which have passed?

Can the earth go back, if you are evolving?

Can you go back if you are evolving from the jungle to the white race (see article ‘There are no races’ on rulof.org)?

The earth crawled back with a time of ten million, a hundred million, a thousand million years ...

The earth is billions of years old.

And then the earth crawled back like that through the universe, now with a speed of approximately thirty, forty kilometres per second.

And gradually the earth crawled further, it traced an orbit.

An orbit around the sun, millions of years ago; do you know how long that orbit lasted, that covering, that journeying of the earth?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I haven’t a clue.’

Just have a guess.

Just go for it.

Try to influence it.

(People talk at the same time.)

Seven years.

And before, before that, seven thousand years.

I tell you, from the jungle we come to the white race (see article ‘There are no races’ on rulof.org), and that is all exactly the same for the universe.

After all, the earth had no consciousness.

The earth revolves according to how much consciousness the earth has.

Her feeling, her growth, her driving force, her source, that got speed, you too, you got space, you can think, by means of your feeling.

If you go back to psychopathy, insanity, you go back to the jungle inhabitant, Eskimos, other peoples, lower grades for body and spirit (see article ‘Human being or soul’ on rulof.org), then they think more slowly than you.

Their life is slower.

And the planet gradually revolved as Mother Earth still did not possess that consciousness.

And now can ...

Have you now already seen something in creation going back?

So that academic is wrong, because the earth gets a faster awakening, a faster pace, instead of going back.

The more the sun ...

The sun is only at half strength, a quarter consciousness out of the hundred.

So the sun first possesses twenty-five percent strength in consciousness, this light becomes more rarefied.

And the earth gets more consciousness, so the earth will go faster in a million years’ time.

And the highest consciousness as speed, as orbit, which must be traced around the sun, can now already be sensed and can be calculated cosmically.

Now already.

So well, that the human being knows, that you can calculate cosmically how long a birth will take, the time is also connected to that, the life span, that can all be seen.

And then they become sixty-two kilometres per second, and then we go to the seventy, we fly so fast then through the universe, because the sun gives the earth that inspiration.

That goes precisely against it.

And the academics, the astronomers still do not know it.

Is that clear?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, master.’

This cannot go back; this goes forward.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, I read ‘The Cycle of the Soul’ again ...’

Again.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Did you have an argument with me?

(Lady in the hall): ‘No, I thought it was great to read.

But then so many questions come.

But one of the questions which concerned me there, again and again ...

It says there that the hells will finally dissolve.’

Everything will dissolve.

(Lady in the hall): ‘That we will become perfect.’

Yes.

(Lady in the hall): ‘That we must work in order to achieve that perfection.’

That is true.

(Lady in the hall): ‘But if we are perfect now, what kind of work will there still be then for us?’

If you live in the first sphere, in the harmony, and in the justice, as mother, what did you think you would be there now?

What are you on the other side, in the conscious world?

What are you there?

If you are in harmony with all the life, what do you do then?

What do you do here on earth?

What does that mean?

(Lady in the hall): ‘ ...karma ...’

This is not karma.

If you live here on earth in society, live, live, live, live, if you do not do anything, you will not experience anything either.

If you are a mother, you give birth to a child; that is the most wonderful thing which there is.

But everything which you learn in society has no meaning, because you are still not a part of the life, you are standing next to it.

So on the other side you are in everything: the food for a tree, the blood circulation for a flower, the light for the universe, the power in order to go, in order to keep everything revolving, driving, working.

You are even, you are part of the storm in your universe and the rain which falls.

Nice?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.

But I am not satisfied with that.’

Are you still not satisfied then?

(There is warm laughter.)

You cannot be any more than that.

You are a temple of wisdom.

If you enter, if I enter your temple, and you are part of that wisdom ...

Every academic, every cosmic conscious being is a part of a temple.

If I represent the cosmos, I have conquered that cosmos, then I am part of the cosmic temple in the third, in the fourth, in the fifth sphere, in the sphere in which I live.

And then you enter and then you step on my wisdom, you stand on my soul then.

But I take care of you by means of my love and my wisdom.

Do you want to be even more than that?

(Lady in the hall): ‘I meant by that that I ... to be satisfied, because I will find it great if I meet you there.

But I mean: what must we do then?

Is there another world then in order to make amends again?’

You do not need to do anything more, you only just have to live.

If you could not understand this life on earth, if there is harmony, and then you have the happiness, if you are man and wife, and you understand that you only just have to live, and in the good, in harmony, in justice, in addition to this in love.

They now become the lectures in The Hague.

Then you are spiritually ready.

And then you carry the space, the sphere in which you live, you represent the people, millions of people, but before everything the life of God.

Isn’t it simple?

Life is simple.

If we do wrong things now ...

Can you feel this?

You can experience everything in society; if you touch the life, that is spiritual possession, or you will never ever get possession.

But life can give you that.

And if you are a mother and you have given birth to children, then you have reached the highest which you can reach on earth for your progress, for reincarnation, for yourself, for the cosmos, for the Spheres of Light, for fatherhood and motherhood.

Nice?

(Master Zelanus comes back to the ‘Cycle of the Soul’): Did you go with me into the ground, into the corpse?

Did you not tremble?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Really badly.’

It was bad, yes.

I can still feel the animals, the worms.

(To the hall): Did you have anything else?

It is beautiful and wonderful to look back on that.

But do not commit suicide.

We committed suicide only in order to know how the kiss tastes ‘beyond the coffin’, in Egypt.

We loved, and we knew the material love; and now we wanted to know whether the spiritual kiss was real, and then we committed suicide.

And we could remain lying there for sixty years.

Also first rotting again, rotting.

And by means of that you get wisdom.

But just do not do it.

(To the hall): Did you have anything else?

Yes.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, in part two of ‘The Origin of the Universe’ it says that people on earth experience the wonder of creation again.

Now I wondered: does that not happen on the second cosmic grade then?’

On the earth it is conscious.

On the second cosmic grade it is unconscious.

Does a cow understand, and a horse, that it creates?

It feels it.

But is that human spatial consciousness?

Do you see?

It should say that too; but you must feel that yourself.

So the jungle gives birth and creates, yes, and also already knows that souls will come; that is what it is about.

But the growing of the life of feeling, that is everything.

That takes you to the rebirth, to the reincarnation.

(To the hall): Which one of you?

Yes.

(Lady in the hall): ‘In the spheres of light, can Christ be seen there?’

If you truly touch the life, you can see and experience the Christ in every sphere, also on earth.

Yes?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Personally?’

Personally?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.’

You can always see Him.

We always see him.

He can be seen everywhere.

If you touch the life – there it is again – if you are part of a life and you touch spiritual reality, then you stand before the image of the Messiah, and you see an image of Him as human being, as sphere, as spirit.

And that is then spiritual consciousness, human spiritual consciousness; you can see Him cosmically, and you can experience Him divinely.

Can you feel this?

So if wonders happen, and you want to approach the Christ, see Him, then you rise out above the human, you get contact with the spiritual, that becomes spatial, and now it is possible that you send on your feelings and powers to the Divine All.

There it is received by millions of Christs and sent on to the true.

That can be, that is possible.

You can experience that every day.

(To the hall): Did you have anything else?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Someone who cannot come to these lectures, who reads all your books ...

She asked me whether I wanted to ask ...

She is very grateful for that in her evening prayers.

Now she wants to know whether you receive those grateful feelings?’

No.

(Lady in the hall): ‘I said: master Zelanus will say: ‘Do not thank me, but thank God for that.’

There you are.

I want nothing to do with your thanks.

You can get grateful feelings.

The people are praying by means of the books.

Thousands and thousands and thousands pray and thank, it is wonderful, but take those thanks, that feeling to your own personality and chase your character traits to the harmony, ‘beyond the coffin’.

Do you see?

I see those thanks, of course.

Because when I have the time and I go to my sphere and I look at my house, my dwelling and my space, then there are always new flowers again; they are those characters, those thoughts.

New flowers keep coming, new flowers, fruits.

Do you see?

That is God, that is Christ, that is the space.

Do something, bring the life to awakening, inspire it, and you will cultivate your life garden.

Every character trait, a good deed, is an orchid.

And how many orchids do you cultivate in the life?

I received many orchids alone only by being able to write the books for the masters.

And I earned that.

And there were also millions ready, but I was just ahead of them.

Or by means of their own study they had ...

Do you see: no mercy.

But by having experienced, followed their life in the temples, they prepared themselves for a task, to elevate the masses, to convince the human being, until ...

Five hundred million questions are now asked.

You are still not even at the thousandth question in all those years.

But before you get that task, you are asked five million questions, ten million, billions of questions, and at the same moment you must have the answer; you cannot, you are not allowed to wait two seconds with that.

But now we are that far that the masters can ask what they want, and you can ask here what you want – that question was very deep there – and then you will feel, he has not finished talking and the law already speaks in me.

And that is cosmic being one; and they are orchids.

And then you can say: that man is talking nonsense, that man is talking, but an earthly being is not capable of answering that question and a few others.

You are already getting cosmic questions here.

I think it is very good.

(To the hall): Did you have anything else?

(It remains quiet.)

You are very lazy this evening with asking questions.

There at the back.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Do we know in this life ...

Can we dissolve our karma in this life, and do we therefore know whether that is the case?’

You do not know that.

Yes, for thousands of feelings you can know whether your karma has dissolved.

When you marry ...

In marriage the human karma reveals itself the quickest.

If someone dies, then the human being says: I am pleased that I am rid of that life, because now I am done with that tyrannizing.

Isn’t it true?

There are a thousand possibilities and feelings.

And then one says ‘He is gone’, or ‘She has gone.’

And then you are free for one karma.

And for thousands of other karmas ...

You have them in your hands, because, in what state do you live?

What is your consciousness like?

Do you have suffering, do you have misery?

It is your own fault, because the deepest karma is the unconscious of the personality, and now you suffer and you have sorrow about everything; which is not there, however.

When a human being enriches himself by means of life wisdom, every karma dissolves.

That the human being has grief ...

God did not create any grief, there is no grief, that is only human possession.

There is no grief for the universe.

In the universe, there is no grief, no suffering.

There are no diseases in the universe.

And then you should go and look over the earth sometime at the people, and then you should establish how much suffering and sorrow there is on earth; and that was not created by God.

And now you get the sorrow for your character, the sorrow for your spirit, and the sorrow for your personality.

And that is not always karma, but that is ultimately the unconscious of your thinking, your acting, your experiencing.

Is that clear?

Is that clear?

That is everything.

On the other side you do not need to ask: my God, why did you send me there and there?

You send yourself there.

You take yourself through this society.

If you come across trouble, accept it; then you are not free from disharmony.

Or you would not be able to come across any trouble, any destruction.

Is that clear?

Those are the laws.

(To the hall): Is there anything else?

Yes.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, you say at all your lectures that if we are not sincere and want to take part in insincerity and theft, then we destroy ourselves and then we are ripe for the hell, the hells.’

You are darkening yourself.

(Lady in the hall): ‘But now ...

I often come to stand before incidents in my life, that I think: how will master Zelanus judge that now, if was standing next to me?

For example, suppose that people know something, something very bad.

And people know that if people are sincere, and people say something, that that life, or those two lives, let’s say of a man and wife, will perish, be destroyed.’

If you say it.

(Lady in the hall): ‘If I say something.

But if I was to say nothing now ...’

Then nothing will happen.

(Lady in the hall): ‘But then I am not sincere, am I?’

Why not?

Why would you interfere with destruction?

(Lady in the hall): ‘No, but if they then start to ask me questions?’

Then you still do not say anything.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Oh.’

If you meet the Christ, and He is asked: ‘Christ, You know everything.

You saw that I was stolen from there.

Would You like to tell me so that I can get my money back?’

Then He will say: ‘You must take better care of your possession.

I will not interfere with theft.’

If you, if we were to see someone who commits a murder, then a spiritual being is no use to you; even if that life is standing there and he sees everything, he sees nothing.

In the spheres you will never see ...

Do you wish to awaken spiritually?

In the spheres – you already live in the spheres – you never ever see hatred, or deception, or harshness, or disharmony.

We, if you see that, you are it again.

So ...

And then, if you were to say something, then it becomes betrayal quite simply.

So you just say nothing.

Even if they kill each other.

A new life will come anyway.

But you say nothing.

If you can protect a human being ...

You do not interfere with destruction, let the human being be the human being, you do nothing which takes you to lower thinking and feeling.

That is the possession of the first sphere.

And if you are in there, then you are calm, if you are ready, you are in harmony with everything, and nothing can happen to you, nothing, nothing, nothing.

You do not interfere in destruction, or in disharmony; you continue to see the good in the human being.

Now just go through society again, and then you should see: how much of that do we have?

How much does the human being have of spiritually being one, spiritual justice, spiritual harmony?

Each human being ...

Do you see?

Now you can immediately read the books ‘A View into the Hereafter’, which give you an idea: in which sphere are you?

If you snarl, you snap, you destroy, you only look for it for yourself, not for the life, not for the spirit, not for the soul, then you are also just so much.

Phhh, go, go.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, may I also ask you something?’

Yes, indeed.

(Lady in the hall): ‘It is about ...

I mean, I ask you this ...’

Yes

(Lady in the hall): ‘ ...ultimately also my fault.

Yesterday evening I got a letter and it caused me a great deal of pain.

There was a ...(inaudible) which I do not deserve.

My first impulse was to write down how things were.

But then I knew that I was cleansed, but that that person would be destroyed then.

But that is ...(inaudible) the consideration that it was not like that.’

You do not need to do it.

If I give you an example ...

You tell about your own life.

Only mud, dredge, devastation and destruction go over André’s head.

Do we oppose that?

No, we remain love, we remain harmony.

We are attacked by society, unconscious mankind.

If mankind knew what you got and what we represent, we would have the whole of mankind at our feet.

But mankind is still not that far.

No, we get dredge, destruction, gossip and nonsense over our heads.

Do we oppose that?

Do you hear that from us?

If André was to do that, then he would stand still.

He cannot do that.

It means nothing to us.

And if we had to warn a human being for that and that and that, you would be able to do it for the good.

But if it takes you to the destruction, for that human being too and for other people, then stay away from that.

Then you will have peace, always peace.

Just go into something, just interfere in something which has no light, no truth, no love, and you will irrevocably be saddled with trouble.

We do not interfere in anything.

I told you recently, and those are the laws: give me, or give André your government in his hands, give us a task so that we can decide about millions of people, and we will say: no.

We do not want anything to do with lies or deception.

Yes, if we can do that as we want that; and then, I also told you that again, then you can send your cannons away.

We will do something else with that gold; even if Stalin comes tomorrow.

Do you see?

Then you get very different laws, because then we will act from cosmic consciousness.

And then we elevate other lives.

Now your gold is thrown about.

There will be no spiritual beginning.

Your queen is: yes, I came to this task through God.

But God has nothing to do with cannons, and with boats with cannons, and all those dirty, horrible things; that is quite simply human work.

Can you feel this?

And when you start to look at those laws, you stand ‘beyond the coffin’ anyway for your spiritual personality, and then you must leave those cannons and all that injustice, you must become free from that. You want nothing more to do with that, because you continue.

You must become free from that.

Just look at your society again.

And what is now spiritual possession?

Which task are you carrying out?

Just send the people to war, and you will be part of that war.

And if you are a king, a queen, then you must say for God: no, it is not through me that I am sending the life into war, through me the life will only be happy, and I will not destroy it.

And what happens now?

Still?

Always?

That is a beautiful task.

Wonderful task, to consciously destroy and to lay the hands on the bible.

The bible says it again.

Do you see how the bible lies?

That is the spiritual hatred of a master from the first and the second, and the third sphere, that the human being places himself in that nonsense, in that devastation, that destruction and lays God down beside him: God be with us.

You would like that.

(To the hall): Did you have anything else?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, the women in North Korea and ...(inaudible), but they do cosmically more wrong, anyway, than the man who is fighting there ...’

Exactly the same.

During the war you have known children, women, who worked for the resistance, they were decorated and they are saddled with twenty, thirty murders.

They can ...

In ten million years’ time they will still be on earth in order to make good.

But they have a medal.

Is it good now?

For whom are you fighting?

For whom do you live?

Who gives you the right to destroy a human being?

Even if he is called Adolf Hitler, even if he is called Joseph Stalin, even if it is a demon, you stay away from that life.

Anyone who attunes himself to evil, to hatred, he destroys himself.

That is cosmic wisdom and spiritual science.

God did not originate by means of the bible, but by means of His law.

Clear?

(To the hall): Who?

Who?

(Lady in the hall): ‘If the Other Side warns us about danger, a similar war, are they not also interfering with destruction then?’

When the other side warns you about danger?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.’

And then?

(Lady in the hall): ‘But are they not also interfering with destruction?

Because you just said that we must not interfere, if someone else, for example ...’

If ...

I say about that: if there is danger coming.

If you, or another human being, is walking on a wrong path, and he goes to the left and he must go to the right, and we say: go straight on, that is the path, and you do not do it, then we let you go to pieces completely.

Because you do not accept it, for that matter.

Now just go into darkness; you will learn it then.

In ten minutes’ time or in two years’ time you will suddenly know it.

And otherwise it will take your whole life and you will not learn it.

Then we give you the advice: first the good path.

That is the path, not that one, not that one either.

This one.

Just go.

And if you surrender, if you have feeling, nothing will happen.

If you do want this, then you will go to pieces.

After all, you cannot be reached, can you?

It is very simple and very easy for us on the other side, we say: that is the word, that is the path.

If you do not do it, if you still do not want it, then we dissolve completely.

We do not stand, the master does not stand next to you begging: will you please accept this from me, because it is wisdom.

This is why we also say: it is up to you what you do with the books.

‘Beyond the coffin’ you will stand in that reality and then you must prove who you are, what you feel, what you want.

Forcing?

No, God does not do that either.

We got the life, we got the thinking, we got the feeling, in order to explore, to absorb, to represent that space, that space in which we live.

What do we want now?

I tell you: everything which society gives you, is a side issue, is off the mark; the life has meaning now.

If you do good, if you are benevolent, if you are true – do you see, now you get to see the beautiful, such as nature created, the sun came, the universe came – nothing happens, you are always assured of your good path.

Life is simple.

But the human being always looks for the wrong, because the human being ...

And now, now thousands of things come too, for example: every human being yearns for happiness, isn’t it true?

And now you have not yet earned that happiness inwardly, and you are searching for it, you want to possess it and now you start to search, search, search, search, and then you go to pieces once more, because you want to finish this life.

And if you receive a divine gift, that is an orchid from your own sphere, and then you can accept that.

That can be Egyptian, that can be eastern, that can be western.

Everything which you take to love, is a life orchid.

Yes?

Do you not want that?

(To the hall): Is there anything else?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, may I come back for a moment to ‘The Origin of the Universe’?

I think I understood that on the third cosmic grade the whole creation plan repeats itself, that means the origin of creation, of the embryonic stage, via the fish stage, to the adult stage of the human being.’

That is true.

(Lady in the hall): ‘So you do not have that on the transition planets and on the second cosmic grade?’

The same everywhere.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Always the embryonic stage?’

Always.

(Lady in the hall): ‘So in the water too?’

If you experience the sixth cosmic grade, then you will say, then you are already divine, paternal, father and mother; then you must still be one in order to give the soul a body, in order to reach the seventh cosmic grade.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes.’

And you are again, at the beginning of that creation you are always embryonic again.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, you have that now.

You see that with motherhood, with the cell ...’

You are still that now.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, that is precisely the maternal body, which ... that stage ...’

Then it was the earth in which you lived as embryo, and now you live in the earth of the mother.

The earth was the maternal source, and that source is now in the mother.

Is that not the same thing?

Only, it was then the maternal earth independence and it is now the human independence, as possession.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, but I only understood it like that, that only on the earth, that there again that whole ...’

You must not continue now.

I explained it to you now, and now you are starting to think.

And that’s it.

And that is the same thing for all the planets.

And now no other thoughts to add to it: this is it.

Have you established this now?

Because you are making new sentences, you are starting to walk new detours, and they are not there, I can feel, I can hear, and you must not do that.

Then I will go away.

Because I will not go along with those worlds which you are going to search for, because they do not exist.

You now remain with this.

You hold onto this, you stay with this, you read ‘The Origin of the Universe’ again, you also take ‘The Peoples of the Earth’, and it will lie open to you.

Every insect ...

You ...

And then also this – then you should know it – millions of years ago every planet and every life of feeling began as material, as embryonic life, as an independence.

I say exactly the same again.

Can you feel this?

But that was prehistoric, and pre-creation, and this is the present stage.

And now the people connect the first beginning of creation too much with the present now.

And you do that too.

You must not do that.

You are now in the now, the Divine All in order to give birth lives in you, and you got that on earth because you began here on earth embryonically.

Mother Earth gave it to you.

You therefore carry as a being ...

You got an expansion and a growth, because you got so much feeling of the astral Mother Earth as spirit.

And then the material life began.

Can you feel this?

So you actually got your spiritual independence for the earth, because – and that is simple – Mother Earth as source divided herself for our lives, such as God did it in the infinite.

Is it clear now?

Now you have three different possibilities.

(To the hall): Did you have anything else?

Yes.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, if we see the outside world through our eyes, where does that reach consciousness now?

Our medical science says, in the brain, but I thought in the centre of feeling.’

If you see the world through your eyes ...

You see space here; and what do you see now?

What kind of space is that?

What kind of working is that?

The academic says ...

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘That reaches consciousness in the brain.’

No, that comes from the solar plexus.

And the solar plexus is your grade of feeling.

And now we have a conscious grade of feeling and an unconscious one.

The subconscious one is the subconscious.

But ...

So we have the inner consciousness and inner subconscious, and we have day consciousness.

So now that is still possible.

I am speaking, thinking here, the brain has already dealt with it, but from that source I send my thoughts through my body, and then those clockworks, those tissues come to vibration.

And now the brain is only there in order to be able to receive the feeling.

André explained it to his people in The Hague, or you would hear nothing else this evening but ho hoboble bla, or it would be barking and bumping.

So a dog and an animal, and another life does not have spiritual human concentration or the life of feeling.

Because before, in the jungle, the human being barked too.

And as the consciousness came, the concentration came, the brain was able to adapt itself to the life of feeling.

Everything therefore comes from the life of feeling to material growth.

And where did we learn that?

This is now the voice, this is the speaking.

But what is creation now?

What is a flower?

You can, and this is truth, you can immediately connect this with the All-Source, with the origin of the universe, and also for every gift.

If you do not feel the gift, the personality stands still.

The All-Source began to reach sending out, growth, from the life of feeling, and after millions of years this space was filled by hazes.

Do you see?

Growth.

And so now ... are ...

They were also ... That is also life of feeling and brains, that is the material space now for the universe; and here, those little things under the crown of the skull, restrict your life of feeling, or you would burst only by thinking.

Do you see?

You see and you hear how often science is off the mark.

And this must be the case, and this is it too, because this can be accepted very naturally, and this is it.

Because everything which the doctor now still says, the astronomer, and whatever, contradicts itself, that becomes stuck; that has no growth, has no evolution.

Do you understand this?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

Thank you.

You are asking good questions this evening.

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, is it then the case, the quicker you think, the more you have in feeling?’

Just take it slowly, child. (There is laughter in the hall.)

And just take it easy, and just do not think too quickly, because quick costs you your spiritual neck.

You think quickly, quickly, quickly.

What is thinking quickly?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Yes, you were talking about that a while ago ...’

Thinking quickly: yes.

Thinking quickly is consciousness.

Now you went quickly ...

You went ...

The first word which passed your lips, was already for me: just do not think too quickly, because it will cost you your spiritual personality.

Because quick does not exist in the cosmos.

You can experience the law, and no more than that.

And now you can suddenly see that, and you can also take a thousand years for that.

And what does this mean, if you cannot do that at once?

What is at once, what is quick?

What is that?

Where is this going?

Where does this take you?

I think quickly, you know that.

If you ask the question, I already have the answer.

What is that?

Because we are one with your law.

You represent a law, you materialize something, and that goes ...

I am now one with everything.

When I come here in the evening in order to speak, I am completely one with the universe.

And now you must try it sometime, then I will give you the proof.

Then you must, all together, then you must each draft a question, and then I will answer them quickly.

I will not go through the universe with your questions, but I will say the answer completely directly.

And then you can go where you like, everything, I will immediately be connected with your question.

That is being one.

They once tried it with André, and then they did not get him either, because we were standing behind him.

This becomes cosmic spatial being one for feeling and thinking.

And then you can speak about insanity, psychopathy, getting children, attracting, karma, murder, manslaughter, thinking; you can admire everything, everything, everything, everything which has life and spirit.

Technical wonders mean nothing to us.

For the universe, for the planets, for Jupiter, for Saturn, for the sun and the stars, and the fourth, the fifth, the sixth and the seventh cosmic grade; the All-word comes there.

Yes?

They are also orchids.

Is it not true?

But do not do it quickly; just experience it.

Quickness does not exist in the universe.

You become growth.

And fast and quick, as the sun sends out the light, it happens like that.

Is life not becoming beautiful?

This becomes the possession of the human being, of every being.

Thank you for your question.

(To the hall): Is there anything else?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘May I ask you something?’

Yes.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I am here for the first time this evening, but I find it extremely difficult to be able to sense that life has progress.’

That life ...?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘That life continues immediately after here, after ...(inaudible).’

How can you sense that?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

That is not so simple, my friend.

Are you here for the first time this evening?

Have you not read any books yet?

Would you like some advice then?

Are you interested in life, in wisdom?

We have already been giving lectures here for four, five years – how long have we been here?

There are people here who have experienced some five, six hundred lectures and have read nineteen, twenty books.

So you must first begin with the books.

And then I can ... you, as you come further ...

You will feel, if I answer questions there, then that was a cosmic academic just now.

He could be a professor who nods yes.

He understands it, he knows it, because that life has read those books.

So if you can later accept, when you have finished that, and say: yes, this must be it, then we will continue.

It will be no use to you before that.

I do not intend to talk my full to you about laws and grades and cosmos, and hells and heavens; you will read first, and then you will come to me.

We wrote those books for that purpose.

Is that true?

Thank you.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘May I ask a question?’

Yes.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I am also here for the first time this evening.’

Yes.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I want to ask you a very simple question.

You just said ...(inaudible) with murder weapons and ...(inaudible) love ...

I am then a father of a family, but I am partly responsible for the deeds of a boy of mine, my son, I think.’

No.

If he, if you ...

Look, then you must see it like this.

Now I will first ask you a question.

Do you accept that God is love in everything?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes.’

And that we may not kill?

For what purpose were the ten commandments created?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, I believe that too.’

So ...

There you are.

And that core ...

Your queen, your peoples of the earth ...

You say ...

You have the ten commandments here, ‘Thou shalt not kill’ – that is religious, isn’t it? – you pay no attention to those ten commandments, and now the world, mankind crashes ...

If you are attacked, then you shoot back, don’t you?

That is wrong.

Is this wrong?

Now you must first get those mistakes out of that.

So you have the command by God, you can accept that: ‘Thou shalt not kill.’

And people kill anyway.

People even explain it away.

If there is war, people explain it away.

You accept and have to accept that, otherwise I cannot continue, can I?

Otherwise I cannot continue.

Now comes the bit which it also concerns.

Now you are father of your child and you say: ‘Yes, my boy, you must do that.

You have your duty.

And we must defend our country.’

Then you also only just have your country.

No more than that.

You have no God, but you have only your land.

You have hatred, devastation and destruction, and you know what else there comes too, but you only just have a piece of land.

God and Christ, the ten commandments, they now fall away.

You only just have the consciousness in order to be able to defend yourself, no more than that.

Whether that is right or wrong?

But it is no more than that.

Is that true?

That does not exist.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I cannot understand it at all.’

No, but I will continue.

I must first lay those foundations for you and for me, otherwise I cannot talk.

So you must first see the law for God and the human being and Christ too as open, if you now want to be able to go further and to analyse what your child is for you.

So first I ask you: if you accept that God, that the law of God – whether the bible says that, or Moses received that, that does not matter – that the divine law says: ‘Thou shalt not kill.’

Do you accept that?

That is the first divine spatial foundation.

If that is not there and you say: well, I do not know that, then I will stop immediately, because then we will not come any further.

The human being must determine that for himself.

That is your possession.

Now we will continue.

If you now send your child into that chaos, then you take your child – you have to accept that – from dry land into the ditch of your own accord.

But your child has the full responsibility.

Can you feel this?

And now you have, that you ... your child, that life of God ...

That is not your child, that is the life of God; you will see that later, because you lived millions of times on earth.

You were part of it in France, and we were part of all the peoples.

So we have millions of children.

And there are no children in the cosmos, there is only adult consciousness.

That is the human being.

A child grows up and a child gets exactly the same task as the adult being, that child becomes father and mother.

Do you see?

Then that being a child dissolves.

So you do not have to do with a child, but with the life.

And that is now the law.

And that law takes you from dry land into the ditch?

On the contrary, from the light to the darkness, because it stands for murder, destruction.

But now we come to the laws.

Then the law says: anyone who violates the life – we had to accept that – he possesses the full responsibility for that destruction, that murder.

You are part of that darkness – that is darkness, that is disharmony; you must return to the earth for that purpose, you must make amends – you were part of that, only in thoughts, because you sent that human being, there is it again, you sent that human being, that life, to the left, and that should have been to the right.

But the earth does not know that, mankind does not know that, and in this way one person builds up the destruction of the other.

And now something else, and then you will understand it: now I become a general, I climb up, and I get that and that task, and those boys are issued orders by the higher consciousness, that is the general, that is the order, and says: you will go!

And now the general is also attached to those boys, for so many murders which occurred.

They will have to make amends with each other.

Something else.

I was asked a question a while ago: someone is in an aeroplane with five people, and the pilot says: I will do that, and the bomb falls.

Who has the responsibility now?

They go one way.

Do you see?

Do those people who also have attunement to violence, to devastation, to death, to destruction, do they also have to do with that pilot?

That pilot now has the controls in his hands in order to kill, so he gets to experience and to make amends for the full hundred percent.

And the other people ...

Now you just climb up, you issue orders, your word is law, those boys, even if you have ten million of them, whom you sent to war, must, if they kill, make amends to that life.

But you go along, you now belong to that attunement.

And you will not be released from each other, until you have freed, brought your fault – it is mitigating, of course - into harmony with the universe, with the divine creations.

And then you will be rid, and then your child will be rid of that dark, obscure deed again.

Do you understand it?

Do you see?

That’s it.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘You understand what I am referring to.’

Yes.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘We live at the moment in a time when crazy things can happen.’

Anything could happen.

And if you come to stand before that situation, then you just have to surrender; because Christ also did it.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Fine, that means that we must then accept the consequences.’

Yes.

If you accept these consequences ...

If you attune yourself to that deed, that task, that situation, then you have to accept that.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Then that means, doesn’t it, ...(inaudible) to tell that boy exactly what I mean.

If he still goes anyway ...’

Then you are free.

That is very understandable.

If you say ...

If you accept ...

If you bring the God in you to awakening, then you do not need to damn, to fragment your God because of another, can you feel this, you will feel what it means.

If you say that, that is everything, even if it costs suffering and sorrow, even if it is your blood, or whatever.

But if your queen could say, under my hand and my government no child of mine will die, then she would do a divine task, then she would have divine power, and then wonders would occur through this human being.

But now God cannot do anything, because your queen has chosen the lower, the destruction, the self-chastisement, the self-defence; and – you will read ‘The Peoples of the Earth’ sometime – no people on earth has yet reached consciousness who really accepted all the life of God.

Because the human being is always ready for himself again and shoots – they are murder weapons – and now God cannot do anything.

When do divine wonders now happen for a people, for the individual, isn’t it true?

You saw the children who entered the lion’s den, you saw great personalities amongst mankind who devoted themselves for Christ, for God, for the love, and then wonders happened.

But did you think that God would intervene and would help a people who want to defend themselves by means of armed violence?

Now we are powerless, and no divine contacts can occur.

And then you should read sometime what the bible says: just take that out of there and immediately throw it overboard.

You should hear what your ministers say, your clergymen.

No, the Catholic Church, the pope now even blesses cannons in order to kill the human being, the life of God.

That is a damned person.

Does that go that far?

No, this is so true.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘That’s it.’

Do you know it?

And will you start to read?

Then you will get those gifts.

(To the hall): Did you have anything else?

Did you have another question?

(Gentleman in the hall says something.)

Thank you.

Read ‘The Peoples of the Earth’ above all.

We have laid aside in that the beginning of creation, and the divine word as it were.

That was never materialized.

God said in the beginning – that is the universe, that is the creation; that is the All-Mother, the All-Life, the All-Light, the All-Spirit – he said: ‘Children, go forth and multiply, and be love.’

They are words, but they are therefore laws.

And you learn them by means of the origin of creation.

We originated, creation began from the All-Source.

And then we immediately go through to the hells.

You will see what the hells are like.

They are not hells, they are worlds, they are still unconscious.

Can you feel this?

And now we gradually come to the light, an explanation of this.

You get to experience the word with Moses through ‘The Peoples of the Earth’, and from the bible of Moses I take you like that straight to Golgotha and we stand before Christ.

And then we go through Napoleon, through Adolf Hitler, to this time, and that is in the book, you will no longer get a holocaust.

That was already established in 1929.

Will you read that?

Will you read that book?

(Gentleman in the hall says something.)

I am asking you whether you want to read those ‘Peoples of the Earth’, both of you.

Then you will get a wonderful consciousness, and then you act for yourself.

You must begin with that, with that book; that will give you space, cosmic space.

This is why I say: we get to see the bible, you get to see the hells, you get to see the heavens, you get to see the All-Source, and then you will experience this situation one day.

And then you will see your queen one day, and the human being will experience one day; and then you can see what the human being actually possesses by means of his task.

Because now a task is becoming dangerous.

And who do you have now ...

Do you represent God by means of your task?

Yes, the human being would like that.

But that must be earned spiritually spatially.

Is this harsh?

Is this foolishness?

Is this nonsense which I am giving you?

This is spiritual divine knowledge.

The bible undergoes thousands of untruths.

And that is not God’s word.

Do you believe me?

We have the first five books of the new bible ready.

The new bible.

And it begins with the origin of the moon and the sun, the new bible begins there.

And where the bible begins, then creation was already million, millions, millions of ages old.

Nonsense.

I thank you for your question.

(Gentleman in the hall says something.)

Yes.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘The last time, then you were talking about the Russian threat, and Stalin, and the yellow danger, then you said in passing – I notice that – you said: you must defend yourself, of course, you said that.’

Should you do that?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Of course, you must defend yourself, you said so during the conversation, so.’

(Hall): ‘No.’

Look, if you, if your mankind, if your people give me the right and the word in my hands this evening, this evening, then you will have peace and quiet tomorrow.

You will no longer pay any tax; yes, five cents, and every year you will also get something back from those five cents, because I want to earn something with that.

And do you know how much I will still have from those millions which we have now, and when we start to work with that?

Then you will also get interest paid from those five cents.

So much will remain of that, because there is so much food and drink.

And what will you do with that?

You will never get possession, because it is thrown away, hurled away for animal-like carry-on.

And that will all dissolve.

Yes, indeed.

Now ...

This word come from a sphere which is harmony, just, loving, which possesses everything, doesn’t it, quiet, peace, and the spiritual deity for the human being.

That means, spiritually experiencing, thinking and feeling, and radiating on, radiating the word, and acting according to those laws.

We treat everything spiritually-scientifically, divinely.

Is that the case?

Now I must go back and accept the consciousness as mankind now is.

And then you will need those cannons.

Do you see?

Then you must defend yourself.

Then you must ...

But that ‘must’, that word is already too much, is once again too indulgent for mankind.

You would like that, the ‘must’’ but it is not must, it is precisely not must.

You must just surrender from now on to Christ, to the ten commandments, and then to your God, then that ‘must’ will no longer be there.

Do you understand this?

So I must talk according to how I see those unconscious masses.

And then we could say sometime: yes, now you still need cannons.

But they are not necessary.

And they are necessary.

Can you hear the nonsense?

They are not necessary, but they are necessary.

And they are not necessary.

But we need them.

(There is laughter.)

And why?

Because you, not Stalin, but you do not trust God.

And you do not have any God.

That God cannot protect you.

Why not?

Because you experienced Golgotha: the Christ let himself be spat in the face, He let himself be tortured, He let himself be nailed to the cross, because He is love.

And do you wish to be protected outside of that divine pure love?

Have you already heard about that?

That does not exist.

Do you see how honest it is?

So when I speak from and out of your spiritual consciousness, then there will be no more weapons needed.

But then there will also be no more injustice, and no more hatred, no more deception, and you will have no more thieves.

Because if there is a thief walking around, then we will already fall; then God cannot protect us as a mass, if there is a thief living amongst us.

If there is one, if there are ten, if there are five living amongst us who do not possess any divine trust, then we will still fall.

In a few years’ time this will break our feeling and thinking, and we will not be able to go any further.

Can you feel this?

So the masses must now finally no longer believe, but accept God; and there will instantly be peace, quiet and love.

Then Stalin says: I now understand that those people will not do anything to me.

You say: ‘Just come.

You want us?

But no blood, and no cannons.

You can get everything you want.’

If only you had said to Hitler: Adolf, just come in.

Adolf would have got the world, and the ants and grasshoppers would have bitten him out of your country again.

He would have suffocated in his possession.

He would have lost himself in his possession.

But have you already come across that trust with your people?

Not even with four, two, ten, twenty people.

Do you see?

And now we talk to an unconscious mankind.

And we bring divine authority, divine happiness, you will read all of that in ‘The Peoples of the Earth’, a spiritual divine gift for your mankind, that book.

And that gives you prophecies.

Can you feel the truth?

Do you see?

The human being has no faith?

No, the human being has no acceptance.

That faith of now, of the people, believing in God; you must not believe in God, you must challenge God to accept your life and to acknowledge your life.

But you cannot do that.

You have no challenge.

Why not?

Because you do not see the light as truth.

We challenge God and Christ too.

We fight against Christ, and if it is necessary, if we determine a fault, then we will give Him a good shouting; harshly put.

André- and that is Jozef Rulof – he has a disease, and that he wants to cure that disease.

And he says: there is only one possibility: you will get better and I will die, because Christ said: ‘He who gives his life, will receive Mine.’

And it did not happen; that man died and he remained alive.

And then the fight came to Christ.

And he said: I thank you for your fight.

Then Christ came.

You ask: can Christ be seen?

He wanted to give his life with regard to Christ, because Christ said those words.

He says: ‘I spoke those words, but I meant them spiritually, divinely and spatially.

That means: lose yourself in Me and you will have Me; you will have light, you will have life, you will have love and you will have happiness.’

And André wanted to give it to the patient, and then Christ had to come; he went past master Alcar.

So he had put up the fight with Christ.

And then Christ came.

It was in 1938.

And Christ came.

He had to come, or, André says, I will throw all the books in the ash bucket and I will stop, if I do not get an answer to this.

And you will get an answer to that.

Do you see?

When you have truth, when you want to experience God, then you will also have to bring those lives in you to revelation, and Christ and God and all the spaces as laws will stand next to you, you will be carried.

Is that not just?

We experience that.

You can shout at God and at Christ, Christ thinks that is wonderful, He says: now do I have a human being who is really angry?

No, now there is a human being busy who wants to see the truth.

And then the truth comes.

And this is why we are here.

And you can go on like that, and continue speaking, and build up thousands of problems; every problem is now explained spiritually spatially, and then you stand before the true Christ.

Do you see?

You cannot escape this.

And that is peace here, and knowledge there.

And if you carry that into the universe, then you can receive all the life of God, outside of the bible.

Because the prehistoric human being, I told that to the people here, did not know either God or Christ, and now live in the Divine All.

They did not know God, did not know Christ, and did not know the bible.

Be happy that you do not possess the bible if you do not know it yet, and do not go into it, because the bible takes you from dry land into the ditch.

Unfortunately, the human being wrote the bible and not God; the human being.

Not directly from the spirit.

You can now say: are those books true now?

But then you must first begin with ‘Jeus of mother Crisje’.

We already touched this life as a child and brought it to the awakening.

We began ‘beyond the coffin’ with this building up, so that the world now, mankind would now receive the spiritual pure word.

You can no longer make, no longer experience, any mistakes in this spiritual science.

This becomes the kingdom of God as wisdom and as knowledge for the whole of this mankind.

This is the highest which you can experience, because now every law of life is explained to you.

We already have twenty books on earth for this purpose.

Do you see?

And for this life there was no university and no books and no bible now; this life remained away from everything.

But if you see the other side, we disembody ...

That child was nine months and then it already disembodied, just read ‘Jeus’ too.

And then the master already laid down the first law, the first foundation, for this spiritual being one with the Spheres of Light, with death, with life, with reincarnation, fatherhood, motherhood.

And then there is no more fear, no more unconsciousness, now life becomes beautiful, because now you make space from all of your thoughts.

Isn’t it true?

‘Beyond the coffin’ you live on.

This is already being ‘beyond the coffin’.

Can you feel this?

After all, that body has no meaning.

You are only human-material here; ‘beyond the coffin’, inwardly, I speak.

This material organism falls, rots away, and the spirit stands next to it and has wings.

Then read ‘The Cycle of the Soul’, anyway, you have twenty books there.

You have fourteen of them.

And then we also have a library, don’t we?

You will first begin with ‘The Peoples of the Earth.’

You can read ‘Jeus of mother Crisje’ in the meantime; then you will know, if you come here several times, then you will know by what means we can interpret this word, and then you will know consciously how we speak.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘I have read ‘Lantos’.’

Then you are ...

I am the Lantos, who is speaking now.

You say: you have still not read, and I will not go into that, it can be seen.

But if you have read ‘The Cycle of the Soul’ ...

People call me master Zelanus here, because ...

That was a later age.

But I am Lantos Dumonché.

I grew up with André, with Jeus.

I played with him as a child.

Later, when that time came, when I described that life of Lantos, that is my own life.

And now do not commit suicide either; now you know it too.

Have you also read ‘Between Life and Death’?

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘No.’

Not yet?

Only Lantos Dumonché, ‘The Cycle of the Soul’?

(The sound technician gives a signal.)

My friends, unfortunately, we must go.

Then begin with ‘The Peoples of the Earth’.

That is the book of Christ.

Then you can see ...

That means, you will get to know Christ by means of that.

He also began from the moon.

He was on earth as a human being. He lives as an animal, as a beast, and on and on.

He raped the human being prehistorically, experienced insanity, psychopathy, we all get that divine Sun to divine thinking and feeling, to the All-Consciousness.

In other words: every human being becomes a Christ, but as Christ experienced it, and as He received His life.

That is just.

(To the hall): Did you have another question?

(Lady in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus ...’

Nice, just continue.

Can you hear the reels (tapes) too?

(Lady in the hall): ‘No, not yet.’

But just continue, and do not do it suddenly.

Calmly, calmly, calmly.

Read first.

Then my speaking will be of more use to you.

Then you will understand where I want to go.

Because if you knew where a few questions come from!

They have to do with soul, spirit and universe and the All-Source, and you will not be able to follow that then, and then it will be no use to you.

Do you see?

There are also people who had ...

If all my children had come, we could already have a hundred thousand people here.

But it is becoming difficult, they want to be free one day.

And we are always thirsting.

Aren’t we, child?

(To the hall): Which of you?

Another question.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Master Zelanus, you already talked about the tonsils during one of your lectures, what the task of the tonsils was.

Now I wanted to ask you: what was the task of the appendix?’

Yes.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘It can also be removed without ...’

I will tell you briefly, then we will go into that later, because I have been warned.

But it is this: the appendix is the continuation, of what the spirit has ...

You must be able to follow that.

The appendix is the continuation, for the material, of what the spirit has in characteristics, when those characteristics mean feelers, for your higher consciousness.

Can you follow that?

(There is laughter.)

But this is everything.

This is everything.

Just write it down, and take it home with you.

And now I must explain this, but there is no longer any explanation here.

It took me half an hour then, and I also analyzed a few organs.

But this is therefore a projection, which actually has no meaning, and yet it is there.

And that takes you to material higher consciousness.

So that appendix is the beginning for your system on the fourth cosmic grade, for the organism there.

(Lady in the hall): ‘And if you do not have it now?’

You never lose the spiritual.

If you ...

You say ...

And then say: yes, you can say that.

If you do not have it, then the doctor removed that.

But if people behead you, or people take off your head, have you also lost that head on the other side?

Then you must not fool me.

(There is laughter.)

But I will take care of you again, because I really like it.

You can do everything with me, but I say, if you allow it, that I oppose it with something.

If you say, I have black, then I will lay white next to it.

And if you want to say to me, and if you want to deceive me, this is black, and you have red, then I will hit back with red, or with nothing at all. (laughter)

There must be one more question; we are still not free, I have been too close to you.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘Yes, master Zelanus, I would also like to ask you a question: human beings and animals have feelings of pain.’

Yes.

(Gentleman in the hall): ‘What is the case for plant life?’

Plant life also has feelings of pain.

All life can feel pain, understand well, depending on how much conscious feeling there is.

And the human being, all the life of God feels pain according to the consciousness.

And now the human being feels the highest pain.

So the human being feels the highest, deepest, most severe, most stabbing pain, felt as pain, as torture.

You can also torture the animal, but an animal has ...

Of course for that own world ...

Then you must ...

Only then you ask yourself: is that suffering of a dog and a cat ...

When ...

We talked about vivisection in the past.

If that doctor tortures that little animal, is that suffering and that sorrow not exactly like when the doctor is busy with you, and when he tortures you consciously?

When you have an operation, then he does that in soothing circumstances, you are under anaesthetic.

But now it becomes torture and tyranny, giving life and taking life away.

And always that absorbing in that organism.

That is a torture.

And now the animal experiences the pain, the torture, according to how much conscious the little animal has.

And now the human being has the highest consciousness.

Now you can descend, and then you can take away so much, ten percent of your own consciousness, and then you enter, then you lose your human feeling of sorrow, of suffering, of torture, and then you must go through thousands of worlds again, it is only then that the animal torture will speak to you.

It lies so far away from you.

So what is now pain for a dog and a cat?

Of course, it exists.

But how is it felt?

How is it borne?

What kind of vibrations induce that suffering?

Which vibrations?

It exists.

But it can no longer be compared with the human one.

Soon you can, at the next session, when we are here, you can ask more questions about it, but then about the human being with regard to the animal.

And then we will compare that cosmically.

Write down a few questions, and then I will prove to you what there will remain of them later.

And then I will show you it.

If the vivisection man, the doctor tortures the animal, then he will experience those tortures in the spheres as a human being; because he will stay away from that life for God.

I told you recently: never ever have respect for an academic who has received his feeling of peace, his money and possessions by means of the torture of the animal, because that is stolen honour.

There are academics ...

A doctor got the Nobel Price, André said, because of the torture of the animal; because he did not do that on his own.

But for God and the universe we say: if you want to give the human being possession, then do it by means of your own blood.

And then it will be possession.

Inject yourself, but leave the animal alone.

I thank you.

(Hall): ‘Thank you, master Zelanus.’